Re: uh, oh . . .

[Allan Rae]

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:

> 
> As the floating eye used to say in "Hard Time on Planet Earth," 
> 
> "Negative outcome.  Not good."
> 
> The cvs version of 1.0 is SIGSEGV'ing me right and left (at least as of 
> yesterdays; i just compiled today's).
> 
> Particularly, it's going nuts within multiline equations on the last 
> and second to last lines of the document.  The incredible colllapsing 
> multiline equations are back (i think they left around pre3, didn't 
> they?, particularly triggered by an "undo."  And after this, it's 
> usually a real quick trip.  But I don't get any more message than the 
> generic, and I can't quite reproduce them.

More bad news

Try copying a BibTeX Database entry from one file to another and then run
"Update DVI" on the new buffer.  Bang.

I haven't time to investigate this at present so I've attached a gdb dump
as food for thought...  (note that owner is 0x0)

(I just checked and realized this is pre5 so I'll rebuild a new one and
see what happens but the document I'm writing needs to be done asap so
debugging will have to wait...)

Allan. (ARRae)




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texrow=@0x82a8994, foot=@0xb0b4, foot_texrow=@0xb0b8, 
foot_count=@0xb0ac) at paragraph.C:2003
#9  0x80f7b48 in Buffer::makeLaTeXFile (this=0x82a8828, filename=@0xb1a0, 
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#10 0x80fae9d in Buffer::runLaTeX (this=0x82a8828) at buffer.C:2613
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#14 0x805c2cf in MenuPreview (buffer=0x82a8828) at lyx_cb.C:774
#15 0x80a75f0 in LyXFunc::Dispatch (this=0x8231480, ac=11, 
do_not_use_this_arg=0x0) at lyxfunc.C:654
#16 0x80a59dc in LyXFunc::processKeyEvent (this=0x8231480, ev=0x400882ec)
at lyxfunc.C:319
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#21 0x40040f1c in fl_check_forms ()
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#23 0x804dd5e in LyX::LyX (this=0xb6b0, argc=0xb750, argv=0xb764)
at ../src/lyx_main.C:119
#24 0x804d94b in main (argc=1, argv=0xb764) at ../src/main.C:51
(gdb) up
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../sysdeps/posix/raise.c:27: No such file or directory.
Current language:  auto; currently c
(gdb) 
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../sysdeps/generic/abort.c:88: No such file or directory.
(gdb) 
#3  0x80556a8 in error_handler (err_sig=11) at ../src/lyx_main.C:541
541 abort();
Current language:  auto; currently c++
(gdb) 
#4  
(gdb) 
#5  0x8143206 in InsetBibtex::Latex (this=0x8284790, file=@0xb0dc)
at inset

Re: pl8: Bug: footnote inset scrambles document

[Fred Hucht]

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Fred Hucht wrote:

FH> Hi LyXers,
FH> 
FH> in the appended doc, when I insert an index entry _before_ the [foot]
FH> inset, everything is OK. When I do it _after_ the [foot] inset, the
FH> text presented in the index entry text field is scrambled. My LyX
FH> crashed recently with the cursor below the [foot] inset, this may be
FH> related to this problem.
FH> 
FH> LyX seems to get confused by the index entry inside of the footnote.

The problem is _not_ related to the index entry inside the footnote,
it also occurs when the index entry is outside the footnote.

Fred

Fred Hucht, Institute of Theoretical Physics, University of Duisburg, Germany
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE/
"Der Koerper der algebraischen Zahlen ist kein algebraischer Zahlkoerper"
(E. Landau, Zahlentheorie (1927), Satz 718)

Re: "not" end of period sentance

[Jochen Kuepper]

On Son, 31 Jan 1999 John Weiss wrote:

>What follows is only a suggestion, so take it with a grain of NaCl.
>
>After I finally grasped when LaTeX uses what sort of spacing after a
>".", the algorithm struck me as odd.  After all, it's not hard to look
>at the next non-whitespace character after a "." and see if it's
>uppercase.  If so, that "." ends a sentence.  If not, it's an
>abbreviation.

Well, that's only mostly right in english, but it's wrong in Geman way to often
to provide an reasonable default.

Greetings,
Jochen
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  Institut f"ur Physikalische Chemie I
  Universit"atsstr. 1, Geb 26.43 Raum 02.29phone ++49-211-8113681
  40225 D"usseldorffax   ++49-211-8115195
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Re: "not" end of period sentance

[Jochen Kuepper]

Sorry John,

seems I heven't read your mail very carefully :-(
Great overview, I have to admit now.

Greetings,
Jochen
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  Heinrich-Heine-Universit"at D"usseldorf   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Institut f"ur Physikalische Chemie I
  Universit"atsstr. 1, Geb 26.43 Raum 02.29phone ++49-211-8113681
  40225 D"usseldorffax   ++49-211-8115195
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Re: (1.0) bug in inseturl

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Lars> *Joacim Persson writes: | The "html type" radio button can't be
Lars> set once unset.

Lars> I think I fixed that.

No, *I* fixed that :) But after Joacim's message though.

JMarc

Re: new sv.po

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Joacim" == Joacim Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Joacim> sv.mo and sv.gmo version 1.0c at:
Joacim> http://home1.2.sbbs.se/pjp/lyx-sv.html (This is a newer
Joacim> version than the patch I sent Lars recently) Could someone
Joacim> please update the CVS for me?

I just did it.

JMarc

Re: So that I can sleep at night...

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Allan> Can someone please answer a very important question for me.
Allan> Has anybody seen any emails posted by me in the last two weeks?
Allan> I sent 3 or 4 yesterday/last night so you should still have
Allan> them in your mailboxes.

I've seen some messages from you recently, but I do not know which
ones maybe missing.. Did you try to have a look at the archive?
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/index.html

JMarc

Re: So that I can sleep at night...

[Richard E. Hawkins Esq.]

alan averred,


> Can someone please answer a very important question for me.
> Has anybody seen any emails posted by me in the last two weeks?

not that i can recall . . .

-- 

Re: Translation of Lyx to portuguese

[Carlos A M dos Santos]

On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Pedro Kroger wrote:

> My name is Pedro Kroger and I beginning a translation of the Lyx to
> portuguese (the menus comands and key binds). I hope to finish this to
> be included in the next release of this great text processor.

Quando terminar, por favor avise-me para que inclua uma referência no
Linux Portuguese-HOWTO.


Carlos A M dos Santos  Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul
estudante de mestrado Pós-Graduação em Ciência de Computação
Av. Bento Gonçalves, 9500 - Bloco IV - Prédio 43412 - Caixa Postal 15064
Telefone +55 51 316-6161 Porto Alegre, RS, Brasil, CEP 91501-970
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

label insets (+ difference to KLyX)

[Jochen Kuepper]

Hey,

I wonder why label-insets are non-editable at all in LyX ?

In KLyX they are editable, but clicking them jumps back to the place where you
came from, if you came by clicking on a reference to that label (all clear :-?).

To my mind they should just pop up the insert-label dialog with the old label
in and the user could change it.

I will try to change KLyX to provide both possible actions in a label-insets
popup menu. Right now the menu provides "jump" and "delete"

For LyX I would like to see the same :-) but at least the label should be
changeable - that means editable to pop up a inout form to change the label.
Best would be to update all references to that label, but that not necessarily
needed.

