Re: Arabic\Farsi and XeTeX, testing a patch

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote:

 Guenter Milde wrote:
  I see, so we actually have
 
(siht)   for Arabic (babel  polyglossia) and Hebrew (polyglossia)
 
 as well as for Arabic and Hebrew in OpenOffice etc.
 
)siht(   for Hebrew (babel)

 Yes. In the LyX source file, that is. In the LyX workarea, we have (siht)
 in
 all cases.



When I'm typing Hebrew, I want to open braces by typing Shift+0  and close
by Shift+9
When I'm typing English, I want to open braces with Shift+0 and close with
Shift+0

I'm not sure what you mean by correct input .

Re: Arabic\Farsi and XeTeX, testing a patch

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote:

 Guenter Milde wrote:
  I see, so we actually have
 
(siht)   for Arabic (babel  polyglossia) and Hebrew (polyglossia)
 
 as well as for Arabic and Hebrew in OpenOffice etc.
 
)siht(   for Hebrew (babel)

 Yes. In the LyX source file, that is. In the LyX workarea, we have (siht)
 in
 all cases.



When I'm typing Hebrew, I want to open braces by typing Shift+0  and close
by Shift+9
When I'm typing English, I want to open braces with Shift+0 and close with
Shift+0

I'm not sure what you mean by correct input .

Re: Arabic\Farsi and XeTeX, testing a patch

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:

> Guenter Milde wrote:
> > I see, so we actually have
> >
> >   (siht)   for Arabic (babel & polyglossia) and Hebrew (polyglossia)
> >
> >as well as for Arabic and Hebrew in OpenOffice etc.
> >
> >   )siht(   for Hebrew (babel)
>
> Yes. In the LyX source file, that is. In the LyX workarea, we have (siht)
> in
> all cases.
>
>

When I'm typing Hebrew, I want to open braces by typing Shift+0  and close
by Shift+9
When I'm typing English, I want to open braces with Shift+0 and close with
Shift+0

I'm not sure what you mean by "correct input" .

Arabic\Farsi and XeTeX, testing a patch

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hello to you all,

Recently, I bumped into a 'bug' that effects the export of Hebrew LyX
document into XeTeX documents. The bug was fixed by Jürgen Spitzmüller and
myself, and it works grate for Hebrew.
For more information, see
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8251


But as Arabic and Farsi are also Right-To-Left languages, I assume this
correction also effect these languages. From 1st glance, it seems that
Arabic also works good now, but I have no real experience in writing
Arabic\Farsi in LyX. If you do use LyX in Arabic or Farsi, I will be happy
if you'll help checking it.

System Req:
- New version of LaTeX, like texLive 2011 (texLive 2009, as in Ubuntu, have
an old version of Bidi and polyglassia packages, so you'll have to install
them manually,  http://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/xetex/latex/polyglossia,
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/bidi/ )
 - LyX, updated GIT version with the patch rtl2.diff from
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8251
 - Unicode-enabled TTF arabic\farci font. I used Debian package
fonts-sil-scheherazade for arabic font.

What to do:
- In an old (2.0x) LyX version, write an arabic document.
- Document-Preferences-Fonts.  mark 'use non-Tex fonts' and choose a
proper arabic\farsi font from the available combos.
- Write a document that contains many braces, ( ) ,  , {} , []  [in
Arabic\Farsi and in English, not in math)
- Compile the document using XeTex  (View-View [other formats] - PDF
(XeTeX)
- Is the document compiled properly? is all the braces are as expected?

Do the same thing with the patched GIT version:
- Is the document compiled properly? is all the braces are as expected?

If, in the patched version not everything works grate, please attached the
original LyX file, the output PDF, and if possible, also the XeTeX output.


Thanks,
Ronen.

Arabic\Farsi and XeTeX, testing a patch

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hello to you all,

Recently, I bumped into a 'bug' that effects the export of Hebrew LyX
document into XeTeX documents. The bug was fixed by Jürgen Spitzmüller and
myself, and it works grate for Hebrew.
For more information, see
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8251


But as Arabic and Farsi are also Right-To-Left languages, I assume this
correction also effect these languages. From 1st glance, it seems that
Arabic also works good now, but I have no real experience in writing
Arabic\Farsi in LyX. If you do use LyX in Arabic or Farsi, I will be happy
if you'll help checking it.

System Req:
- New version of LaTeX, like texLive 2011 (texLive 2009, as in Ubuntu, have
an old version of Bidi and polyglassia packages, so you'll have to install
them manually,  http://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/xetex/latex/polyglossia,
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/bidi/ )
 - LyX, updated GIT version with the patch rtl2.diff from
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8251
 - Unicode-enabled TTF arabic\farci font. I used Debian package
fonts-sil-scheherazade for arabic font.

What to do:
- In an old (2.0x) LyX version, write an arabic document.
- Document-Preferences-Fonts.  mark 'use non-Tex fonts' and choose a
proper arabic\farsi font from the available combos.
- Write a document that contains many braces, ( ) ,  , {} , []  [in
Arabic\Farsi and in English, not in math)
- Compile the document using XeTex  (View-View [other formats] - PDF
(XeTeX)
- Is the document compiled properly? is all the braces are as expected?

Do the same thing with the patched GIT version:
- Is the document compiled properly? is all the braces are as expected?

If, in the patched version not everything works grate, please attached the
original LyX file, the output PDF, and if possible, also the XeTeX output.


Thanks,
Ronen.

Arabic\Farsi and XeTeX, testing a patch

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hello to you all,

Recently, I bumped into a 'bug' that effects the export of Hebrew LyX
document into XeTeX documents. The bug was fixed by Jürgen Spitzmüller and
myself, and it works grate for Hebrew.
For more information, see
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8251


But as Arabic and Farsi are also Right-To-Left languages, I assume this
correction also effect these languages. From 1st glance, it seems that
Arabic also works good now, but I have no real experience in writing
Arabic\Farsi in LyX. If you do use LyX in Arabic or Farsi, I will be happy
if you'll help checking it.

System Req:
- New version of LaTeX, like texLive 2011 (texLive 2009, as in Ubuntu, have
an old version of Bidi and polyglassia packages, so you'll have to install
them manually,  http://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/xetex/latex/polyglossia,
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/bidi/ )
 - LyX, updated GIT version with the patch rtl2.diff from
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8251
 - Unicode-enabled TTF arabic\farci font. I used Debian package
fonts-sil-scheherazade for arabic font.

