Re: Article layout for plos?
El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. Cheers Alex
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/26/2012 10:48 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. So the way to get what you want most easily, it seems to me, is to use BibTeX from the beginning, and then when you need to send the MS to the editor, you export to LaTeX and run the script discussed here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4624 which is included with LyX. As also mentioned there, you can configure an export format so that the script will run automatically. What it does is embed the contents of the bbl file into the exported document in place of the BibTeX stuff. If you reimport the generated file into LyX, these will now appear as bibitems. Of course, you can undo the process later, if you wish, by deleting all of them and re-inserting the BibTeX stuff. Building what is effectively a BibTeX editor into LyX does not look worth the effort to me, given that one can do what I just described. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
El 26/03/2012 10:11 a.m., Richard Heck escribió: On 03/26/2012 10:48 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. So the way to get what you want most easily, it seems to me, is to use BibTeX from the beginning, and then when you need to send the MS to the editor, you export to LaTeX and run the script discussed here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4624 Ok, this is definitively what I meant, :) , thanks to Richard for this script, it is included into my LyX 2.0.0 by default but it is not setted up by default so I don't knew about it existence, my bad. I was trying to run it but up to now I have no luck. I followed these steps 1. I create a ltxbbl file format with the document and appear in export marks setted 2. I define a conversor from LaTeX to ltxbbl with the needaux flag 3. I run the conversor in my file but, although it gave me no error, it doesn't integrate the bibtex into the latex file I have read the script and it looks for a bbl file, what I have is a bib file. Did I must define a conversor for bib-bbl too??? Is not this already done by bibtex? How must I proceed now? which is included with LyX. As also mentioned there, you can configure an export format so that the script will run automatically. What it does is embed the contents of the bbl file into the exported document in place of the BibTeX stuff. If you reimport the generated file into LyX, these will now appear as bibitems. Of course, you can undo the process later, if you wish, by deleting all of them and re-inserting the BibTeX stuff. Building what is effectively a BibTeX editor into LyX does not look worth the effort to me, given that one can do what I just described. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. Cheers Alex
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/26/2012 10:48 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. So the way to get what you want most easily, it seems to me, is to use BibTeX from the beginning, and then when you need to send the MS to the editor, you export to LaTeX and run the script discussed here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4624 which is included with LyX. As also mentioned there, you can configure an export format so that the script will run automatically. What it does is embed the contents of the bbl file into the exported document in place of the BibTeX stuff. If you reimport the generated file into LyX, these will now appear as bibitems. Of course, you can undo the process later, if you wish, by deleting all of them and re-inserting the BibTeX stuff. Building what is effectively a BibTeX editor into LyX does not look worth the effort to me, given that one can do what I just described. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
El 26/03/2012 10:11 a.m., Richard Heck escribió: On 03/26/2012 10:48 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. So the way to get what you want most easily, it seems to me, is to use BibTeX from the beginning, and then when you need to send the MS to the editor, you export to LaTeX and run the script discussed here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4624 Ok, this is definitively what I meant, :) , thanks to Richard for this script, it is included into my LyX 2.0.0 by default but it is not setted up by default so I don't knew about it existence, my bad. I was trying to run it but up to now I have no luck. I followed these steps 1. I create a ltxbbl file format with the document and appear in export marks setted 2. I define a conversor from LaTeX to ltxbbl with the needaux flag 3. I run the conversor in my file but, although it gave me no error, it doesn't integrate the bibtex into the latex file I have read the script and it looks for a bbl file, what I have is a bib file. Did I must define a conversor for bib-bbl too??? Is not this already done by bibtex? How must I proceed now? which is included with LyX. As also mentioned there, you can configure an export format so that the script will run automatically. What it does is embed the contents of the bbl file into the exported document in place of the BibTeX stuff. If you reimport the generated file into LyX, these will now appear as bibitems. Of course, you can undo the process later, if you wish, by deleting all of them and re-inserting the BibTeX stuff. Building what is effectively a BibTeX editor into LyX does not look worth the effort to me, given that one can do what I just described. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand". The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. Cheers Alex
