Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Charles de Miramon
Oisin Feeley wrote:


 But, it looks like there's a Google Summer of Code project proposal to
 provide annotations to PDF in Evince (one of the popular GNU/Linux PDF
 programs that uses the underlying Poppler rendering library):
 http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Annotations
 

The next version of Kpdf for KDE named Okular will have annotations
possibilities. It will also support pdfsync (the equivalent of ReverseDVI).

It would be nice if LyX would also support pdfsync (and then maybe drop
DVI).

Charles
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Re[2]: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007, Charles de Miramon apparently wrote: 
 then maybe drop DVI)

You mean as in: drop the only bullet-proof way to produce 
PostScript output?

Cheers,
Alan Isaac




Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Michael Wojcik

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Richard Heck wrote:

Oisin Feeley wrote:

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain [snip].


On a related thread, Mircea Trandafir pointed out AREnable 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/), which apparently transfers 
permissions (signed by Acrobat) from one PDF file to another.  I just 
tested it, and it was able to enable commenting in a way that Acrobat 
Reader recognized.


And that tells us all we need to know about Adobe's understanding of 
digital signatures.


Yet another reason to avoid purchasing Adobe products.

--
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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Charles de Miramon
Oisin Feeley wrote:


 But, it looks like there's a Google Summer of Code project proposal to
 provide annotations to PDF in Evince (one of the popular GNU/Linux PDF
 programs that uses the underlying Poppler rendering library):
 http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Annotations
 

The next version of Kpdf for KDE named Okular will have annotations
possibilities. It will also support pdfsync (the equivalent of ReverseDVI).

It would be nice if LyX would also support pdfsync (and then maybe drop
DVI).

Charles
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org



Re[2]: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007, Charles de Miramon apparently wrote: 
 then maybe drop DVI)

You mean as in: drop the only bullet-proof way to produce 
PostScript output?

Cheers,
Alan Isaac




Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Michael Wojcik

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Richard Heck wrote:

Oisin Feeley wrote:

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain [snip].


On a related thread, Mircea Trandafir pointed out AREnable 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/), which apparently transfers 
permissions (signed by Acrobat) from one PDF file to another.  I just 
tested it, and it was able to enable commenting in a way that Acrobat 
Reader recognized.


And that tells us all we need to know about Adobe's understanding of 
digital signatures.


Yet another reason to avoid purchasing Adobe products.

--
Michael Wojcik




Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Charles de Miramon
Oisin Feeley wrote:


> But, it looks like there's a Google Summer of Code project proposal to
> provide annotations to PDF in Evince (one of the popular GNU/Linux PDF
> programs that uses the underlying Poppler rendering library):
> http://live.gnome.org/Evince/Annotations
> 

The next version of Kpdf for KDE named Okular will have annotations
possibilities. It will also support pdfsync (the equivalent of ReverseDVI).

It would be nice if LyX would also support pdfsync (and then maybe drop
DVI).

Charles
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org



Re[2]: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Alan G Isaac
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007, Charles de Miramon apparently wrote: 
> then maybe drop DVI)

You mean as in: drop the only bullet-proof way to produce 
PostScript output?

Cheers,
Alan Isaac




Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-08 Thread Michael Wojcik

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Richard Heck wrote:

Oisin Feeley wrote:

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain [snip].


On a related thread, Mircea Trandafir pointed out AREnable 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/), which apparently transfers 
permissions (signed by Acrobat) from one PDF file to another.  I just 
tested it, and it was able to enable commenting in a way that Acrobat 
Reader recognized.


And that tells us all we need to know about Adobe's understanding of 
digital signatures.


Yet another reason to avoid purchasing Adobe products.

--
Michael Wojcik




Acrobat Features (Was: Another PDF Question)

2007-03-07 Thread Richard Heck
Oisin Feeley wrote:
 On 3/6/07, Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oisin Feeley wrote:
  Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using
 the official Adobe toolchain [snip].
 Thanks. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it really is silly.
 Not from the Adobe's perspective -- they're making plenty of money by
 monopolising the standard and producing the tools for that.  
Yes, of course.
 I'm not quite clear as to whether you can use the ordinary Adobe
 Reader to produce the comments though.
Yes, you can, and even on Linux. Lots of publishers are making use of
this facility now. So the only thing one needs---not that it wouldn't be
nice to have a free viewer that did the same thing---is a way to enable
the facility for PDFs one produces using free software. The AREnable
program that has been mentioned looks as if it will do this, but it runs
only on Windows. Maybe it could be adapted to Linux. But it's written in
VB.NET and uses the PDFSharp library, which is also a Windows
phenomenon. But is it possible these would run under Mono? I don't know
enough about Mono even to know how to find out.