What to do:
- In an old (2.0x) LyX version, write an arabic document.
- Document->Preferences->Fonts.  mark 'use non-Tex fonts' and choose a
proper arabic\farsi font from the available combos.
- Write a document that contains many braces, ( ) , <> , {} , []  [in
Arabic\Farsi and in English, not in math)
- Compile the document using XeTex  (View->View [other formats] -> PDF
(XeTeX)
- Is the document compiled properly? is all the braces are as expected?

Do the same thing with the patched GIT version:
- Is the document compiled properly? is all the braces are as expected?

If, in the patched version not everything works grate, please attached the
original LyX file, the output PDF, and if possible, also the XeTeX output.


Thanks,
Ronen.

LyX as a presentation tool

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hello,

I've been using LyX for writing notes and papers for the last ~8 years, and
lately I started using lyx in a new form, that might be of an interest to
others: As a presentation tool.

The general idea is simple: As I teach (modern physics for EE students),
instead of writing on a white-board with my awful handwrite, I just type
the lesson into a computer connected into a projector. Both text and math.
I stand in front of the class, talking to them, looking at them, and type.
Occasionally I leave my laptop and draw something on the board, or do some
demonstration, For illustrations, I'm either insert them into the document
(god bless inset-insert graphics and the minibuffer), or, if the figures
are simple, and I find that it may be instructive to draw them gradually, I
draw on the board.  If I wont to remind the students something from earlier
part of the class, I split the display into Left\Right half, and scroll one
of them up while continue working on the other half.

This methods have many advantages

Over handwriting on the board:
* The main one, the the one lead me to do it: Not forcing the student dose
not have to read my bad handwrite, and I don't spend much time on writing
neatly.
* I'm always facing the class -- I'm not turn my back to them as I write
(only look little bit down, at my screen), so I can see them, and they can
see my face and hear me better.
* When I have complex illustration, I can just add it to the document..

And over pre-made slides:
* Saves time -- I do not have to typeset slides in advance (Also:
Beamer+Hebrew+LyX is a disaster, so it would force me to turn into OO\MS PP
or something like that, which is almost as bad)
* Dynamic -- I can write notes and skip\add steps and lines during the
class.
* Slow -- Doing math on slides is bad. Most of the time, the slides are too
crowded to understand, and fill-up at once, and not character by character
as one would like on the board. When I'm typing with the class, I'm keeping
on slow paste, so the can understand the math and follow by it.

But also some disadvantages:
* My screen is about 1/4 the size of the whiteboard, and LyX is rather
lossy in screen-space. So, instead of just pointing into other parts of the
board, I have to split\scroll.
* The class's screen reaches to low, So, in order to let the students see
the all screen, I switch into fullscreen mode, and then add toolbars from
below in order to push the effective screen upwards.
* When writing in lyx, one always writes on the bottom part of the screen.
There is no good way  (after writing more then screen-full of text) to
start from top, add lines from beneath and then shift to a new screen
when I fill it.
* It's rather ugly when I write \latexCommand in red, and just when I'm
finish its render into symbol.

Few points one can improve (mostly theoretical. some will demand big many
expanse from my university, and some are Itches I should scratch when I'll
have time to code)
* Create half-slide-mode in lyx: Copy one document into another, character
by character, When I'm pressing a single key. It will require preparation
(but anyhow, I prepared the lesson in advance as a lyx document... I don't
remember all by heart , and anyway, it's still a lot easier then creating
lyx\beamer slides), but it will save effort and mistakes during the class ,
while still enable grate flexibility.
* I wish I had 2 VGA output and 2 projectors, and LyX would switch from the
end of one screen into the top of a new-clean-page at the other screen
whenever I fill out the 1st. That would be just perfect :-P.
* I should get something higher then the teacher's table to put my laptop
on. For now, I have to bend over it, and my back is not happy.

Anyway, I'm doing it for a month now,  3 hours a week, and the  experience
for both me and my students is positive. If you have to teach stuff and
don't wont to write on a board, you may consider using lyx. it's fun!

- Ronen.

LyX as a presentation tool

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hello,

I've been using LyX for writing notes and papers for the last ~8 years, and
lately I started using lyx in a new form, that might be of an interest to
others: As a presentation tool.

The general idea is simple: As I teach (modern physics for EE students),
instead of writing on a white-board with my awful handwrite, I just type
the lesson into a computer connected into a projector. Both text and math.
I stand in front of the class, talking to them, looking at them, and type.
Occasionally I leave my laptop and draw something on the board, or do some
demonstration, For illustrations, I'm either insert them into the document
(god bless inset-insert graphics and the minibuffer), or, if the figures
are simple, and I find that it may be instructive to draw them gradually, I
draw on the board.  If I wont to remind the students something from earlier
part of the class, I split the display into Left\Right half, and scroll one
of them up while continue working on the other half.

This methods have many advantages

Over handwriting on the board:
* The main one, the the one lead me to do it: Not forcing the student dose
not have to read my bad handwrite, and I don't spend much time on writing
neatly.
* I'm always facing the class -- I'm not turn my back to them as I write
(only look little bit down, at my screen), so I can see them, and they can
see my face and hear me better.
* When I have complex illustration, I can just add it to the document..

And over pre-made slides:
* Saves time -- I do not have to typeset slides in advance (Also:
Beamer+Hebrew+LyX is a disaster, so it would force me to turn into OO\MS PP
or something like that, which is almost as bad)
* Dynamic -- I can write notes and skip\add steps and lines during the
class.
* Slow -- Doing math on slides is bad. Most of the time, the slides are too
crowded to understand, and fill-up at once, and not character by character
as one would like on the board. When I'm typing with the class, I'm keeping
on slow paste, so the can understand the math and follow by it.

But also some disadvantages:
* My screen is about 1/4 the size of the whiteboard, and LyX is rather
lossy in screen-space. So, instead of just pointing into other parts of the
board, I have to split\scroll.
* The class's screen reaches to low, So, in order to let the students see
the all screen, I switch into fullscreen mode, and then add toolbars from
below in order to push the effective screen upwards.
* When writing in lyx, one always writes on the bottom part of the screen.
There is no good way  (after writing more then screen-full of text) to
start from top, add lines from beneath and then shift to a new screen
when I fill it.
* It's rather ugly when I write \latexCommand in red, and just when I'm
finish its render into symbol.