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/26/2012 10:48 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand". The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. So the way to get what you want most easily, it seems to me, is to use BibTeX from the beginning, and then when you need to send the MS to the editor, you export to LaTeX and run the script discussed here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4624 which is included with LyX. As also mentioned there, you can configure an export format so that the script will run automatically. What it does is embed the contents of the bbl file into the exported document in place of the BibTeX stuff. If you reimport the generated file into LyX, these will now appear as bibitems. Of course, you can undo the process later, if you wish, by deleting all of them and re-inserting the BibTeX stuff. Building what is effectively a BibTeX editor into LyX does not look worth the effort to me, given that one can do what I just described. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
El 26/03/2012 10:11 a.m., Richard Heck escribió: On 03/26/2012 10:48 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 23/03/2012 12:33 a.m., Niklas Huldén escribió: On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand". The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén Imagine now that you have finished your work, but then your editor tells you that he wants the bibliography in Vancouver format, but you have write it in consecutive order of appearance format, then you must re-sort one by one all the cites, imagine now that your work is a book with 1e3 cites... You cannot educate all the editors in the planet, so they agree from what they ask in the beginning and what they ask for your final work (in thet period his/her taste might have changed, or the publisher might change the requirements, etc) I simply cannot imagine doing this right now with LyX without BibTeX. My objective with this discussion is that BibTex must be integrated into LyX in a way it is transparent for editors. Remember, as a general rule editors doesn't want more than one file to read or to compile. As an advantage we gain is to have the behaviour you mentioned but now with the power of BibTeX to re-sort and re-format cites. So the way to get what you want most easily, it seems to me, is to use BibTeX from the beginning, and then when you need to send the MS to the editor, you export to LaTeX and run the script discussed here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4624 Ok, this is definitively what I meant, :) , thanks to Richard for this script, it is included into my LyX 2.0.0 by default but it is not setted up by default so I don't knew about it existence, my bad. I was trying to run it but up to now I have no luck. I followed these steps 1. I create a ltxbbl file format with the "document" and "appear in export" marks setted 2. I define a conversor from LaTeX to ltxbbl with the "needaux" flag 3. I run the conversor in my file but, although it gave me no error, it doesn't integrate the bibtex into the latex file I have read the script and it looks for a bbl file, what I have is a bib file. Did I must define a conversor for bib->bbl too??? Is not this already done by bibtex? How must I proceed now? which is included with LyX. As also mentioned there, you can configure an export format so that the script will run automatically. What it does is embed the contents of the bbl file into the exported document in place of the BibTeX stuff. If you reimport the generated file into LyX, these will now appear as bibitems. Of course, you can undo the process later, if you wish, by deleting all of them and re-inserting the BibTeX stuff. Building what is effectively a BibTeX editor into LyX does not look worth the effort to me, given that one can do what I just described. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 22.3.2012 20:36, David L. Johnson wrote: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand". The bibitems are also extremely convenient to use if you have to cite more odd sources like interviews from certain archives and so on. I usually have two environments for my sources; first the oddballs from different archives as bibitems, followed by the literature references as a BibTeX bibliography. Both can be seen in the LyX citing menus. Niklas Huldén
Re: Article layout for plos?
-/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./ Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT press, for instance). If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it might appear to some (many?) as too much to handle. -/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. / If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file that I can send to a publisher or a colleague. Ehud Kaplan On 03/20/2012 09:01 PM, Richard Heck wrote: On 03/20/2012 11:27 AM, UD wrote: To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. There is a bug we have been meaning to fix, though, that will just automatically include the necessary bibliography info in the exported LaTeX file. Richard -
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/22/2012 12:53 PM, UD wrote: -/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./ Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT press, for instance). If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it might appear to some (many?) as too much to handle. As I said, IF a journal wants LaTeX, then you just export to LaTeX. No other special handling is required, except possibly embedding bibliography information (see below). -/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. / If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file that I can send to a publisher or a colleague. There is a bibliography style, in the same place you choose Section, Chapter, etc, so you don't have to use BibTeX. We keep meaning to finish this bugfix that would automatically include the contents of the BBL file on export. There is a simple script that will do so attached to that bug, but getting it to work in the general case is hard. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you
can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides
the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to
the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like
turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? does some other guy hasn't see
this behaviour of the bibliography environment? For me it is clearly a
bug, but that is just my opinion. So I only use BibTeX right now.