Greetings,
Jochen
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  Jochen K"upper

  Heinrich-Heine-Universit"at D"usseldorf   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Institut f"ur Physikalische Chemie I
  Universit"atsstr. 1, Geb 26.43 Raum 02.29phone ++49-211-8113681
  40225 D"usseldorffax   ++49-211-8115195
  Germany http://www-public.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~jochen
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Re: Debian bug #32299 in LyX

[Richard E. Hawkins Esq.]

weiss wondered,

> We should *really* go through the CREDITS file, contact all therein,
> and get them to consent to giving the LyX Team official permission to
> make changes to copyright as wee deem necessary, as long as such
> changes are not for commercial gain.  Rich, could you ponder a
> paragraph stating something like that?  We could then also put
> soemthing on the web page/in the source distribution asking long-lost
> contributors to get in touch with us.

i'd be happy to.  However, that trusty funny feeling in the gut is
suggesting that while deliberating the contents and phrasing, this
should be done either by direct email or on a list that isn't
world readable and archived.  Not so that we can do any funny
stuff, but so that mid-deliberation stuff doesn't get taken 
out of context.  I don't see any way that the comments could be
of later value (we can keep an archive and make extracts to show the 
reasoning), but they could create a later mess.  Or fuel unnecessary
flame wars.

> Really, this is an annoying loose end that will only grow worse.  In
> practice, anyone who contributes a patch to LyX has "veto power" on
> license, copyright, and other changes only so long as they're
> semi-active members of the develpment team.  It is assumed that anyone
> who abandons their corner of the code "bequeaths" it to the team.  In
> principle, certain GPL-fundamentalist nutcases who shall remain
> nameless [Debian] go stomping around claiming we put LyX under a
> license that makes it illegal for anyone to ever run LyX and other
> such horseshit.  To shut them up, I'd like to stuff a sock down their
> throats.  However, others on the team would prefer not to resort to
> violence. ;)  Performing the admittedly long and tedious task is our
> only alternative.

Agreed.  I figure that what we'd want in permissions is,

a) ability to switch to any license that requires keeping the source
itself free (or should bsdish be ok?  Look what netbsd got back from 
apple).

b) the core developers should be able to issue exceptions--who knows 
what licenses with odd compatibility problems will pop up in the 
future. 

c) the artistic license looked good, but i only gave it a once-thru.

d) there's also my off-the-cuff "raptor" license from a couple of 
months ago.
 
> We need to do it at some point.  Why not now, during the shakedown/bug
> reporting period of 1.0?


-- 

Re: users' list

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Mate" == Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mate> About ten days ago, I contacted Martin Konold about moving the
Mate> users' list to lists.lyx.org.  He replied, and asked me for some
Mate> stuff needed to move the list, but then he has not replied to my
Mate> subsequent messages, so the users' list is not going to be moved
Mate> to a new place.

I think you should try again. They are preparing for KDE 1.1, so I
guess Martin does not have much free time... 

Mate> This matter is quite interesting, since the users' list (and its
Mate> digest) has been ready to run on my server since September; I
Mate> just need the current subscribers' list.

Yes, that's sad, especially since we have a deadline too...

JMarc

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Martin> While leafing through book.cls (renamed to fgibook.cls,
Martin> fgibook.layout to follow) I noticed that there is so much
Martin> stuff hardwired that could be put into a variable using
Martin> \newcommand. Some stuff is user redifinable (like certain
Martin> names, or numbering achemes etc.), but most is just hardwired
Martin> or cumbersome to redefine by the user.

I think there exist classes/packages which allow to redefine many
things. A first job will probably be to find out what these
classes/packages are and whether they are suited for what we want. 

* classes: paper.cls, koma-script
* packages: fncychap.sty, secsty.sty, section.sty, caption.sty,
  caption2.sty 

There are probably many others.

Martin> And modifying a class file of course requires root
Martin> privileges. No problem for us Linuxers, but...

Does not need any root priviledge: just have the local copy somewhere
earlier in the search path. Note that it is not a good idea to have
local copies of standard document classes with the same name. In fact,
LaTeX licence prohibits from distributing such classes.

JMarc

Tomorrow is the day

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Hi there,

Just to remind you that I won't be present tomorrow and Wednesday to
see the flood of new users coming with bug reports :) I'll try to read
my mail where I'll be, but no promise...

Since it seems that there are still several bugs in 1.0.0, I think we
should be prepared to release 1.0.1 soon. That may mean that the
pending features can wait until 1.0.2.

It gonna be fun...

JMarc

LyX-PR.de

[Peter Suetterlin]

  Hi all!

as promised, I took version 1.0.2 of Martins Announcement and made a
german version of it that I intend to post to the relevant german
newsgroups once 1.0.0 is out (tomorrow??).

As some of the developers do understand german, I attach it to this
mail.  Comments welcome.

  Peter
 
-- 
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Universitaets-Sternwarte Goettingen
Tel.: +49 551 39-5048   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Ankuend.text.gz

scrlettr layout broken?

[Joacim Persson]

..at least I can't figure out how to get a LaTeX:able file from it.
It looks to me as if the problem is with the "letter" style. (Should it be
a style/environment at all?)  Maybe someone who understands German better
than I do could take a look at the docs for Koma (the english version
doesn't document the scrlettr-class :P)

Joacim
-
With both feet on the ground, you won't get very far.
-- Loesje

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Rich" == Rich Fields at 407 356 5842 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rich> This is where I fall short in using latex2e.  I was a heavy
Rich> latex2.09 user starting in the mid/late-80s and had to create
Rich> significant hacks to areas like you are discussing and
Rich> more. Unfortunately, I then became so comfortable at being able
Rich> to hack latex code that the modern era of all these new
Rich> pre-packaged, documented, structured style files passed me by,
Rich> and now I'm trying to re-learn how to use latex with these new
Rich> packages (most of which are great).

That's why I think that, if we decide to build the ultimate
configurable class, the first thing to do is ask for help on
comp.text.tex. Such a project should be a pure LaTeX project at
first. When it works, then we will be able to add support in LyX for
that.

This approach has several advantages:
- we'll work with people who know what they are doing
- I suppose that many things already exist, and we don't want to re-do
  them
- if such a package ends up in standard LaTeX places (CTAN, teTeX)
  then we'll be able to share documents with LaTeX people without
  sending a bunch of style files.

JMarc

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Rich" == Rich Fields at 407 356 5842 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>  That's why I think that, if we decide to build the ultimate
>> configurable class, the first thing to do is ask for help on
>> comp.text.tex. Such a project should be a pure LaTeX project at
>> first. When it works, then we will be able to add support in LyX
>> for that.

Rich> I agree.  :) (Whew.  I almost volunteered for something again.)

I have to add that the `we' I used was a generic `we'. I did not
intend to include me in (though I can give my usual range of useless
and rude comments) :)

JMarc

Re: users' list

[Mate Wierdl]

   > "Mate" == Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
   
   Mate> About ten days ago, I contacted Martin Konold about moving the
   Mate> users' list to lists.lyx.org.  He replied, and asked me for some
   Mate> stuff needed to move the list, but then he has not replied to my
   Mate> subsequent messages, so the users' list is not going to be moved
   Mate> to a new place.
   
   I think you should try again. They are preparing for KDE 1.1, so I
   guess Martin does not have much free time... 

Based on the past history of email and Martin, I think I should just
set up a daily cron job that would send the two relevant messages to
him.

But in fact even a daily cron job may not do: after the last message
he sent me asking for stuff, I replied within an hour, and apparently
he again got too busy in the meantime.  So an hourly cronjob perhaps
would do.

What do you think?

Mate

LinuxDoc updated documentation

[José Abílio de Oliveira Matos]

Hi,
to whom it may concern (Doc Team :-)

I send an updated version of the LinuxDoc section in Extended Guide.
This is an adpation from the original section, with some additions and
corrections. This explains how to produce manpages from LyX.

To someone with CVS access (Lars?) please change the second line from the
linuxdoc layout from
#  \DeclareSGMLClass[article]{SGML (LinuxDoc)}
to
#  \DeclareSGMLClass[article]{SGML (LinuxDoc article)}

since this best describes this textclass.

