tex as lyx native file format
I'd like to thank all of you for developing such a lovely program. I have a suggestion, probably already pointed out. Can make LyX work with TEX files as native document format? In this way using LYX in a collaboration would be much easier. Indeed, some of my collaborators don't want to use LyX and prefer to use a text editor and write the TEX directy. This means that in oder to use their tex file I have to import it and this is never 100% reliable and clean. I hope you can do something. Bye Roberto
Re: tex as lyx native file format
I love change tracking in LyX and I struggled to find something similar in TEX, so I really take care of what you say. What about a compatibility mode where nice feature like embedding, versioning, branching and all the .lyx-specific features are not available? This way the user can choose if use a lyx file and benefit of all the beaty of LyX or be compatible and use TEX files. Bye On 9/15/07, Bo Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can make LyX work with TEX files as native document format? .lyx file stores more information than a .tex file can ever store. For example, the change-tracking feature can save changes and produce different output (different .tex files) with or without revision marks. The branch feature can save different 'versions' of the same document. The yet-to-come embedding .lyx file can save dependent files along with .lyx file. Using .tex as the native lyx format would seriously limit what lyx can do. Cheers, Bo
Re: tex as lyx native file format
I got the point. I hope something in this direction can be done, compatibility is always a key issue and being both LyX and Tex open format they should be able to translate well. Thanks for the discussion. On 9/15/07, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto Franceschini wrote: I love change tracking in LyX and I struggled to find something similar in TEX, so I really take care of what you say. What about a compatibility mode where nice feature like embedding, versioning, branching and all the .lyx-specific features are not available? This way the user can choose if use a lyx file and benefit of all the beaty of LyX or be compatible and use TEX files. Unfortunately this is not as easy as you think. So, sorry but no, this won't happen ;-) Your compatibility problem with TeX is an import problem, not a file format one. The solution is to improve TeX2LyX. Unfortunately, we lost our main developer in this area :-( Abdel.
Re: tex as lyx native file format
I'm not enetering the technincalities of the thing, i'm not in
position to do so.
I'm just saying that one side LyX is the best word processor, but on
the other side most of the people, dumb like mule, stick to LaTeX just
because it's the standard de-facto.
This make LyX widespreadening much more difficult than it would be.
Result:
1) I can wirte my master thesis using LyX. It was 1.4.1 and I think
I saved so much time compared to Latex and i got a much better result
too (Latex can do better, but you need an infinite amount of time
...).
2) I cannot use LyX anymore because when you write in a
collaborarion a common format is needed and, de-facto, this is Latex,
not lyx file format. Isn't this sad?
Bye
On 9/15/07, Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 02:23:31PM -0500, Bo Peng wrote:
Can make LyX work with TEX files as native document format?
.lyx file stores more information than a .tex file can ever store. For
example, the change-tracking feature can save changes and produce
different output (different .tex files) with or without revision
marks. The branch feature can save different 'versions' of the same
document. The yet-to-come embedding .lyx file can save dependent files
along with .lyx file. Using .tex as the native lyx format would
seriously limit what lyx can do.
I'd guess that this could even made working using markup like
\lyxbranch{name}{.} etc.
However, that does not chance the fact that TeX is de-facto unparsable
by anything than TeX itself. Using it as native file format does not
make a lot of sense if we can't read it...
