Re: Unfortunately i think i am giving up :( Was : ReCoping and pasting tables from SPSS
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:30:14 +0200 wrote Giovanni Tummarello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For how sad it seems i think i am back with word 2000 which works seamlessly in doing this kind of operations.. This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. Really this is not meant to be polemic or anything.. but i would be rather happy if someone offered me a good reason why does it stil lmake sense to use it under a windows environment. You are totally right, regarding the footnotes, section headers, etc. and I wonder why the manual still quotes all that (may be becouse at the time LaTeX was new, no other word processor could do this kind of stuff.) Also, as Windoof and Word come from the same manufacturer and SPSS for Windows is designed for seamless interaction with W..., using a designed for Unix program has drawbacks. Still, there are some advantage more than using a program without paying mony to the richest man in the world (some of them might not be applicable to you, of course): - the quality of math output is still better with TeX. - Once you learned to use BibTeX (or some GUI-variants like TkBibTeX), citations and the References are far more easy. (Although there are (shareware) macro-scripts for Bibliography for Word as well.) - More possibilities to tweak and twiddle (using raw LaTeX or TeX) - The file is stored in text format i.e. human readable and can be processed by any editor (if you know what you do and take care (e.g. backup before)) - The program runs very stable (at least on Unix) and if a crash happens, in most cases a valid emergency saving is done. (Also, if there goes something wrong with LaTeX, dvips, or printing, LyX will not be affected as these are independent programs - the original text is not at risc when doing preview or printing.) - Also, if the file is corrupted for some reason (e.g. foulty floppy), there is still a change that some stuff survived and can be reused. - No problems with big projects (doing a dissertation all in word is a risky task) - Friendly and prompt support in the lyx-users list! So the decision is up to you. I also depends on the context: Cooperation with word-only-users becomes difficult, cooperation with LaTeX users more easy. If you happen to have a Linux and a W... machine (or both OS on one), LyX has the advantage to run on both.) (Regarding the problem with SPSS tables, see my separat answer.) Guenter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Lyx: some questions and many thanks
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:52:09 +0200 wrote Uwe Grossmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks, that's much better! But ispell marked a word like Hallen as unknown and shows a list of known words. One is Halle+n Is there another option which I forgot to choose? I am not an expert with ispell, but here is my experience: Besides the dictionary of known words, ispell has some knowledge of flexion. As natural languages are ambique, however, it doesnot use this knowledge automatically but only for the suggestion of alternatives. If you are sure, that the suggestion is correct, you can add the word to your private dictionary and you will never again be asked for this one. (And thus, as the private dictionary grows, gradually the spellchecking will become less interactive) Also, did you try Zusammengeschriebene Wörter erlauben? (However, the chance of not recognized errors incrases as well, therefore compounds are normally not allowed but inserted to the dictionary as seperate units.) Günter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: ° in math-mode
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:46:49 +0200 wrote Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uwe Grossmann wrote: I can't find the 0 in math-mode on my keyboard (qwertz-latin1). So i hat to switch off the math-mode type 0 and switch back to math-mode. It's a little bit boaring. I know it's possible to use textcomp. It is fine, but I rather use my keycap 0 instead of typing \textdegree. Is there any reason for the absence of 0 in math-mode and how can I fix it? it's the shift of ^ on my keyboard and there are no problems in mathmode. it is Shift-^ on my keyboard as well, but it doesnot appear in math-mode. Even toggeling text-in-math does not help. E.g. Ctrl-M 15 Ctrl-M °C results in 15 C. (LyX 1.1.6fix2 under KDE, SuSE-Linux 6.4) Guenter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk.
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:32:45PM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: Hi. This seems to be a small problem. Lyx doesn't update the postscript correctly when the figures have been changed but the lyx file is not. In this case, I have to change the file before update postscript. Is it possible to make lyx behave like make so it automatically update the postscript with the file dependencies? It already does that. Upgrading to 1.1.6fix3 should solve your problem. (If you already using 1.1.6fix3, then you need to upgrade your compiler, assuming you compiled lyx yourself).
Re: Bizarre symptom -- no updated Postscript view
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 05:57:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, This is really bizarre. My View-Postscript, View-Update-Postscript, View-PDF, View-Update-PDF, View-DVI, and View-Update-DVI all show the file as it was when I started LyX. To get an accurate view I must quit LyX and then restart. I'm almost positive LyX used to update on the fly. I'm using 1.1.6fix1 and have not changed it. Upgrade to 1.1.6fix3.
Re: Why LyX?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:57:49PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: Oh yes, and there's the pretty PS/PDF output as well. An untutored eye may not immediately pick up on the difference between the same document in LyX-LaTeX-PS and a standard word-processor, but I think there's a subliminal effect ;-) you're kidding me ! I've turned tens of normal students onto lyx instead of word (even unix-hating students) entirely as a result of the output. Wow, that looks great, what did you use to make that ? john -- Do you mean to tell me that The Prince is not the set textbook for CS1072 Professional Issues ? What on earth do you learn in that course ? - David Lester
Re: Coping and pasting tables from SPSS
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 07:26:57PM +0200, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: I have tried alternative approaches.. SPSS offers me to save the table in text mode which is simply a ASCII formatted table assuming font is NON proportional. Needless to say LYX's no double space, no tab, no double enter basic rule is preventing this to work in any way. Why don't you simply convert this ASCII formatted table into some Tab sepearated table and read this into LyX's table? Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unfortunately i think i am giving up :( Was : ReCoping and pasting tables from SPSS
Le Mercredi 5 Septembre 2001 02:30, vous avez écrit : This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. For me the main difference is the wysiwym approach of LyX, when I used word I spended lots of time at changing some font size, modifying the tabbing, etc to make it look better, now with LyX I write my text then compile it and the predefined look of LaTeX make my doc look quite better than I would have did it myself. The other main advantage for me is that LyX is some kind of LaTeX front-end and one can use plain LaTeX (or even TeX for the most advanced) commands in the document wich have frequently allowed me to do thing that would have been a pain with a wysiwyg wordprocessor. -- Je ne suis pas une fufeuse qualifiée, mais il me semble que ce bourrage d'urnes est dû avant tout au nom du groupe. -+- SF in: Guide du Cabaliste Usenet - bourrer en sifflottant -+- Renaud MICHEL
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Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, I like the idea that my work will be accessible in its source format in 20 or 30 years time, as long as I have a readable ascii file, I can get to it, I would be surprised if I could do the same with a Word format document and all the other proprietary file formats associated with Word/Windoze. Pete What Pete said ^ is what I was trying to say. The operant question is who owns your data. With ascii LyX native markup, I own it. Forever. Steve -- Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 14:48, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, I like the idea that my work will be accessible in its source format in 20 or 30 years time, as long as I have a readable ascii file, I can get to it, I would be surprised if I could do the same with a Word format document and all the other proprietary file formats associated with Word/Windoze. Pete What Pete said ^ is what I was trying to say. The operant question is who owns your data. With ascii LyX native markup, I own it. Forever. Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc . I think it's more important that LyX outputs LaTeX. Which reminds me - sorry for the off-topic question - does anyone remember a WP called Wordwriter (used to be popular on the Atari) and have any idea how to convert its files to something more current? Robin
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc. That does not even hold for most .ps files. Having a format using ASCII char does not necessarily mean you can read it painlessly... Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 15:02, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc. That does not even hold for most .ps files. Having a format using ASCII char does not necessarily mean you can read it painlessly... Having tried to read .ps, I know what you mean. However, .ps and .pdf are output formats, like .dvi. I was thinking more of LaTeX, HTML, SGML and the increasingly popular variants on XML. Robin
Re: why Lyx ?
Yes, I had in mind the input markup being of use in 20 years time, as opposed to the output format de jour. I have in my collections some old files in runnof (from Prime computers amongst others) and nroff files that I can readily access with vi. This works of course only if you have the means to read that old 8inch floppy...
RE: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk.
I did compile it myself...and was really impressed by the space needed to compile it. I would probably try to recompile it, but I am just curious that the compiler comes in with Mandrake 8.0 is outdated. Can you recommand a version number of the gcc that gives lyx correct behaviour when compiled? Thanks. Zailong -Original Message- From: Dekel Tsur To: Zailong Bian; LyX users Sent: 9/5/2001 4:27 AM Subject: Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk. On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:32:45PM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: Hi. This seems to be a small problem. Lyx doesn't update the postscript correctly when the figures have been changed but the lyx file is not. In this case, I have to change the file before update postscript. Is it possible to make lyx behave like make so it automatically update the postscript with the file dependencies? It already does that. Upgrading to 1.1.6fix3 should solve your problem. (If you already using 1.1.6fix3, then you need to upgrade your compiler, assuming you compiled lyx yourself).
Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on di sk.
