Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Did you finally succeed? Martin> Yes. Martin> Helsinki-Paris (CDG) July 14 9:30-11:35 Paris-Helsinki July 18 Martin> 12:25-16:25 That is perfect. Martin> So, what should I bring? Sleeping bag? Yes, a sleeping bag would be nice. Martin> I don't own a laptop. I think it will not be a problem. JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:18:28AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Assuming this is 'hard' now... I'll book my tickets tomorrow > >> evening. > > Martin> This sounds so simple, doesn't it... > > Did you finally succeed? Yes. Helsinki-Paris (CDG) July 14 9:30-11:35 Paris-Helsinki July 18 12:25-16:25 The Flying Blue server mess seems to have been sorted out, and they were very helpful on the phone... atonement, I suppose ;-) So, what should I bring? Sleeping bag? I don't own a laptop. - Martin pgpeTqv6fI8KH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:39:57PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:36:22AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > I tried first to book through KLM, where my wife has a substantial > > number of fly miles that will soon expire. This was last Sunday evening. > > The KLM bonus programme threw me to Air France, where the trouble > > started. How do these folks manage to operate aircraft, when they don't > > even manage servers on the Earth's surface? > > Well... Air France is fun. > > Aircraft on runway, strange noises from below. Pilot speaks (in English, > no less...) "There are some problems with the computer. We will restart > it and if that doesn't work, we'll call an engineer." > > It seemed to have worked. No engineer needed. > > On the day of the return flight there was a strike of ground personnel > scheduled to start at 12. Flight was supposed to leave at 11 something. > I called there the day before and was told that, of course, our flight > will be ok. > > We spent two more days in Porto... There are worse places to spend two more days in ;-) - Martin pgpvJlD682iDt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:36:22AM +0300, Martin Vermeer wrote: > I tried first to book through KLM, where my wife has a substantial > number of fly miles that will soon expire. This was last Sunday evening. > The KLM bonus programme threw me to Air France, where the trouble > started. How do these folks manage to operate aircraft, when they don't > even manage servers on the Earth's surface? Well... Air France is fun. Aircraft on runway, strange noises from below. Pilot speaks (in English, no less...) "There are some problems with the computer. We will restart it and if that doesn't work, we'll call an engineer." It seemed to have worked. No engineer needed. On the day of the return flight there was a strike of ground personnel scheduled to start at 12. Flight was supposed to leave at 11 something. I called there the day before and was told that, of course, our flight will be ok. We spent two more days in Porto... Andre'
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Assuming this is 'hard' now... I'll book my tickets tomorrow >> evening. Martin> This sounds so simple, doesn't it... Did you finally succeed? JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Remind me to tell you all about an earlier disaster visit to Paris, with | Sabena. After a few beers ;-) I just got my ticket from kilroy. You do have that in finland don't you? (at least a finnish server was involved when I ordered) http://www.kilroy.fi/ Nice and easy it was. (but hard to use the Milage Bonus I guess...) -- Lgb
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 22:53, Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 11:31:15PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Lars> So July 14-18 (the 16. weekend) it is? > > > > Yes sir! > > > > JMarc > > Assuming this is 'hard' now... I'll book my tickets tomorrow evening. This sounds so simple, doesn't it... I tried first to book through KLM, where my wife has a substantial number of fly miles that will soon expire. This was last Sunday evening. The KLM bonus programme threw me to Air France, where the trouble started. How do these folks manage to operate aircraft, when they don't even manage servers on the Earth's surface? All the pages were slow like syrup. Finally I got to the place where I should specify the flight date and how many persons. Pressing "confirm", and up came an error message "The server refused to process your..." whatever... "(SERVER_RESPONSE_CLOSE)". Trying again and again. But then, it was Sunday evening, St. Murphy's Day, patron saint of malfunctioning servers, blessed be thee. Gave up and decided to return to the matter on Monday evening. Same failure. Sent a mail to the systems people "get your #¤%& server