Re: Strad's templates
I take that for a yes. You'll find three jpgs of templates and a pdf of the descriptions inside http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/mandothingies.zip Tony - Original Message - From: EUGENE BRAIG IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Strad's templates - Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:36 pm Subject: Re: Strad's templates Tell me the last syllable or two that you want and I'll post the pics and descriptions! Mandolino, mandola...they're all groovy. Thank you! Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strad's templates
Interesting (and efficient) that the template for the neck is incorporated into the pattern for the soundboard. Leonard Williams On 5/28/05 6:51 AM, Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather badly printed not very special photos of the two paper templates to:- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad389.JPG and http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad390.JPG For info - 389 - length 488 mm, width at widest point 288 mm., fingerboard 311x114x90 (mm) Writing = Musure per il manico del liuto al francesa vera de dudece ordine doppio 390 - length 487 by 280, neckblock 52 by 105, soundhole diameter 63. Writing = Forma per far il liuto alla Francese e il corpo dai alto due onze e mezza per la formatura delle corde dai de dudice ordine doppio e da li setti basse con li ottave e ancora se fano de dudice ordine de Corde and Scandello quando dai de 12 ordini le corde - Original Message - From: Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's lute-bodies were not made over a mold. The template would be used to show whether the inner-profile of the lute body is symmetrical. That every rib has the same curve and distance from the centre-line. Did Stradivari use a mold? Were all his lutes symmetrical (equal depth and width from centre-line)? Surely these points still need to be clarified? The thread seems to have gone off on a tangent into symmetry found in nature and quantum physics...completely off-topic! But then again, no-one's perfect! Best Wishes Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 15:23 To: Jon Murphy; guy_and_liz Smith; LUTELIST; Manolo Laguillo Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum Physics to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I can't apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto has documented, ones thoughts can have an influence on ones environment. Although, the Ancients have know this for eons. One can perceive a lute as symmetrical, however, after a couple bottles of wine, or beer in Jon's case, it begins to take on a non symmetrical shape, along with everything else. The exception to this rule, is found in historical lutes, which appear non symmetrical, prior to the consumption of your favorite intoxicant, then afterwards actually appears perfectly symmetrical. Concerning the lute I was speaking more about the physical shape of the belly, and not the actual sound it makes. You can apply the concept of imperfection ( Wabe Sabe) to many things, but not the conception of musical instruments. The concept is always perfect, but man's execution of it is imperfect. Sometimes I think lutes, guitars are like people. The really good looking ones (people) are rather shallow sounding, and the not so perfect ones, are more interesting to listen to. This is my second, naturally occurring law as applied to musical instruments. The first being the rule of relative perception. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Michael, I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my comment. Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It seems nature is trying. Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). Can we know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it? Yes. Perfection is a goal, even in nature. Einstein rejected Bohr's thoughts on Quanta, saying God doesn't play dice. (the quote may be aprochryphal). Bringing it back to the lute, your ear is the best tuning device. Even the paired courses have a diffence in tonality. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to perfection. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strad's templates
There is a book showing all of Stradivari's moulds, and templates, and also his tools. When I was there, all they had left, were versions in Italian, for 20 Euros. http://www.comune.cremona.it/doc_comu/mus/mus_stradivar.html Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Strad's templates Interesting (and efficient) that the template for the neck is incorporated into the pattern for the soundboard. Leonard Williams On 5/28/05 6:51 AM, Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather badly printed not very special photos of the two paper templates to:- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad389.JPG and http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad390.JPG For info - 389 - length 488 mm, width at widest point 288 mm., fingerboard 311x114x90 (mm) Writing = Musure per il manico del liuto al francesa vera de dudece ordine doppio 390 - length 487 by 280, neckblock 52 by 105, soundhole diameter 63. Writing = Forma per far il liuto alla Francese e il corpo dai alto due onze e mezza per la formatura delle corde dai de dudice ordine doppio e da li setti basse con li ottave e ancora se fano de dudice ordine de Corde and Scandello quando dai de 12 ordini le corde - Original Message - From: Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's lute-bodies were not made over a mold. The template would be used to show whether the inner-profile of the lute body is symmetrical. That every rib has the same curve and distance from the centre-line. Did Stradivari use a mold? Were all his lutes symmetrical (equal depth and width from centre-line)? Surely these points still need to be clarified? The thread seems to have gone off on a tangent into symmetry found in nature and quantum physics...completely off-topic! But then again, no-one's perfect! Best Wishes Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 15:23 