  José
--
José Abílio de Oliveira Matos
~
Will it improve my CASH FLOW?

#This file was created by  Mon Feb  1 16:38:07 1999
#LyX 1.0 (C) 1995-1999 Matthias Ettrich and the LyX Team
\lyxformat 2.15
\textclass article
\language default
\inputencoding default
\fontscheme default
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single 
\papersize Default
\paperpackage widemarginsa4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Section

Using LyX with SGML-Tools (aka LinuxDoc)
\layout Standard

by 
\noun on 
Paul Evans
\layout Subsection

Overview
\layout Standard

LinuxDoc is a document output available in LyX.
 You can use it to produce documents in the Linuxdoc SGML DTD (Document
 Type Definition), where SGML is the Standardized General Mark-up Language
 a meta language that defines mark-up languages.
 A better known SGML DTD is HTML.
\layout Standard

The LinuxDoc is the particular format used by the Linux Documentation Project.
 That is obviously helpful if you are contributing to that project.
\layout Standard

You can use the SGML format with the 
\family typewriter 
SGMLtools
\family default 
 v1.0 package of scripts and programs (to produce other formats, including
 Latex, HTML, plain text, man pages and\SpecialChar \ldots{}
).
 You may therefore prefer to use this document class if you want to write
 something that can be easily translated into other formats.
\layout Standard

You will find that LinuxDoc classes have fewer layout options than the other
 text classes in LyX.
 This is mainly so that the translations into other formats have a chance
 of making some sense.
 In this section we describe:
\layout Itemize

how to setup and use a document in LinuxDoc
\layout Itemize

how to use the tags in LinuxDoc to layout your document
\layout Itemize

how to use the SGMLtools v1.0 package to produce the various formats
\layout Subsection

Preparing and using a LinuxDoc document
\layout Subsubsection

Getting started
\layout Standard

You start by selecting the LinuxDoc article or LinuxDoc manpage classes
 using the 
\family sans 
Document
\protected_separator 
Layout
\family default 
 popup.
\layout Standard

For both classes you will find that there are fewer paragraph environments
 than for most other classes.
 You can see them on the pull down box on the left of the tool bar.
 How to use them is described in section
\protected_separator 

\begin_inset LatexCommand \ref{sec:sgmlparas}

\end_inset 

Re: LinuxDoc updated documentation

[José Abílio de Oliveira Matos]

Hi reading my own message it appears that the attachement is truncated, I
will try again...

--
José Abílio de Oliveira Matos
~
Will it improve my CASH FLOW?

#This file was created by  Mon Feb  1 16:38:07 1999
#LyX 1.0 (C) 1995-1999 Matthias Ettrich and the LyX Team
\lyxformat 2.15
\textclass article
\language default
\inputencoding default
\fontscheme default
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single 
\papersize Default
\paperpackage widemarginsa4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Section

Using LyX with SGML-Tools (aka LinuxDoc)
\layout Standard

by 
\noun on 
Paul Evans
\layout Subsection

Overview
\layout Standard

LinuxDoc is a document output available in LyX.
 You can use it to produce documents in the Linuxdoc SGML DTD (Document
 Type Definition), where SGML is the Standardized General Mark-up Language
 a meta language that defines mark-up languages.
 A better known SGML DTD is HTML.
\layout Standard

The LinuxDoc is the particular format used by the Linux Documentation Project.
 That is obviously helpful if you are contributing to that project.
\layout Standard

You can use the SGML format with the 
\family typewriter 
SGMLtools
\family default 
 v1.0 package of scripts and programs (to produce other formats, including
 Latex, HTML, plain text, man pages and\SpecialChar \ldots{}
).
 You may therefore prefer to use this document class if you want to write
 something that can be easily translated into other formats.
\layout Standard

You will find that LinuxDoc classes have fewer layout options than the other
 text classes in LyX.
 This is mainly so that the translations into other formats have a chance
 of making some sense.
 In this section we describe:
\layout Itemize

how to setup and use a document in LinuxDoc
\layout Itemize

how to use the tags in LinuxDoc to layout your document
\layout Itemize

how to use the SGMLtools v1.0 package to produce the various formats
\layout Subsection

Preparing and using a LinuxDoc document
\layout Subsubsection

Getting started
\layout Standard

You start by selecting the LinuxDoc article or LinuxDoc manpage classes
 using the 
\family sans 
Document
\protected_separator 
Layout
\family default 
 popup.
\layout Standard

For both classes you will find that there are fewer paragraph environments
 than for most other classes.
 You can see them on the pull down box on the left of the tool bar.
 How to use them is described in section
\protected_separator 

\begin_inset LatexCommand \ref{sec:sgmlparas}

\end_inset 

Re: uh, oh . . .

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Allan> More bad news

Allan> Try copying a BibTeX Database entry from one file to another
Allan> and then run "Update DVI" on the new buffer.  Bang.

Allan> I haven't time to investigate this at present so I've attached
Allan> a gdb dump as food for thought...  (note that owner is 0x0)

I'd say that *any* inset which has a owner field will suffer from this
syndrome. I guess we should have a setOwner(Buffer*) virtual method in
the base inset which actually sets the owner for insets which need
that.

Not something that we'd like to change today...

JMarc

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Martin Vermeer]

> > "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Martin> While leafing through book.cls (renamed to fgibook.cls,
> Martin> fgibook.layout to follow) I noticed that there is so much
> Martin> stuff hardwired that could be put into a variable using
> Martin> \newcommand. Some stuff is user redifinable (like certain
> Martin> names, or numbering achemes etc.), but most is just hardwired
> Martin> or cumbersome to redefine by the user.
> 
> I think there exist classes/packages which allow to redefine many
> things. A first job will probably be to find out what these
> classes/packages are and whether they are suited for what we want. 

I wouldn't be so sure... typically what you find are packages that 
change things to a different, but equally rigid scheme.

This is really a thing that has disappointed me a little in LaTeX.
Of course it has its value for fixing a style for journal articles 
e.g. which is consistent; but it is not good that there is no flexibility
at all.

The way it should be is, that if you want something fundamentally 
different (e.g. a letter instead of a journal article) then you 
get a different class. If you want *some aspect* of your doc to be
fundamentally different, you get a .sty package for that. Example:
hanging captions with caption.sty.

But *it should be possible* (for a package like LyX) to change small,
trivial things in simple, obvious ways without programming; it may not 
be so that we have replaced mark-up coding successfully with an 
on-screen, visual feedback paradigm, but still are editing the 
document definitions in the oldfashioned primitive (=programming) way!
 
> * classes: paper.cls, koma-script
> * packages: fncychap.sty, secsty.sty, section.sty, caption.sty,
>   caption2.sty 

section.sty and fncycap.sty look somewhat interesting. But, limited
in the ways that I outlined above. (and this is not something that
you should *need* add-on packages for!)
 
> There are probably many others.

Can't say that I've stumbled over them :-)
 
> Martin> And modifying a class file of course requires root
> Martin> privileges. No problem for us Linuxers, but...
> 
> Does not need any root priviledge: just have the local copy somewhere
> earlier in the search path.

OK, good to know. Thanks!

> Note that it is not a good idea to have
> local copies of standard document classes with the same name. In fact,
^^
True. So lyxarticle.cls, lyxbook.cls, ... with same functionality
but "handles" added. Hmm?

