Re: Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
Howard wrote: > And except among >the small minority of people who had money, the renaissance didn't pass >through Europe either. Yeah right--money: "can i buy you a renaissance tonight?"--"oh yes, i'd appreciate it, i can't afford it you see.." Renaissance--Something to Buy, Something to Consume--from your local GM dealer. hehe. Renaissance did pass through europe and did serious damage to mentality defined by religious dogma with its rigid mental codes and opressive thought control. Those (religious dogma with its rigid mental codes and opressive thought control) are not damaged and are florishing in rural (majority) of the states. Also in europe, because of the renaissance, we have several precedents of rullers putting arts and culture as something of high esteem. Then the whole populatiion's aspirations can less "arnold". In america there is no precedent yet of a ruller to put arts and culture as something to be esteemed highly (well Money-yes-lol). I don't think there is Ministry of Culture there. All very very fine artists and creators there survive by their own exellence, and are brilliant. But there is a problem (to my 'taste'). The problem is that lately america dictates the 'cultural' uniformisation (death of diversity) of the world and by doing this it doesn't export all these brilliant creators but it export the biggest corporal commercial crap--authorless concoction with lots of fat, SFX, cerebreally concocted as "successful products", having nothing to do with genuine creativity, human affection or any originality whatsoever..eat McArnold(lol). Go and start the NEW AMERICAN RENAISSANCE! (we should make a bumper sticker) Its up to you:):):) it won't drop from the sky or from europe. rosinfiorini: << (rather the Medicis than Savanarola-lol). << As you may know america developed under the sign of the puritains, Howard wrote: >This is where I stopped reading, because (as I point out for the third and >last time) your premise is wrong, and therefore your conclusions don't >interest me. Of the 13 original colonies, only Massachusetts was governed >by Puritans, and nine of them... yeah, also for fifth time, i stated to you clearly several times (what you 'didn't read-lol) that i'm talking about opressed mentality, religious dogma and rigid moral codes--something to be found in all states then and in many now. I'm not talking about registered trademark "puritan" historically certified in thirteen states, etc. About your not reading the message-hehe--are you bragging about it? The most a human being can give to someone else is attention. It requires energy, it requires opennes and connection. It was a long message but i know i gave you my full attention--thats my attempt at giving impeccably as best as possible. Impeccably means for sake of it, not for expectation of any sort. Thats all i care about--the rest is not to be of my concern--so don't come and tell me: "i didn't read your message" lol, tell that to someone who cares, mommy, whoever :) -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
> >> in Russia medieval era lasted till about 1690. > > When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard? Took 'em awhile to get shaved. There was also a period of beard tax (sic!). >> And some remnants thereof to 1860. > > March 3, 1861, I would think. Thanks for clarification. Do Russians talk of a "renaissance" in > Russia? Only of post-2000 variety. There are however 2 distinct Baroques, Russian & Ukrainian. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
> I wrote: > >> Do Russians talk of a "renaissance" in >> Russia? > > By which I meant, do Russians speak of the renaissance as something that > occurred in Russia? Never. Russian mythopoeism goes only so far. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
I wrote: > Do Russians talk of a "renaissance" in > Russia? By which I meant, do Russians speak of the renaissance as something that occurred in Russia? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
Roman Turovsky wrote: > in Russia medieval era lasted till about 1690. When Peter the Great shaved off the last boyar beard? >And some remnants thereof to 1860. March 3, 1861, I would think. Do Russians talk of a "renaissance" in Russia? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
>> i'll restate my line: renaissance never >> passed through the States and this is a fact. > > Since there was almost no European population in North America during the > time known as the renaissance, this is not significant. And except among > the small minority of people who had money, the renaissance didn't pass > through Europe either. In fact, in Russia medieval era lasted till about 1690. And some remnants thereof to 1860. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: renaissance america (AustrianArnold,etc)
rosinfiorini wrote: >i'll restate my line: renaissance never > passed through the States and this is a fact. Since there was almost no European population in North America during the time known as the renaissance, this is not significant. And except among the small minority of people who had money, the renaissance didn't pass through Europe either. > Then (half in humour of course) i > speculated about what would have been America nowadays if it started off under > the sign of > the aspirations of the Italy of the renaissance For starters, I suppose every publication would be censored by the Church, as in Italy, and it would be a crime to say that the Earth revolved around the sun. > (rather the Medicis than Savanarola-lol). > As you may know america developed under the sign of the puritains, This is where I stopped reading, because (as I point out for the third and last time) your premise is wrong, and therefore your conclusions don't interest me. Of the 13 original colonies, only Massachusetts was governed by Puritans, and nine of them (Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania) had no puritan population to speak of. Most Americans, like me, are descendants of slaves, hispanic peoples absorbed in U.S. expansions, or people who immigrated in the 19th and 20th centuries, and few of them were Calvinists. HP To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