Few points one can improve (mostly theoretical. some will demand big many
expanse from my university, and some are Itches I should scratch when I'll
have time to code)
* Create half-slide-mode in lyx: Copy one document into another, character
by character, When I'm pressing a single key. It will require preparation
(but anyhow, I prepared the lesson in advance as a lyx document... I don't
remember all by heart , and anyway, it's still a lot easier then creating
lyx\beamer slides), but it will save effort and mistakes during the class ,
while still enable grate flexibility.
* I wish I had 2 VGA output and 2 projectors, and LyX would switch from the
end of one screen into the top of a new-clean-page at the other screen
whenever I fill out the 1st. That would be just perfect :-P.
* I should get something higher then the teacher's table to put my laptop
on. For now, I have to bend over it, and my back is not happy.

Anyway, I'm doing it for a month now,  3 hours a week, and the  experience
for both me and my students is positive. If you have to teach stuff and
don't wont to write on a board, you may consider using lyx. it's fun!

- Ronen.

LyX as a presentation tool

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hello,

I've been using LyX for writing notes and papers for the last ~8 years, and
lately I started using lyx in a new form, that might be of an interest to
others: As a presentation tool.

The general idea is simple: As I teach (modern physics for EE students),
instead of writing on a white-board with my awful handwrite, I just type
the lesson into a computer connected into a projector. Both text and math.
I stand in front of the class, talking to them, looking at them, and type.
Occasionally I leave my laptop and draw something on the board, or do some
demonstration, For illustrations, I'm either insert them into the document
(god bless inset-insert graphics and the minibuffer), or, if the figures
are simple, and I find that it may be instructive to draw them gradually, I
draw on the board.  If I wont to remind the students something from earlier
part of the class, I split the display into Left\Right half, and scroll one
of them up while continue working on the other half.

This methods have many advantages

Over handwriting on the board:
* The main one, the the one lead me to do it: Not forcing the student dose
not have to read my bad handwrite, and I don't spend much time on writing
neatly.
* I'm always facing the class -- I'm not turn my back to them as I write
(only look little bit down, at my screen), so I can see them, and they can
see my face and hear me better.
* When I have complex illustration, I can just add it to the document..

And over pre-made slides:
* Saves time -- I do not have to typeset slides in advance (Also:
Beamer+Hebrew+LyX is a disaster, so it would force me to turn into OO\MS PP
or something like that, which is almost as bad)
* Dynamic -- I can write notes and skip\add steps and lines during the
class.
* Slow -- Doing math on slides is bad. Most of the time, the slides are too
crowded to understand, and fill-up at once, and not character by character
as one would like on the board. When I'm typing with the class, I'm keeping
on slow paste, so the can understand the math and follow by it.

But also some disadvantages:
* My screen is about 1/4 the size of the whiteboard, and LyX is rather
lossy in screen-space. So, instead of just pointing into other parts of the
board, I have to split\scroll.
* The class's screen reaches to low, So, in order to let the students see
the all screen, I switch into fullscreen mode, and then add toolbars from
below in order to push the effective screen upwards.
* When writing in lyx, one always writes on the bottom part of the screen.
There is no good way  (after writing more then screen-full of text) to
start from top, add lines from beneath and then shift to a "new" screen
when I fill it.
* It's rather ugly when I write \latexCommand in red, and just when I'm
finish its render into symbol.

Few points one can improve (mostly theoretical. some will demand big many
expanse from my university, and some are "Itches I should scratch when I'll
have time to code")
* Create half-slide-mode in lyx: Copy one document into another, character
by character, When I'm pressing a single key. It will require preparation
(but anyhow, I prepared the lesson in advance as a lyx document... I don't
remember all by heart , and anyway, it's still a lot easier then creating
lyx\beamer slides), but it will save effort and mistakes during the class ,
while still enable grate flexibility.
* I wish I had 2 VGA output and 2 projectors, and LyX would switch from the
end of one screen into the top of a new-clean-page at the other screen
whenever I fill out the 1st. That would be just perfect :-P.
* I should get something higher then the teacher's table to put my laptop
on. For now, I have to bend over it, and my back is not happy.

Anyway, I'm doing it for a month now,  3 hours a week, and the  experience
for both me and my students is positive. If you have to teach stuff and
don't wont to write on a board, you may consider using lyx. it's fun!

- Ronen.

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

Translated my stuff to english:
http://technion.ac.il/~ronen/lyxlecture2/en/

probably there are some grammar problems. use freely.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:
   department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
   scene
   LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of
 demonstration
   of
   what can I do and how can I do that.
  
   If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English
 (few
  
  What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
  myself.
 
  Hebrew.
 
 Oh, I haven't gotten to Hebrew yet. :) If you have time and it's not
 much bother, I would indeed much appreciate a starting point for my
 workshop. Please let me know.

 Cheers
 Liviu

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

Translated my stuff to english:
http://technion.ac.il/~ronen/lyxlecture2/en/

probably there are some grammar problems. use freely.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:
   department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
   scene
   LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of
 demonstration
   of
   what can I do and how can I do that.
  
   If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English
 (few
  
  What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
  myself.
 
  Hebrew.
 
 Oh, I haven't gotten to Hebrew yet. :) If you have time and it's not
 much bother, I would indeed much appreciate a starting point for my
 workshop. Please let me know.

 Cheers
 Liviu

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

Translated my stuff to english:
http://technion.ac.il/~ronen/lyxlecture2/en/

probably there are some grammar problems. use freely.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel <ron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what
> >> > scene
> >> > LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of
> demonstration
> >> > of
> >> > what can I do and how can I do that.
> >> >
> >> > If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English
> (few
> >> >
> >> What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
> >> myself.
> >>
> > Hebrew.
> >
> Oh, I haven't gotten to Hebrew yet. :) If you have time and it's not
> much bother, I would indeed much appreciate a starting point for my
> workshop. Please let me know.
>
> Cheers
> Liviu
>

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
 
 I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.


  department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
 scene
  LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration
 of
  what can I do and how can I do that.
 
  If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
 
 What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
 myself.

 Hebrew.


  beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this...
 list...
 