> LaTeX licence prohibits from distributing such classes.
>
> JMarc
> 

Martin

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Rich Fields at 407.356.5842]

> > > "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > Martin> While leafing through book.cls (renamed to fgibook.cls,
> > Martin> fgibook.layout to follow) I noticed that there is so much
> > Martin> stuff hardwired that could be put into a variable using
> > Martin> \newcommand. Some stuff is user redifinable (like certain
> > Martin> names, or numbering achemes etc.), but most is just hardwired
> > Martin> or cumbersome to redefine by the user.
> > 
> > I think there exist classes/packages which allow to redefine many
> > things. A first job will probably be to find out what these
> > classes/packages are and whether they are suited for what we want. 
> 
> I wouldn't be so sure... typically what you find are packages that 
> change things to a different, but equally rigid scheme.
> 
> This is really a thing that has disappointed me a little in LaTeX.
> Of course it has its value for fixing a style for journal articles 
> e.g. which is consistent; but it is not good that there is no flexibility
> at all.
> 
> The way it should be is, that if you want something fundamentally 
> different (e.g. a letter instead of a journal article) then you 
> get a different class. If you want *some aspect* of your doc to be
> fundamentally different, you get a .sty package for that. Example:
> hanging captions with caption.sty.
> 
> But *it should be possible* (for a package like LyX) to change small,
> trivial things in simple, obvious ways without programming; it may not 
> be so that we have replaced mark-up coding successfully with an 
> on-screen, visual feedback paradigm, but still are editing the 
> document definitions in the oldfashioned primitive (=programming) way!

This is where I fall short in using latex2e.  I was a heavy
latex2.09 user starting in the mid/late-80s and had to
create significant hacks to areas like you are discussing
and more. Unfortunately, I then became so comfortable at
being able to hack latex code that the modern era of all
these new pre-packaged, documented, structured style files
passed me by, and now I'm trying to re-learn how to use
latex with these new packages (most of which are great).

I bring this up because my latex history means I have no
fear of latex internals (if this is good or bad I'm not
sure).  If there are small latex hacks needed, and we can't
get a true modern latexpert on the list, I might be able to
help some. (But it would be best if there was a true
latexpert that could at least consult to see if any hacks
created interfere with something else.)

Rich

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Rich Fields at 407.356.5842]

Jean-Marc writes
> > "Rich" == Rich Fields at 407 356 5842 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Rich> This is where I fall short in using latex2e.  I was a heavy
> Rich> latex2.09 user starting in the mid/late-80s and had to create
> Rich> significant hacks to areas like you are discussing and
> Rich> more. Unfortunately, I then became so comfortable at being able
> Rich> to hack latex code that the modern era of all these new
> Rich> pre-packaged, documented, structured style files passed me by,
> Rich> and now I'm trying to re-learn how to use latex with these new
> Rich> packages (most of which are great).
> 
> That's why I think that, if we decide to build the ultimate
> configurable class, the first thing to do is ask for help on
> comp.text.tex. Such a project should be a pure LaTeX project at
> first. When it works, then we will be able to add support in LyX for
> that.
[snip]

I agree.  :)  (Whew.  I almost volunteered for something again.)

Rich

Re: LinuxDoc updated documentation

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "José" == José Abílio de Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

José> Hi reading my own message it appears that the attachement is
José> truncated, I=

José> will try again...

Does not work yet. I did the change for the layout file.

JMarc

Re: LinuxDoc updated documentation

[José Abílio de Oliveira Matos]

José Abílio de Oliveira Matos wrote:
> 
> Hi reading my own message it appears that the attachement is truncated, I
> will try again...
> 
  Arrh...
  Last try... Now zipped...
--
José Abílio de Oliveira Matos
~
Will it improve my CASH FLOW?
 linuxdoc_section.lyx.gz

LinuxDoc documentation

[mressler]

The latest gzipped version seems to be complete. I'll add it to the docs
later today unless someone else beats me to it. (Note that I can only do
doc modifications - someone else needs to check that all the layout
changes are complete.)

Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: LinuxDoc documentation

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Mike" ==   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mike> The latest gzipped version seems to be complete. I'll add it to
Mike> the docs later today unless someone else beats me to it. (Note
Mike> that I can only do doc modifications - someone else needs to
Mike> check that all the layout changes are complete.)

Go on. I just did the layout file part.

JMarc

obsolete web page

[Amir Karger]

There's a *completely* obsolete web page at http://www.via.ecp.fr/lyx/. For
example, it says an equation editor and WYSIWYG figures are being planned,
and lists Matthias' page as the lyx home page. I'm particularly worried
about this page since it's at via, and people ftp'ing there might try
http'ing there too.

Is there any way to get this page removed, or redirected to www.lyx.org?

-Amir

Re: obsolete web page

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Amir" == Amir Karger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Amir> There's a *completely* obsolete web page at
Amir> http://www.via.ecp.fr/lyx/. For example, it says an equation
Amir> editor and WYSIWYG figures are being planned, and lists
Amir> Matthias' page as the lyx home page. I'm particularly worried
Amir> about this page since it's at via, and people ftp'ing there
Amir> might try http'ing there too.

People are supposed to ftp to ftp.lyx.org. They should not even know
this is at via.

Amir> Is there any way to get this page removed, or redirected to
Amir> www.lyx.org?

You could try to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask whether the page
is still maintained (to be polite) and then ask whether it could be
removed. They'll understand, since we are in pre 1.0.0 cleanup phase.

JMarc

Re: LyX-PR.de

[Peter Suetterlin]

Martin Vermeer wrote:

> "Europäische Sprachen"? The above sounds cumbersome, if exact. Don't
> translate too literally!

Yep, much better!

> > komplexesten
> 
> (kompliziertesten?)

not sure.  complicated is not complex, no?

> > schnell von einigen prinzipiellen Unterschieden verwundert sein.  
> 
> "... sich staunen" ?

would be "erstaunt sein", and would mean a more positive feeling about
the differences.

> Long time since I wrote German.

Still a good feeling for it :-)
Thanks,

  Peter

-- 
~~
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Re: obsolete web page

[José Abílio de Oliveira Matos]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> 
> > "Amir" == Amir Karger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Amir> There's a *completely* obsolete web page at
> Amir> http://www.via.ecp.fr/lyx/. For example, it says an equation
> Amir> editor and WYSIWYG figures are being planned, and lists
> Amir> Matthias' page as the lyx home page. I'm particularly worried
> Amir> about this page since it's at via, and people ftp'ing there
> Amir> might try http'ing there too.
> 
> People are supposed to ftp to ftp.lyx.org. They should not even know
> this is at via.

  That would be in aperfect world ;-)
  Actually if you try a search engine you will probably find that page, why?
Suppose that someone heard about lyx but doesn't remember the correct
address, difficult but not impossible :-)...

> Amir> Is there any way to get this page removed, or redirected to
> Amir> www.lyx.org?
> 
> You could try to contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask whether the page
> is still maintained (to be polite) and then ask whether it could be
> removed. They'll understand, since we are in pre 1.0.0 cleanup phase.

  The page was last update in September 1996...
> JMarc
--
José Abílio de Oliveira Matos
~
Please come home with me ... I have Tylenol!!

archive

[Amir Karger]

Oh. But if the via web site is killed, the old lyx-devel archive (at
via.ecp.fr/lyx/archive) will die with it. I guess the main web page could
just be a link to www.lyx.org plus a link to the archive?

Or if there's enough room, perhaps the archive could just be pulled to the
current www.lyx.org?

-Amir

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[Amir Karger]

Oops. Now what?

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Hi.

LyX 1.0 is about to be released, and I noticed that there's this *very*
old web site with lots of obsolete information about LyX. Would it be
possible for you to remove all the information from this site, except
for a link to the new lyx home page (www.lyx.org) and a link to the
mailing list archive that's still at your site
(www.via.ecp.fr/lyx/archive)?

Thanks

-Amir Karger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (aka [EMAIL PROTECTED])

ps I just realized that you have no reason to listen to me. You can
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Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@via.ecp.fr: Returned mail: User unknown]

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Amir" == Amir Karger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Amir> Oops. Now what?  