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:36:15AM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: I would probably try to recompile it, but I am just curious that the compiler comes in with Mandrake 8.0 is outdated. Can you recommand a version number of the gcc that gives lyx correct behaviour when compiled? 2.95.2 is e.g. ok. Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why Lyx?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:30:14AM +0200, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. existing isn't the same as works well or plays well with others. (Warning: Tale of Woe follows) I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. We use RTF format on the theory that (a) we could use the same source document for the official copy, (b) to convert to HTML for the on-line version of the manual which we are planning to give them, and (c) we could use StarOffice to edit it as well as MS Word (because we are a mainly Unix (Solaris) place, so MS Windows is not on every desk, but Solaris is). Unfortunately, (c) was not to be, because (b) entailed doing something which is apparently non-standard (even though it is perfectly legal RTF according to the RTF spec). What was this non-standard thing? Instead of having all the pictures (for example, lots of screen dumps; this is a software manual after all) embedded inside the document in Windows MetaFile format (which is the default) we wanted the images to be in PNG format, and *linked* to the document. That way we could use the same image files for both the normal and the HTML version of the document. Sound reasonable? (Yes, there are WMF to GIF/PNG converters out there which run on Unix. Tried them. Didn't work on all our images. Forget it.) I cannot tell you the amount of trouble I had with this, just trying to get MS Word to actually display the darned pictures in the right spot without vanishing (or magically turning into WMF format anyway). StarOffice simply won't play ball with these pictures at all -- they get moved to wierd spots on the page, and if you save the file... I can't remember what happened when you saved the file, but it messed things up in some way. If I'd been using Lyx, none of these problems would have happened. I'd just use convert to generate EPS files from the PNG files, the Postscript would have used the EPS files, the HTML would have used the PNG files, and Lyx would have figured out where to put all the pictures, without making them vanish or go half off the page and have me trying to move them around carefully with a mouse, and putting in needless spaces to try to make them come out right... Then, take the table of contents. Yes, MS Word will generate a table of contents for you -- but only semi-automatically. This manual of which I speak isn't small -- nine chapters and at least three appendixes. Naturally, we have this broken into separate files, one for each chapter and appendix, and use a Master Document to bring it all together. (I will not tell you the trouble I had trying to find out how to insert a new chapter in the middle of the existing ones -- at one point I was considering making a whole new master document...). After I inserted the new chapter, I had to re-generate the table of contents, which required loading the master document, loading all the sub-documents into memory, and then go and tell it to generate a table of contents. It took forever. How does that compare with just inserting a Table of Contents marker in Lyx, once, and have it *always* make a new table of contents when you generate the whole document? Yes, MS Word has Styles, but they're an afterthought. You don't have to use them, you don't have to use them consistently, and someone can come along and mess them up. I *like* logical formatting, it's clean, it's consistent, it's easy to change when you need to. So, no, it isn't that MS Word doesn't *have* these things... it just doesn't have them well. (Not to mention the risk of macro viruses...) But it seems, that for you, LyX doesn't do tables well. I can't speak to that, because I haven't needed to use tables much with my LyX stuff. Likewise, I'm not typing in equations either. One thing that LyX definitely does worse is fonts -- but that's because of the limitations of TeX. Does anyone know if that's ever likely to improve? Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cally: No joyous multitude? Vila: No joyous anybody. I've seen more life in a prison blanket. (Blake's 7: Death Watch [C12]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \| http://www.katspace.com \_.--.*/| v | #include standard/disclaimer.h | Melbourne - Victoria - Australia - Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | - Earth - Sol - Milky Way Galaxy - Universe
Re: Why Lyx?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:08:24PM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote: One thing that LyX definitely does worse is fonts -- but that's because of the limitations of TeX. Does anyone know if that's ever likely to improve? what do you mean here ? regards john -- This is mindless pedantism up with which I will not put. - Donald Knuth on Pascal's lack of default: case statement
Re: Why Lyx?
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:08:24 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why Lyx? On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:30:14AM +0200, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. existing isn't the same as works well or plays well with others. (Warning: Tale of Woe follows) I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. My colleagues come across this kind of request often, frankly I find it hard to understand. Does the client want to edit the manuals ? If the answer is yes, OK, but if it is no, PDF or HTML are much better from the point of view of navigation or indexation on the electronic support, anf PDF is equivalent for the paper support. Do I miss someting there ? -- Jean-Pierre
you made it to my thanks list!
well I'm almost done, I turn in my master thesis monday. And I have put everybody on the lyx-user mailing list in the thanks-section. I find the reasons to be obvious: 1) The developpers of lyx are listening in and they react to whatever happens here. I find lyx to be one of the best pieces of software I have used and I am planing on finding the time to help you - when I get more settled. 2) I started using lyx 6 month ago. I was tired of windows and had installed linux on my laptop and needed some kind of word processor. I tried the different ones, and I ended up using lyx, because, while staroffice is nice (and free) it takes at least 5 minutes to launch, and I wanted some kind of graphical user interface. And after an afternoon of trying to understand how this tex-stuff is working, I had access to a professional tool with allowed me to make my calculations in an easy way (I have something like 50 pages of calculations - using MS word it would have require so much more RAM and processing power than lyx does). I have had my problems like you always have when you start using something new - and I have my ideas of how things should look, so I have more problems than most people :-) - but the lyx-user mailing list have answered all my questions, with a response time of, in general, less than a couple of hours. That is good - very good. 3) this list is a rich source of information - both on lyx and on certain linguistic issues . :-) The one thing I lack is more a tex-thing than lyx. It is a style editor. Does anyone of a GUI based class/style editor? Perhaps we should mount a project to make such a software. I look forward to version 1.2 (and a gtk-version) of lyx :-) Thanks again. mo -- -- E-Mail: morten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05-Sep-2001 Time: 16:14:14 Currently working hard for the LAI at INSA-lyon --
Re: Why Lyx?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 17:45, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:08:24 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why Lyx? I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. My colleagues come across this kind of request often, frankly I find it hard to understand. Does the client want to edit the manuals ? If the answer is yes, OK, but if it is no, PDF or HTML are much better from the point of view of navigation or indexation on the electronic support, anf PDF is equivalent for the paper support. Do I miss someting there ? HTML is Word-readable, and the best way of getting most documents from LyX to Word. If the recipient wants to edit it, they can turn it into a Word document or whatever they want. Robin
Full width tables
Hi, I'd like to permit certain tables to use the full width of my A4 page. Normally I quite like the largish margins, but trying to squish a table which contains a lot of info into them seems silly. Can my table go from one side of the sheet to the other ? Cheers, Nick -- Part 3 MEng Cybernetics; Reading, UK http://www.nickpiper.co.uk/ Change PGP actions of mailer or fetch key see website 1024D/3ED8B27F Choose life. Be Vegan :-) Please reduce needless cruelty + suffering !
Re: Why Lyx?
From: Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why Lyx? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:51:33 +0300 On Wednesday 05 September 2001 17:45, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:08:24 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why Lyx? I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. My colleagues come across this kind of request often, frankly I find it hard to understand. Does the client want to edit the manuals ? If the answer is yes, OK, but if it is no, PDF or HTML are much better from the point of view of navigation or indexation on the electronic support, anf PDF is equivalent for the paper support. Do I miss someting there ? HTML is Word-readable, and the best way of getting most documents from LyX to Word. If the recipient wants to edit it, they can turn it into a Word document or whatever they want. Sure, but the back operation is a mess, most of the original structure is lost (but happily the figures can be managed outside Word). but of course it's up to them... My point is that if a set of people want to share a typesetting tool, it's negotiation between them. But sharing a non-editable result with unknonm people should be done in plain text, HTML or PDF. This is a consequence of the currently available reading/printing tools of course, and liable to change... -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Full width tables
Nicholas Piper wrote: I'd like to permit certain tables to use the full width of my A4 page. Normally I quite like the largish margins, but trying to squish a table which contains a lot of info into them seems silly. Can my table go from one side of the sheet to the other ? have a look at package tabularx Herbert -- http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Hypertext and PDF
I've tested tex2pdf 2.29 on a real life document (a PhD thesis) with a lot of crossrefs and figures. Original figures were included with epsf, so I wrote a short script to substitute graphics to epsf (not generic I guess). I ran in a Tex capacity problem when I came to thumbnails, but when this was solved, I found that the PDF toc was not incomplete (seems to stop after the 1st \section* encountered). Moreover the navigation from the in-text TOC did not point to the right page. Running tex2pdf -r to change the toc option from yes to no produced en error: pdfTeX error (ext4): link annotations can't be nested. Reinstalling hyperref from ctan did'nt change the behavior. Any clue ? -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Full width tables
On Wed, 05 Sep 2001, Herbert Voss wrote: Nicholas Piper wrote: How can I integrate this with LyX's table editor ? this is not easy, because you have to redefine the table environment. fouer one or two tables choose pute tex (red) code. I don't understand your last line. Could you give me an example or point me to where I might find one ? (Anyone know if native support for tabularx is planned for LyX ? Similar to the longtable support ?) Nick -- Part 3 MEng Cybernetics; Reading, UK http://www.nickpiper.co.uk/ Change PGP actions of mailer or fetch key see website 1024D/3ED8B27F Choose life. Be Vegan :-) Please reduce needless cruelty + suffering !
GELLMU, GUI, Unicode
Hi folks, Couple of questions, rather technical in nature: (1) Would it be much of a technical problem to include an export option for LaTeX-Like Markup (aka GELLMU, see http://www.albany.edu/~hammond/gellmu/) besides LaTeX? That would be a nice step towards integrating LyX into a SGML/XML workflow, something which I'm really looking for. (2) Has anyone ever thought of creating a more Windows-native GUI version of LyX after the GUI independence process is finished, using either the Windows version of Qt (with licensing issues) or GTK+ (with stability issues)? Is someone considering doing some work on this? (I had thought of looking into this myself, but I definitely haven't got the spare time to do it myself all alone). (3) Will we see Unicode support sooner or later? Is there some way one can participate in the eventual Unicodification? (hm, I wonder whether this would have fit into the development list a little better?) thanks in advance Philipp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bold Cell Entries in Tables/Very Simple Document Styles?