To: Jon Murphy; guy_and_liz Smith; LUTELIST; Manolo Laguillo Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum Physics to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I can't apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto has documented, ones thoughts can have an influence on ones environment. Although, the Ancients have know this for eons. One can perceive a lute as symmetrical, however, after a couple bottles of wine, or beer in Jon's case, it begins to take on a non symmetrical shape, along with everything else. The exception to this rule, is found in historical lutes, which appear non symmetrical, prior to the consumption of your favorite intoxicant, then afterwards actually appears perfectly symmetrical. Concerning the lute I was speaking more about the physical shape of the belly, and not the actual sound it makes. You can apply the concept of imperfection ( Wabe Sabe) to many things, but not the conception of musical instruments. The concept is always perfect, but man's execution of it is imperfect. Sometimes I think lutes, guitars are like people. The really good looking ones (people) are rather shallow sounding, and the not so perfect ones, are more interesting to listen to. This is my second, naturally occurring law as applied to musical instruments. The first being the rule of relative perception. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Michael, I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my comment. Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It seems nature is trying. Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). Can we know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it? Yes. Perfection is a goal, even in nature. Einstein rejected Bohr's thoughts on Quanta
Strad's templates
If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather badly printed not very special photos of the two paper templates to:- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad389.JPG and http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad390.JPG For info - 389 - length 488 mm, width at widest point 288 mm., fingerboard 311x114x90 (mm) Writing = Musure per il manico del liuto al francesa vera de dudece ordine doppio 390 - length 487 by 280, neckblock 52 by 105, soundhole diameter 63. Writing = Forma per far il liuto alla Francese e il corpo dai alto due onze e mezza per la formatura delle corde dai de dudice ordine doppio e da li setti basse con li ottave e ancora se fano de dudice ordine de Corde and Scandello quando dai de 12 ordini le corde - Original Message - From: Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's lute-bodies were not made over a mold. The template would be used to show whether the inner-profile of the lute body is symmetrical. That every rib has the same curve and distance from the centre-line. Did Stradivari use a mold? Were all his lutes symmetrical (equal depth and width from centre-line)? Surely these points still need to be clarified? The thread seems to have gone off on a tangent into symmetry found in nature and quantum physics...completely off-topic! But then again, no-one's perfect! Best Wishes Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 15:23 To: Jon Murphy; guy_and_liz Smith; LUTELIST; Manolo Laguillo Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum Physics to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I can't apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto has documented, ones thoughts can have an influence on ones environment. Although, the Ancients have know this for eons. One can perceive a lute as symmetrical, however, after a couple bottles of wine, or beer in Jon's case, it begins to take on a non symmetrical shape, along with everything else. The exception to this rule, is found in historical lutes, which appear non symmetrical, prior to the consumption of your favorite intoxicant, then afterwards actually appears perfectly symmetrical. Concerning the lute I was speaking more about the physical shape of the belly, and not the actual sound it makes. You can apply the concept of imperfection ( Wabe Sabe) to many things, but not the conception of musical instruments. The concept is always perfect, but man's execution of it is imperfect. Sometimes I think lutes, guitars are like people. The really good looking ones (people) are rather shallow sounding, and the not so perfect ones, are more interesting to listen to. This is my second, naturally occurring law as applied to musical instruments. The first being the rule of relative perception. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Michael, I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my comment. Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It seems nature is trying. Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). Can we know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it? Yes. Perfection is a goal, even in nature. Einstein rejected Bohr's thoughts on Quanta, saying God doesn't play dice. (the quote may be aprochryphal). Bringing it back to the lute, your ear is the best tuning device. Even the paired courses have a diffence in tonality. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to perfection. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strad's templates