 This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
 Liviu



  Ronen
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Dear all
  I think this is a very good idea.
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
   4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
   LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
 materials to
   help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials
 for
   people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've
 also
   thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and
 these
   materials would help provide a curriculum.)
  
  I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
  and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
  (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
  by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
  bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
 
  At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
  preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
  this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
  please post them here.
 
  Regards
  Liviu
 
 



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Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
 
 I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.


  department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
 scene
  LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration
 of
  what can I do and how can I do that.
 
  If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
 
 What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
 myself.

 Hebrew.


  beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this...
 list...
 
 This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
 Liviu



  Ronen
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Dear all
  I think this is a very good idea.
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
   4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
   LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
 materials to
   help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials
 for
   people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've
 also
   thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and
 these
   materials would help provide a curriculum.)
  
  I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
  and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
  (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
  by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
  bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
 
  At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
  preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
  this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
  please post them here.
 
  Regards
  Liviu
 
 



 --
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Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel <ron...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
> >
> I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.
>
>
> > department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what
> scene
> > LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of demonstration
> of
> > what can I do and how can I do that.
> >
> > If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
> >
> What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
> myself.
>
> Hebrew.

>
> > beamer-slides, and 3 pages of "do that in order to achieve this..."
> list...
> >
> This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
> Liviu
>
>
>
> > Ronen
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic <landronim...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all
> >> I think this is a very good idea.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes <lyx-de...@oak-tree.us>
> wrote:
> >> > 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
> >> > LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
> materials to
> >> > help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials
> for
> >> > people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've
> also
> >> > thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and
> these
> >> > materials would help provide a curriculum.)
> >> >
> >> I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
> >> and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
> >> (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
> >> by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
> >> bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
> >>
> >> At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help > Documentation' in
> >> preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
> >> this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
> >> please post them here.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Liviu
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Do you know how to read?
> http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm
> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
> Do you know how to write?
> http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
>

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene
LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
what can I do and how can I do that.

If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this... list...

Ronen

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.


 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
  4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
 LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
 help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
 people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
 thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

 Regards
 Liviu

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what scene
LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
what can I do and how can I do that.

If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this... list...

Ronen

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all
 I think this is a very good idea.


 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
  4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
 LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
 help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
 people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
 thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)
 
 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

 Regards
 Liviu

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and "in what scene
LyX is different from word", and then about 40 minutes of demonstration of
what can I do and how can I do that.

If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
beamer-slides, and 3 pages of "do that in order to achieve this..." list...

Ronen

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> Dear all
> I think this is a very good idea.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
> > 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
> LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to
> help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for
> people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also
> thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
> materials would help provide a curriculum.)
> >
> I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
> and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
> (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
> by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
> bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
>
> At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help > Documentation' in
> preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
> this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
> please post them here.
>
> Regards
> Liviu
>

Re: Multicol package - right to left alignment?

[Ronen Abravanel]

A Blog Post (In hebrew) by Yehoda Ronen regarding multicol and Hebrew:
http://digitalwords.net/?p=122

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Barak Sh bara...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks! However, the code does not seem to change anything.

 Barak


 On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.orgwrote:

 Op 19-6-2010 11:56, Barak Sh schreef:

  Hello,
 I'm trying to use the multicol package in order to print a formula sheet
 with 3 columns and a vertical line separating them. The document is in
 Hebrew and should be aligned right to left.
 When using the usual Two-column document setting in LyX, the columns
 are aligned right to left as required. However, when using multicol, the
 columns are aligned left to right.
 Is there any way to solve this problem?
 Thanks in advance,
 Barak


 see http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6389.

 In this bug it was reported that using the normal two-column document
 the columns were aligned wrong.

 If you add the code in the last block to your preamble it should work.
 Please report back whether this fixes your problem.

 Vincent

Re: Multicol package - right to left alignment?

[Ronen Abravanel]

A Blog Post (In hebrew) by Yehoda Ronen regarding multicol and Hebrew:
http://digitalwords.net/?p=122

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Barak Sh bara...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks! However, the code does not seem to change anything.

 Barak


 On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.orgwrote:

 Op 19-6-2010 11:56, Barak Sh schreef:

  Hello,
 I'm trying to use the multicol package in order to print a formula sheet
 with 3 columns and a vertical line separating them. The document is in
 Hebrew and should be aligned right to left.
 When using the usual Two-column document setting in LyX, the columns
 are aligned right to left as required. However, when using multicol, the
 columns are aligned left to right.
 Is there any way to solve this problem?
 Thanks in advance,
 Barak


 see http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6389.

 In this bug it was reported that using the normal two-column document
 the columns were aligned wrong.

 If you add the code in the last block to your preamble it should work.
 Please report back whether this fixes your problem.

 Vincent

Re: Multicol package - right to left alignment?

[Ronen Abravanel]

A Blog Post (In hebrew) by Yehoda Ronen regarding multicol and Hebrew:
http://digitalwords.net/?p=122

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Barak Sh  wrote:

> Thanks! However, the code does not seem to change anything.
>
> Barak
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
>
>> Op 19-6-2010 11:56, Barak Sh schreef:
>>
>>  Hello,
>>> I'm trying to use the multicol package in order to print a formula sheet
>>> with 3 columns and a vertical line separating them. The document is in
>>> Hebrew and should be aligned right to left.
>>> When using the usual "Two-column document" setting in LyX, the columns
>>> are aligned right to left as required. However, when using multicol, the
>>> columns are aligned left to right.
>>> Is there any way to solve this problem?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Barak
>>>
>>
>> see http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6389.
>>
>> In this bug it was reported that using the normal "two-column document"
>> the columns were aligned wrong.
>>
>> If you add the code in the last block to your preamble it should work.
>> Please report back whether this fixes your problem.
>>
>> Vincent
>>
>
>

Re: using hyperref with Hebrew documents

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hebrew+hyperref  works well using XeTex and bidi package. Unfortunately,
LyX's stable version dose not support XeTeX.
I could not get any output for Hebrew and hyperref using LaTeX on Tex-Live.

Ronen.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Orgad Shaneh org...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 When I use hyperref in conjunction with babel, and the document
 language is defined as Hebrew, it doesn't compile.