I don't know. Root, postmaster, be creative! 

And tell them that webmaster is broken...

JMarc

Re: archive

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Amir" == Amir Karger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Amir> Oh. But if the via web site is killed, the old lyx-devel archive
Amir> (at via.ecp.fr/lyx/archive) will die with it. I guess the main
Amir> web page could just be a link to www.lyx.org plus a link to the
Amir> archive?

I would be nice if Mate could get those now, and try to see whether
they can be fed to mail-archive, or usable in some other way...

JMarc

Re: users' list

[Mate Wierdl]

   
   Mate> But in fact even a daily cron job may not do: after the last
   Mate> message he sent me asking for stuff, I replied within an hour,
   Mate> and apparently he again got too busy in the meantime.  So an
   Mate> hourly cronjob perhaps would do.
   
   Mate> What do you think?
   
   I don't know... I'm a bit at loss about what to do to get things fixed
   fast. 

Keep in mind: I really was kidding about the cronjob.  Here is another
suggestion though: send messages to the owner of the users' list (make
sure it is the owner for the list at kde), and ask questions like

1) Which one is the real address of the users' list (three choices).
Because I do not seem to be getting all the messages.

2) Which of the three addresses of the users' list is www
archived---and where?

If enough messages will get there, Martin will try to read my message
from last week---or at least ask me to resend them.

Come to think of it: if the subscribers' address list to the three
addresses of the users' list are not the same, Martin may not even
know what list to send me in the first place!  So perhaps that is why
he does not answer; he has sleepless nights trying to figure out what
to do.  Poor guy!

Mate

Re: archive

[Mate Wierdl]

   Oh. But if the via web site is killed, the old lyx-devel archive (at
   via.ecp.fr/lyx/archive) will die with it. I guess the main web page could
   just be a link to www.lyx.org plus a link to the archive?
   
   Or if there's enough room, perhaps the archive could just be pulled to the
   current www.lyx.org?

I suppose you are talking about the html-ized archive at via.  I had a
different plan: at one point, I will get the original (not html-ized)
archive from via, and send it to the new www archive (where it gets
html-ized).  

I do not have much time presently, and I thought there are more urgent
things.  The above procedure requires some preparation, since messages
at the new www archive get archived based on the last received
line, and not by the Date line.  This means that if I send some
messages from the old archive, they would get archived as if they were
created recently.

There is a reason for this behavior, and I did have some
correspondence on the subject with Jeff at www.mail-archive.com, but I
did not have time to work out the details.

All I can promise at this point is that I will do the transfer by the
end of February.

It is another matter, if via has only an html-ized archive.  Then Buddha
help us.

Mate

Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@via.ecp.fr: Returned mail: User unknown]

[Mate Wierdl]

Try postmaster.

Mate

web site mirrors?

[Amir Karger]

During our recent begging for server space, didn't we get a bunch of offers
for web site space? I think we ought to take people up on that. You know, to
have a www.us.lyx.org etc. That way, there will be less pressure on people
to have (and maintain!) their own web sites, and access will be quicker for
everyone. devel.lyx.org might be harder to mirror because of the CVS stuff,
but www.lyx.org is the site where we're expecting a few hundred thousand
hits tomorrow :)

-Amir

CVS commit: Crashes with cut's fixed

[Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen]

Hi!

I checked out some of the bug reports I got recently:

1) Problems with strange word wrapping.
   This problem is cosmetic only, and I don't care about it.

2) Crashes after cuts of complex stuff.
   This was a real bug, and I fixed it.

I don't have any crashes in my backlog.
If you have an old bug-report resulting in crashes (except the
BibInset thing, which is to be ignored), please forward them
again.  (Check if the problem still exists in the cvs version first 
if possible.)

Thanks,

Asger

mailing.html

[Amir Karger]

OK, I've re-re-written mailing.html to show the new mailing lists (again). I
also included a note that we plan to change lyx-users soon. If a couple
people could proofread it for spelling et al., that would be nice. Then
asger can post it.

I hope you like my formatting choices. If not, I could probably change them.
I tried to keep the page short but clear.

-Amir

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  Mailing Lists
  There are three different mailing lists related to LyX:
  
  The Announcement list. Very low volume.
  (archive)
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  (archive)
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  (archive)
  
  They each serve a different purpose.  You can check the archives
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  How the mailing lists work
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	 retrieve one or more messages, or contact the (human) list owner
	 
	 Note: the address is the important thing; the subject and body of the
	 message can be completely empty!

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 This mailing list is indended for announcements concerning LyX, in
 particular new stable versions.
 
	 Send mail (can be empty) to:
	 
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 Use this list if you have questions on how to get LyX working,
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Re: web site mirrors?

[Mate Wierdl]

Yupp, I thought the wepage will be moved to denmark to auc.

Mate
On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 01:38:57PM -0500, Amir Karger wrote:
> During our recent begging for server space, didn't we get a bunch of offers
> for web site space? I think we ought to take people up on that. You know, to
> have a www.us.lyx.org etc. That way, there will be less pressure on people
> to have (and maintain!) their own web sites, and access will be quicker for
> everyone. devel.lyx.org might be harder to mirror because of the CVS stuff,
> but www.lyx.org is the site where we're expecting a few hundred thousand
> hits tomorrow :)
> 
> -Amir

-- 
---
Mate Wierdl | Dept. of Math. Sciences | University of Memphis  

mailing.html

[Mate Wierdl]

Delete 

---
The only person allowed to post to this list is me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], so
if you have something really important that the rest of the LyX
community needs to know, send me a message that I can forward.
--

The fact is now that any subscriber can post---lars did not even want
moderation to be set up.

Mate

Re: mailing.html

[Amir Karger]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 01:39:56PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> Delete 
> 
> ---
> The only person allowed to post to this list is me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], so
> if you have something really important that the rest of the LyX
> community needs to know, send me a message that I can forward.
> --
> 
> The fact is now that any subscriber can post---lars did not even want
> moderation to be set up.
> 
> Mate

Huh? I guess there's no reason to think that some random person would write
stuff to that list, but why even allow the possibility that they would do
it, purposely or unpurposely?

-Amir

Re: scrlettr layout broken?

[Joacim Persson]

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, I wrote:

> ..at least I can't figure out how to get a LaTeX:able file from it.

Well I have now. ;) ...the "Letter" environment should rather be named "To"
or something imho; As far as I can tell it's for setting the recipient's
address.

Joacim
-
With both feet on the ground, you won't get very far.
-- Loesje

Re: mailing.html

[Mate Wierdl]

   On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 01:39:56PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
   > Delete 
   > 
   > ---
   > The only person allowed to post to this list is me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], so
   > if you have something really important that the rest of the LyX
   > community needs to know, send me a message that I can forward.
   > --
   > 
   > The fact is now that any subscriber can post---lars did not even want
   > moderation to be set up.
   > 
   > Mate
   
   Huh? I guess there's no reason to think that some random person would write
   stuff to that list, but why even allow the possibility that they would do
   it, purposely or unpurposely?
   
No idea.  I am not the boss.  I have no problem setting up moderation
for the list---with you guys deciding on the list of moderators.

Mate

Re: mailing.html

[Amir Karger]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 02:19:00PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
>On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 01:39:56PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
>> Delete 
>> 
>> ---
>> The only person allowed to post to this list is me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], so
>> if you have something really important that the rest of the LyX
>> community needs to know, send me a message that I can forward.
>> --
>> 
>> The fact is now that any subscriber can post---lars did not even want
>> moderation to be set up.
>> 
>> Mate
>
>Huh? I guess there's no reason to think that some random person would write
>stuff to that list, but why even allow the possibility that they would do
>it, purposely or unpurposely?
>
> No idea.  I am not the boss.  I have no problem setting up moderation
> for the list---with you guys deciding on the list of moderators.