...
Opps. OK.
choose standard as paragraph layout for the table! if you
want the table printed in bold characters write in ert:
\textbf{ .. your table here ... }
Herbert
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Actually I only want certain entries in the table to be bold.
However, if I try setting the characters in a table cell to bold using:
layout-character
or
ert: \textbf{entry}
I do not get the affects I expect.
Is there a way to make a single cell entry of a table bold?
Thanks.
Ralph Boland
Note that I need this for creating a single page document
which has no standard format. Thus I really want lyx/latex
to do a lot less formatting than usual and allow me to place
things pretty much where I want. (Easy to do in MS Word)
Is there a latex or lyx document style that allows me to do this
and yet provides features such as math mode and tables?
Thanks again
Ralph Boland
Re: bibliography heading
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Herbert Voss wrote:
Stephan D. Picard wrote:
Hello,
I know this question has been addressed before but there still is a
problem (for me at least) that I can't seem to resolve.
I want (me too) change the 'bibliography' for something else (say,
'references').
Now, I've tried every single variation (on a theme) that appear in the
mailing list, i.e.:
\AtBeginDocument{\renewcommand\bibname{References}}
\renewcommand\bibname{References}
\renewcommand\{bibname}{References}
\def\bibname{Ref}
all in both the latex preamble and as ERT in the beginning of the
bibliography file (for it's a separate file that is included in another
lyx file).
what about
\AtBeginDocument{\renewcommand\refname{References}}
I suppose you have article-class
HErbert
Actually, I have book-class. I had tried that command you mentionned but
LyX returned:
LaTeX Error: \refname undefined.
\begin {document}
Try typing return to proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.
which seems to confirm that I'm not using the article-class.
Stephan
Re: bibliography heading
Stephan D. Picard wrote:
Actually, I have book-class. I had tried that command you mentionned but
LyX returned:
LaTeX Error: \refname undefined.
\begin {document}
Try typing return to proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.
which seems to confirm that I'm not using the article-class.
send a very short lyx example-file which shows the behaviour
Herbert
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Re: you made it to my thanks list!
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 10:33, you wrote: The one thing I lack is more a tex-thing than lyx. It is a style editor. Does anyone of a GUI based class/style editor? Perhaps we should mount a project to make such a software. If you do mount such a project, I'll help with the documentation (always assuming I can do it in LyX :-) -- Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Full width tables
Nicholas Piper wrote:
I don't understand your last line. Could you give me an example or
point me to where I might find one ?
the following all in tex (red)
\noindent\begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}{|c|X|c|}\hline
one two three \\
1 2 3 \\
a b c \\ \hline
\end{tabularx}
all columns marked through X always gets a variable width, in this
case the middle column has a width so that the whole table is
\textwidth wide.
(Anyone know if native support for tabularx is planned for LyX ?
Similar to the longtable support ?)
this is a question to Juergen, but he is lying in Italys sun ..
Herbert
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Re: Bold Cell Entries in Tables/Very Simple Document Styles?
Ralph Boland wrote:
Actually I only want certain entries in the table to be bold.
However, if I try setting the characters in a table cell to bold using:
layout-character
or
ert: \textbf{entry}
I do not get the affects I expect.
mark the text in the cell and hit ctrl-b for bold.
Herbert
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Re: Why LyX?
John Levon writes: I've turned tens of normal students onto lyx instead of word (even unix-hating students) entirely as a result of the output. Yes, but ... I've never used ms-word, and haven't used any PC word-processing program since the first version of word-perfect. For 16 years I've worked strictly in Unix (currently sparc-solaris-2.8), using troff/groff, then LaTeX with xemacs/auctex, and now with LyX. As an historian and novelist, I've been a strong advocate of the structured approach to writing. Despite which, of late I've been considering a switch to (horrors!) a PC and ms-word. The reason is four-fold: 1. Although we continually say that LyX leaves the user free to concentrate on content, a review of a few months of the queries and replies on this list suggests how many simple problems require complicated, time-consuming solutions in LyX. Firing off a query, searching Herbert Voss' excellent pages of tips, and crafting complicated solutions to simple problems in LaTeX is not strong evidence in favor of the argument that LyX lets you concentrate on the content. 2. With the exception of a few scientific journals and presses, the world has unfortunately accepted ms-word as the defacto document standard. I detest proprietary and non-ascii formats, but after more than 15 years of resisting the status quo, I'm close to admitting defeat. In my case, I write for trade (commercial) publishers, and not being able to submit a manuscript in ms-word means that it will be typeset by hand, which costs them more and introduces more errors. 3. I have nothing but praise and admiration for those who have contributed to the development of LyX, but the process of development has -- perhaps inevitably -- produced many of the same problems that LyX users point out for ms-word. The documents for LyX-1.6.x are not compatible with those of previous versions. The newest versions are unstable or incomplete; I've been reluctant to switch to 1.6.x because of the less robust table support. Each upgrade is accompanied by a barrage of crash and error reports to this list. 4. The output of the LaTeX typesetting engine is superior to what I've seen from PC wordprocessors. But for many of us, letters are the only printer-ready text we produce. Trade publishers do not seek or accept camera-ready copy: there are too many steps of editing, copy-editing, legal vetting, and design to produce a commercial book. Hence the excellence of LaTeX output is in fact wasted. I mean none of this as a criticism of LyX, which seems to me a remarkable development and a remarkable example of the excellence of the open-source world. Consider it some reflections on why a diehard Unix and LaTeX/LyX user may be ready to quit. -- Ronald Florence http://members.home.net/18james
Re: [tex2pdf-dev] Hypertext and PDF
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:48, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: I've tested tex2pdf 2.29 on a real life document (a PhD thesis) with a lot of crossrefs and figures. Original figures were included with epsf, so I wrote a short script to substitute graphics to epsf (not generic I guess). I ran in a Tex capacity problem when I came to thumbnails, but when this was solved, I found that the PDF toc was not incomplete (seems to stop after the 1st \section* encountered). Moreover the navigation from the in-text TOC did not point to the right page. increase the maxrunno, maybe that helps I remember having similar problems when pdflatex was not running often enough. Running tex2pdf -r to change the toc option from yes to no produced en error: pdfTeX error (ext4): link annotations can't be nested. You could have a look at the generated temp-tex file and make sure that everything in there is correct. It sounds a little bit like a messed up tex file. The option linktocpage is doing nothing else than putting 'linktocpage' in the the hyperref parameters. Works here ... You could also try the perl port in order to make sure that it is not a sed problem or something like this... Reinstalling hyperref from ctan did'nt change the behavior. Any clue ? Bye, Steffen
Re: Why LyX?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 16:09, you wrote: John Levon writes: I've turned tens of normal students onto lyx instead of word (even unix-hating students) entirely as a result of the output. Yes, but ... I've never used ms-word, and haven't used any PC word-processing program since the first version of word-perfect. For 16 years I've worked strictly in Unix (currently sparc-solaris-2.8), using troff/groff, then LaTeX with xemacs/auctex, and now with LyX. As an historian and novelist, I've been a strong advocate of the structured approach to writing. Despite which, of late I've been considering a switch to (horrors!) a PC and ms-word. The reason is four-fold: 1. Although we continually say that LyX leaves the user free to concentrate on content, a review of a few months of the queries and replies on this list suggests how many simple problems require complicated, time-consuming solutions in LyX. Firing off a query, searching Herbert Voss' excellent pages of tips, and crafting complicated solutions to simple problems in LaTeX is not strong evidence in favor of the argument that LyX lets you concentrate on the content. Ronald, this is a documentation problem easily solved. For instance, creating a new environment. It's what -- 20 lines of code? Cut and paste and a little modification. The problem is that the UNIX tradition is to create terse documentation with no examples, and this invariably creates problems for those of us with substratuspheric IQ's (me for instance). I already created a little documentation to make this easier for those who follow. It's at http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/index.htm. Herbert's got a killer doc site but it really needs a search facility for maximum usefulness. It would be very easy to write a simple perl script to create a new environment or text style, if the guy who knew perl and the guy who's an expert on LyX and LaTeX could come together. If there are any LaTeX and LyX experts in Central Florida who could meet me at a LUG meeting, I'll do the Perl. Last, before making the jump to MS Word, consider whether you really want to ask Bill Gates for permission to access your data, year after year. Read this: http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200104/200104.htm As someone who's used Wordperfect and Word to write books and other paperdocs for the last 12 years, I'm so glad to have LyX. -- Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
How to change spacing size in itemize
Hello, I got to know lyx about 6 months ago and I´m still facinated of the results you get using it, why does anyone need word o something else? But sometimes I still have problems and I hope that anybody could help me. 1. How can I change the spacing size within itemize or enumerate, because the result given by lyx isn´t what I need, I have to reduce it. 2. I wanted to include about 30 graphics/tables in my document, but after the eighteenth I just got lots of errors ... why? How can I include that amount of graphics as floats? 3. How can I change pagenumberinh so that it will begin counting with 1 at the first page of the first chapter and not at the index? Thank´s for helping Holger
Re: Coping and pasting tables from SPSS
Guenter Milde writes: --512586620-1804289383-999677429=:412 Content-Type: IMAGE/jpeg; NAME=csv2lyx Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-Disposition: INLINE; FILENAME=csv2lyx --512586620-1804289383-999677429=:412 Content-Type: IMAGE/jpeg; NAME=eps2eps Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-Disposition: INLINE; FILENAME=eps2eps It is confusing and inconvenient to send binaries encoded with MIME type IMAGE/jpeg. My mailer (xemacs/VM) and the xv it launched to `display' the files were understandably confused to find a perl file and a shell script, as I suspect other mailers, viewers, and readers of the list were. -- Ronald Florence http://members.home.net/18james
Re: bibliography heading
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Herbert Voss wrote:
Stephan D. Picard wrote:
Actually, I have book-class. I had tried that command you mentionned but
LyX returned:
LaTeX Error: \refname undefined.