There are also a prefab bridge or 2, preserved, according to Pollens article. RT If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather badly printed not very special photos of the two paper templates to:- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad389.JPG and http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad390.JPG For info - 389 - length 488 mm, width at widest point 288 mm., fingerboard 311x114x90 (mm) Writing = Musure per il manico del liuto al francesa vera de dudece ordine doppio 390 - length 487 by 280, neckblock 52 by 105, soundhole diameter 63. Writing = Forma per far il liuto alla Francese e il corpo dai alto due onze e mezza per la formatura delle corde dai de dudice ordine doppio e da li setti basse con li ottave e ancora se fano de dudice ordine de Corde and Scandello quando dai de 12 ordini le corde - Original Message - From: Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's lute-bodies were not made over a mold. The template would be used to show whether the inner-profile of the lute body is symmetrical. That every rib has the same curve and distance from the centre-line. Did Stradivari use a mold? Were all his lutes symmetrical (equal depth and width from centre-line)? Surely these points still need to be clarified? The thread seems to have gone off on a tangent into symmetry found in nature and quantum physics...completely off-topic! But then again, no-one's perfect! Best Wishes Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 15:23 To: Jon Murphy; guy_and_liz Smith; LUTELIST; Manolo Laguillo Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum Physics to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I can't apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto has documented, ones thoughts can have an influence on ones environment. Although, the Ancients have know this for eons. One can perceive a lute as symmetrical, however, after a couple bottles of wine, or beer in Jon's case, it begins to take on a non symmetrical shape, along with everything else. The exception to this rule, is found in historical lutes, which appear non symmetrical, prior to the consumption of your favorite intoxicant, then afterwards actually appears perfectly symmetrical. Concerning the lute I was speaking more about the physical shape of the belly, and not the actual sound it makes. You can apply the concept of imperfection ( Wabe Sabe) to many things, but not the conception of musical instruments. The concept is always perfect, but man's execution of it is imperfect. Sometimes I think lutes, guitars are like people. The really good looking ones (people) are rather shallow sounding, and the not so perfect ones, are more interesting to listen to. This is my second, naturally occurring law as applied to musical instruments. The first being the rule of relative perception. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Michael, I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my comment. Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It seems nature is trying. Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). Can we know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it? Yes. Perfection is a goal, even in nature. Einstein rejected Bohr's thoughts on Quanta, saying God doesn't play dice. (the quote may be aprochryphal). Bringing it back to the lute, your ear is the best tuning device. Even the paired courses have a diffence in tonality. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to perfection. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at
Re: Strad's templates
One interesting detail on the template is the location of the rose which is off centre, leaning more to the bass side. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: Strad's templates If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather badly printed not very special photos of the two paper templates to:- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad389.JPG and http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad390.JPG For info - 389 - length 488 mm, width at widest point 288 mm., fingerboard 311x114x90 (mm) Writing = Musure per il manico del liuto al francesa vera de dudece ordine doppio 390 - length 487 by 280, neckblock 52 by 105, soundhole diameter 63. Writing = Forma per far il liuto alla Francese e il corpo dai alto due onze e mezza per la formatura delle corde dai de dudice ordine doppio e da li setti basse con li ottave e ancora se fano de dudice ordine de Corde and Scandello quando dai de 12 ordini le corde - Original Message - From: Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's lute-bodies were not made over a mold. The template would be used to show whether the inner-profile of the lute body is symmetrical. That every rib has the same curve and distance from the centre-line. Did Stradivari use a mold? Were all his lutes symmetrical (equal depth and width from centre-line)? Surely these points still need to be clarified? The thread seems to have gone off on a tangent into symmetry found in nature and quantum physics...completely off-topic! But then again, no-one's perfect! Best Wishes Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 15:23 To: Jon Murphy; guy_and_liz Smith; LUTELIST; Manolo Laguillo Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum Physics to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I can't apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto has documented, ones thoughts can have an influence on ones environment. Although, the Ancients have know this for eons. One can perceive a lute as symmetrical, however, after a couple bottles of wine, or beer in Jon's case, it begins to take on a non symmetrical shape, along with everything else. The exception to this rule, is found in historical lutes, which appear non symmetrical, prior to the consumption of your favorite intoxicant, then afterwards actually appears perfectly symmetrical. Concerning the lute I was speaking more about the physical shape of the belly, and not the actual sound it makes. You can apply the concept of imperfection ( Wabe Sabe) to many things, but not the conception of musical instruments. The concept is always perfect, but man's execution of it is imperfect. Sometimes I think lutes, guitars are like people. The really good looking ones (people) are rather shallow sounding, and the not so perfect ones, are more interesting to listen to. This is my second, naturally occurring law as applied to musical instruments. The first being the rule of relative perception. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Michael, I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my comment. Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It seems nature is trying. Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). Can we know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it? Yes. Perfection is a goal, even in nature. Einstein rejected Bohr's thoughts on Quanta, saying God doesn't play dice. (the quote may be aprochryphal). Bringing it back to the lute, your ear is the best tuning device. Even the paired courses have a diffence in tonality. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to perfection. Best, Jon
