Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Enrico Forestieri forenr at lyx.org writes:

 
 Try the following line in the preamble:
 
 \def\ at makefnmark{\hbox{\ at textsuperscript{\small\ at thefnmark}}}
 

Thanks for the suggestion, but when I put that command in the
preamble all of the footnote marks become much bigger
than they should be.
Sebastien.

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Enrico Forestieri forenr at lyx.org writes:

 
 Try the following line in the preamble:
 
 \def\ at makefnmark{\hbox{\ at textsuperscript{\small\ at thefnmark}}}
 

Thanks for the suggestion, but when I put that command in the
preamble all of the footnote marks become much bigger
than they should be.
Sebastien.

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Enrico Forestieri  lyx.org> writes:

> 
> Try the following line in the preamble:
> 
> \def\  makefnmark{\hbox{\  textsuperscript{\small\  thefnmark}}}
> 

Thanks for the suggestion, but when I put that command in the
preamble all of the footnote marks become much bigger
than they should be.
Sebastien.

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Enrico Forestieri]

Sebastien writes:

 Thanks for your remarks. I'll look into the latex commands to tweak
 this and see if there is anything possible. The solution
 suggested by Stefano provides a good starting point. The documentation
 on this seems slim, though, despite it being what would appear
 to be a fairly common occurrence (footnotes in titles).

Try the following line in the preamble:

\def\@makefnmark{\hbox{\@textsuperscript{\small\@thefnmark}}}

-- 
Enrico

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Enrico Forestieri]

Sebastien writes:

 Thanks for your remarks. I'll look into the latex commands to tweak
 this and see if there is anything possible. The solution
 suggested by Stefano provides a good starting point. The documentation
 on this seems slim, though, despite it being what would appear
 to be a fairly common occurrence (footnotes in titles).

Try the following line in the preamble:

\def\@makefnmark{\hbox{\@textsuperscript{\small\@thefnmark}}}

-- 
Enrico

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Enrico Forestieri]

Sebastien writes:

> Thanks for your remarks. I'll look into the latex commands to tweak
> this and see if there is anything possible. The solution
> suggested by Stefano provides a good starting point. The documentation
> on this seems slim, though, despite it being what would appear
> to be a fairly common occurrence (footnotes in titles).

Try the following line in the preamble:

\def\@makefnmark{\hbox{\@textsuperscript{\small\@thefnmark}}}

-- 
Enrico

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-10-29, Sebastien wrote:
 This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
 there is a way, at least with ERT.

 If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
 comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
 required LaTeX code.

 Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
 of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

 Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
 documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
 footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
 not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
 paragraph!

Of course, the documentation is there to show what is possible with
footmisc, even if it is not recommended. There are other footnote
packages on CTAN, you could try whether any of them supports the style
you want to achieve. With a *minimal* LaTeX example that gives the
desired output, the LyX gurus on this list will certainly help you
implementing this in LyX.

Günter

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Stefano,
Thanks a lot for your help. That's great. It's not perfect, but it does work,
and is good enough to get by for the moment.
Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

 Of course, the documentation is there to show what is possible with
 footmisc, even if it is not recommended. There are other footnote
 packages on CTAN, you could try whether any of them supports the style
 you want to achieve. With a *minimal* LaTeX example that gives the
 desired output, the LyX gurus on this list will certainly help you
 implementing this in LyX.
 
 Günter
 

Thanks for your remarks. I'll look into the latex commands to tweak
this and see if there is anything possible. The solution
suggested by Stefano provides a good starting point. The documentation
on this seems slim, though, despite it being what would appear
to be a fairly common occurrence (footnotes in titles).
Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-10-29, Sebastien wrote:
 This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
 there is a way, at least with ERT.

 If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
 comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
 required LaTeX code.

 Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
 of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

 Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
 documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
 footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
 not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
 paragraph!

Of course, the documentation is there to show what is possible with
footmisc, even if it is not recommended. There are other footnote
packages on CTAN, you could try whether any of them supports the style
you want to achieve. With a *minimal* LaTeX example that gives the
desired output, the LyX gurus on this list will certainly help you
implementing this in LyX.