working". Tried again Tuesday morning (today). Suddenly it worked, the error message had gone. I managed to enter the flights, the flight times, that I want my ticket in the mail, and even my credit card details (for the airport tax). Pressing the final "confirm": "We're sorry, the server cannot handle..." whatever. Trying again and again. Same result. Entering credit card data again; same result. Again and again. Then, suddenly: no error message. Just an empty page. No confirmation. Has this order gone through, finally? I decide to phone and check. First the KLM number in Helsinki. Opens 8:30, but I get an automated response "We're sorry...". After 9:00 I get through to a carbon-based life form: "How can I be of service?". I explain the situation. - "When are you flying and at what time?" She wants to check the passenger lists. "Helsinki-Amsterdam? ...Helsinki-Paris, I see. Is that a direct flight? ... I see. I cannot look at the passenger lists from here, it's a Finnair/Air France code share flight. I'll give you the number of the points people, they should be able to help." Phoning the points people. English or French? I choose English, which is more or less what I get ;-) Explaining everything again to the guy. He asks the KLM bonus card number, my wife's name and address (happens to be the same as my own, a handy mnemonic circumstance) and then asks - "is that a Flying Dutchman card?" I say, yes. - "Ah, so you're not a Flying Blue member yet?" No, I say. - "You see," he proceeds to explain, "we are transferring everybody from Flying Dutchman to Flying Blue. Just these days." I am beginning to realise something. - "Is that why the servers are slow/not working?" He doesn't comment on that. - "You see, I cannot now look into the Flying Dutchman booking lists. This transfert will take a few days..." - "How many days?" - "You could call back in three days or so." OK... I'll do that. Four hours used up and counting. GROWL!!! Remind me to tell you all about an earlier disaster visit to Paris, with Sabena. After a few beers ;-) - Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Michael" == Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> Hello Michael, >> >> Do you have a more precise idea of when you will be coming? >> >> Michael> I just bought my ticket. I will arrive at Gare du Nord on Michael> 16.07. at 13:05 and leave on 17.07. at 17:55. It is a very Michael> short visit but I think it's worth the effort! It is short indeed :) We'll try to make the most of it. Michael> Eventually, you should give me some instructions on how to Michael> get to your apartment. Is there an affordable hotel around Michael> the corner? I will send you some instructions. No need to look for an hotel, I will provide accommodation, unless you *really* insist... JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Hello Michael, Do you have a more precise idea of when you will be coming? I just bought my ticket. I will arrive at Gare du Nord on 16.07. at 13:05 and leave on 17.07. at 17:55. It is a very short visit but I think it's worth the effort! Eventually, you should give me some instructions on how to get to your apartment. Is there an affordable hotel around the corner? Regards, Michael
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
What do you mean my flight dates/times? Arrival in Paris evening the 14th, departure evening the 18th :) I will check back with you as soon as I have all plans ready, for the moment I just booked the flight (77 €). ~Jürgen Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Juergen" == Juergen Vigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Juergen> I already bought my tickets today, so most probably we will Juergen> meet up in Paris #:O) ~Jürgen Great! When? JMarc -- -._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._ Dr. Jürgen VignaE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mitterstrich 151/A I-39050 SteineggWeb: http://www.lyx.org/~jug -._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Juergen" == Juergen Vigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Juergen> I already bought my tickets today, so most probably we will Juergen> meet up in Paris #:O) ~Jürgen Great! When? JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
I already bought my tickets today, so most probably we will meet up in Paris #:O) ~Jürgen -- -._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._ Dr. Jürgen VignaE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mitterstrich 151/A I-39050 SteineggWeb: http://www.lyx.org/~jug -._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 11:31:15PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Lars> So July 14-18 (the 16. weekend) it is? >> >> Yes sir! >> >> JMarc > | Assuming this is 'hard' now... I'll book my tickets tomorrow evening. I already got my tickets so hurry to it. -- Lgb
