Re: LyX site - left to do?
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Please let me know if there is still anything that needs to be done before the site can go live. the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having Cache-Control: no-store in http header. could we do something about it? c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078 pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Pavel Sanda wrote: the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having Cache-Control: no-store in http header. could we do something about it? c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078 Fixed. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having Cache-Control: no-store in http header. could we do something about it? c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078 Fixed. great! pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
>> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're >> ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? > > Please let me know if there is still anything that needs to be done before > the site can go live. the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having "Cache-Control: no-store" in http header. could we do something about it? c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078 pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Pavel Sanda wrote: the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having "Cache-Control: no-store" in http header. could we do something about it? c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078 Fixed. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
>> the not working 'back in history' button in firefoxes is caused by having >> "Cache-Control: no-store" in http header. could we do something about it? >> c.f. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427078 > > Fixed. great! pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Angus Leeming wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: I think we're ready to go live. just few bits i've found during scanning the whole structure: - what is lyx, features, get involved pages, donate contain unreadbale chars (copyright sign Lars name,...) - whats is lyx - credits links at the end will be b0rken once pages are official - the picture in the begining of features is visually disturbing - i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were in that section. it becomes even worse once you get back, because we dont have different link colors for already visited pages - you get lost where you have (not) been. maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do? - the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work - if you dont see some reason to keep green sections in TODO i think it will be good to remove them for better overview. - the 'Latest Changes' item is misguiding. but i'm not sure what will be better- 'Trac' or 'Timeline / Browser'. another proposals? pavel What happened to all the old news in at http://www.lyx.org/test/News? The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least some of them appear to be wrong: Translator: Szőke Sándor Right Click; Copy shortcut; Ctnl-V: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I prefer the hyperlinked name of the translator in I18n to the Contact of the Credits page. The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation. The PayPal link at Donate is still busted (invisible, actually) on IE. Oh, I see you've just removed it! HTH, Angus Can you keep the footer information of the existing site? This stuff: [W3C XHTML] [W3C CSS] At least 8940277 hits on this page. Webmaster: lyx-devel at lists dot lyx dot org Page last updated on 2008-03-29 (year-month-day). Angus
Re: LyX site - left to do?
What happened to all the old news in at http://www.lyx.org/test/News? you mean this: http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap ? The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least some of them appear to be wrong: the address you indicate is imho correct. The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation. yes, this needs fix. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
What happened to all the old news in at http://www.lyx.org/test/News? you mean this: http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap ? erm, you mean something different, sorry. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Stefan
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Stefan Schimanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: Stefan Schimanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be similar to TeX. Herbert inline: LyX.png
Re: LyX site - left to do?
I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be similar to TeX. And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could help. i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif . pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Am 04.04.2008 um 12:41 schrieb Herbert Voss: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: Stefan Schimanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be similar to TeX. And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could help. Stefan
Re: View modes (Was: LyX site - left to do?)
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: Simply put, I think it's not neccessary to make the sidebar a compromise in terms of what we put there, in order to create a good side for different kinds of users. I would prefer a single site without complicated things like different modes or skins. Did you intend to write 'single site'? (It's still one site, regardless of the number of modes or views) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: View modes (Was: LyX site - left to do?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you intend to write 'single site'? (It's still one site, regardless of the number of modes or views) I mean a single mode. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:
- i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically
solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to
browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of
others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the
whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were
in that section. it becomes even worse once you get back, because we
dont have different link colors for already visited pages - you get
lost where you have (not) been.
maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do?
This can be done in several ways. If we exclude using Javascript etc,
here's one solution (there are more solutions):
For the pages that belong to some logical group, e.g. 'Development',
define a variable through
(:development: yes:)
Then in the side bar add something like this:
* [[Development | Development]]
(:if equal {*$:development} yes:)
** link-1
(:if:)
Now link-1 will only show up in the sidebar when the main page (i.e. not
the sidebar) has defined the 'page text variable' 'development' to 'yes'.
I've tested the above on e.g. the page
http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap
For reference on 'page text variables', see
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PageTextVariables
- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work
Eh...?
Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages?
That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard
practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come up
with a more typical way of doing what's needed.
/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be similar to TeX. And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could help. i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif . Oh, now I understand what you meant about installing it... Would like me to set it up through an alternative skin so that people can compare them? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were in that section. This can be done in several ways. If we exclude using Javascript etc, here's one solution (there are more solutions): If we add such subitems they should be clearly separated from the normal items. I don't think it will improve usability though, because the menu becomes more difficult to use. Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages? That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come up with a more typical way of doing what's needed. They can safely be removed. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: I think the e-mail addresses aren't shown correctly though, e.g. Enrico's address is as follows forenr%20%20tlc%20!%20unipr%20!%20it (see the page http://www.lyx.org/test/I18n ). Will you look at it, or should I? (I can do it during the weekend) this is intended, we are protecting emails before spam robots. pavel Ok... /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Angus Leeming wrote: The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least some of them appear to be wrong: That's just the e-mail address which in given in the list of translators. I prefer the hyperlinked name of the translator in I18n to the Contact of the Credits page. The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation. Both fixed. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Would like me to set it up through an alternative skin so that people can compare them? thats wasting of your time. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Christian, would it be possible to have 'All recent changes' as we have in wiki so one have quick review what is happening on the pages? http://www.lyx.org/test/RecentChanges The Site/AllRecentChanges is accessible through the wiki entry point, i.e. go through http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Site/AllRecentChanges /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: 3. Its good habit to have site map (but this has to be created at the end, when the structure is fixed). The wiki can do this automatically. It can be done manually, semi-automatically or automatically with varying results. We can just create the page manually as a bullet list * adsfa ** asdfas ** asdfasd ** asdfa * asdfas and so forth. Or we can do it automatically, e.g. through (:pagelist group=Main fmt=#titleasspaced :) This will however sort the pages alphabetically IIRC. A semi-automatic method would be something like this: !! General pages... (:pagelist group=Main $:general=yes :) !! Development pages (:pagelist group=Main $:development=yes :) and so forth. This requires us to put a 'page text variable' on each page, where that variable is referred to by the pagelist command. See my other post regarding the sidebar, and using a page text variable to show more stuff in the sidebar when viewing a certain set of pages. It's also possible to use page text variables to control the order in which the generated lists are sorted, e.g. through (:pagelist group=Main $:development=yes order=$:development :) See http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PageLists Finally, we can actually control how each 'item' in the output from (:pagelist:) is formatted. We could probably define our own custom pagelist format that all we want. Anyway, given the size of our site, we could probably get away with just a manually created 'site map'. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Anyway, given the size of our site, we could probably get away with just a manually created 'site map'. i think too. btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page before. is this fixable? pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work Eh...? how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without renaming the whole site? pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Pavel Sanda wrote: i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif . I prefer this. The other one looks to googlish. Jürgen
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jürgen Spitzmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pavel Sanda wrote: i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif . I prefer this. The other one looks to googlish. I also prefer the block cartoonish letters. JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Stefan Schimanski wrote: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Done. News items are dynamically created based on news.inc. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stefan Schimanski wrote: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Done. News items are dynamically created based on news.inc. Great! Could the 'recent news' header by clickable and lead to news? Or alternatively could you add a 'all news...' link at the bottom? JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Great! Could the 'recent news' header by clickable and lead to news? Or alternatively could you add a 'all news...' link at the bottom? Done. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: I prefer this. The other one looks to googlish. What about using Computer Modern (see the site)? Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg wrote: What about using Computer Modern (see the site)? I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds me too much on Google. Jürgen
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jürgen Spitzmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joost Verburg wrote: What about using Computer Modern (see the site)? I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds me too much on Google. What was wrong with the block letters? Not boring enough to look serious? JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages? That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come up with a more typical way of doing what's needed. /Christian No real purpose; that's just what I copied from the old pages on www.lyx.org when I was converting them to wiki format. Rex
Re: LyX site - left to do?