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El 22/03/2012 10:59 a.m., Richard Heck escribio':
On 03/22/2012 12:53 PM, UD wrote:
-/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./
Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT
press, for instance).
If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it
might
appear to some (many?) as too much to handle.
As I said, IF a journal wants LaTeX, then you just export to LaTeX. No
other special handling
is required, except possibly embedding bibliography information (see
below).
-/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You
can just use the bibliography environment if you want.
/
If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex
database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file
that I can send to a publisher or a colleague.
There is a bibliography style, in the same place you choose Section,
Chapter, etc, so you don't have to use BibTeX.
We keep meaning to finish this bugfix that would automatically include
the contents of the BBL file on export. There is a simple script that
will do so attached to that bug, but getting it to work in the general
case is hard.
Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. -- David L. Johnson Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams
Bibliography handling by LyX (was: Article layout for plos?)
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribio':
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX
you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc,
besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order
acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do
this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen
the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10
references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from order
of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must
tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must
automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't?
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the
use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not too
hard to do since most of the work is already done!
--
David L. Johnson
Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on
no account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Fi'sica Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibracio'n Dosime'trica
Centro de Proteccio'n e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Direccio'n postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
Re: Article layout for plos?
-/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./ Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT press, for instance). If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it might appear to some (many?) as too much to handle. -/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. / If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file that I can send to a publisher or a colleague. Ehud Kaplan On 03/20/2012 09:01 PM, Richard Heck wrote: On 03/20/2012 11:27 AM, UD wrote: To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. There is a bug we have been meaning to fix, though, that will just automatically include the necessary bibliography info in the exported LaTeX file. Richard -
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/22/2012 12:53 PM, UD wrote: -/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./ Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT press, for instance). If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it might appear to some (many?) as too much to handle. As I said, IF a journal wants LaTeX, then you just export to LaTeX. No other special handling is required, except possibly embedding bibliography information (see below). -/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. / If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file that I can send to a publisher or a colleague. There is a bibliography style, in the same place you choose Section, Chapter, etc, so you don't have to use BibTeX. We keep meaning to finish this bugfix that would automatically include the contents of the BBL file on export. There is a simple script that will do so attached to that bug, but getting it to work in the general case is hard. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you
can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides
the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to
the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like
turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? does some other guy hasn't see
this behaviour of the bibliography environment? For me it is clearly a
bug, but that is just my opinion. So I only use BibTeX right now.
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Fi'sica Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibracio'n Dosime'trica
Centro de Proteccio'n e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Direccio'n postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
El 22/03/2012 10:59 a.m., Richard Heck escribio':
On 03/22/2012 12:53 PM, UD wrote:
-/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./
Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT
press, for instance).
If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it
might
appear to some (many?) as too much to handle.
As I said, IF a journal wants LaTeX, then you just export to LaTeX. No
other special handling
is required, except possibly embedding bibliography information (see
below).
-/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You
can just use the bibliography environment if you want.
/
If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex
database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file
that I can send to a publisher or a colleague.
There is a bibliography style, in the same place you choose Section,
Chapter, etc, so you don't have to use BibTeX.
We keep meaning to finish this bugfix that would automatically include
the contents of the BBL file on export. There is a simple script that
will do so attached to that bug, but getting it to work in the general
case is hard.
Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. -- David L. Johnson Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams
Bibliography handling by LyX (was: Article layout for plos?)
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribio':
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX
you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc,
besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order
acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do
this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen
the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10
references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from order
of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must
tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must
automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't?