Well, I'm not the boss either. I guess I'm asking Lars. (I kind of figured
that if it's not true that only lars can submit, it doesn't hurt to say it :)

-Amir

Re: users' list

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Mate" == Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mate> Based on the past history of email and Martin, I think I should
Mate> just set up a daily cron job that would send the two relevant
Mate> messages to him.

:)

Mate> But in fact even a daily cron job may not do: after the last
Mate> message he sent me asking for stuff, I replied within an hour,
Mate> and apparently he again got too busy in the meantime.  So an
Mate> hourly cronjob perhaps would do.

Mate> What do you think?

I don't know... I'm a bit at loss about what to do to get things fixed
fast. 

Ideas, anyone? Does somebody know how to get Martin's attention fast?

JMarc

Re: LinuxDoc documentation

[José Abílio de Oliveira Matos]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> The latest gzipped version seems to be complete. I'll add it to the docs
> later today unless someone else beats me to it. (Note that I can only do
> doc modifications - someone else needs to check that all the layout
> changes are complete.)

  Please check if there are any typos, since I guess the text has some. I
have done  my best but... sometimes our best isn't enough ;-)

> Mike
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Thanks.

  José
--
José Abílio de Oliveira Matos
~
Please come home with me ... I have Tylenol!!

Re: LinuxDoc documentation

[mressler]

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, [iso-8859-1] José Abílio de Oliveira Matos wrote:
>   Please check if there are any typos, since I guess the text has some. I
> have done  my best but... sometimes our best isn't enough ;-)

Will do. I'll probably run the spell checker over all the docs before the
day is over anyway.

Mike

Re: Tomorrow is the day

[Garst R. Reese]

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Just to remind you that I won't be present tomorrow and Wednesday to
> see the flood of new users coming with bug reports :) I'll try to read
> my mail where I'll be, but no promise...
> 
> Since it seems that there are still several bugs in 1.0.0, I think we
> should be prepared to release 1.0.1 soon. That may mean that the
> pending features can wait until 1.0.2.
> 
> It gonna be fun...
> 
> JMarc
Well, that's one groundhog's shadow we won't see :)
But you have my heartiest congratulations and Thanks anyway.
-- 
Garst

Re: Tomorrow is the day

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Garst" == Garst R Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Garst> Well, that's one groundhog's shadow we won't see :) But you
Garst> have my heartiest congratulations and Thanks anyway.  

Well, don't be too dramatic. I'll be back on Thursday, after
all... But, of course, this will be after the end of the world (as we
know it).

JMarc

Re: My latest :-)

[John Weiss]

On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 11:33:08AM -0600, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:
> wait a minute.  I have a similar machine, 486/50, 340mb.  After a 40mb 
> swap partition (don't know why; i have 24mb), and a 40mb partition for 
> the OS whose name we dare not say (hey, i have to have something to do 
> while travelling, and i haven't managed to run Master of Orion under 
> dosemu yet), i still have latex for my lyx.  Of course, i dare not use 
> it, with a processor that slow, but . . . :)
> 
> Come to think of it, i had lyx & latex on 486/33's with 8mb and two 
> 80mb drives.

I do other things besides write during my commute.  It made no sense
to me to install a crippled LaTeX to produce PostScript® on a slow
machine when I could wait until I got home and let my full teTeX on my
speedy desktop do it all in a flash.

-- 
John Weiss

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Amir Karger writes:
 | Also, what makes it emacs-style? vim can do it too, e.g.

Created when reading the vc.el files.

Lgb

Re: uh, oh . . .

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Alejandro Aguilar Sierra writes:
 |  Yes, please use gdb, give more details about your system, and
 | describe a sequence of steps to reproduce the fails.
 | 
 | If there are several serious bugs, I think we should delay a week
 | the release and have an intensive bug hunting week.

My question is: why did someone fiddle with mathed just before release
when we where in hard-freeze...

Lgb

Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@via.ecp.fr: Returned mail: User unknown]

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Jean-Marc Lasgouttes writes:
 |
|| "Amir" == Amir Karger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Amir| Oops. Now what?
 |  I don't know. Root, postmaster, be creative!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

should work.

Lgb

Re: key combo to rotate among documents?

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Asger Alstrup Nielsen writes:
 |
|| We had this at one point in time, but someone chose to remove it.
|| Why, I do not know. I found it a useful feature.
 |  The code was messy and dangerous, and to be replaced by something
 | better. However, this never happened... Lgb?

This will come in 1.1.x, in 1.0.x there is no support in BufferView or
bufferlist to keep track to the prev buffer.

And, please don't use time on developing such a think for 1.0... we
really need to swtich developmet effort to 1.1. now.

Lgb

Re: web site mirrors?

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Amir Karger writes:
 |  During our recent begging for server space, didn't we get a bunch
 | of offers for web site space? I think we ought to take people up on
 | that. You know, to have a www.us.lyx.org etc. That way, there will
 | be less pressure on people to have (and maintain!) their own web
 | sites, and access will be quicker for everyone. devel.lyx.org might
 | be harder to mirror because of the CVS stuff, but www.lyx.org is
 | the site where we're expecting a few hundred thousand hits tomorrow
 | :)

We need to setup a mirror scheme.

Should not be very hard.

using rsync.

Lgb

Re: "not" end of period sentance

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Asger Alstrup Nielsen writes:
 |  Similarly, there are situations where we need a "not end of
 | sentence period", and this is still missing. There must be a better
 | way than ".\" for this? I fear that combination will cause trouble

".\" is wrong ".\ " is correct. "\ " is a command that gives a regular
interword space.

Lgb

 | I'll keep John's reference doc on the matter so that LyX can be
 | more intelligent (although bits of the spec are a bit
 | Americentric), and maybe we'll see what we can do for 1.0.1, but
 | it'll probably be 1.1.x stuff, and most certainly not for 1.0.0. I

Let's skip this for 1.0.x, please...

Lgb

Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@via.ecp.fr: Returned mail: User unknown]

[Amir Karger]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 09:24:03PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well, postmaster didn't send me back an "unknown" so I'm assuming that it
got there and I can wait a day or so for the response, rather than sending a
copy to admin which might annoy whoever gets two copies (since we all know
it's really annoying to get two copies of mail).

So am I right in guessing that you're not going to release 1.0 in the next
hour? You're already too late as far as Allan Rae is concerned, e.g.

-Amir

Re: web site mirrors?

[Amir Karger]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 09:25:13PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> *Amir Karger writes:
>  |  During our recent begging for server space, didn't we get a bunch
>  | of offers for web site space? I think we ought to take people up on
>  | that. You know, to have a www.us.lyx.org etc. That way, there will
>  | be less pressure on people to have (and maintain!) their own web
>  | sites, and access will be quicker for everyone. devel.lyx.org might
>  | be harder to mirror because of the CVS stuff, but www.lyx.org is
>  | the site where we're expecting a few hundred thousand hits tomorrow
>  | :)
> 
> We need to setup a mirror scheme.
> 
> Should not be very hard.
> 
> using rsync.

Great idea!

Well, if 1.0 isn't going out today, then a really great time to do this
would be *right now*, before 1.0 does go out. And if there's any
administrative work involved, someone who can't fix bugs, write remaining
docs, etc. would be just perfect to do it.

Did anyone think to make a list of the sites that offered to create mirrors
for us or do we need to search through the archives? I assume most of these
places have mirrored lots of sites and it will be very simple to have them
mirror one more place. It would be nice eventually to alias them to
us.lyx.org and stuff, but that's less important to start with. Our first
priority is just to allow lots of hits on the off chance that a lot of
people read the press releases and decide to try it out. It couldn't hurt to
mirror the lyx source and/or binaries too, if there's enough space at the
mirror sites.