\begin {document}
Try typing return to proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.
which seems to confirm that I'm not using the article-class.
send a very short lyx example-file which shows the behaviour
Herbert
Now, that required a little more work then I thought. I couldn't reproduce
that behaviour with a smaller file so I had to fiddle a little
(long) while to figure what was happening. Here's my 'discoveries' and
strangeness that I found.
I included a bunch of biblio files between each other included to see what
was going on. From the top to a certain point, they were all changed to
'references' (great) but from that point down (like, where I wanted the
file to be included), they were still at Bibliography. So, something was
happening. The file included at that particular point was set to
language=american which seem to have stopped lyx to understand the
\AtBeginDocument thingy.
I changed that file language to standard, verified that all other included
files were actually correctly to standard (as well as the main file) and
they were correct. So, I tried to view ps and LyX returned a whole bunch
of errors, all being you haven't defined the language
\select@language{american} and the same but for language{english}. But
there is NO files that uses other languages, they're all set to
standarrd. Now, setting the main file language to american, for example,
works fine (References is working) but if it's 'standard', then I get all
the error messages.
So, is there something strange happening here. I thought that the setting
of the main file were having precedence over the settings of the included
files!
Also, another thing that I noticed and do not understand about
LyX. Somehow, I introduced in my main file LyX window a line that goes
across between two included file and that continue downward. I can select
it and delete it but I'm not sure what it's doing.
thanks,
Stephan
Re: How to change spacing size in itemize
Holger Warm wrote:
Hello,
I got to know lyx about 6 months ago and I´m still facinated of the results
you get using it, why does anyone need word o something else?
But sometimes I still have problems and I hope that anybody could help me.
1. How can I change the spacing size within itemize or enumerate, because
the result given by lyx isn´t what I need, I have to reduce it.
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/list/list.html
2. I wanted to include about 30 graphics/tables in my document, but after the
eighteenth I just got lots of errors ... why? How can I include that amount
of graphics as floats?
behind a chapter do a clearpage (cleardouble page if twosided)
or choose package morefloats
3. How can I change pagenumberinh so that it will begin counting with 1 at
the first page of the first chapter and not at the index?
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/page/page.html
with \setcounter{page}{1}
Herbert
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http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Re: bibliography heading
Stephan D. Picard wrote: Now, that required a little more work then I thought. I couldn't reproduce that behaviour with a smaller file so I had to fiddle a little (long) while to figure what was happening. Here's my 'discoveries' and strangeness that I found. send the wgole main-doc as private mail, otherwise I'm not able so say what's exactly going wrong with your doc. Herbert -- http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Re: Lyx1.1.5fix2 and compose key ... bug?
To: Beaubert Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: LyX users [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lyx1.1.5fix2 and compose key ... bug? From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05 Sep 2001 17:56:00 +0200 Beaubert == Beaubert Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beaubert Hi all, I'm using lyx1.1.5fix2 on linux debian woody Beaubert (Xfree4.0.3) with libforms0.89 on a Dell Inspiron 8000 Beaubert notbook. My keyboard is a french one since I 'm french. In Beaubert my XFconfig-4 i set my keboard like this: Beaubert How can I configure this ? is it a bug of lyx or xforms? Beaubert I've read previous messages but it's a bit confusing it Beaubert seems that it depends both on libforms and lyx version... I _think_ that, to have working compose, you should use either xforms 0.88 and lyx 1.1.5fix2 or 0.89 on 1.1.6fix3. However, I cannot really remember when we did the fixes to LyX to work with recent xforms versions. Anyway, it seems that there are still some bugs in LyX wrt XKB. JMarc Any concern with upgrading from 0.88 to 0.89 on Solaris ? -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Unfortunately i think i am giving up :( Was : ReCoping and pasting tables from SPSS
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:30:14 +0200 wrote Giovanni Tummarello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For how sad it seems i think i am back with word 2000 which works seamlessly in doing this kind of operations.. This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. Really this is not meant to be polemic or anything.. but i would be rather happy if someone offered me a good reason why does it stil lmake sense to use it under a windows environment. You are totally right, regarding the footnotes, section headers, etc. and I wonder why the manual still quotes all that (may be becouse at the time LaTeX was new, no other word processor could do this kind of stuff.) Also, as Windoof and Word come from the same manufacturer and SPSS for Windows is designed for seamless interaction with W..., using a designed for Unix program has drawbacks. Still, there are some advantage more than using a program without paying mony to the richest man in the world (some of them might not be applicable to you, of course): - the quality of math output is still better with TeX. - Once you learned to use BibTeX (or some GUI-variants like TkBibTeX), citations and the References are far more easy. (Although there are (shareware) macro-scripts for Bibliography for Word as well.) - More possibilities to tweak and twiddle (using raw LaTeX or TeX) - The file is stored in text format i.e. human readable and can be processed by any editor (if you know what you do and take care (e.g. backup before)) - The program runs very stable (at least on Unix) and if a crash happens, in most cases a valid emergency saving is done. (Also, if there goes something wrong with LaTeX, dvips, or printing, LyX will not be affected as these are independent programs - the original text is not at risc when doing preview or printing.) - Also, if the file is corrupted for some reason (e.g. foulty floppy), there is still a change that some stuff survived and can be reused. - No problems with big projects (doing a dissertation all in word is a risky task) - Friendly and prompt support in the lyx-users list! So the decision is up to you. I also depends on the context: Cooperation with word-only-users becomes difficult, cooperation with LaTeX users more easy. If you happen to have a Linux and a W... machine (or both OS on one), LyX has the advantage to run on both.) (Regarding the problem with SPSS tables, see my separat answer.) Guenter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Lyx: some questions and many thanks
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:52:09 +0200 wrote Uwe Grossmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks, that's much better! But ispell marked a word like Hallen as unknown and shows a list of known words. One is Halle+n Is there another option which I forgot to choose? I am not an expert with ispell, but here is my experience: Besides the dictionary of known words, ispell has some knowledge of flexion. As natural languages are ambique, however, it doesnot use this knowledge automatically but only for the suggestion of alternatives. If you are sure, that the suggestion is correct, you can add the word to your private dictionary and you will never again be asked for this one. (And thus, as the private dictionary grows, gradually the spellchecking will become less interactive) Also, did you try Zusammengeschriebene Wörter erlauben? (However, the chance of not recognized errors incrases as well, therefore compounds are normally not allowed but inserted to the dictionary as seperate units.) Günter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: ° in math-mode
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:46:49 +0200 wrote Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Uwe Grossmann wrote: I can't find the 0 in math-mode on my keyboard (qwertz-latin1). So i hat to switch off the math-mode type 0 and switch back to math-mode. It's a little bit boaring. I know it's possible to use textcomp. It is fine, but I rather use my keycap 0 instead of typing \textdegree. Is there any reason for the absence of 0 in math-mode and how can I fix it? it's the shift of ^ on my keyboard and there are no problems in mathmode. it is Shift-^ on my keyboard as well, but it doesnot appear in math-mode. Even toggeling text-in-math does not help. E.g. Ctrl-M 15 Ctrl-M °C results in 15 C. (LyX 1.1.6fix2 under KDE, SuSE-Linux 6.4) Guenter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk.
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:32:45PM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: Hi. This seems to be a small problem. Lyx doesn't update the postscript correctly when the figures have been changed but the lyx file is not. In this case, I have to change the file before update postscript. Is it possible to make lyx behave like make so it automatically update the postscript with the file dependencies? It already does that. Upgrading to 1.1.6fix3 should solve your problem. (If you already using 1.1.6fix3, then you need to upgrade your compiler, assuming you compiled lyx yourself).
Re: Bizarre symptom -- no updated Postscript view
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 05:57:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, This is really bizarre. My View-Postscript, View-Update-Postscript, View-PDF, View-Update-PDF, View-DVI, and View-Update-DVI all show the file as it was when I started LyX. To get an accurate view I must quit LyX and then restart. I'm almost positive LyX used to update on the fly. I'm using 1.1.6fix1 and have not changed it. Upgrade to 1.1.6fix3.