What about using Computer Modern (see the site)? I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds me too much on Google. What was wrong with the block letters? Not boring enough to look serious? i guess we are in a new loop about logo flame from users list, with the same actors, except Andre was alternated by Juergen :)) pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Joost Verburg wrote: What about using Computer Modern (see the site)? I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds me too much on Google. With this font and typography it's doesn't look similar to Google in my opinion, more similar to the TeX logo. The cartoon letters make the whole thing look unprofessional again. Now we finally have a more professional website, that would be a shame. I'm open to suggestions, but please consider something else than a cartoon style. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The cartoon letters make the whole thing look unprofessional again. Now we finally have a more professional website, that would be a shame. Could you recall what you mean by 'professional'? Webster tells me among other things: (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace Is it what we want to do? Do you have the army of business professional to fulfill this promise? BTW, is the linux logo fitting your definition of professional? Now that we have a professional website, it would be a shame not to add something that catches a bit the eye. It is good to keep impurities in shiny designs (how do you think one gets pearls?). JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: - the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work Eh...? how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without renaming the whole site? The directive '(:title ... :)' is not for the entire site, it's only for the current wiki page. Does that help? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote: Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages? No real purpose; that's just what I copied from the old pages on www.lyx.org when I was converting them to wiki format. Oh, good. Then we can just remove as we go along then. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work Eh...? how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without renaming the whole site? The directive '(:title ... :)' is not for the entire site, it's only for the current wiki page. Does that help? ah, now i understand the confusion. i want the title not in the window title, but the title closely above '* View * Edit * History * Print * Logout' line. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg wrote: I'm open to suggestions, but please consider something else than a cartoon style. I think the cartoon style is just perfect. Jürgen
Alternative header (Was: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: Would like me to set it up through an alternative skin so that people can compare them? thats wasting of your time. Ok, I did however put the headers on a single page, for easier comparison: http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Test/Header I don't think I have an opinion here really... they're .. just different. :-) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
The cartoon letters make the whole thing look unprofessional again. ... I'm open to suggestions, but please consider something else than a cartoon style. your efforts to push away the logo we have now are based on reasons on which i can't agree. nobody is doing on lyx from his profession nor i don't see any ambition to move our target from the current one to professional businessmen. also i think this project profit more from nonserious and creative-like audience than from the audience you are targeting (havent seen a single businessman contributing with his stuff on our dev-list so far and for the first time _seriously_ doubt this will ever happen :) pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page before. is this fixable? Could you give me a specific sequence to test, so that I can try and repeat your problem? I don't think I've noticed something like that before, so it might just be your browser..? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: Done. News items are dynamically created based on news.inc. Joost Great! Would you mind writing down somewhere roughly how it's done? I'm using this page (although it's lagging quite a bit by now!) http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Site/Configuration In practice, I guess this is a matter of making a note of what script you've created, and where it's located. Maintenance is annoying without such information. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In practice, I guess this is a matter of making a note of what script you've created, and where it's located. Maintenance is annoying without such information. All my scripts are located in the pmwiki cookbook. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page before. is this fixable? Could you give me a specific sequence to test, so that I can try and repeat your problem? I don't think I've noticed something like that before, so it might just be your browser..? thats possible (firefox 2.0.0.13 here). sequence: 1. click on news 2. go to the bottom of page and choose some working link (e.g. the LyX ftp site. from October 4, 1999) 3. after coming to ftp push the Back button in broswer and your are on the top of the new page instead of bottom. can you reproduce? pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: - the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work Eh...? how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without renaming the whole site? The directive '(:title ... :)' is not for the entire site, it's only for the current wiki page. Does that help? ah, now i understand the confusion. i want the title not in the window title, but the title closely above '* View * Edit * History * Print * Logout' line. Ah, now I also understand the confusion. The directive '(:title ... :)' _should_ modify the title. However, I suspect that Joost's template doesn't use the correct variables or something. Compare with this page (where I'm using the skin 'pmwiki'): http://www.lyx.org/test/Test?skin=pmwiki Joost, could you compare http://www.lyx.org/test/pub/skins/pmwiki/pmwiki.tmpl with http://www.lyx.org/test/pub/skins/lyx/lyx.tmpl to see how the default PmWiki template does it. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Pavel Sanda wrote: your efforts to push away the logo we have now are based on reasons on which i can't agree. nobody is doing on lyx from his profession nor i don't see any ambition to move our target from the current one to professional businessmen. I'm not talking about businessmen. I think our site should make it clear that LyX is a professional piece of software. That is, stable and well-designed software with proper quality assurance. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: BTW, is the linux logo fitting your definition of professional? You mean the Linux mascot? We already have such a mascot with a cartoon style. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page before. is this fixable? Could you give me a specific sequence to test, so that I can try and repeat your problem? I don't think I've noticed something like that before, so it might just be your browser..? thats possible (firefox 2.0.0.13 here). sequence: 1. click on news 2. go to the bottom of page and choose some working link (e.g. the LyX ftp site. from October 4, 1999) 3. after coming to ftp push the Back button in broswer and your are on the top of the new page instead of bottom. In Opera 9.26 I get back to the where I was... In Firefox it doesn't work ... I have no idea why, shouldn't this be something the browser deals with? I don't _think_ this has much to do with our stuff though, I'd say it's a bug in the browser. I suggest we just leave it for now. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In practice, I guess this is a matter of making a note of what script you've created, and where it's located. Maintenance is annoying without such information. All my scripts are located in the pmwiki cookbook. The farm's cookbook directory? Could you just add a list about the names of each script, not all scripts in cookbook/ might actually be used by the 'main' wiki. I made a section for custom scripts http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Site/Configuration#toc5 /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
I'm not talking about businessmen. but the word professional indicate to it. That is, stable and well-designed software with proper quality assurance. i guess you will have hard time to demonstrate how the current logo shows bad design of software. apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies that developers simply *like* the logo :) pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The directive '(:title ... :)' _should_ modify the title. However, I suspect that Joost's template doesn't use the correct variables or something. Fixed. Joost
Footer info (Was: LyX site - left to do?)
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Angus Leeming wrote: Can you keep the footer information of the existing site? This stuff: [W3C XHTML] [W3C CSS] At least 8940277 hits on this page. Webmaster: lyx-devel at lists dot lyx dot org Page last updated on 2008-03-29 (year-month-day). I create the page Main/GroupFooter and put it there, at least it's something although it doesn't look that great from a layout perspective. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Footer info (Was: LyX site - left to do?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create the page Main/GroupFooter and put it there, at least it's something although it doesn't look that great from a layout perspective. I prefer not to have a footer at all. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
In Opera 9.26 I get back to the where I was... In Firefox it doesn't work ... I have no idea why, shouldn't this be something the browser deals with? on another pages it works (including wikipedia), so i guessed it has something to do with our stuff. I don't _think_ this has much to do with our stuff though, I'd say it's a bug in the browser. I suggest we just leave it for now. if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry for firefox. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Pavel Sanda wrote: i guess you will have hard time to demonstrate how the current logo shows bad design of software. It looks like the logo of a small hobby project. apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies that developers simply *like* the logo :) The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially new users. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg wrote: The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially new users. but in the end, the developers will decide. Jürgen
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: BTW, is the linux logo fitting your definition of professional? You mean the Linux mascot? We already have such a mascot with a cartoon style. I meant that it failed to make the serious people run away :) JMarc