-Amir

Re: mailing.html

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Amir Karger writes:
 |  On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 01:39:56PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
|| Delete
|| 
|| --- The only person allowed to post to this list is me,
|| [EMAIL PROTECTED], so if you have something really important that the
|| rest of the LyX community needs to know, send me a message that I
|| can forward. --
|| 
|| The fact is now that any subscriber can post---lars did not even
|| want moderation to be set up.
|| 
|| Mate
 |  Huh? I guess there's no reason to think that some random person
 | would write stuff to that list, but why even allow the possibility
 | that they would do it, purposely or unpurposely?

Why have the burdon on moderation when there is no problem?

We can always add moderation later.

Lgb

Re: mailing.html

[Amir Karger]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 11:08:14PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> *Amir Karger writes:
>  |  On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 01:39:56PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> || Delete
> || 
> || --- The only person allowed to post to this list is me,
> || [EMAIL PROTECTED], so if you have something really important that the
> || rest of the LyX community needs to know, send me a message that I
> || can forward. --
> || 
> || The fact is now that any subscriber can post---lars did not even
> || want moderation to be set up.
> || 
> || Mate
>  |  Huh? I guess there's no reason to think that some random person
>  | would write stuff to that list, but why even allow the possibility
>  | that they would do it, purposely or unpurposely?
> 
> Why have the burdon on moderation when there is no problem?
> 
> We can always add moderation later.

I'm just saying I can't imagine a reason why anyone except you would want to
post. But hey, you're the boss.

I'm attaching mailing_2.html. Please replace mailing.html with this (unless
there's a problem with it...).

-Amir

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Re: web site mirrors?

[Asger Alstrup Nielsen]

> Yupp, I thought the wepage will be moved to denmark to auc.

They set up an account for us and everything was getting ready, but I had a few
problems with the account, and had a bit of correspondance with the nice people
to fix it, but I think I need to remind them.

It won't happen soon, though.

Greets,

Asger

Re: "not" end of period sentance

[Larry S. Marso]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 09:02:23PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> *Asger Alstrup Nielsen writes:
> 
>  | I'll keep John's reference doc on the matter so that LyX can be
>  | more intelligent 
> 
> Let's skip this for 1.0.x, please...

Any chance of a LyX "mid-sentance period" under Insert->Special Character
in the 1.0.x series?  LyX shouldn't require ERT just to be able to write
"Mr."

While John encapsulated the issues well, I suspect international
considerations argue against use of any of the mentioned "intelligent"
algorithms.

(And I'm kind of proud LyX doesn't use the M$ Word model).

Best regards
-- 
Larry S. Marso
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PR-1.0.3... and latexconf

[Arnd Hanses]

On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:16:45 +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote:

>True. So lyxarticle.cls, lyxbook.cls, ... with same functionality
>but "handles" added. Hmm?
>
This is what I'm trying to do in a limited way with my alfanum.cls: just adding things 
I'd 
like to see in LyX. (I'm using LyX/2, the OS/2 port of Miyata san; three cheers for 
his 
work, combined with EmTeX and XDVI/2 it's blazingly fast).

I would suggest also to have a look into jura.cls and alphanumeric.sty of CTAN. 

Three days ago I mailed my aproach to get preliminary alphanumeric sectioning support 
(was: 'alphanumeric section numbering'). [EMAIL PROTECTED] would have a glimpse into it:
Larry, did it work for you? 
Just one typo:
Use 'Labeltype' instead of 'LabelType' in 'alfanumber.layout'!


P.S.: Koma-etc. is great to produce the more traditional typeset.


Regards,

AH

Re: Little Bug with German sz

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

*Daniel Naber writes:
 |  Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
|| | Insert this into Layout -> LaTex Preamble: | |
|| \usepackage{german} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
|| 
|| No. Do this in Layout->Document instead.
|| 
|| Set language to german and input encoding to latin1
 |  Suse 6.0 still comes with lyx 0.12, setting the language and the
 | encoding is not enough there, AFAIK.

Ahh, you are right... Could it be that you don't have the EC fonts
installed?

Lgb

Re: Little Bug with German sz

[Daniel Naber]

Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:

> || Set language to german and input encoding to latin1
>  |  Suse 6.0 still comes with lyx 0.12, setting the language and the
>  | encoding is not enough there, AFAIK.
> 
> Ahh, you are right... Could it be that you don't have the EC fonts
> installed?

? I don't know what's installed :-) I looked up the answer to the sz
problem from suse's online support database. It works around the problem
but it only seems to be necessary for 0.12 (I'm not absolutely sure, I
don't have 0.12 anymore).

I think we don't need to worry about this...

Regards
 Daniel

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Re: key combo to rotate among documents?

[Alejandro Aguilar Sierra]

On 1 Feb 1999, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:

> And, please don't use time on developing such a think for 1.0... we
> really need to swtich developmet effort to 1.1. now.

As soon as we get ride of 1.0 bugs (well, at least the worses).

Alejandro

Re: uh, oh . . .

[Allan Rae]

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

> > "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Allan> More bad news
> 
> Allan> Try copying a BibTeX Database entry from one file to another
> Allan> and then run "Update DVI" on the new buffer.  Bang.
> 
> Allan> I haven't time to investigate this at present so I've attached
> Allan> a gdb dump as food for thought...  (note that owner is 0x0)
> 
> I'd say that *any* inset which has a owner field will suffer from this
> syndrome. I guess we should have a setOwner(Buffer*) virtual method in
> the base inset which actually sets the owner for insets which need
> that.

I managed to spend about half an hour grepping the sources to look for 
exactly this situation last night and it appears from my investigations
that InsetBibtex is the only case which will cause a crash...
> 
> Not something that we'd like to change today...

I did figure out a fairly simple fix for this crash though.
"owner" is a Buffer* pointing to the buffer the inset belongs to.
The crash occurs in InsetBibtex::Latex.  Since this method is only called
(in 1.0) while the current buffer is being written out as LaTeX or as a
file it is simply a matter of adding the following to the start of that
method:

if (!owner) {
owner = current_view->currentBuffer();
}
 
> JMarc
> 

Your point about setOwner(Buffer*) is a good one.  However, I think it
is indicative of something even more important:  a thorough review of LyX
insets and their structure/heirarchy during 1.1 development.  We have a
number of difficulties with the present design:

inset codes
Do we really need them?  We have several special cases we handle
in the source mostly related to bibtex (especially Bibitem's).
Ideally we need come up with a scheme that eliminates these
special cases.

Buffer *owner
Another sticky situation.  In 1.1 some of this has been eliminated
already but its an even more complicated environment there since
we'll have multiple LyXView's and hence potentially multiple
current buffers...

heterogeneous interfaces
This is probably the biggest flaw the insets currently have.
Switching to a homogeneous heirarchy (the writer suggestion from
Lars last week is a good example) should help eliminate most of
our problems but will still require a review of our current insets
and where we are heading with them (everything is an inset) in
order to get a good design.
For more info on this I recommend:
"Secrets of the C++ Masters," by Jeff Alger (Library of Congress
call number QA76.73.C153 A44 1995) AP Professional : Boston
(The same book on this subject I recommended 6 months ago)

Regards,
Allan. (ARRae)

Re: So that I can sleep at night...

[Allan Rae]

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Allan Rae wrote:

> Can someone please answer a very important question for me.
> Has anybody seen any emails posted by me in the last two weeks?
> I sent 3 or 4 yesterday/last night so you should still have them in your
> mailboxes.