 I tried both MiKTeX and TeXlive, The message I'm getting is:
 ! pdfTeX error (ext4): pdf_link_stack empty, \pdfendlink used without
 \pdfstart
 link?.
 \atbeg...@output ...ipout \box \AtBeginShipoutBox
  \fi \fi
 l.13 \pagebreak{
}
 !  == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

 Here's an example document. Parts of it are in Hebrew, codepage 1255.

 %% LyX 1.6.2 created this file.  For more info, see http://www.lyx.org/.
 %% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
 \documentclass[english,hebrew]{article}
 \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
 \usepackage[latin9,cp1255]{inputenc}
 \setlength{\parskip}{\medskipamount}
 \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
 \usepackage{babel}

 \usepackage[unicode=true,
  bookmarks=true,bookmarksnumbered=false,bookmarksopen=false,
  breaklinks=true,pdfborder={0 0 1},backref=false,colorlinks=false]
  {hyperref}

 \makeatletter
 %% Textclass specific LaTeX commands.
 \usepackage{theorem}
 \theorembodyfont{\upshape}
 \newtheorem{theorem}{\R{משפט}}[section]
 \atbegindocument{\m...@lr\thetheorem}

 \makeatother

 \begin{document}

 \title{בדיקה}

 \maketitle
 \tableofcontents{}

 \pagebreak{}


 \section{סעיף ראשון}


 \subsection{תת-סעיף ראשון}

 לה לה

 לי לי

 לו לו

 \pagebreak{}


 \section{סעיף שני}


 \subsection{תת-סעיף ראשון}

 לה לה


 \subsection{תת-סעיף שני}

 לי לי
 \end{document}

Re: using hyperref with Hebrew documents

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hebrew+hyperref  works well using XeTex and bidi package. Unfortunately,
LyX's stable version dose not support XeTeX.
I could not get any output for Hebrew and hyperref using LaTeX on Tex-Live.

Ronen.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Orgad Shaneh org...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 When I use hyperref in conjunction with babel, and the document
 language is defined as Hebrew, it doesn't compile.

 I tried both MiKTeX and TeXlive, The message I'm getting is:
 ! pdfTeX error (ext4): pdf_link_stack empty, \pdfendlink used without
 \pdfstart
 link?.
 \atbeg...@output ...ipout \box \AtBeginShipoutBox
  \fi \fi
 l.13 \pagebreak{
}
 !  == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

 Here's an example document. Parts of it are in Hebrew, codepage 1255.

 %% LyX 1.6.2 created this file.  For more info, see http://www.lyx.org/.
 %% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
 \documentclass[english,hebrew]{article}
 \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
 \usepackage[latin9,cp1255]{inputenc}
 \setlength{\parskip}{\medskipamount}
 \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
 \usepackage{babel}

 \usepackage[unicode=true,
  bookmarks=true,bookmarksnumbered=false,bookmarksopen=false,
  breaklinks=true,pdfborder={0 0 1},backref=false,colorlinks=false]
  {hyperref}

 \makeatletter
 %% Textclass specific LaTeX commands.
 \usepackage{theorem}
 \theorembodyfont{\upshape}
 \newtheorem{theorem}{\R{משפט}}[section]
 \atbegindocument{\m...@lr\thetheorem}

 \makeatother

 \begin{document}

 \title{בדיקה}

 \maketitle
 \tableofcontents{}

 \pagebreak{}


 \section{סעיף ראשון}


 \subsection{תת-סעיף ראשון}

 לה לה

 לי לי

 לו לו

 \pagebreak{}


 \section{סעיף שני}


 \subsection{תת-סעיף ראשון}

 לה לה


 \subsection{תת-סעיף שני}

 לי לי
 \end{document}

Re: using hyperref with Hebrew documents

[Ronen Abravanel]

Hebrew+hyperref  works well using XeTex and "bidi" package. Unfortunately,
LyX's stable version dose not support XeTeX.
I could not get any output for Hebrew and hyperref using LaTeX on Tex-Live.

Ronen.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Orgad Shaneh  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> When I use hyperref in conjunction with babel, and the document
> language is defined as Hebrew, it doesn't compile.
>
> I tried both MiKTeX and TeXlive, The message I'm getting is:
> ! pdfTeX error (ext4): pdf_link_stack empty, \pdfendlink used without
> \pdfstart
> link?.
> \atbeg...@output ...ipout \box \AtBeginShipoutBox
>  \fi \fi
> l.13 \pagebreak{
>}
> !  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>
> Here's an example document. Parts of it are in Hebrew, codepage 1255.
>
> %% LyX 1.6.2 created this file.  For more info, see http://www.lyx.org/.
> %% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
> \documentclass[english,hebrew]{article}
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> \usepackage[latin9,cp1255]{inputenc}
> \setlength{\parskip}{\medskipamount}
> \setlength{\parindent}{0pt}
> \usepackage{babel}
>
> \usepackage[unicode=true,
>  bookmarks=true,bookmarksnumbered=false,bookmarksopen=false,
>  breaklinks=true,pdfborder={0 0 1},backref=false,colorlinks=false]
>  {hyperref}
>
> \makeatletter
> %% Textclass specific LaTeX commands.
> \usepackage{theorem}
> \theorembodyfont{\upshape}
> \newtheorem{theorem}{\R{משפט}}[section]
> \atbegindocument{\m...@lr\thetheorem}
>
> \makeatother
>
> \begin{document}
>
> \title{בדיקה}
>
> \maketitle
> \tableofcontents{}
>
> \pagebreak{}
>
>
> \section{סעיף ראשון}
>
>
> \subsection{תת-סעיף ראשון}
>
> לה לה
>
> לי לי
>
> לו לו
>
> \pagebreak{}
>
>
> \section{סעיף שני}
>
>
> \subsection{תת-סעיף ראשון}
>
> לה לה
>
>
> \subsection{תת-סעיף שני}
>
> לי לי
> \end{document}
>

Supporting Tabular-like features of Array environment in math mode.

[Ronen Abravanel]

Is there a way, In LyX, to create Horizontal\Vertical borders in array, Like
those in Table?

In LaTeX code, it's exactly the same,  But I could not find how to do that
in LyX.


Thanks,
Ronen

Supporting Tabular-like features of Array environment in math mode.

[Ronen Abravanel]

Is there a way, In LyX, to create Horizontal\Vertical borders in array, Like
those in Table?

In LaTeX code, it's exactly the same,  But I could not find how to do that
in LyX.