Re: Why LyX?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:57:49PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: Oh yes, and there's the pretty PS/PDF output as well. An untutored eye may not immediately pick up on the difference between the same document in LyX-LaTeX-PS and a standard word-processor, but I think there's a subliminal effect ;-) you're kidding me ! I've turned tens of normal students onto lyx instead of word (even unix-hating students) entirely as a result of the output. Wow, that looks great, what did you use to make that ? john -- Do you mean to tell me that The Prince is not the set textbook for CS1072 Professional Issues ? What on earth do you learn in that course ? - David Lester
Re: Coping and pasting tables from SPSS
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 07:26:57PM +0200, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: I have tried alternative approaches.. SPSS offers me to save the table in text mode which is simply a ASCII formatted table assuming font is NON proportional. Needless to say LYX's no double space, no tab, no double enter basic rule is preventing this to work in any way. Why don't you simply convert this ASCII formatted table into some Tab sepearated table and read this into LyX's table? Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unfortunately i think i am giving up :( Was : ReCoping and pasting tables from SPSS
Le Mercredi 5 Septembre 2001 02:30, vous avez écrit : This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. For me the main difference is the wysiwym approach of LyX, when I used word I spended lots of time at changing some font size, modifying the tabbing, etc to make it look better, now with LyX I write my text then compile it and the predefined look of LaTeX make my doc look quite better than I would have did it myself. The other main advantage for me is that LyX is some kind of LaTeX front-end and one can use plain LaTeX (or even TeX for the most advanced) commands in the document wich have frequently allowed me to do thing that would have been a pain with a wysiwyg wordprocessor. -- Je ne suis pas une fufeuse qualifiée, mais il me semble que ce bourrage d'urnes est dû avant tout au nom du groupe. -+- SF in: Guide du Cabaliste Usenet - bourrer en sifflottant -+- Renaud MICHEL
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Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, I like the idea that my work will be accessible in its source format in 20 or 30 years time, as long as I have a readable ascii file, I can get to it, I would be surprised if I could do the same with a Word format document and all the other proprietary file formats associated with Word/Windoze. Pete What Pete said ^ is what I was trying to say. The operant question is who owns your data. With ascii LyX native markup, I own it. Forever. Steve -- Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 14:48, Steve Litt wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, I like the idea that my work will be accessible in its source format in 20 or 30 years time, as long as I have a readable ascii file, I can get to it, I would be surprised if I could do the same with a Word format document and all the other proprietary file formats associated with Word/Windoze. Pete What Pete said ^ is what I was trying to say. The operant question is who owns your data. With ascii LyX native markup, I own it. Forever. Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc . I think it's more important that LyX outputs LaTeX. Which reminds me - sorry for the off-topic question - does anyone remember a WP called Wordwriter (used to be popular on the Atari) and have any idea how to convert its files to something more current? Robin
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc. That does not even hold for most .ps files. Having a format using ASCII char does not necessarily mean you can read it painlessly... Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 15:02, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc. That does not even hold for most .ps files. Having a format using ASCII char does not necessarily mean you can read it painlessly... Having tried to read .ps, I know what you mean. However, .ps and .pdf are output formats, like .dvi. I was thinking more of LaTeX, HTML, SGML and the increasingly popular variants on XML. Robin
Re: why Lyx ?
Yes, I had in mind the input markup being of use in 20 years time, as opposed to the output format de jour. I have in my collections some old files in runnof (from Prime computers amongst others) and nroff files that I can readily access with vi. This works of course only if you have the means to read that old 8inch floppy...
RE: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk.
I did compile it myself...and was really impressed by the space needed to compile it. I would probably try to recompile it, but I am just curious that the compiler comes in with Mandrake 8.0 is outdated. Can you recommand a version number of the gcc that gives lyx correct behaviour when compiled? Thanks. Zailong -Original Message- From: Dekel Tsur To: Zailong Bian; LyX users Sent: 9/5/2001 4:27 AM Subject: Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk. On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:32:45PM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: Hi. This seems to be a small problem. Lyx doesn't update the postscript correctly when the figures have been changed but the lyx file is not. In this case, I have to change the file before update postscript. Is it possible to make lyx behave like make so it automatically update the postscript with the file dependencies? It already does that. Upgrading to 1.1.6fix3 should solve your problem. (If you already using 1.1.6fix3, then you need to upgrade your compiler, assuming you compiled lyx yourself).
Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on di sk.
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:36:15AM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: I would probably try to recompile it, but I am just curious that the compiler comes in with Mandrake 8.0 is outdated. Can you recommand a version number of the gcc that gives lyx correct behaviour when compiled? 2.95.2 is e.g. ok. Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why Lyx?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:30:14AM +0200, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. existing isn't the same as works well or plays well with others. (Warning: Tale of Woe follows) I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. We use RTF format on the theory that (a) we could use the same source document for the official copy, (b) to convert to HTML for the on-line version of the manual which we are planning to give them, and (c) we could use StarOffice to edit it as well as MS Word (because we are a mainly Unix (Solaris) place, so MS Windows is not on every desk, but Solaris is). Unfortunately, (c) was not to be, because (b) entailed doing something which is apparently non-standard (even though it is perfectly legal RTF according to the RTF spec). What was this non-standard thing? Instead of having all the pictures (for example, lots of screen dumps; this is a software manual after all) embedded inside the document in Windows MetaFile format (which is the default) we wanted the images to be in PNG format, and *linked* to the document. That way we could use the same image files for both the normal and the HTML version of the document. Sound reasonable? (Yes, there are WMF to GIF/PNG converters out there which run on Unix. Tried them. Didn't work on all our images. Forget it.) I cannot tell you the amount of trouble I had with this, just trying to get MS Word to actually display the darned pictures in the right spot without vanishing (or magically turning into WMF format anyway). StarOffice simply won't play ball with these pictures at all -- they get moved to wierd spots on the page, and if you save the file... I can't remember what happened when you saved the file, but it messed things up in some way. If I'd been using Lyx, none of these problems would have happened. I'd just use convert to generate EPS files from the PNG files, the Postscript would have used the EPS files, the HTML would have used the PNG files, and Lyx would have figured out where to put all the pictures, without making them vanish or go half off the page and have me trying to move them around carefully with a mouse, and putting in needless spaces to try to make them come out right... Then, take the table of contents. Yes, MS Word will generate a table of contents for you -- but only semi-automatically. This manual of which I speak isn't small -- nine chapters and at least three appendixes. Naturally, we have this broken into separate files, one for each chapter and appendix, and use a Master Document to bring it all together. (I will not tell you the trouble I had trying to find out how to insert a new chapter in the middle of the existing ones -- at one point I was considering making a whole new master document...). After I inserted the new chapter, I had to re-generate the table of contents, which required loading the master document, loading all the sub-documents into memory, and then go and tell it to generate a table of contents. It took forever. How does that compare with just inserting a Table of Contents marker in Lyx, once, and have it *always* make a new table of contents when you generate the whole document? Yes, MS Word has Styles, but they're an afterthought. You don't have to use them, you don't have to use them consistently, and someone can come along and mess them up. I *like* logical formatting, it's clean, it's consistent, it's easy to change when you need to. So, no, it isn't that MS Word doesn't *have* these things... it just doesn't have them well. (Not to mention the risk of macro viruses...) But it seems, that for you, LyX doesn't do tables well. I can't speak to that, because I haven't needed to use tables much with my LyX stuff. Likewise, I'm not typing in equations either. One thing that LyX definitely does worse is fonts -- but that's because of the limitations of TeX. Does anyone know if that's ever likely to improve? Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cally: No joyous multitude? Vila: No joyous anybody. I've seen more life in a prison blanket. (Blake's 7: Death Watch [C12]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \| http://www.katspace.com \_.--.*/| v | #include standard/disclaimer.h | Melbourne - Victoria - Australia - Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | - Earth - Sol - Milky Way Galaxy - Universe
Re: Why Lyx?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:08:24PM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote: One thing that LyX definitely does worse is fonts -- but that's because of the limitations of TeX. Does anyone know if that's ever likely to improve? what do you mean here ? regards john -- This is mindless pedantism up with which I will not put. - Donald Knuth on Pascal's lack of default: case statement
Re: Why Lyx?
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:08:24 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why Lyx? On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:30:14AM +0200, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. existing isn't the same as works well or plays well with others. (Warning: Tale of Woe follows) I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. My colleagues come across this kind of request often, frankly I find it hard to understand. Does the client want to edit the manuals ? If the answer is yes, OK, but if it is no, PDF or HTML are much better from the point of view of navigation or indexation on the electronic support, anf PDF is equivalent for the paper support. Do I miss someting there ? -- Jean-Pierre
you made it to my thanks list!
well I'm almost done, I turn in my master thesis monday. And I have put everybody on the lyx-user mailing list in the thanks-section. I find the reasons to be obvious: 1) The developpers of lyx are listening in and they react to whatever happens here. I find lyx to be one of the best pieces of software I have used and I am planing on finding the time to help you - when I get more settled. 2) I started using lyx 6 month ago. I was tired of windows and had installed linux on my laptop and needed some kind of word processor. I tried the different ones, and I ended up using lyx, because, while staroffice is nice (and free) it takes at least 5 minutes to launch, and I wanted some kind of graphical user interface. And after an afternoon of trying to understand how this tex-stuff is working, I had access to a professional tool with allowed me to make my calculations in an easy way (I have something like 50 pages of calculations - using MS word it would have require so much more RAM and processing power than lyx does). I have had my problems like you always have when you start using something new - and I have my ideas of how things should look, so I have more problems than most people :-) - but the lyx-user mailing list have answered all my questions, with a response time of, in general, less than a couple of hours. That is good - very good. 3) this list is a rich source of information - both on lyx and on certain linguistic issues . :-) The one thing I lack is more a tex-thing than lyx. It is a style editor. Does anyone of a GUI based class/style editor? Perhaps we should mount a project to make such a software. I look forward to version 1.2 (and a gtk-version) of lyx :-) Thanks again. mo -- -- E-Mail: morten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05-Sep-2001 Time: 16:14:14 Currently working hard for the LAI at INSA-lyon --
Re: Why Lyx?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 17:45, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:08:24 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why Lyx? I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. My colleagues come across this kind of request often, frankly I find it hard to understand. Does the client want to edit the manuals ? If the answer is yes, OK, but if it is no, PDF or HTML are much better from the point of view of navigation or indexation on the electronic support, anf PDF is equivalent for the paper support. Do I miss someting there ? HTML is Word-readable, and the best way of getting most documents from LyX to Word. If the recipient wants to edit it, they can turn it into a Word document or whatever they want. Robin
Full width tables
Hi, I'd like to permit certain tables to use the full width of my A4 page. Normally I quite like the largish margins, but trying to squish a table which contains a lot of info into them seems silly. Can my table go from one side of the sheet to the other ? Cheers, Nick -- Part 3 MEng Cybernetics; Reading, UK http://www.nickpiper.co.uk/ Change PGP actions of mailer or fetch key see website 1024D/3ED8B27F Choose life. Be Vegan :-) Please reduce needless cruelty + suffering !