Günter

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Stefano,
Thanks a lot for your help. That's great. It's not perfect, but it does work,
and is good enough to get by for the moment.
Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

 Of course, the documentation is there to show what is possible with
 footmisc, even if it is not recommended. There are other footnote
 packages on CTAN, you could try whether any of them supports the style
 you want to achieve. With a *minimal* LaTeX example that gives the
 desired output, the LyX gurus on this list will certainly help you
 implementing this in LyX.
 
 Günter
 

Thanks for your remarks. I'll look into the latex commands to tweak
this and see if there is anything possible. The solution
suggested by Stefano provides a good starting point. The documentation
on this seems slim, though, despite it being what would appear
to be a fairly common occurrence (footnotes in titles).
Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-10-29, Sebastien wrote:
>> This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
>> there is a way, at least with ERT.

>> If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
>> comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
>> required LaTeX code.

> Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
> of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

> Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
> documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
> footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
> not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
> paragraph!

Of course, the documentation is there to show what is possible with
footmisc, even if it is not recommended. There are other footnote
packages on CTAN, you could try whether any of them supports the style
you want to achieve. With a *minimal* LaTeX example that gives the
desired output, the LyX gurus on this list will certainly help you
implementing this in LyX.

Günter

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Stefano,
Thanks a lot for your help. That's great. It's not perfect, but it does work,
and is good enough to get by for the moment.
Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

> Of course, the documentation is there to show what is possible with
> footmisc, even if it is not recommended. There are other footnote
> packages on CTAN, you could try whether any of them supports the style
> you want to achieve. With a *minimal* LaTeX example that gives the
> desired output, the LyX gurus on this list will certainly help you
> implementing this in LyX.
> 
> Günter
> 

Thanks for your remarks. I'll look into the latex commands to tweak
this and see if there is anything possible. The solution
suggested by Stefano provides a good starting point. The documentation
on this seems slim, though, despite it being what would appear
to be a fairly common occurrence (footnotes in titles).
Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-10-28, Sebastien wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann engelmann at uni-tuebingen.de writes:

 Is there a
  way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
  order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
  place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.

This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
there is a way, at least with ERT.

If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
required LaTeX code.

Günter

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

 This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
 there is a way, at least with ERT.
 
 If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
 comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
 required LaTeX code.
 
 Günter
 
 


Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
paragraph!

Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Sebastien s.no...@free.fr wrote:

  This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
  there is a way, at least with ERT.
 
  If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at
 the
  comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
  required LaTeX code.
 
  Günter
 
 


 Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
 of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

 Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
 documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
 footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
 not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
 paragraph!


Sebastien, you may have tried this already, it kinds of does what you want
but not quite. It may be a starting point though:

try inserting this ERT command just before your footnote: \footnotesize{
(ending with an open brace, no closing brace)
then, just after your footnote, insert, in ERT: } (just the closing brace)
(see enclosed lyx file for details)

This kludge should bring  the size of the footnote mark down to
footnotesize (the usual size for footnote marks, actual size depends on
the base point size of your doc). The problem is that it will put the
footnote mark where a normal superscript would go. If you have a big font
(such as, for instance, in book titles), the footnote mark will be in the
middle of the line. It is not too bad for section and chapter titles
(depending on your class and chapterstyle, of course).
Still, it may be a starting point. You may have to add other ad hoc latex
commands to elevate the footnote mark)

Hope it helps,

Stefano

-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org


titles-with-footnotes.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-10-28, Sebastien wrote:
 Wolfgang Engelmann engelmann at uni-tuebingen.de writes:

 Is there a
  way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
  order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
  place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.

This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
there is a way, at least with ERT.

If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
required LaTeX code.

Günter

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

 This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
 there is a way, at least with ERT.
 
 If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
 comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
 required LaTeX code.
 
 Günter
 
 


Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
paragraph!

Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Sebastien s.no...@free.fr wrote:

  This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
  there is a way, at least with ERT.
 
  If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at
 the
  comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
  required LaTeX code.
 
  Günter
 
 


 Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
 of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

 Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
 documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
 footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
 not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
 paragraph!