Thanks,
Ronen

Supporting Tabular-like features of Array environment in math mode.

[Ronen Abravanel]

Is there a way, In LyX, to create Horizontal\Vertical borders in array, Like
those in Table?

In LaTeX code, it's exactly the same,  But I could not find how to do that
in LyX.


Thanks,
Ronen

Re: Why does lyx use it's own keyboard instead of the systems?

[Ronen Abravanel]

Before you rush into this change - Consider the following usecase:
Switching to math - When I'm in math-mode, I always want my keyboard layout
to be English. While In windows, The current keyboard layout override the
global one (If you put the cursor in an Hebrew context, the language will
switch to Hebrew, If you put your cursor in English context - you'll write
in English).
When I'm writing document, I want the Ctrl+m will be the only thing I need
to do in order to start typing math. Ctrl-m Alt-Shift Is match to
expensive..

So - If LyX will use the native-system-keyboard-layout - It will have to be
able to change it depending the current context (Math\Regular) - And in
every OS.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote:

 Micha Feigin wrote:

 Sorry, sent off list by mistake

 On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:05:51 +0100
 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

  There are two issues. For running the dictionary you need to know  the
 language.
 For hebrew and arabic it's another issue, you need to know the  system
 language
 so that you know directionality. Hebrew is right to left. For  hebrew
 characters
 it may be easy to decide, for what about spaces and numbers? For  these
 we need
 to know the system keyboard language and not guess it from the
  character.

 Under windows I know it's possible since for example word does it.
  Question is
 whether this is possible to know under linux (I guess so since  there
 are panel
 applets that show the language). Which again comes down to the  question
 whether
 there is a technical issue why to work this way or not.

 So you want to change language when the keyboard layout is changed at
  system level, right?
 I never thought of these layouts as indicators of the actual  language.
 If Qt gives us
 this information, we should be able to do it.

 JMarc


 For every other program the system language is used for input (alt-shift
 in my
 case). So for example when writing mail or using oowriter I change the
 system
 language to change input. Lyx is the only exeption where I __have__ to
 keep the
 system language for english and bind (f12 in this case) to language
 hebrew. It
 makes things incosistent and non-intuitive, esspecially for new users.


 I agree. For RTL languages, it makes a lot of sense to change the current
 language together with the system. Advanced users wishing to change the
 language independently should be able to disable this feature though.

 Now, you have to find someone willing to implement this feature ;-)

 FYI, a year or two ago I advocated that the text direction should be based
 uniquely on the encoding, independently of the language settings, like Qt
 does. But I failed to convince other developers.

 Dov, are you reading this? ;-)

 Abdel.

Re: Why does lyx use it's own keyboard instead of the systems?

[Ronen Abravanel]

Before you rush into this change - Consider the following usecase:
Switching to math - When I'm in math-mode, I always want my keyboard layout
to be English. While In windows, The current keyboard layout override the
global one (If you put the cursor in an Hebrew context, the language will
switch to Hebrew, If you put your cursor in English context - you'll write
in English).
When I'm writing document, I want the Ctrl+m will be the only thing I need
to do in order to start typing math. Ctrl-m Alt-Shift Is match to
expensive..

So - If LyX will use the native-system-keyboard-layout - It will have to be
able to change it depending the current context (Math\Regular) - And in
every OS.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote:

 Micha Feigin wrote:

 Sorry, sent off list by mistake

 On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:05:51 +0100
 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:

  There are two issues. For running the dictionary you need to know  the
 language.
 For hebrew and arabic it's another issue, you need to know the  system
 language
 so that you know directionality. Hebrew is right to left. For  hebrew
 characters
 it may be easy to decide, for what about spaces and numbers? For  these
 we need
 to know the system keyboard language and not guess it from the
  character.

 Under windows I know it's possible since for example word does it.
  Question is
 whether this is possible to know under linux (I guess so since  there
 are panel
 applets that show the language). Which again comes down to the  question
 whether
 there is a technical issue why to work this way or not.

 So you want to change language when the keyboard layout is changed at
  system level, right?
 I never thought of these layouts as indicators of the actual  language.
 If Qt gives us
 this information, we should be able to do it.

 JMarc


 For every other program the system language is used for input (alt-shift
 in my
 case). So for example when writing mail or using oowriter I change the
 system
 language to change input. Lyx is the only exeption where I __have__ to
 keep the
 system language for english and bind (f12 in this case) to language
 hebrew. It
 makes things incosistent and non-intuitive, esspecially for new users.


 I agree. For RTL languages, it makes a lot of sense to change the current
 language together with the system. Advanced users wishing to change the
 language independently should be able to disable this feature though.

 Now, you have to find someone willing to implement this feature ;-)

 FYI, a year or two ago I advocated that the text direction should be based
 uniquely on the encoding, independently of the language settings, like Qt
 does. But I failed to convince other developers.

 Dov, are you reading this? ;-)

 Abdel.

Re: Why does lyx use it's own keyboard instead of the systems?

[Ronen Abravanel]

Before you rush into this change - Consider the following usecase:
Switching to math - When I'm in math-mode, I always want my keyboard layout
to be English. While In windows, The current keyboard layout override the
global one (If you put the cursor in an Hebrew context, the language will
switch to Hebrew, If you put your cursor in English context - you'll write
in English).
When I'm writing document, I want the Ctrl+m will be the only thing I need
to do in order to start typing math. "Ctrl-m Alt-Shift" Is match to
expensive..

So - If LyX will use the native-system-keyboard-layout - It will have to be
able to change it depending the current context (Math\Regular) - And in
every OS.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Abdelrazak Younes  wrote:

> Micha Feigin wrote:
>
>> Sorry, sent off list by mistake
>>
>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 22:05:51 +0100
>> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes  wrote:
>>
>>  There are two issues. For running the dictionary you need to know  the
 language.
 For hebrew and arabic it's another issue, you need to know the  system
 language
 so that you know directionality. Hebrew is right to left. For  hebrew
 characters
 it may be easy to decide, for what about spaces and numbers? For  these
 we need
 to know the system keyboard language and not guess it from the
  character.

 Under windows I know it's possible since for example word does it.
  Question is
 whether this is possible to know under linux (I guess so since  there
 are panel
 applets that show the language). Which again comes down to the  question
 whether
 there is a technical issue why to work this way or not.