Re: Why Lyx?
From: Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why Lyx? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:51:33 +0300 On Wednesday 05 September 2001 17:45, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:08:24 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why Lyx? I wish I could use Lyx at work. Unfortunately the manual for the software I work on is required (by the client) to be in Word-readable format. My colleagues come across this kind of request often, frankly I find it hard to understand. Does the client want to edit the manuals ? If the answer is yes, OK, but if it is no, PDF or HTML are much better from the point of view of navigation or indexation on the electronic support, anf PDF is equivalent for the paper support. Do I miss someting there ? HTML is Word-readable, and the best way of getting most documents from LyX to Word. If the recipient wants to edit it, they can turn it into a Word document or whatever they want. Sure, but the back operation is a mess, most of the original structure is lost (but happily the figures can be managed outside Word). but of course it's up to them... My point is that if a set of people want to share a typesetting tool, it's negotiation between them. But sharing a non-editable result with unknonm people should be done in plain text, HTML or PDF. This is a consequence of the currently available reading/printing tools of course, and liable to change... -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Full width tables
Nicholas Piper wrote: I'd like to permit certain tables to use the full width of my A4 page. Normally I quite like the largish margins, but trying to squish a table which contains a lot of info into them seems silly. Can my table go from one side of the sheet to the other ? have a look at package tabularx Herbert -- http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Hypertext and PDF
I've tested tex2pdf 2.29 on a real life document (a PhD thesis) with a lot of crossrefs and figures. Original figures were included with epsf, so I wrote a short script to substitute graphics to epsf (not generic I guess). I ran in a Tex capacity problem when I came to thumbnails, but when this was solved, I found that the PDF toc was not incomplete (seems to stop after the 1st \section* encountered). Moreover the navigation from the in-text TOC did not point to the right page. Running tex2pdf -r to change the toc option from yes to no produced en error: pdfTeX error (ext4): link annotations can't be nested. Reinstalling hyperref from ctan did'nt change the behavior. Any clue ? -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Full width tables
On Wed, 05 Sep 2001, Herbert Voss wrote: Nicholas Piper wrote: How can I integrate this with LyX's table editor ? this is not easy, because you have to redefine the table environment. fouer one or two tables choose pute tex (red) code. I don't understand your last line. Could you give me an example or point me to where I might find one ? (Anyone know if native support for tabularx is planned for LyX ? Similar to the longtable support ?) Nick -- Part 3 MEng Cybernetics; Reading, UK http://www.nickpiper.co.uk/ Change PGP actions of mailer or fetch key see website 1024D/3ED8B27F Choose life. Be Vegan :-) Please reduce needless cruelty + suffering !
GELLMU, GUI, Unicode
Hi folks, Couple of questions, rather technical in nature: (1) Would it be much of a technical problem to include an export option for LaTeX-Like Markup (aka GELLMU, see http://www.albany.edu/~hammond/gellmu/) besides LaTeX? That would be a nice step towards integrating LyX into a SGML/XML workflow, something which I'm really looking for. (2) Has anyone ever thought of creating a more Windows-native GUI version of LyX after the GUI independence process is finished, using either the Windows version of Qt (with licensing issues) or GTK+ (with stability issues)? Is someone considering doing some work on this? (I had thought of looking into this myself, but I definitely haven't got the spare time to do it myself all alone). (3) Will we see Unicode support sooner or later? Is there some way one can participate in the eventual Unicodification? (hm, I wonder whether this would have fit into the development list a little better?) thanks in advance Philipp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bold Cell Entries in Tables/Very Simple Document Styles?
...
Opps. OK.
choose standard as paragraph layout for the table! if you
want the table printed in bold characters write in ert:
\textbf{ .. your table here ... }
Herbert
--
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Actually I only want certain entries in the table to be bold.
However, if I try setting the characters in a table cell to bold using:
layout-character
or
ert: \textbf{entry}
I do not get the affects I expect.
Is there a way to make a single cell entry of a table bold?
Thanks.
Ralph Boland
Note that I need this for creating a single page document
which has no standard format. Thus I really want lyx/latex
to do a lot less formatting than usual and allow me to place
things pretty much where I want. (Easy to do in MS Word)
Is there a latex or lyx document style that allows me to do this
and yet provides features such as math mode and tables?
Thanks again
Ralph Boland
Re: bibliography heading
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Herbert Voss wrote:
Stephan D. Picard wrote:
Hello,
I know this question has been addressed before but there still is a
problem (for me at least) that I can't seem to resolve.
I want (me too) change the 'bibliography' for something else (say,
'references').
Now, I've tried every single variation (on a theme) that appear in the
mailing list, i.e.:
\AtBeginDocument{\renewcommand\bibname{References}}
\renewcommand\bibname{References}
\renewcommand\{bibname}{References}
\def\bibname{Ref}
all in both the latex preamble and as ERT in the beginning of the
bibliography file (for it's a separate file that is included in another
lyx file).
what about
\AtBeginDocument{\renewcommand\refname{References}}
I suppose you have article-class
HErbert
Actually, I have book-class. I had tried that command you mentionned but
LyX returned:
LaTeX Error: \refname undefined.
\begin {document}
Try typing return to proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.
which seems to confirm that I'm not using the article-class.
Stephan
Re: bibliography heading
Stephan D. Picard wrote:
Actually, I have book-class. I had tried that command you mentionned but
LyX returned:
LaTeX Error: \refname undefined.
\begin {document}
Try typing return to proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.
which seems to confirm that I'm not using the article-class.
send a very short lyx example-file which shows the behaviour
Herbert
--
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Re: you made it to my thanks list!
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 10:33, you wrote: The one thing I lack is more a tex-thing than lyx. It is a style editor. Does anyone of a GUI based class/style editor? Perhaps we should mount a project to make such a software. If you do mount such a project, I'll help with the documentation (always assuming I can do it in LyX :-) -- Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Full width tables
Nicholas Piper wrote:
I don't understand your last line. Could you give me an example or
point me to where I might find one ?
the following all in tex (red)
\noindent\begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}{|c|X|c|}\hline
one two three \\
1 2 3 \\
a b c \\ \hline
\end{tabularx}
all columns marked through X always gets a variable width, in this
case the middle column has a width so that the whole table is
\textwidth wide.
(Anyone know if native support for tabularx is planned for LyX ?
Similar to the longtable support ?)
this is a question to Juergen, but he is lying in Italys sun ..
Herbert
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http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Re: Bold Cell Entries in Tables/Very Simple Document Styles?
Ralph Boland wrote:
Actually I only want certain entries in the table to be bold.
However, if I try setting the characters in a table cell to bold using:
layout-character
or
ert: \textbf{entry}
I do not get the affects I expect.
mark the text in the cell and hit ctrl-b for bold.
Herbert
--
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Re: Why LyX?