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the
use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not too
hard to do since most of the work is already done!
--
David L. Johnson
Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on
no account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Fi'sica Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibracio'n Dosime'trica
Centro de Proteccio'n e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Direccio'n postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
Re: Article layout for plos?
-/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./ Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT press, for instance). If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it might appear to some (many?) as too much to handle. -/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. / If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file that I can send to a publisher or a colleague. Ehud Kaplan On 03/20/2012 09:01 PM, Richard Heck wrote: On 03/20/2012 11:27 AM, UD wrote: To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. There is a bug we have been meaning to fix, though, that will just automatically include the necessary bibliography info in the exported LaTeX file. Richard -
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/22/2012 12:53 PM, UD wrote: -/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./ Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT press, for instance). If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it might appear to some (many?) as too much to handle. As I said, IF a journal wants LaTeX, then you just export to LaTeX. No other special handling is required, except possibly embedding bibliography information (see below). -/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. / If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file that I can send to a publisher or a colleague. There is a bibliography style, in the same place you choose Section, Chapter, etc, so you don't have to use BibTeX. We keep meaning to finish this bugfix that would automatically include the contents of the BBL file on export. There is a simple script that will do so attached to that bug, but getting it to work in the general case is hard. Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you
can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides
the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to
the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like
turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? does some other guy hasn't see
this behaviour of the bibliography environment? For me it is clearly a
bug, but that is just my opinion. So I only use BibTeX right now.
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Fi'sica Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibracio'n Dosime'trica
Centro de Proteccio'n e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Direccio'n postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
El 22/03/2012 10:59 a.m., Richard Heck escribio':
On 03/22/2012 12:53 PM, UD wrote:
-/-If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX./
Some publishers are willing to accept Lyx instead of Latex (MIT
press, for instance).
If authors knew that they have to handle Latex in addition to Lyx it
might
appear to some (many?) as too much to handle.
As I said, IF a journal wants LaTeX, then you just export to LaTeX. No
other special handling
is required, except possibly embedding bibliography information (see
below).
-/-I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You
can just use the bibliography environment if you want.
/
If I insert/list/bibliography I just get a link to the bibtex
database, and the actual citation entries are not part of the file
that I can send to a publisher or a colleague.
There is a bibliography style, in the same place you choose Section,
Chapter, etc, so you don't have to use BibTeX.
We keep meaning to finish this bugfix that would automatically include
the contents of the BBL file on export. There is a simple script that
will do so attached to that bug, but getting it to work in the general
case is hard.
Richard
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand". -- David L. Johnson Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams
Bibliography handling by LyX (was: Article layout for plos?)
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribio':
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX
you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc,
besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order
acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do
this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen
the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10
references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand".
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from order
of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must
tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must
automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't?
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the
use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not too
hard to do since most of the work is already done!
--
David L. Johnson
Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on
no account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Fi'sica Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibracio'n Dosime'trica
Centro de Proteccio'n e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Direccio'n postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
Article layout for plos?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I am writing an article for plos, and was wondering: has somebody written a layout for plos, and is there something I should be aware of? The document class is article, so this is fine, but what bout their other requirements? I looked at their template, and I have my doubts, that I can easily create a LaTeX file for final submission easily with LyX - is this correct? Thanks, Rainer - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9omFMACgkQoYgNqgF2egpdWwCfTM7+2lWQfSgLyldsku8cJqay dc0AoIvWl8sm0tY8d+YTR5vNmwwxidqI =jSm3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Article layout for plos?