>>> So you want to change language when the keyboard layout is changed at
>>>  system level, right?
>>> I never thought of these layouts as indicators of the actual  language.
>>> If Qt gives us
>>> this information, we should be able to do it.
>>>
>>> JMarc
>>>
>>>
>> For every other program the system language is used for input (alt-shift
>> in my
>> case). So for example when writing mail or using oowriter I change the
>> system
>> language to change input. Lyx is the only exeption where I __have__ to
>> keep the
>> system language for english and bind (f12 in this case) to language
>> hebrew. It
>> makes things incosistent and non-intuitive, esspecially for new users.
>>
>
> I agree. For RTL languages, it makes a lot of sense to change the current
> language together with the system. Advanced users wishing to change the
> language independently should be able to disable this feature though.
>
> Now, you have to find someone willing to implement this feature ;-)
>
> FYI, a year or two ago I advocated that the text direction should be based
> uniquely on the encoding, independently of the language settings, like Qt
> does. But I failed to convince other developers.
>
> Dov, are you reading this? ;-)
>
> Abdel.
>
>

Exporting Hebrew tex file under OS-X

[Ronen Abravanel]

When I try to export Hebrew LyX file into TeX file, It's print out an error:
basic_filebuf::_M_convert_to_external conversion error

(Lyx 1.6 On Os X)

What can I do?

Thanks,
Ronen.

Exporting Hebrew tex file under OS-X

[Ronen Abravanel]

When I try to export Hebrew LyX file into TeX file, It's print out an error:
basic_filebuf::_M_convert_to_external conversion error

(Lyx 1.6 On Os X)

What can I do?

Thanks,
Ronen.

Exporting Hebrew tex file under OS-X

[Ronen Abravanel]

When I try to export Hebrew LyX file into TeX file, It's print out an error:
"basic_filebuf::_M_convert_to_external conversion error"

(Lyx 1.6 On Os X)

What can I do?

Thanks,
Ronen.

command sequences, get Info from user.

[Ronen Abravanel]

When I create a command sequences, There is any way to get input from user in 
a pop-up input box or something like that? (like VB's input box, 
Xdialog/Kdialog  --inputbox, etc),
It is usefull to create a sequences binded to a key, to add something with 
user-entered-content.

Thanks,
Ronen.

command sequences, get Info from user.

[Ronen Abravanel]

When I create a command sequences, There is any way to get input from user in 
a pop-up input box or something like that? (like VB's input box, 
Xdialog/Kdialog  --inputbox, etc),
It is usefull to create a sequences binded to a key, to add something with 
user-entered-content.

Thanks,
Ronen.

command sequences, get Info from user.

[Ronen Abravanel]

When I create a command sequences, There is any way to get input from user in 
a pop-up input box or something like that? (like VB's input box, 
Xdialog/Kdialog  --inputbox, etc),
It is usefull to create a sequences binded to a key, to add something with 
user-entered-content.

Thanks,
Ronen.

Re: theorem

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Friday 18 June 2004 10:22, Eric Delevaux wrote:
 Hello
 I've just installed lyx and i don't understand how i can install something
 to get the theorem, lemme and ... style, like in texmacs... Anyone
 could help me?
 (I look in the man, on google, bue i didn't find or understand what i
 found...) Thanks for reply
 Eric
 Use different class, like article (AMS)
change the class in Layout-Document Dialog-box. then, a Theorem envaiermant 
will be available 

Re: theorem

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Friday 18 June 2004 10:22, Eric Delevaux wrote:
 Hello
 I've just installed lyx and i don't understand how i can install something
 to get the theorem, lemme and ... style, like in texmacs... Anyone
 could help me?
 (I look in the man, on google, bue i didn't find or understand what i
 found...) Thanks for reply
 Eric
 Use different class, like article (AMS)
change the class in Layout-Document Dialog-box. then, a Theorem envaiermant 
will be available 

Re: theorem

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Friday 18 June 2004 10:22, Eric Delevaux wrote:
> Hello
> I've just installed lyx and i don't understand how i can install something
> to get the "theorem", "lemme" and ... style, like in texmacs... Anyone
> could help me?
> (I look in the man, on google, bue i didn't find or understand what i
> found...) Thanks for reply
> Eric
 Use different class, like article (AMS)
change the class in "Layout->Document" Dialog-box. then, a Theorem envaiermant 
will be available 

Re: \command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

As for most of the people, most of the Tex typing is done in math mode, Is to 
use the current known signes from math-panel/those how replaced by the proper 
signe + math-macro.
I think It will do most of the work.
Again, mot full-latex-auto copletion, only supported-math-mode-symbols 
complition.

Re: \command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

As for most of the people, most of the Tex typing is done in math mode, Is to 
use the current known signes from math-panel/those how replaced by the proper 
signe + math-macro.
I think It will do most of the work.
Again, mot full-latex-auto copletion, only supported-math-mode-symbols 
complition.

Re: \command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

As for most of the people, most of the Tex typing is done in math mode, Is to 
use the current known signes from math-panel/those how replaced by the proper 
signe + math-macro.
I think It will do most of the work.
Again, mot full-latex-auto copletion, only supported-math-mode-symbols 
complition.

\command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

Sorry I send it again, But I sent it during the time the list was down, And 
most of that time are Response-less.


I think lyx would be even more magnificant than it is if it helped out senile 
people like me that don't remember all of their latex commands when they are 
stuck.

For example, if I write \twoheadtab, vaguely remembering something like 
\twoheadleftrightarrow, then I would like to be told whether it really 
exists, or whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Probably some very simple variation on autocompletion would bring most of the 
benefit, even if it simply autocompleted the maximal prefix common to all 
commands that match the typed prefix (which doesn't require new UI elements, 
just looking up commands and inserting characters).

Ronen says that a smarter implementation might use the status bar instead, and 
he's probably right, but I'd prefer a simpler implementation than none...

Daniel

\command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

Sorry I send it again, But I sent it during the time the list was down, And 
most of that time are Response-less.


I think lyx would be even more magnificant than it is if it helped out senile 
people like me that don't remember all of their latex commands when they are 
stuck.

For example, if I write \twoheadtab, vaguely remembering something like 
\twoheadleftrightarrow, then I would like to be told whether it really 
exists, or whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Probably some very simple variation on autocompletion would bring most of the 
benefit, even if it simply autocompleted the maximal prefix common to all 
commands that match the typed prefix (which doesn't require new UI elements, 
just looking up commands and inserting characters).