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 11:31:15PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Lars> So July 14-18 (the 16. weekend) it is? > > Yes sir! > > JMarc Assuming this is 'hard' now... I'll book my tickets tomorrow evening. Looking forward to it. - Martin pgpohfVY3B997.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> PS: this morning, I was triaging old papers and found ``Project >> LyX3'', ``Strings and encodings in LyX 1.2'' and ``Design and >> implementation of the data structure layer in the new LyX kernel'', >> all of them by the very esteemed Asger Alstrup Nielsen. These even >> sport nice tables and figures :) > | Yeah, and see how much of that effort materialised. It might have | influenced some things, but since then, I've learned to value the | agile manifesto: > | Prefer working software to comprehensive documentation. I belive the manifesto is a bit larger than that :-) But sure, documentation for documentations own sake is just wasted effort. (and can lead to problems...) -- Lgb
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: PS: this morning, I was triaging old papers and found ``Project LyX3'', ``Strings and encodings in LyX 1.2'' and ``Design and implementation of the data structure layer in the new LyX kernel'', all of them by the very esteemed Asger Alstrup Nielsen. These even sport nice tables and figures :) Yeah, and see how much of that effort materialised. It might have influenced some things, but since then, I've learned to value the agile manifesto: Prefer working software to comprehensive documentation. Regards, Asger
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> If the meeting had been at another point in time, I'd have no Asger> problem taking an expensive & bad connection to Paris, but Asger> since it's in the middle of my precious vacation, my tolerance Asger> is lower. Sure, I understand that. JMarc PS: this morning, I was triaging old papers and found ``Project LyX3'', ``Strings and encodings in LyX 1.2'' and ``Design and implementation of the data structure layer in the new LyX kernel'', all of them by the very esteemed Asger Alstrup Nielsen. These even sport nice tables and figures :)
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I was just gratuitously bitching about the flight to/from Paris, since you said yourself it was too slow and too expensive... Ah, I see. Yes, I'll just let you have all the pain :-) The only compensation is a hot climate, a nice swimming pool, a nice view, and all the Efes you can handle. If the meeting had been at another point in time, I'd have no problem taking an expensive & bad connection to Paris, but since it's in the middle of my precious vacation, my tolerance is lower. Regards, Asger
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Who knows what internet connection is available next year? Asger> Also, I'm consider X modems. They told me that each phone line Asger> is very cheap, so... I was just gratuitously bitching about the flight to/from Paris, since you said yourself it was too slow and too expensive... JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Who knows what internet connection is available next year? Also, I'm consider X modems. They told me that each phone line is very cheap, so... Regards, Asger
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> raki is the game with the turks. No thanks. I'll stick with Efes Pilsen. JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | Lars> Make a vacation out of it. Bring the wife and kids. > | But they are going to drink all the beer! raki is the game with the turks. -- Lgb
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> Make a vacation out of it. Bring the wife and kids. But they are going to drink all the beer! JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | Asger> I have not been able to find anything better either. I had | Asger> hoped there would be a fast & cheap connection, so that I could | Asger> come for a few days. Oh well, it is expensive, and the | Asger> connection is so slow. I've decided that I'd rather stay in | Asger> Turkey with my family this year. > | Too bad. > | Asger> That makes it two years where I've missed the LyX meeting. Sob, | Asger> sob. To compensate, I offer to host the meeting next year in | Asger> our new house in Turkey. > | So that we will all have to suffer this slow and expensive connection, | right? Make a vacation out of it. Bring the wife and kids. -- Lgb