John Levon writes: I've turned tens of normal students onto lyx instead of word (even unix-hating students) entirely as a result of the output. Yes, but ... I've never used ms-word, and haven't used any PC word-processing program since the first version of word-perfect. For 16 years I've worked strictly in Unix (currently sparc-solaris-2.8), using troff/groff, then LaTeX with xemacs/auctex, and now with LyX. As an historian and novelist, I've been a strong advocate of the structured approach to writing. Despite which, of late I've been considering a switch to (horrors!) a PC and ms-word. The reason is four-fold: 1. Although we continually say that LyX leaves the user free to concentrate on content, a review of a few months of the queries and replies on this list suggests how many simple problems require complicated, time-consuming solutions in LyX. Firing off a query, searching Herbert Voss' excellent pages of tips, and crafting complicated solutions to simple problems in LaTeX is not strong evidence in favor of the argument that LyX lets you concentrate on the content. 2. With the exception of a few scientific journals and presses, the world has unfortunately accepted ms-word as the defacto document standard. I detest proprietary and non-ascii formats, but after more than 15 years of resisting the status quo, I'm close to admitting defeat. In my case, I write for trade (commercial) publishers, and not being able to submit a manuscript in ms-word means that it will be typeset by hand, which costs them more and introduces more errors. 3. I have nothing but praise and admiration for those who have contributed to the development of LyX, but the process of development has -- perhaps inevitably -- produced many of the same problems that LyX users point out for ms-word. The documents for LyX-1.6.x are not compatible with those of previous versions. The newest versions are unstable or incomplete; I've been reluctant to switch to 1.6.x because of the less robust table support. Each upgrade is accompanied by a barrage of crash and error reports to this list. 4. The output of the LaTeX typesetting engine is superior to what I've seen from PC wordprocessors. But for many of us, letters are the only printer-ready text we produce. Trade publishers do not seek or accept camera-ready copy: there are too many steps of editing, copy-editing, legal vetting, and design to produce a commercial book. Hence the excellence of LaTeX output is in fact wasted. I mean none of this as a criticism of LyX, which seems to me a remarkable development and a remarkable example of the excellence of the open-source world. Consider it some reflections on why a diehard Unix and LaTeX/LyX user may be ready to quit. -- Ronald Florence http://members.home.net/18james
Re: [tex2pdf-dev] Hypertext and PDF
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:48, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: I've tested tex2pdf 2.29 on a real life document (a PhD thesis) with a lot of crossrefs and figures. Original figures were included with epsf, so I wrote a short script to substitute graphics to epsf (not generic I guess). I ran in a Tex capacity problem when I came to thumbnails, but when this was solved, I found that the PDF toc was not incomplete (seems to stop after the 1st \section* encountered). Moreover the navigation from the in-text TOC did not point to the right page. increase the maxrunno, maybe that helps I remember having similar problems when pdflatex was not running often enough. Running tex2pdf -r to change the toc option from yes to no produced en error: pdfTeX error (ext4): link annotations can't be nested. You could have a look at the generated temp-tex file and make sure that everything in there is correct. It sounds a little bit like a messed up tex file. The option linktocpage is doing nothing else than putting 'linktocpage' in the the hyperref parameters. Works here ... You could also try the perl port in order to make sure that it is not a sed problem or something like this... Reinstalling hyperref from ctan did'nt change the behavior. Any clue ? Bye, Steffen
Re: Why LyX?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 16:09, you wrote: John Levon writes: I've turned tens of normal students onto lyx instead of word (even unix-hating students) entirely as a result of the output. Yes, but ... I've never used ms-word, and haven't used any PC word-processing program since the first version of word-perfect. For 16 years I've worked strictly in Unix (currently sparc-solaris-2.8), using troff/groff, then LaTeX with xemacs/auctex, and now with LyX. As an historian and novelist, I've been a strong advocate of the structured approach to writing. Despite which, of late I've been considering a switch to (horrors!) a PC and ms-word. The reason is four-fold: 1. Although we continually say that LyX leaves the user free to concentrate on content, a review of a few months of the queries and replies on this list suggests how many simple problems require complicated, time-consuming solutions in LyX. Firing off a query, searching Herbert Voss' excellent pages of tips, and crafting complicated solutions to simple problems in LaTeX is not strong evidence in favor of the argument that LyX lets you concentrate on the content. Ronald, this is a documentation problem easily solved. For instance, creating a new environment. It's what -- 20 lines of code? Cut and paste and a little modification. The problem is that the UNIX tradition is to create terse documentation with no examples, and this invariably creates problems for those of us with substratuspheric IQ's (me for instance). I already created a little documentation to make this easier for those who follow. It's at http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/index.htm. Herbert's got a killer doc site but it really needs a search facility for maximum usefulness. It would be very easy to write a simple perl script to create a new environment or text style, if the guy who knew perl and the guy who's an expert on LyX and LaTeX could come together. If there are any LaTeX and LyX experts in Central Florida who could meet me at a LUG meeting, I'll do the Perl. Last, before making the jump to MS Word, consider whether you really want to ask Bill Gates for permission to access your data, year after year. Read this: http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200104/200104.htm As someone who's used Wordperfect and Word to write books and other paperdocs for the last 12 years, I'm so glad to have LyX. -- Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
How to change spacing size in itemize
Hello, I got to know lyx about 6 months ago and I´m still facinated of the results you get using it, why does anyone need word o something else? But sometimes I still have problems and I hope that anybody could help me. 1. How can I change the spacing size within itemize or enumerate, because the result given by lyx isn´t what I need, I have to reduce it. 2. I wanted to include about 30 graphics/tables in my document, but after the eighteenth I just got lots of errors ... why? How can I include that amount of graphics as floats? 3. How can I change pagenumberinh so that it will begin counting with 1 at the first page of the first chapter and not at the index? Thank´s for helping Holger
Re: Coping and pasting tables from SPSS
Guenter Milde writes: --512586620-1804289383-999677429=:412 Content-Type: IMAGE/jpeg; NAME=csv2lyx Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-Disposition: INLINE; FILENAME=csv2lyx --512586620-1804289383-999677429=:412 Content-Type: IMAGE/jpeg; NAME=eps2eps Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-Disposition: INLINE; FILENAME=eps2eps It is confusing and inconvenient to send binaries encoded with MIME type IMAGE/jpeg. My mailer (xemacs/VM) and the xv it launched to `display' the files were understandably confused to find a perl file and a shell script, as I suspect other mailers, viewers, and readers of the list were. -- Ronald Florence http://members.home.net/18james
Re: bibliography heading
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Herbert Voss wrote:
Stephan D. Picard wrote:
Actually, I have book-class. I had tried that command you mentionned but
LyX returned:
LaTeX Error: \refname undefined.
\begin {document}
Try typing return to proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X return to quit.
which seems to confirm that I'm not using the article-class.
send a very short lyx example-file which shows the behaviour
Herbert
Now, that required a little more work then I thought. I couldn't reproduce
that behaviour with a smaller file so I had to fiddle a little
(long) while to figure what was happening. Here's my 'discoveries' and
strangeness that I found.
I included a bunch of biblio files between each other included to see what
was going on. From the top to a certain point, they were all changed to
'references' (great) but from that point down (like, where I wanted the
file to be included), they were still at Bibliography. So, something was
happening. The file included at that particular point was set to
language=american which seem to have stopped lyx to understand the
\AtBeginDocument thingy.
I changed that file language to standard, verified that all other included
files were actually correctly to standard (as well as the main file) and
they were correct. So, I tried to view ps and LyX returned a whole bunch
of errors, all being you haven't defined the language
\select@language{american} and the same but for language{english}. But
there is NO files that uses other languages, they're all set to
standarrd. Now, setting the main file language to american, for example,
works fine (References is working) but if it's 'standard', then I get all
the error messages.
So, is there something strange happening here. I thought that the setting
of the main file were having precedence over the settings of the included
files!
Also, another thing that I noticed and do not understand about
LyX. Somehow, I introduced in my main file LyX window a line that goes
across between two included file and that continue downward. I can select
it and delete it but I'm not sure what it's doing.
thanks,
Stephan
Re: How to change spacing size in itemize
Holger Warm wrote:
Hello,
I got to know lyx about 6 months ago and I´m still facinated of the results
you get using it, why does anyone need word o something else?
But sometimes I still have problems and I hope that anybody could help me.
1. How can I change the spacing size within itemize or enumerate, because
the result given by lyx isn´t what I need, I have to reduce it.
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/list/list.html
2. I wanted to include about 30 graphics/tables in my document, but after the
eighteenth I just got lots of errors ... why? How can I include that amount
of graphics as floats?
behind a chapter do a clearpage (cleardouble page if twosided)
or choose package morefloats
3. How can I change pagenumberinh so that it will begin counting with 1 at
the first page of the first chapter and not at the index?
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/page/page.html
with \setcounter{page}{1}
Herbert
--
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Re: bibliography heading
Stephan D. Picard wrote: Now, that required a little more work then I thought. I couldn't reproduce that behaviour with a smaller file so I had to fiddle a little (long) while to figure what was happening. Here's my 'discoveries' and strangeness that I found. send the wgole main-doc as private mail, otherwise I'm not able so say what's exactly going wrong with your doc. Herbert -- http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/
Re: Lyx1.1.5fix2 and compose key ... bug?