Ronen says that a smarter implementation might use the status bar instead, and 
he's probably right, but I'd prefer a simpler implementation than none...

Daniel

\command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

Sorry I send it again, But I sent it during the time the list was down, And 
most of that time are Response-less.


I think lyx would be even more magnificant than it is if it helped out senile 
people like me that don't remember all of their latex commands when they are 
stuck.

For example, if I write \twohead, vaguely remembering something like 
\twoheadleftrightarrow, then I would like to be told whether it really 
exists, or whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Probably some very simple variation on autocompletion would bring most of the 
benefit, even if it simply autocompleted the maximal prefix common to all 
commands that match the typed prefix (which doesn't require new UI elements, 
just looking up commands and inserting characters).

Ronen says that a smarter implementation might use the status bar instead, and 
he's probably right, but I'd prefer a simpler implementation than none...

Daniel

\command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

I think lyx would be even more magnificant than it is if it helped out senile 
people like me that don't remember all of their latex commands when they are 
stuck.

For example, if I write \twoheadtab, vaguely remembering something like 
\twoheadleftrightarrow, then I would like to be told whether it really 
exists, or whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Probably some very simple variation on autocompletion would bring most of the 
benefit, even if it simply autocompleted the maximal prefix common to all 
commands that match the typed prefix (which doesn't require new UI elements, 
just looking up commands and inserting characters).

Ronen says that a smarter implementation might use the status bar instead, and 
he's probably right, but I'd prefer a simpler implementation than none...

Daniel

\command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

I think lyx would be even more magnificant than it is if it helped out senile 
people like me that don't remember all of their latex commands when they are 
stuck.

For example, if I write \twoheadtab, vaguely remembering something like 
\twoheadleftrightarrow, then I would like to be told whether it really 
exists, or whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Probably some very simple variation on autocompletion would bring most of the 
benefit, even if it simply autocompleted the maximal prefix common to all 
commands that match the typed prefix (which doesn't require new UI elements, 
just looking up commands and inserting characters).

Ronen says that a smarter implementation might use the status bar instead, and 
he's probably right, but I'd prefer a simpler implementation than none...

Daniel

\command completion

[Ronen Abravanel]

I think lyx would be even more magnificant than it is if it helped out senile 
people like me that don't remember all of their latex commands when they are 
stuck.

For example, if I write \twohead, vaguely remembering something like 
\twoheadleftrightarrow, then I would like to be told whether it really 
exists, or whether I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Probably some very simple variation on autocompletion would bring most of the 
benefit, even if it simply autocompleted the maximal prefix common to all 
commands that match the typed prefix (which doesn't require new UI elements, 
just looking up commands and inserting characters).

Ronen says that a smarter implementation might use the status bar instead, and 
he's probably right, but I'd prefer a simpler implementation than none...

Daniel

Re: Starting enumerate from any number

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Sunday 16 May 2004 08:58, Robert Neumann wrote:
   I would like to start an enumeratet list with 3. and I cannot do that.
 
  as ERT, add
 
  \setcounter{enumi}{0}

 This works fine if I want to have something like
 1. first item
 2. second item
  \setcounter{enumi}{5}
 6. sixth item
 My problem is, to change the value of the FIRST item.
 (If I instert the ERT in the line before, nothing happens)
 Thanks
 Robert

So set the label of the 1st item manualy.  right after the number, add in ERT
 [5]\setcounter{enumi}{5}
and continue as usual, meaning

1.ERT[5]\setcounter{enumi}{5}ERT abc
2. def

will print out
5. abc
2.def

-Ronen.

Re: Starting enumerate from any number

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Sunday 16 May 2004 08:58, Robert Neumann wrote:
   I would like to start an enumeratet list with 3. and I cannot do that.
 
  as ERT, add
 
  \setcounter{enumi}{0}

 This works fine if I want to have something like
 1. first item
 2. second item
  \setcounter{enumi}{5}
 6. sixth item
 My problem is, to change the value of the FIRST item.
 (If I instert the ERT in the line before, nothing happens)
 Thanks
 Robert

So set the label of the 1st item manualy.  right after the number, add in ERT
 [5]\setcounter{enumi}{5}
and continue as usual, meaning

1.ERT[5]\setcounter{enumi}{5}ERT abc
2. def

will print out
5. abc
2.def

-Ronen.

Re: Starting enumerate from any number

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Sunday 16 May 2004 08:58, Robert Neumann wrote:
> > > I would like to start an enumeratet list with 3. and I cannot do that.
> >
> > as ERT, add
> >
> > \setcounter{enumi}{0}
>
> This works fine if I want to have something like
> 1. first item
> 2. second item
>  \setcounter{enumi}{5}
> 6. sixth item
> My problem is, to change the value of the FIRST item.
> (If I instert the ERT in the line before, nothing happens)
> Thanks
> Robert

So set the label of the 1st item manualy.  right after the number, add in ERT
 [5]\setcounter{enumi}{5}
and continue as usual, meaning

1.ERT[5]\setcounter{enumi}{5}ERT abc
2. def

will print out
5. abc
2.def

-Ronen.

Re: Starting enumerate from any number

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Saturday 15 May 2004 19:18, Robert Neumann wrote:
 I would like to start an enumeratet list with 3. and I cannot do that.
as ERT, add

\setcounter{enumi}{0}

for 1st level enumeration.
for 2nd, 3ed and 4th levels, set enumii, enumiii and enumiv to the wanted 
values.

Ronen

Re: Starting enumerate from any number

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Saturday 15 May 2004 19:18, Robert Neumann wrote:
 I would like to start an enumeratet list with 3. and I cannot do that.
as ERT, add

\setcounter{enumi}{0}

for 1st level enumeration.
for 2nd, 3ed and 4th levels, set enumii, enumiii and enumiv to the wanted 
values.

Ronen

Re: Starting enumerate from any number

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Saturday 15 May 2004 19:18, Robert Neumann wrote:
> I would like to start an enumeratet list with 3. and I cannot do that.
as ERT, add

\setcounter{enumi}{0}

for 1st level enumeration.
for 2nd, 3ed and 4th levels, set enumii, enumiii and enumiv to the wanted 
values.

Ronen