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> I have not been able to find anything better either. I had Asger> hoped there would be a fast & cheap connection, so that I could Asger> come for a few days. Oh well, it is expensive, and the Asger> connection is so slow. I've decided that I'd rather stay in Asger> Turkey with my family this year. Too bad. Asger> That makes it two years where I've missed the LyX meeting. Sob, Asger> sob. To compensate, I offer to host the meeting next year in Asger> our new house in Turkey. So that we will all have to suffer this slow and expensive connection, right? JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Hi, Jean-Marc, I've been trying to find air tickets from Turkey Asger> to Paris and back, but I have a hard time to find anything Asger> useful. Maybe you know of some good web-sites with flights Asger> to/from France that can help? I took a look but the situation is not very good. The best I have been able to find is Turkish Airlines via Istambul for 470EUR I have not been able to find anything better either. I had hoped there would be a fast & cheap connection, so that I could come for a few days. Oh well, it is expensive, and the connection is so slow. I've decided that I'd rather stay in Turkey with my family this year. That makes it two years where I've missed the LyX meeting. Sob, sob. To compensate, I offer to host the meeting next year in our new house in Turkey. Regards, Asger
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Asger" == Asger Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Hi, Jean-Marc, I've been trying to find air tickets from Turkey Asger> to Paris and back, but I have a hard time to find anything Asger> useful. Maybe you know of some good web-sites with flights Asger> to/from France that can help? I took a look but the situation is not very good. The best I have been able to find is Turkish Airlines via Istambul for 470EUR Bodrum, Bodrum (Turquie) - Paris, Orly (France) 14/07/2005 à 05:00 14/07/2005 à 10:25 14/07/2005 à 08:55 14/07/2005 à 16:25 Paris, Orly (France) - Bodrum, Bodrum (Turquie) 18/07/2005 à 07:40 18/07/2005 à 15:40 This is using the french travel agency Nouvelles Frontieres. I do not know whether they sell outside of france. Asger> The best so far is a 6½ hour $600 flight over Istanbul found Asger> using travelocity.com (which was found using onetime.com). Asger> I would much prefer a direct flight from Milas to the closest Asger> airport to your place (Charles de Gaulle?). Milas is the name Asger> of the airport close to Bodrum. The closest airport is indeed Charles de Gaulle. Orly is farther, but there is a train (RER B) that goes to Gare du Nord (close to my place). You will see also Beauvais referred to as close to Paris, but this one is really too far. JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Hi, Jean-Marc, I've been trying to find air tickets from Turkey to Paris and back, but I have a hard time to find anything useful. Maybe you know of some good web-sites with flights to/from France that can help? The best so far is a 6½ hour $600 flight over Istanbul found using travelocity.com (which was found using onetime.com). I would much prefer a direct flight from Milas to the closest airport to your place (Charles de Gaulle?). Milas is the name of the airport close to Bodrum. Regards, Asger
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
On Wed, May 18, 2005 at 06:10:48PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Jean-Marc> So, which date shall we choose? For the first week-end, > Jean-Marc> July 15-19 would indeed be a little bit easier to organize, > Jean-Marc> since I am not sure when my little family will leave for > Jean-Marc> the holidays. Other than that, it's up to you. > > OK, it turns out that Juky 14-18 is OK too. Shall we select this date? Yes please. Andre'
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> So July 14-18 (the 16. weekend) it is? Yes sir! JMarc
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | Jean-Marc> So, which date shall we choose? For the first week-end, | Jean-Marc> July 15-19 would indeed be a little bit easier to organize, | Jean-Marc> since I am not sure when my little family will leave for | Jean-Marc> the holidays. Other than that, it's up to you. > | OK, it turns out that Juky 14-18 is OK too. Shall we select this date? > | Where are all the people who were eager to see the choice done? busy with "May 17." (our constitution day) So July 14-18 (the 16. weekend) it is? -- Lgb
Re: LyX meeting in Paris. What about July 14-18?
> "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jean-Marc> So, which date shall we choose? For the first week-end, Jean-Marc> July 15-19 would indeed be a little bit easier to organize, Jean-Marc> since I am not sure when my little family will leave for Jean-Marc> the holidays. Other than that, it's up to you. OK, it turns out that Juky 14-18 is OK too. Shall we select this date? Where are all the people who were eager to see the choice done? JMarc