To: Beaubert Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: LyX users [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lyx1.1.5fix2 and compose key ... bug? From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05 Sep 2001 17:56:00 +0200 Beaubert == Beaubert Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beaubert Hi all, I'm using lyx1.1.5fix2 on linux debian woody Beaubert (Xfree4.0.3) with libforms0.89 on a Dell Inspiron 8000 Beaubert notbook. My keyboard is a french one since I 'm french. In Beaubert my XFconfig-4 i set my keboard like this: Beaubert How can I configure this ? is it a bug of lyx or xforms? Beaubert I've read previous messages but it's a bit confusing it Beaubert seems that it depends both on libforms and lyx version... I _think_ that, to have working compose, you should use either xforms 0.88 and lyx 1.1.5fix2 or 0.89 on 1.1.6fix3. However, I cannot really remember when we did the fixes to LyX to work with recent xforms versions. Anyway, it seems that there are still some bugs in LyX wrt XKB. JMarc Any concern with upgrading from 0.88 to 0.89 on Solaris ? -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Unfortunately i think i am giving up :( Was : ReCoping and pasting tables from SPSS
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:30:14 +0200 wrote Giovanni Tummarello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For how sad it seems i think i am back with word 2000 which works seamlessly in > doing this kind of operations.. > > This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. and > that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx offer > that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I mean.. all the > manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes etc etc.. ) are > all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, and the equation > editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one offered in Lyx. > > Really this is not meant to be polemic or anything.. but i would be rather > happy if someone offered me a good reason why does it stil lmake sense to use > it under a windows environment. You are totally right, regarding the footnotes, section headers, etc. and I wonder why the manual still quotes all that (may be becouse at the time LaTeX was new, no other word processor could do this kind of stuff.) Also, as Windoof and Word come from the same manufacturer and SPSS for Windows is designed for seamless interaction with W..., using a "designed for Unix" program has drawbacks. Still, there are some advantage more than using a program without paying mony to the richest man in the world (some of them might not be applicable to you, of course): - the quality of math output is still better with TeX. - Once you learned to use BibTeX (or some GUI-variants like TkBibTeX), citations and the References are far more easy. (Although there are (shareware) macro-scripts for Bibliography for Word as well.) - More possibilities to "tweak and twiddle" (using raw LaTeX or TeX) - The file is stored in text format i.e. human readable and can be processed by any editor (if you know what you do and take care (e.g. backup before)) - The program runs very stable (at least on Unix) and if a crash happens, in most cases a valid emergency saving is done. (Also, if there goes something wrong with LaTeX, dvips, or printing, LyX will not be affected as these are independent programs -> the original text is not at risc when doing preview or printing.) - Also, if the file is corrupted for some reason (e.g. foulty floppy), there is still a change that some stuff survived and can be reused. - No problems with big projects (doing a dissertation all in word is a risky task) - Friendly and prompt support in the lyx-users list! So the decision is up to you. I also depends on the context: Cooperation with word-only-users becomes difficult, cooperation with LaTeX users more easy. If you happen to have a Linux and a W... machine (or both OS on one), LyX has the advantage to run on both.) (Regarding the problem with SPSS tables, see my separat answer.) Guenter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Lyx: some questions and many thanks
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:52:09 +0200 wrote Uwe Grossmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks, that's much better! But ispell marked a word like "Hallen" as unknown > > and shows a list of known words. One is "Halle+n" > Is there another option which I forgot to choose? I am not an expert with ispell, but here is my experience: Besides the dictionary of known words, ispell has some knowledge of flexion. As natural languages are ambique, however, it doesnot use this knowledge automatically but only for the suggestion of alternatives. If you are sure, that the suggestion is correct, you can add the word to your private dictionary and you will never again be asked for this one. (And thus, as the private dictionary grows, gradually the spellchecking will become less interactive) Also, did you try "Zusammengeschriebene Wörter erlauben"? (However, the chance of not recognized errors incrases as well, therefore compounds are normally not allowed but inserted to the dictionary as seperate units.) Günter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: ° in math-mode
On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:46:49 +0200 wrote Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Uwe Grossmann wrote: > > > > I can't find the "0" in math-mode on my keyboard (qwertz-latin1). So i > > hat to switch off the math-mode type "0" and switch back to math-mode. > > It's a little bit boaring. > > I know it's possible to use textcomp. It is fine, but I rather use my > > keycap "0" instead of typing "\textdegree". > > Is there any reason for the absence of "0" in math-mode and how can I > > fix it? > > it's the shift of ^ on my keyboard and there are no problems > in mathmode. it is Shift-^ on my keyboard as well, but it doesnot appear in math-mode. Even toggeling text-in-math does not help. E.g. Ctrl-M 15 Ctrl-M °C results in "15 C". (LyX 1.1.6fix2 under KDE, SuSE-Linux 6.4) Guenter -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk.
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:32:45PM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: > Hi. > > This seems to be a small problem. Lyx doesn't update the postscript > correctly when the figures have been changed but the lyx file is not. > > In this case, I have to change the file before update postscript. Is it > possible to make lyx behave like "make" so it automatically update the > postscript with the file dependencies? It already does that. Upgrading to 1.1.6fix3 should solve your problem. (If you already using 1.1.6fix3, then you need to upgrade your compiler, assuming you compiled lyx yourself).
Re: Bizarre symptom -- no updated Postscript view
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 05:57:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > This is really bizarre. My View->Postscript, View->Update->Postscript, > View->PDF, View->Update->PDF, View->DVI, and View->Update->DVI all show the > file as it was when I started LyX. To get an accurate view I must quit LyX > and then restart. I'm almost positive LyX used to update on the fly. I'm > using 1.1.6fix1 and have not changed it. Upgrade to 1.1.6fix3.
Re: Why LyX?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:57:49PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: > Oh yes, and there's the pretty PS/PDF output as well. An untutored eye may > not immediately pick up on the difference between the same document in > LyX->LaTeX->PS and a standard word-processor, but I think there's a > subliminal effect ;-) you're kidding me ! I've turned tens of normal students onto lyx instead of word (even unix-hating students) entirely as a result of the output. "Wow, that looks great, what did you use to make that ?" john -- "Do you mean to tell me that "The Prince" is not the set textbook for CS1072 Professional Issues ? What on earth do you learn in that course ?" - David Lester
Re: Coping and pasting tables from SPSS
> On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 07:26:57PM +0200, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: > > I have tried alternative approaches.. SPSS offers me to save the table > > in "text mode" which is simply a ASCII formatted table assuming font > > is NON proportional. Needless to say LYX's "no double space, no tab, no > > double enter" basic rule is preventing this to work in any way. Why don't you simply convert this ASCII formatted table into some Tab sepearated table and read this into LyX's table? Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unfortunately i think i am giving up :( Was : ReCoping and pasting tables from SPSS
Le Mercredi 5 Septembre 2001 02:30, vous avez écrit : > This opens up a question: if you leave alone the fact that lyx is free.. > and that the underlying latex is supposely bug free. why features does lyx > offer that word doesnt? (the contrary isnt really to be asked :) ) . I > mean.. all the manual is boasting about has (internal references, footnotes > etc etc.. ) are all things that have existed for at least 5 years in Word, > and the equation editor its the same (if not plain better) than the one > offered in Lyx. For me the main difference is the wysiwym approach of LyX, when I used word I spended lots of time at changing some font size, modifying the tabbing, etc to make it look better, now with LyX I write my text then compile it and the predefined look of LaTeX make my doc look quite better than I would have did it myself. The other main advantage for me is that LyX is some kind of LaTeX front-end and one can use plain LaTeX (or even TeX for the most advanced) commands in the document wich have frequently allowed me to do thing that would have been a pain with a wysiwyg wordprocessor. -- Je ne suis pas une fufeuse qualifiée, mais il me semble que ce bourrage d'urnes est dû avant tout au nom du groupe. -+- SF in: Guide du Cabaliste Usenet - bourrer en sifflottant -+- Renaud MICHEL
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Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Finally, I like the idea that my work will be accessible in its source > format in 20 or 30 years time, as long as I have a readable ascii file, I > can get to it, I would be surprised if I could do the same with a Word > format document and all the other proprietary file formats associated with > Word/Windoze. > > Pete What Pete said ^ is what I was trying to say. The operant question is "who owns your data". With ascii LyX native markup, I own it. Forever. Steve -- Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 14:48, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Finally, I like the idea that my work will be accessible in its source > > format in 20 or 30 years time, as long as I have a readable ascii file, I > > can get to it, I would be surprised if I could do the same with a Word > > format document and all the other proprietary file formats associated > > with Word/Windoze. > > > > Pete > > What Pete said ^ > > is what I was trying to say. The operant question is "who owns your data". > With ascii LyX native markup, I own it. Forever. Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc . I think it's more important that LyX outputs LaTeX. Which reminds me - sorry for the off-topic question - does anyone remember a WP called Wordwriter (used to be popular on the Atari) and have any idea how to convert its files to something more current? Robin
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: > Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc. That does not even hold for most .ps files. Having a format using ASCII char does not necessarily mean you can read it painlessly... Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Lyx ?
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 15:02, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote: > > Well, that goes for most formats other than the notorious .doc. > > That does not even hold for most .ps files. Having a format using ASCII > char does not necessarily mean you can read it painlessly... Having tried to read .ps, I know what you mean. However, .ps and .pdf are output formats, like .dvi. I was thinking more of LaTeX, HTML, SGML and the increasingly popular variants on XML. Robin
Re: why Lyx ?
Yes, I had in mind the input markup being of use in 20 years time, as opposed to the output format de jour. I have in my collections some old files in runnof (from Prime computers amongst others) and nroff files that I can readily access with vi. This works of course only if you have the means to read that old 8inch floppy...
RE: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk.
I did compile it myself...and was really impressed by the space needed to compile it. I would probably try to recompile it, but I am just curious that the compiler comes in with Mandrake 8.0 is outdated. Can you recommand a version number of the gcc that gives lyx correct behaviour when compiled? Thanks. Zailong -Original Message- From: Dekel Tsur To: Zailong Bian; LyX users Sent: 9/5/2001 4:27 AM Subject: Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on disk. On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 08:32:45PM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: > Hi. > > This seems to be a small problem. Lyx doesn't update the postscript > correctly when the figures have been changed but the lyx file is not. > > In this case, I have to change the file before update postscript. Is it > possible to make lyx behave like "make" so it automatically update the > postscript with the file dependencies? It already does that. Upgrading to 1.1.6fix3 should solve your problem. (If you already using 1.1.6fix3, then you need to upgrade your compiler, assuming you compiled lyx yourself).
Re: lyx doesn't update view-ps when included figure changed on di sk.
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:36:15AM -0400, Zailong Bian wrote: > I would probably try to recompile it, but I am just curious that the > compiler comes in with Mandrake 8.0 is outdated. Can you recommand a > version number of the gcc that gives lyx correct behaviour when compiled? 2.95.2 is e.g. ok. Andre' -- André Pönitz . [EMAIL PROTECTED]