To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D. Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor *Director*, The laboratory of Visual Computational Neuroscience *Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational Systems Neuroscience /Friedman Brain Institute/ Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural Chemical Biology, The Mount Sinai School of Medicine One Gustave Levy Place, NY, NY, 10029 On 03/20/2012 10:46 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I am writing an article for plos, and was wondering: has somebody written a layout for plos, and is there something I should be aware of? The document class is article, so this is fine, but what bout their other requirements? I looked at their template, and I have my doubts, that I can easily create a LaTeX file for final submission easily with LyX - is this correct? Thanks, Rainer - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9omFMACgkQoYgNqgF2egpdWwCfTM7+2lWQfSgLyldsku8cJqay dc0AoIvWl8sm0tY8d+YTR5vNmwwxidqI =jSm3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/20/2012 11:27 AM, UD wrote: To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. There is a bug we have been meaning to fix, though, that will just automatically include the necessary bibliography info in the exported LaTeX file. Richard
Article layout for plos?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I am writing an article for plos, and was wondering: has somebody written a layout for plos, and is there something I should be aware of? The document class is article, so this is fine, but what bout their other requirements? I looked at their template, and I have my doubts, that I can easily create a LaTeX file for final submission easily with LyX - is this correct? Thanks, Rainer - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9omFMACgkQoYgNqgF2egpdWwCfTM7+2lWQfSgLyldsku8cJqay dc0AoIvWl8sm0tY8d+YTR5vNmwwxidqI =jSm3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Article layout for plos?
To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D. Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor *Director*, The laboratory of Visual Computational Neuroscience *Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational Systems Neuroscience /Friedman Brain Institute/ Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural Chemical Biology, The Mount Sinai School of Medicine One Gustave Levy Place, NY, NY, 10029 On 03/20/2012 10:46 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I am writing an article for plos, and was wondering: has somebody written a layout for plos, and is there something I should be aware of? The document class is article, so this is fine, but what bout their other requirements? I looked at their template, and I have my doubts, that I can easily create a LaTeX file for final submission easily with LyX - is this correct? Thanks, Rainer - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9omFMACgkQoYgNqgF2egpdWwCfTM7+2lWQfSgLyldsku8cJqay dc0AoIvWl8sm0tY8d+YTR5vNmwwxidqI =jSm3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/20/2012 11:27 AM, UD wrote: To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. There is a bug we have been meaning to fix, though, that will just automatically include the necessary bibliography info in the exported LaTeX file. Richard
Article layout for plos?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I am writing an article for plos, and was wondering: has somebody written a layout for plos, and is there something I should be aware of? The document class is article, so this is fine, but what bout their other requirements? I looked at their template, and I have my doubts, that I can easily create a LaTeX file for final submission easily with LyX - is this correct? Thanks, Rainer - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9omFMACgkQoYgNqgF2egpdWwCfTM7+2lWQfSgLyldsku8cJqay dc0AoIvWl8sm0tY8d+YTR5vNmwwxidqI =jSm3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Article layout for plos?
To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D. Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor *Director*, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience *Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience /Friedman Brain Institute/ Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology, The Mount Sinai School of Medicine One Gustave Levy Place, NY, NY, 10029 On 03/20/2012 10:46 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I am writing an article for plos, and was wondering: has somebody written a layout for plos, and is there something I should be aware of? The document class is article, so this is fine, but what bout their other requirements? I looked at their template, and I have my doubts, that I can easily create a LaTeX file for final submission easily with LyX - is this correct? Thanks, Rainer - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: rai...@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9omFMACgkQoYgNqgF2egpdWwCfTM7+2lWQfSgLyldsku8cJqay dc0AoIvWl8sm0tY8d+YTR5vNmwwxidqI =jSm3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --
Re: Article layout for plos?
On 03/20/2012 11:27 AM, UD wrote: To encourage the use of Lyx by scientists of all stripes, would be useful at some point to have Lyx produce journal-ready documents /without/ exporting explicitly to Latex. If journals want LaTeX, not LyX, then you have to export to LaTeX. After all, Lyx's purpose was to hide the Latex engine, which scares many novices. Making Lyx journal-friendly will require, among other things, simplifying the bibliography system, so that the bibliography and the rest of the text do not have to be in separate files. I don't understand. They don't have to be in separate files. You can just use the bibliography environment if you want. There is a bug we have been meaning to fix, though, that will just automatically include the necessary bibliography info in the exported LaTeX file. Richard