Re: Alternative header (Was: LyX site - left to do?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, I did however put the headers on a single page, for easier comparison: http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Test/Header I don't think I have an opinion here really... they're .. just different. :-) I would add to my previous ramblings that the cartoonish logo has a better design in my opinion. It is the one that looks like it was created by a professional designer, although it is not the one that makes us look serious. The best maths presentations I have seen were by very strong people who pretended to do easy things and tried to dumb them down to be to understandable. Trying to look serious is not the only strategy. JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds me too much on Google. What do you think about upright block letters with shadow (see site)? Is that a good compromise between the current logo and a bit more professional look? Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies that developers simply *like* the logo :) The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially new users. no. while it important what users think and advice, most important is what developers think about it, because its after all their work which is to be presented by that logo. you say you are not talking about bussiness and on the other hand you propose exactly the model from the bussiness world, where the consumer dictates. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
I prefer the block letters. The serif letters with these colors still reminds me too much on Google. What do you think about upright block letters with shadow (see site)? Is that a good compromise between the current logo and a bit more professional look? you are tough guy :)) my vote goes to our small hobby project logo. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Pavel Sanda wrote: no. while it important what users think and advice, most important is what developers think about it, because its after all their work which is to be presented by that logo. you say you are not talking about bussiness and on the other hand you propose exactly the model from the bussiness world, where the consumer dictates. All new developers start as being a consumer. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
All new developers start as being a consumer. and the key point is, they continue to be users. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg wrote: What do you think about upright block letters with shadow (see site)? Is that a good compromise between the current logo and a bit more professional look? I like the shadow, but I still prefer the old one. On yours, the spacing between the letters is too wide, and I also prefer the old to the upright setting. Jürgen
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: I like the shadow, but I still prefer the old one. On yours, the spacing between the letters is too wide, and I also prefer the old to the upright setting. All right. The old one is back. Joost
Re: Footer info (Was: LyX site - left to do?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Angus Leeming wrote: Can you keep the footer information of the existing site? This stuff: [W3C XHTML] [W3C CSS] At least 8940277 hits on this page. Webmaster: lyx-devel at lists dot lyx dot org Page last updated on 2008-03-29 (year-month-day). I create the page Main/GroupFooter and put it there, at least it's something although it doesn't look that great from a layout perspective. This counter should be dynamic and not a hard-coded number. I've the disabled the footer for now. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Please let me know if there is still anything that needs to be done before the site can go live. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On 2 apr 2008, at 19.09, Rex C. Eastbourne wrote: I think those are good points, Anders. I took out the Additional Software link that I put in the sidebar, since it's linked to on the downloads page. As for the Mac-specific changes, maybe you or someone else familiar with Mac aspects can make those changes, since I'm not familiar with the Mac installation process. Rex I did some few additional changes (noted that TeX should be installed *first* and corrected the link to the Wiki). /Anders
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: In Opera 9.26 I get back to the where I was... In Firefox it doesn't work ... I have no idea why, shouldn't this be something the browser deals with? on another pages it works (including wikipedia), so i guessed it has something to do with our stuff. I don't _think_ this has much to do with our stuff though, I'd say it's a bug in the browser. I suggest we just leave it for now. if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry for firefox. See if it makes a differen when you append ?skin=pmwiki If that helps, it's probably something to do with the lyx skin. /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Pavel Sanda wrote: if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry for firefox. It's indeed a Firefox bug. Works fine in Internet Explorer. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 05:27:01PM +0200, Joost Verburg wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: i guess you will have hard time to demonstrate how the current logo shows bad design of software. It looks like the logo of a small hobby project. It is a small hobby project. apart from all reasoning there is also good indication from the replies that developers simply *like* the logo :) The most important thing is what the users think about it, especially new users. Users? Andre'
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 06:05:33PM +0200, Joost Verburg wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: no. while it important what users think and advice, most important is what developers think about it, because its after all their work which is to be presented by that logo. you say you are not talking about bussiness and on the other hand you propose exactly the model from the bussiness world, where the consumer dictates. All new developers start as being a consumer. Almost right. Developers start as being an _annoyed_ consumer. Andre'
Re: LyX site - left to do?