Andre'
Re: tex as lyx native file format
What about Scientific Workplace, I never used it, but some my co-author do. Seems to provide an editor with formula preview, table preview, etc while editing a .tex file. Why lyx can't run like this? Roberto On 9/15/07, Hans Meine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Samstag 15 September 2007, Roberto Franceschini wrote: 2) I cannot use LyX anymore because when you write in a collaborarion a common format is needed and, de-facto, this is Latex, not lyx file format. Isn't this sad? However, TeX is turing-complete, and thus it can be *proven* that it is absolutely impossible to write a parser that reads any .tex into LyX. In practice, there are just too many possibilities how a specific effect can be achieved. Just try importing .tex files into LyX - the importer is already quite sophisticated. -- Ciao, / /.o. /--/ ..o / / ANS ooo
tex as lyx native file format
I'd like to thank all of you for developing such a lovely program. I have a suggestion, probably already pointed out. Can make LyX work with TEX files as native document format? In this way using LYX in a collaboration would be much easier. Indeed, some of my collaborators don't want to use LyX and prefer to use a text editor and write the TEX directy. This means that in oder to use their tex file I have to import it and this is never 100% reliable and clean. I hope you can do something. Bye Roberto
Re: tex as lyx native file format
I love change tracking in LyX and I struggled to find something similar in TEX, so I really take care of what you say. What about a "compatibility mode" where nice feature like embedding, versioning, branching and all the .lyx-specific features are not available? This way the user can choose if use a lyx file and benefit of all the beaty of LyX or be compatible and use TEX files. Bye On 9/15/07, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can make LyX work with TEX files as native document format? > > .lyx file stores more information than a .tex file can ever store. For > example, the change-tracking feature can save changes and produce > different output (different .tex files) with or without revision > marks. The branch feature can save different 'versions' of the same > document. The yet-to-come embedding .lyx file can save dependent files > along with .lyx file. Using .tex as the native lyx format would > seriously limit what lyx can do. > > Cheers, > Bo >
Re: tex as lyx native file format
I got the point. I hope something in this direction can be done, compatibility is always a key issue and being both LyX and Tex open format they should be able to translate well. Thanks for the discussion. On 9/15/07, Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roberto Franceschini wrote: > > I love change tracking in LyX and I struggled to find something > > similar in TEX, so I really take care of what you say. > > > > What about a "compatibility mode" where nice feature like embedding, > > versioning, branching and all the .lyx-specific features are not > > available? This way the user can choose if use a lyx file and benefit > > of all the beaty of LyX or be compatible and use TEX files. > > Unfortunately this is not as easy as you think. So, sorry but no, this > won't happen ;-) > Your compatibility problem with TeX is an import problem, not a file > format one. The solution is to improve TeX2LyX. Unfortunately, we lost > our main developer in this area :-( > > Abdel. > >
Re: tex as lyx native file format
I'm not enetering the technincalities of the thing, i'm not in
position to do so.
I'm just saying that one side LyX is the best word processor, but on
the other side most of the people, dumb like mule, stick to LaTeX just
because it's the standard de-facto.
This make LyX widespreadening much more difficult than it would be.
Result:
1) I can wirte my master thesis using LyX. It was 1.4.1 and I think
I saved so much time compared to Latex and i got a much better result
too (Latex can do better, but you need an infinite amount of time
...).
2) I cannot use LyX anymore because when you write in a
collaborarion a common format is needed and, de-facto, this is Latex,
not lyx file format. Isn't this sad?
Bye
On 9/15/07, Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 02:23:31PM -0500, Bo Peng wrote:
> > > Can make LyX work with TEX files as native document format?
> >
> > .lyx file stores more information than a .tex file can ever store. For
> > example, the change-tracking feature can save changes and produce
> > different output (different .tex files) with or without revision
> > marks. The branch feature can save different 'versions' of the same
> > document. The yet-to-come embedding .lyx file can save dependent files
> > along with .lyx file. Using .tex as the native lyx format would
> > seriously limit what lyx can do.
>
> I'd guess that this could even made working using markup like
> \lyxbranch{name}{.} etc.
>
> However, that does not chance the fact that TeX is de-facto unparsable
> by anything than TeX itself. Using it as "native" file format does not
> make a lot of sense if we can't read it...
>
> Andre'
>
Re: tex as lyx native file format
What about Scientific Workplace, I never used it, but some my co-author do. Seems to provide an editor with formula preview, table preview, etc while editing a .tex file. Why lyx can't run like this? Roberto On 9/15/07, Hans Meine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Samstag 15 September 2007, Roberto Franceschini wrote: > > 2) I cannot use LyX anymore because when you write in a > > collaborarion a common format is needed and, de-facto, this is Latex, > > not lyx file format. Isn't this sad? > > However, TeX is turing-complete, and thus it can be *proven* that it is > absolutely impossible to write a parser that reads any .tex into LyX. > In practice, there are just too many possibilities how a specific effect can > be achieved. Just try importing .tex files into LyX - the importer is > already quite sophisticated. > > -- > Ciao, / /.o. > /--/ ..o > / / ANS ooo > >