Richard

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Acrobat Features (Was: Another PDF Question)

2007-03-07 Thread Richard Heck
Oisin Feeley wrote:
 On 3/6/07, Richard Heck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oisin Feeley wrote:
  Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using
 the official Adobe toolchain [snip].
 Thanks. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it really is silly.
 Not from the Adobe's perspective -- they're making plenty of money by
 monopolising the standard and producing the tools for that.  
Yes, of course.
 I'm not quite clear as to whether you can use the ordinary Adobe
 Reader to produce the comments though.
Yes, you can, and even on Linux. Lots of publishers are making use of
this facility now. So the only thing one needs---not that it wouldn't be
nice to have a free viewer that did the same thing---is a way to enable
the facility for PDFs one produces using free software. The AREnable
program that has been mentioned looks as if it will do this, but it runs
only on Windows. Maybe it could be adapted to Linux. But it's written in
VB.NET and uses the PDFSharp library, which is also a Windows
phenomenon. But is it possible these would run under Mono? I don't know
enough about Mono even to know how to find out.

Richard

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Acrobat Features (Was: Another PDF Question)

2007-03-07 Thread Richard Heck
Oisin Feeley wrote:
> On 3/6/07, Richard Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Oisin Feeley wrote:
>> > Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using
>> the official Adobe toolchain [snip].
>> Thanks. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it really is silly.
> Not from the Adobe's perspective -- they're making plenty of money by
> monopolising the standard and producing the tools for that.  
Yes, of course.
> I'm not quite clear as to whether you can use the ordinary Adobe
> Reader to produce the comments though.
Yes, you can, and even on Linux. Lots of publishers are making use of
this facility now. So the only thing one needs---not that it wouldn't be
nice to have a free viewer that did the same thing---is a way to enable
the facility for PDFs one produces using free software. The AREnable
program that has been mentioned looks as if it will do this, but it runs
only on Windows. Maybe it could be adapted to Linux. But it's written in
VB.NET and uses the PDFSharp library, which is also a Windows
phenomenon. But is it possible these would run under Mono? I don't know
enough about Mono even to know how to find out.

Richard

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Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Richard Heck

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.

Richard

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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Richard Heck wrote:

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.



I'm pretty sure you need Acrobat Pro to enable comments.

/Paul



Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Mircea Trandafir

Maybe this would help: AREnable
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/). To my knowledge, the way it
works is that you would compile your file as PDF (in LyX) and then run
AREnable on the PDF file to allow Acrobat Reader to add notes, comments
etc. I never used it, but it might work.
Mircea

Paul A. Rubin said the following on 3/6/2007 1:08 PM:

Richard Heck wrote:

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.



I'm pretty sure you need Acrobat Pro to enable comments.

/Paul






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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Oisin Feeley

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain, e.g.  this comment in the discussions to a
recent (end of 2006) survey of PDF applications on GNU/Linux seems to
sum up the situation:

http://applications.linux.com/comments.pl?sid=37658op=threshold=0commentsort=0mode=threadtid=47pid=93375#93389

It should be that with the fight over standard specifications for
government documents heating up across the world Adobe will help make
comments createable on GNU/Linux

http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/01/30/iso_pdf/

For now, it seems that practically it's a very restricted format for
sharing documents.

Oisín


Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Richard Heck schrieb:


Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat?


Buy Acrobat, the commenting feature is only available in Acrobat Standard and 
higher.

regards Uwe


Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Richard Heck
Oisin Feeley wrote:
 Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
 official Adobe toolchain [snip].
Thanks. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it really is silly.

Richard

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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Mircea Trandafir wrote:

Maybe this would help: AREnable
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/). To my knowledge, the way it
works is that you would compile your file as PDF (in LyX) and then run
AREnable on the PDF file to allow Acrobat Reader to add notes, comments
etc. I never used it, but it might work.
Mircea



Thanks for the tip.  I just downloaded and tested it, and it worked on a 
test document.


/Paul



Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Richard Heck wrote:

Oisin Feeley wrote:

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain [snip].


On a related thread, Mircea Trandafir pointed out AREnable 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/), which apparently transfers 
permissions (signed by Acrobat) from one PDF file to another.  I just 
tested it, and it was able to enable commenting in a way that Acrobat 
Reader recognized.


/Paul



Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Richard Heck

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.

Richard

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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Richard Heck wrote:

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.