Sebastien, you may have tried this already, it kinds of does what you want
but not quite. It may be a starting point though:

try inserting this ERT command just before your footnote: \footnotesize{
(ending with an open brace, no closing brace)
then, just after your footnote, insert, in ERT: } (just the closing brace)
(see enclosed lyx file for details)

This kludge should bring  the size of the footnote mark down to
footnotesize (the usual size for footnote marks, actual size depends on
the base point size of your doc). The problem is that it will put the
footnote mark where a normal superscript would go. If you have a big font
(such as, for instance, in book titles), the footnote mark will be in the
middle of the line. It is not too bad for section and chapter titles
(depending on your class and chapterstyle, of course).
Still, it may be a starting point. You may have to add other ad hoc latex
commands to elevate the footnote mark)

Hope it helps,

Stefano

-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org


titles-with-footnotes.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-10-28, Sebastien wrote:
> Wolfgang Engelmann  uni-tuebingen.de> writes:

>> >Is there a
>> > way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
>> > order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
>> > place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.

This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
there is a way, at least with ERT.

If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
required LaTeX code.

Günter

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

> This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
> there is a way, at least with ERT.
> 
> If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at the
> comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
> required LaTeX code.
> 
> Günter
> 
> 


Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.

Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
paragraph!

Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Sebastien <s.no...@free.fr> wrote:

> > This is a rather uncommon (but not unreasonable) request. I am quite sure
> > there is a way, at least with ERT.
> >
> > If I were you, I would try to get this working in LaTeX first, asking at
> the
> > comp.text.tex usenet list. Then I would try to get LyX to generate the
> > required LaTeX code.
> >
> > Günter
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks for that. I did try fiddling with commands in ERT, but none
> of them worked. I'll try at the site you mention.
>
> Also, it might be interesting to note that, in his 'footmisc' package
> documentation, Robin Fairbanks repeats that it's best to avoid
> footnotes in titles — but in the very same document he has
> not one, but *two* footnotes before he even gets to the first
> paragraph!
>

Sebastien, you may have tried this already, it kinds of does what you want
but not quite. It may be a starting point though:

try inserting this ERT command just before your footnote: \footnotesize{
(ending with an open brace, no closing brace)
then, just after your footnote, insert, in ERT: } (just the closing brace)
(see enclosed lyx file for details)

This kludge should bring  the size of the footnote mark down to
"footnotesize" (the usual size for footnote marks, actual size depends on
the base point size of your doc). The problem is that it will put the
footnote mark where a normal superscript would go. If you have a big font
(such as, for instance, in book titles), the footnote mark will be in the
middle of the line. It is not too bad for section and chapter titles
(depending on your class and chapterstyle, of course).
Still, it may be a starting point. You may have to add other ad hoc latex
commands to elevate the footnote mark)

Hope it helps,

Stefano

-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas A University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org


titles-with-footnotes.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Sunday 27 October 2013 18:25:20 s.no...@free.fr wrote:
 Hello list members,
 
 This one may be easy but I can't figure it out.
 
 If you put a footnote at the end of a title (sometimes it has to be
 done), the footnote mark obviously takes on the default font of the
 title: usually something big and bold. This makes the footnote mark
 stick out in a way you might not want. Hence the question: is there a
 way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
 order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
 place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.
 

Did you try a protected return (ctr return) in the footnote to brake the 
line?
Wolfgang
 Thanks for any help anyone might be able to give.
 
 Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelmann at uni-tuebingen.de writes:

 
 
 Is there a
  way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
  order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
  place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.
  
  
 Did you try a protected return (ctr return) in the footnote to brake the line?
 Wolfgang

Thanks for your quick reply. I tried what you suggested--inserting a protected
return within the footnote itself. Upon output to PDF, there is now an error
message, although the document does compile. The result is that the footnote
mark and the corresponding footnote now disappear completely from the output.

But perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my question: the problem is the format of
the footnote reference mark itself at the end of (or even within) the text of a
section or chapter title. I'm wondering if it's possible to change the format of
the reference mark, so that it doesn't get set in large bold type and stick
out awkwardly.

Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Sunday 27 October 2013 18:25:20 s.no...@free.fr wrote:
 Hello list members,
 
 This one may be easy but I can't figure it out.
 