Re: Strad's templates
Item 396 is a pear wood bridge 188 mm long, and 397 is a fragment 165 mm - no pictures chez moi. There's masses of stuff for mandothingies. There are also a prefab bridge or 2, preserved, according to Pollens article. RT If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather badly printed not very special photos of the two paper templates to:- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad389.JPG and http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad390.JPG For info - 389 - length 488 mm, width at widest point 288 mm., fingerboard 311x114x90 (mm) Writing = Musure per il manico del liuto al francesa vera de dudece ordine doppio 390 - length 487 by 280, neckblock 52 by 105, soundhole diameter 63. Writing = Forma per far il liuto alla Francese e il corpo dai alto due onze e mezza per la formatura delle corde dai de dudice ordine doppio e da li setti basse con li ottave e ancora se fano de dudice ordine de Corde and Scandello quando dai de 12 ordini le corde - Original Message - From: Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: RE: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Hi Michael, Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's lute-bodies were not made over a mold. The template would be used to show whether the inner-profile of the lute body is symmetrical. That every rib has the same curve and distance from the centre-line. Did Stradivari use a mold? Were all his lutes symmetrical (equal depth and width from centre-line)? Surely these points still need to be clarified? The thread seems to have gone off on a tangent into symmetry found in nature and quantum physics...completely off-topic! But then again, no-one's perfect! Best Wishes Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 15:23 To: Jon Murphy; guy_and_liz Smith; LUTELIST; Manolo Laguillo Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum Physics to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I can't apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto has documented, ones thoughts can have an influence on ones environment. Although, the Ancients have know this for eons. One can perceive a lute as symmetrical, however, after a couple bottles of wine, or beer in Jon's case, it begins to take on a non symmetrical shape, along with everything else. The exception to this rule, is found in historical lutes, which appear non symmetrical, prior to the consumption of your favorite intoxicant, then afterwards actually appears perfectly symmetrical. Concerning the lute I was speaking more about the physical shape of the belly, and not the actual sound it makes. You can apply the concept of imperfection ( Wabe Sabe) to many things, but not the conception of musical instruments. The concept is always perfect, but man's execution of it is imperfect. Sometimes I think lutes, guitars are like people. The really good looking ones (people) are rather shallow sounding, and the not so perfect ones, are more interesting to listen to. This is my second, naturally occurring law as applied to musical instruments. The first being the rule of relative perception. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: symm/asymm perfect/imperfect Michael, I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my comment. Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It seems nature is trying. Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). Can we know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it? Yes. Perfection is a goal, even in nature. Einstein rejected Bohr's thoughts on Quanta, saying God doesn't play dice. (the quote may be aprochryphal). Bringing it back to the lute, your ear is the best tuning device. Even the paired courses have a diffence in tonality. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to perfection. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strad's templates
- Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:59 am Subject: Re: Strad's templates Item 396 is a pear wood bridge 188 mm long, and 397 is a fragment 165 mm - no pictures chez moi. There's masses of stuff for mandothingies. Hey, I love mandothingies! Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strad's templates
Tell me the last syllable or two that you want and I'll post the pics and descriptions! - Original Message - From: EUGENE BRAIG IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Strad's templates - Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:59 am Subject: Re: Strad's templates Item 396 is a pear wood bridge 188 mm long, and 397 is a fragment 165 mm - no pictures chez moi. There's masses of stuff for mandothingies. Hey, I love mandothingies! Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strad's templates
- Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:36 pm Subject: Re: Strad's templates Tell me the last syllable or two that you want and I'll post the pics and descriptions! Mandolino, mandola...they're all groovy. Thank you! Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Strad's templates
Many mandothingies are mandotory for most mandophiles (even if they don't speak Mandorin Chinese.) :) -Original Message- From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 28, 2005 12:36 PM To: EUGENE BRAIG IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Strad's templates Tell me the last syllable or two that you want and I'll post the pics and descriptions! - Original Message - From: EUGENE BRAIG IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Strad's templates - Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:59 am Subject: Re: Strad's templates Item 396 is a pear wood bridge 188 mm long, and 397 is a fragment 165 mm - no pictures chez moi. There's masses of stuff for mandothingies. Hey, I love mandothingies! Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
