Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 This will break again the documents that I recently fixed (in a 
 suboptimal way) for LyX2.0.5 ?

Which ones? I don't think this will break anything, though (unless people now 
manually call babel with fixed options).

 Can't we have an option Use Babel even for English documents and turn 
 it on by default ?

Don't think that's needed. We have the option Language Package none, which 
can be used to create english documents without babel.

Jürgen



Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote:
 (It isn't, by the 
 way, entirely clear that it is our bug, but it is problematic, as it 
 breaks Koma compilation with some documents.)

It's not our bug, and actually, the current behavior (no babel for English-
only documents) always was the intended behavior according to the source. Only 
because the language package logic was completely upside down (something I 
fixed for 2.0.5), babel was loaded nevertheless. But then, people are now used 
to this obviously.

As far as KOMA-Letter is concerned (only the letter class is affected!), the 
KOMA maintainer told me that is is a long-known bug, but he considers it 
cosmetic. So the chance this gets fixed in KOMA soon is not high.

Jürgen


Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote:
 I am intending to release 2.0.6 as soon as we can, due to bug #8423, now 
 fixed in branch. If you have any string-changing commits you'd like to 
 make, please make them as soon as possible. I'll announce the string 
 freeze around Christmas.

Is there a decision whether the revised layouts (moderncv et al) should stay 
in branch? These affect the strings.

Jürgen


Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Richard Heck wrote:
  I am intending to release 2.0.6 as soon as we can, due to bug #8423, now 
  fixed in branch. If you have any string-changing commits you'd like to 
  make, please make them as soon as possible. I'll announce the string 
  freeze around Christmas.
 
 Is there a decision whether the revised layouts (moderncv et al) should stay 
 in branch? These affect the strings.

The alternative is to release 2.0.5.1 with only this bug fix; we already did
such kind of release in the past. 
Pavel


Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> This will break again the documents that I recently fixed (in a 
> suboptimal way) for LyX2.0.5 ?

Which ones? I don't think this will break anything, though (unless people now 
manually call babel with fixed options).

> Can't we have an option "Use Babel even for English documents" and turn 
> it on by default ?

Don't think that's needed. We have the option "Language Package none", which 
can be used to create english documents without babel.

Jürgen



Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote:
> (It isn't, by the 
> way, entirely clear that it is our bug, but it is problematic, as it 
> breaks Koma compilation with some documents.)

It's not our bug, and actually, the current behavior (no babel for English-
only documents) always was the intended behavior according to the source. Only 
because the language package logic was completely upside down (something I 
fixed for 2.0.5), babel was loaded nevertheless. But then, people are now used 
to this obviously.

As far as KOMA-Letter is concerned (only the letter class is affected!), the 
KOMA maintainer told me that is is a long-known bug, but he considers it 
"cosmetic". So the chance this gets fixed in KOMA soon is not high.

Jürgen


Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote:
> I am intending to release 2.0.6 as soon as we can, due to bug #8423, now 
> fixed in branch. If you have any string-changing commits you'd like to 
> make, please make them as soon as possible. I'll announce the string 
> freeze around Christmas.

Is there a decision whether the revised layouts (moderncv et al) should stay 
in branch? These affect the strings.

Jürgen


Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-23 Thread Pavel Sanda
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Richard Heck wrote:
> > I am intending to release 2.0.6 as soon as we can, due to bug #8423, now 
> > fixed in branch. If you have any string-changing commits you'd like to 
> > make, please make them as soon as possible. I'll announce the string 
> > freeze around Christmas.
> 
> Is there a decision whether the revised layouts (moderncv et al) should stay 
> in branch? These affect the strings.

The alternative is to release 2.0.5.1 with only this bug fix; we already did
such kind of release in the past. 
Pavel


Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-22 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn

Op 22-12-2012 17:40, Richard Heck schreef:


I am intending to release 2.0.6 as soon as we can, due to bug #8423, 
now fixed in branch. If you have any string-changing commits you'd 
like to make, please make them as soon as possible. I'll announce the 
string freeze around Christmas.


I know the timing is bad, but the bug is bad, too. (It isn't, by the 
way, entirely clear that it is our bug, but it is problematic, as it 
breaks Koma compilation with some documents.)




This will break again the documents that I recently fixed (in a 
suboptimal way) for LyX2.0.5 ?


Can't we have an option Use Babel even for English documents and turn 
it on by default ?


Vincent


Re: Impending String Freeze

2012-12-22 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn

Op 22-12-2012 17:40, Richard Heck schreef:


I am intending to release 2.0.6 as soon as we can, due to bug #8423, 
now fixed in branch. If you have any string-changing commits you'd 
like to make, please make them as soon as possible. I'll announce the 
string freeze around Christmas.


I know the timing is bad, but the bug is bad, too. (It isn't, by the 
way, entirely clear that it is our bug, but it is problematic, as it 
breaks Koma compilation with some documents.)




This will break again the documents that I recently fixed (in a 
suboptimal way) for LyX2.0.5 ?


Can't we have an option "Use Babel even for English documents" and turn 
it on by default ?


Vincent