I'm pretty sure you need Acrobat Pro to enable comments.

/Paul



Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Mircea Trandafir

Maybe this would help: AREnable
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/). To my knowledge, the way it
works is that you would compile your file as PDF (in LyX) and then run
AREnable on the PDF file to allow Acrobat Reader to add notes, comments
etc. I never used it, but it might work.
Mircea

Paul A. Rubin said the following on 3/6/2007 1:08 PM:

Richard Heck wrote:

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.



I'm pretty sure you need Acrobat Pro to enable comments.

/Paul






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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Oisin Feeley

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain, e.g.  this comment in the discussions to a
recent (end of 2006) survey of PDF applications on GNU/Linux seems to
sum up the situation:

http://applications.linux.com/comments.pl?sid=37658op=threshold=0commentsort=0mode=threadtid=47pid=93375#93389

It should be that with the fight over standard specifications for
government documents heating up across the world Adobe will help make
comments createable on GNU/Linux

http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/01/30/iso_pdf/

For now, it seems that practically it's a very restricted format for
sharing documents.

Oisín


Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Richard Heck schrieb:


Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat?


Buy Acrobat, the commenting feature is only available in Acrobat Standard and 
higher.

regards Uwe


Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Richard Heck
Oisin Feeley wrote:
 Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
 official Adobe toolchain [snip].
Thanks. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it really is silly.

Richard

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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Mircea Trandafir wrote:

Maybe this would help: AREnable
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/). To my knowledge, the way it
works is that you would compile your file as PDF (in LyX) and then run
AREnable on the PDF file to allow Acrobat Reader to add notes, comments
etc. I never used it, but it might work.
Mircea



Thanks for the tip.  I just downloaded and tested it, and it worked on a 
test document.


/Paul



Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Richard Heck wrote:

Oisin Feeley wrote:

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain [snip].


On a related thread, Mircea Trandafir pointed out AREnable 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/), which apparently transfers 
permissions (signed by Acrobat) from one PDF file to another.  I just 
tested it, and it was able to enable commenting in a way that Acrobat 
Reader recognized.


/Paul



Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Richard Heck

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.

Richard

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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Richard Heck wrote:

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.



I'm pretty sure you need Acrobat Pro to enable comments.

/Paul



Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Mircea Trandafir

Maybe this would help: AREnable
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/). To my knowledge, the way it
works is that you would compile your file as PDF (in LyX) and then run
AREnable on the PDF file to allow Acrobat Reader to add notes, comments
etc. I never used it, but it might work.
Mircea

Paul A. Rubin said the following on 3/6/2007 1:08 PM:

Richard Heck wrote:

Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat? This is really useful for
proofs and the like. I'd love to be able to index comments this way on
students' papers.



I'm pretty sure you need Acrobat Pro to enable comments.

/Paul






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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Oisin Feeley

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain, e.g.  this comment in the discussions to a
recent (end of 2006) survey of PDF applications on GNU/Linux seems to
sum up the situation:

http://applications.linux.com/comments.pl?sid=37658==0=0=thread=47=93375#93389

It should be that with the fight over standard specifications for
government documents heating up across the world Adobe will help make
comments createable on GNU/Linux

http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/01/30/iso_pdf/

For now, it seems that practically it's a very restricted format for
sharing documents.

Oisín


Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Richard Heck schrieb:


Thanks to Uwe for the example file. Here's another question: How can one
enable the commenting feature under Acrobat?


Buy Acrobat, the commenting feature is only available in Acrobat Standard and 
higher.

regards Uwe


Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Richard Heck
Oisin Feeley wrote:
> Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
> official Adobe toolchain [snip].
Thanks. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But it really is silly.

Richard

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Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Mircea Trandafir wrote:

Maybe this would help: AREnable
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/). To my knowledge, the way it
works is that you would compile your file as PDF (in LyX) and then run
AREnable on the PDF file to allow Acrobat Reader to add notes, comments
etc. I never used it, but it might work.
Mircea



Thanks for the tip.  I just downloaded and tested it, and it worked on a 
test document.


/Paul



Re: Another pdf question

2007-03-06 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Richard Heck wrote:

Oisin Feeley wrote:

Comments in PDF seem to be something that's only available using the
official Adobe toolchain [snip].


On a related thread, Mircea Trandafir pointed out AREnable 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/arenable/), which apparently transfers 
permissions (signed by Acrobat) from one PDF file to another.  I just 
tested it, and it was able to enable commenting in a way that Acrobat 
Reader recognized.


/Paul