if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry for firefox. It's indeed a Firefox bug. Works fine in Internet Explorer. reported. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
If that helps, it's probably something to do with the lyx skin. no it does not. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Friday 04 April 2008 18:46:56 Pavel Sanda wrote: if someone confirms that it works in i.explorer i can file bugz entry for firefox. It's indeed a Firefox bug. Works fine in Internet Explorer. The same problem persists in Firefox 3 beta 5 but not in konqueror 4.0.3. :-) reported. pavel -- José Abílio
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Joost Verburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: I like the shadow, but I still prefer the old one. On yours, the spacing between the letters is too wide, and I also prefer the old to the upright setting. All right. The old one is back. Thanks a lot. JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Angus Leeming wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: I think we're ready to go live. just few bits i've found during scanning the whole structure: - what is lyx, features, get involved pages, donate contain unreadbale chars (copyright sign Lars name,...) - whats is lyx - credits links at the end will be b0rken once pages are official - the picture in the begining of features is visually disturbing - i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were in that section. it becomes even worse once you get back, because we dont have different link colors for already visited pages - you get lost where you have (not) been. maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do? - the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work - if you dont see some reason to keep green sections in TODO i think it will be good to remove them for better overview. - the 'Latest Changes' item is misguiding. but i'm not sure what will be better- 'Trac' or 'Timeline / Browser'. another proposals? pavel What happened to all the old news in at http://www.lyx.org/test/News? The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least some of them appear to be wrong: Translator: Szőke Sándor Right Click; Copy shortcut; Ctnl-V: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I prefer the hyperlinked name of the translator in I18n to the "Contact" of the Credits page. The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation. The PayPal link at Donate is still busted (invisible, actually) on IE. Oh, I see you've just removed it! HTH, Angus Can you keep the footer information of the existing site? This stuff: [W3C XHTML] [W3C CSS] At least 8940277 hits on this page. Webmaster: lyx-devel at lists dot lyx dot org Page last updated on 2008-03-29 (year-month-day). Angus
Re: LyX site - left to do?
> What happened to all the old news in at > http://www.lyx.org/test/News? you mean this: http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap ? > The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least some > of them appear to be wrong: the address you indicate is imho correct. > The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation. yes, this needs fix. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
> > What happened to all the old news in at > > http://www.lyx.org/test/News? > > you mean this: http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap ? erm, you mean something different, sorry. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Stefan
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Stefan Schimanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, >> we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? > > Maybe this was discussed before: > > Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to > go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's > going on with the project. At least a three line news section with > just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. > People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting > updated is one too much. Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. JMarc
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: Stefan Schimanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be similar to TeX. Herbert <>
Re: LyX site - left to do?
> I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, > we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. >>> Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. >> >> btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, >> it should be similar to TeX. > > And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey > background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could help. i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif . pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Am 04.04.2008 um 12:41 schrieb Herbert Voss: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes schrieb: Stefan Schimanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Am 01.04.2008 um 22:53 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Maybe this was discussed before: Putting the News just on separate page is a very bad idea. I want to go to http://www.lyx.org/ and get an overview immediately about what's going on with the project. At least a three line news section with just the headings, linked to the real new page, would be enough IMO. People on the internet are lazy and every additional click for getting updated is one too much. Yes, we need this thing back. And we need the old news back IMO. btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be similar to TeX. And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could help. Stefan
Re: View modes (Was: LyX site - left to do?)
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: Simply put, I think it's not neccessary to make the sidebar a compromise in terms of what we put there, in order to create a good side for different kinds of users. I would prefer a single site without complicated things like different modes or skins. Did you intend to write 'single site'? (It's still one site, regardless of the number of modes or views) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: View modes (Was: LyX site - left to do?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you intend to write 'single site'? (It's still one site, regardless of the number of modes or views) I mean a single mode. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:
- i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically
solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to
browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of
others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the
whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were
in that section. it becomes even worse once you get back, because we
dont have different link colors for already visited pages - you get
lost where you have (not) been.
maybe Christian will know some wiki magic how to do?
This can be done in several ways. If we exclude using Javascript etc,
here's one solution (there are more solutions):
For the pages that belong to some logical group, e.g. 'Development',
define a variable through
(:development: yes:)
Then in the side bar add something like this:
* [[Development | Development]]
(:if equal "{*$:development}" "yes":)
** link-1
(:if:)
Now link-1 will only show up in the sidebar when the main page (i.e. not
the sidebar) has defined the 'page text variable' 'development' to 'yes'.
I've tested the above on e.g. the page
http://www.lyx.org/test/RoadMap
For reference on 'page text variables', see
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PageTextVariables
- the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work
Eh...?
Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages?
That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard
practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come up
with a more typical way of doing what's needed.
/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: btw: LyX in the upper left corner is not correct typeset, it should be similar to TeX. And it still needs much more contrast. It really feels lost in the grey background because the font is quite thin. Some shadow or so could help. i've suggested the current logo, but Joost didn't like it and nobody else commented http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif . Oh, now I understand what you meant about installing it... Would like me to set it up through an alternative skin so that people can compare them? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - i experienced one annoyance, but it may be difficult to automatically solve it: for example go to About LyX section. you get some links to browse through but once you click on some, you lose the context of others. this was much more naturally solved in old pages, where the whole subsctructure uncollapses and stays uncollapsed until your were in that section. This can be done in several ways. If we exclude using Javascript etc, here's one solution (there are more solutions): If we add such subitems they should be clearly separated from the normal items. I don't think it will improve usability though, because the menu becomes more difficult to use. Why is there a H1-header at the top of most pages? That's not so good for different reason, better to keep with standard practices here. If someone explains it's purpose, I can probably come up with a more typical way of doing what's needed. They can safely be removed. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: I think the e-mail addresses aren't shown correctly though, e.g. Enrico's address is as follows forenr%20%20tlc%20!%20unipr%20!%20it (see the page http://www.lyx.org/test/I18n ). Will you look at it, or should I? (I can do it during the weekend) this is intended, we are protecting emails before spam robots. pavel Ok... /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
Angus Leeming wrote: The email addresses at I18n are obfuscated nicely. However, at least some of them appear to be wrong: That's just the e-mail address which in given in the list of translators. I prefer the hyperlinked name of the translator in I18n to the "Contact" of the Credits page. The BlanketPermission page doesn't have any obfuscation. Both fixed. Joost
Re: LyX site - left to do?
> Would like me to set it up through an alternative skin so that people can > compare them? thats wasting of your time. pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: Pavel Sanda wrote: I've talked to Andrei, Rex etc and from a design point of view, we're ready to go live. So what else is missing before a release? Christian, would it be possible to have 'All recent changes' as we have in wiki so one have quick review what is happening on the pages? http://www.lyx.org/test/RecentChanges The Site/AllRecentChanges is accessible through the wiki entry point, i.e. go through http://www.lyx.org/test/wiki/index.php/Site/AllRecentChanges /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008, Joost Verburg wrote: 3. Its good habit to have site map (but this has to be created at the end, when the structure is fixed). The wiki can do this automatically. It can be done manually, semi-automatically or automatically with varying results. We can just create the page manually as a bullet list * adsfa ** asdfas ** asdfasd ** asdfa * asdfas and so forth. Or we can do it automatically, e.g. through (:pagelist group=Main fmt=#titleasspaced :) This will however sort the pages alphabetically IIRC. A semi-automatic method would be something like this: !! General pages... (:pagelist group=Main $:general=yes :) !! Development pages (:pagelist group=Main $:development=yes :) and so forth. This requires us to put a 'page text variable' on each page, where that variable is referred to by the pagelist command. See my other post regarding the sidebar, and using a page text variable to show more stuff in the sidebar when viewing a certain set of pages. It's also possible to use page text variables to control the order in which the generated lists are sorted, e.g. through (:pagelist group=Main $:development=yes order=$:development :) See http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/PageLists Finally, we can actually control how each 'item' in the output from (:pagelist:) is formatted. We could probably define our own custom pagelist format that all we want. Anyway, given the size of our site, we could probably get away with just a manually created 'site map'. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: LyX site - left to do?
> Anyway, given the size of our site, we could probably get away with just a > manually created 'site map'. i think too. btw another annoyance with both wiki's is that my browser is not remembering the position on the page i came from. so when i hit the back navigating button i have to seek position where i was on the page before. is this fixable? pavel
Re: LyX site - left to do?
>> - the proposed trick with (:title :) doesn't work > > Eh...? how i change the titke of Roadmap and into News and Roadmap without renaming the whole site? pavel