 If you put a footnote at the end of a title (sometimes it has to be
 done), the footnote mark obviously takes on the default font of the
 title: usually something big and bold. This makes the footnote mark
 stick out in a way you might not want. Hence the question: is there a
 way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
 order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
 place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.
 

Did you try a protected return (ctr return) in the footnote to brake the 
line?
Wolfgang
 Thanks for any help anyone might be able to give.
 
 Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Wolfgang Engelmann engelmann at uni-tuebingen.de writes:

 
 
 Is there a
  way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
  order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
  place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.
  
  
 Did you try a protected return (ctr return) in the footnote to brake the line?
 Wolfgang

Thanks for your quick reply. I tried what you suggested--inserting a protected
return within the footnote itself. Upon output to PDF, there is now an error
message, although the document does compile. The result is that the footnote
mark and the corresponding footnote now disappear completely from the output.

But perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my question: the problem is the format of
the footnote reference mark itself at the end of (or even within) the text of a
section or chapter title. I'm wondering if it's possible to change the format of
the reference mark, so that it doesn't get set in large bold type and stick
out awkwardly.

Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

On Sunday 27 October 2013 18:25:20 s.no...@free.fr wrote:
> Hello list members,
> 
> This one may be easy but I can't figure it out.
> 
> If you put a footnote at the end of a title (sometimes it has to be
> done), the footnote mark obviously takes on the default font of the
> title: usually something big and bold. This makes the footnote mark
> stick out in a way you might not want. Hence the question: is there a
> way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
> order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
> place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.
> 

Did you try a protected return (ctr return) in the footnote to brake the 
line?
Wolfgang
> Thanks for any help anyone might be able to give.
> 
> Sebastien

Re: Footnotes in titles

[Sebastien]

Wolfgang Engelmann  uni-tuebingen.de> writes:

> 
> 
> >Is there a
> > way to change the formatting of the footnote mark within a title, in
> > order to make the footnote mark less obtrusive at this particular
> > place? I've tried a number of things but none of them work.
> > 
>  
> Did you try a protected return (ctr return) in the footnote to brake the line?
> Wolfgang

Thanks for your quick reply. I tried what you suggested--inserting a protected
return within the footnote itself. Upon output to PDF, there is now an error
message, although the document does compile. The result is that the footnote
mark and the corresponding footnote now disappear completely from the output.

But perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my question: the problem is the format of
the footnote reference mark itself at the end of (or even within) the text of a
section or chapter title. I'm wondering if it's possible to change the format of
the reference mark, so that it doesn't get set in large bold type and stick
out awkwardly.

Sebastien

Footnotes in titles

[s . noble]

Hello list members,

This one may be easy but I can't figure it out.

If you put a footnote at the end of a title (sometimes it has to be done), the
footnote mark obviously takes on the default font of the title: usually
something big and bold. This makes the footnote mark stick out in a way you
might not want. Hence the question: is there a way to change the formatting of
the footnote mark within a title, in order to make the footnote mark less
obtrusive at this particular place? I've tried a number of things but none of
them work.

Thanks for any help anyone might be able to give.

Sebastien

Footnotes in titles

[s . noble]

Hello list members,

This one may be easy but I can't figure it out.

If you put a footnote at the end of a title (sometimes it has to be done), the
footnote mark obviously takes on the default font of the title: usually
something big and bold. This makes the footnote mark stick out in a way you
might not want. Hence the question: is there a way to change the formatting of
the footnote mark within a title, in order to make the footnote mark less
obtrusive at this particular place? I've tried a number of things but none of
them work.

Thanks for any help anyone might be able to give.

Sebastien

Footnotes in titles

[s . noble]

Hello list members,

This one may be easy but I can't figure it out.

If you put a footnote at the end of a title (sometimes it has to be done), the
footnote mark obviously takes on the default font of the title: usually
something big and bold. This makes the footnote mark stick out in a way you
might not want. Hence the question: is there a way to change the formatting of
the footnote mark within a title, in order to make the footnote mark less
obtrusive at this particular place? I've tried a number of things but none of
them work.

Thanks for any help anyone might be able to give.

Sebastien