Thanks for the 6 different replies (the reason you are seeing the emails
of the last day or two is that I've been sending them from uni instead of
home).  I sat down and figured it out last night -- my sendmail is
misconfigured and since its so confoozling I think I'll switch to qmail
and have another go -- either that or go back to using just netscape or
pine at home so I don't need a separate smtp server just to forward my
mail to the smtp gateway at my isp.

Allan. (ARRae)

minor license detail

[Richard E. Hawkins Esq.]

I've looked at COPYING in cvs, and there's one minor detail:

The GPL license refuses permission to distribute a modified version of 
the *license*.  Currently, it's in copying.

I'd suggest a directory called "licenseRefs" or some such, and to put 
the GPL there, with a pointer in copying.  The GPL shouldn't appear as 
its own file in the top directory, or folks will claim it's the license.

Also, perhaps a README.1st file in with the GPL to make it clear that 
it's not the license by itself

rick

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Re: mailinglists on webpage

[John Weiss]

On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 02:49:28PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> Developers' list:
> =
> 
> The address of the list is 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> To subscribe, send any (even completely empty) message to
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> You will get a request to confirm your subscription.  If you have
> problems (un)subscribing, send message to 

Now that I have a new email address, I'd like to migrate this list
form my old email address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to my new one
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.  I now have tried the aforementioned subscribe
method 3 times and failed 3 times.

HP!

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Re: "not" end of period sentance

[John Weiss]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 05:59:50PM -0500, Larry S. Marso wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 09:02:23PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> > *Asger Alstrup Nielsen writes:
> > 
> >  | I'll keep John's reference doc on the matter so that LyX can be
> >  | more intelligent 
> > 
> > Let's skip this for 1.0.x, please...
> 
> Any chance of a LyX "mid-sentance period" under Insert->Special Character
> in the 1.0.x series?  LyX shouldn't require ERT just to be able to write
> "Mr."
> 
> While John encapsulated the issues well, I suspect international
> considerations argue against use of any of the mentioned "intelligent"
> algorithms.

FIRST:
We could easily add code to check the document's language as
specified in the Layout->Document popup.

SECOND:
It would only do something when writing a *.tex file.  Otherwise,
"." is left alone.

THIRD:
Okay, okay, I'll wait until the 1.1.x buffer structure stabilizes
before adding anything like this.

FOURTH:
Intentionally left blank.

FIFTH:
International considerations would be left unaffected.  Our
non-American collegues already have to specify "french spacing" or
the like to shut off the internal [La]TeX spacing algorithm.  so
there would be no problem for other languages.

Alles klar?


-- 
John Weiss

Re: mailinglists on webpage

[Amir Karger]

On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 09:51:34PM -0500, John Weiss wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 02:49:28PM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> > Developers' list:
> > =
> > 
> > The address of the list is 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > To subscribe, send any (even completely empty) message to
> > 
> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > You will get a request to confirm your subscription.  If you have
> > problems (un)subscribing, send message to 
> 
> Now that I have a new email address, I'd like to migrate this list
> form my old email address <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> to my new one
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.  I now have tried the aforementioned subscribe
> method 3 times and failed 3 times.
> 
> HP!
> 
> -- 
> John Weiss

>From what I remember of the docs, "HP!" is not considered a useful
bug report. How did it fail?

-Amir
ps the good news is that regardless of my annoying response, Mate can
probably just make the change for you.

Re: mailinglists on webpage

[Mate Wierdl]

   ps the good news is that regardless of my annoying response, Mate can
   probably just make the change for you.

True, but it would be good if people would figure out how to help
themselves, otherwise I would end up manually subscribing everybody.
Also, list problems usually are due to misconfigured mailers, and so
we get a chance to fix them.

Mate

Lyx 1.0.0 crashing on view/export DVI pr PS

[Pedro Kroger]

Hi all,

I got the newest lyx, the 1.0.0 release, but I had some problems:
As in man page, I set the Enviroment LYX_DIR_10x to the libdir
/usr/X11R6/share/lyx in my profile and get the error :

LYX_DIR_10x environment variable no good.
System directory set to: ./

Any way I have the configurations files in my ~/.lyx dir, so, the
program open.
But when I try to export, print or view the file to DVI or PS, I get a
alert:

Error: Could not change to directoy:
/tmp/lyx_tmp13 bla bla bla

and it crashs ! (and close)

I tried to change the tmpdir to false, but the same error occur with the
HOME path instead.

If I go in the Options==>Reconfigure its say:
Error: Could not change to directory:
/home/kroger/.lyx
Sucess

And close.

I am using RedHat 5.2 linux (with the 2.2.1 kernel) , and I was using
the 0.12 release without problems (from a rpm pakage ;-).

Somebory can help me?
What I am doing wrong ?

TIA

Pedro Kroger

Re: web site mirrors?

[Allan Rae]

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Amir Karger wrote:

> Did anyone think to make a list of the sites that offered to create mirrors
> for us or do we need to search through the archives?

I have copies of all the emailed offers I received. 
Of course there are also the various existing ftp mirror sites that may
also be prepared to provide web mirroring.

> I assume most of these
> places have mirrored lots of sites and it will be very simple to have them
> mirror one more place.

Not quite right.
Most offers were from private netizens doing their bit by offering to host
our cvs repository on someone elses system (eg. uni machines). A
couple of places were setup to provide homes or mirrors for different
projects so I have included their email addresses below.
(JMarc,  I recall seeing a forwarded email on the list discussing web 
 mirroring with Jason Andrade from the mirror.aarnet site.  
 What happened?)

> It would be nice eventually to alias them to
> us.lyx.org and stuff, but that's less important to start with. Our first
> priority is just to allow lots of hits on the off chance that a lot of
> people read the press releases and decide to try it out. It couldn't hurt to
> mirror the lyx source and/or binaries too, if there's enough space at the
> mirror sites.

Yes indeed.
Allan. (ARRae)



Offers for hosting cvs site were received from (not comprehensive) and
this selection are the best candidates for web mirrors IMO:

sunsite.auc.dk -- Asger has already been talking with this group.

Andrea Carpani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  29 Oct 1998
  "...administrate a small server in Italy..."

Christopher Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Oct 30 1998
"We only have a fractional T-1, so I'm not sure my bandwidth meets
your needs."

Cynbe ru Taren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Oct 30 1998
"I have a dual-CPU PentiumPRO box with 256Meg of ram sitting
online not doing much at present. (donna.muq.org if you want to
check out ping time or such.) I do have plans for it by and by."
We would get admin responsibility/access.

Roger Dingledine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Nov 1 1998
"...if you haven't found a good home yet, let me know and we can
work something out.  I have several large servers here at MIT 
(currently http://www.seul.org/ and http://www.linuxunited.org/)
that are far from loaded."

Pehr Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Nov 1 1998
"Which would be more helpful:
Cash for purchasing hardware.
Disk space on the MIT campus (high bandwidth) for an
archive,
Spare hardware I have lying around not being used.
Please let me know since I can probably only provide one of the
above"  (MIT Media Lab)

I don't think I got back to him with an answer since I bounced it
to the list for general consumption.

debian (yes believe it or not check the archive.  Although this was only
for cvs support)  Nov 3 1998

Steven Uggowitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  (or try who.int)  Nov 5 1998
Webmaster at World Health Organization Geneva Switzerland.
referring to cvs repository:
"I would be willing to host your service here at the WHO in
Geneva.  We have a lot of bandwidth ... to waste, and our web
group (me) is a heavy Linux user."

Re: obsolete web page

[David C. Brown N2RJT]

On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

> People are supposed to ftp to ftp.lyx.org. They should not even know
> this is at via.

The web page at www.lyx.org, when you click on "downloads", directs
you to via.  Indeed, that's where I'm grabbing 1.0.0 from this moment.


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