More class files by default
I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) It may be nice to have a boatload installed by default or as an option. Some to consider include things like prosper (for pretty powerpoint slides) or some widely used professional styles (IEEE, IFAC, others). 1.4.2 already has .layout files for a lot of things that apparently did not get installed in the latex default package (or maybe 1.42 added more layouts that were not included in the 1.4.1 latex I am using). Why not have a install option for extended latex. I know originally they limited the extra stuff in LaTeX distributions, but the way HD space and bandwidth is now days, how much does an extra few MB cost us...
Re: More class files by default
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 10:01 am, Ed Gatzke wrote: I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: More class files by default
You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. The couple of times I have done this, my latex'ing time quadrupled for some strange reason, so the performance hit was frustrating. One time dvis and fonts got fouled up as well. There are like three different ways listed to get classes added to latex, one involves setting a bunch of environment vars as well. There are two or three programs that can fix your paths when you make mods, so it is a bit screwy having option. There must be a crapload of cls files for journals and theses out there, but I can't see a large portion of them adding up to more than 5 - 10 MB, especially if you zip the text files initially. Give the user an option to pick the ones they want to install early on, then download them from a contrib site if you want. It is much easier to have the well-written installer handle it as opposed to idiot users like me mucking it all up later...
Re: More class files by default
Ed Gatzke wrote: I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) It may be nice to have a boatload installed by default or as an option. Some to consider include things like prosper (for pretty powerpoint slides) or some widely used professional styles (IEEE, IFAC, others). 1.4.2 already has .layout files for a lot of things that apparently did not get installed in the latex default package (or maybe 1.42 added more layouts that were not included in the 1.4.1 latex I am using). Why not have a install option for extended latex. I know originally they limited the extra stuff in LaTeX distributions, but the way HD space and bandwidth is now days, how much does an extra few MB cost us... There are a few more on the Wiki and instruction on how to make a simple one that will probably work for you. Layout files aren't as abundant as you might think because authors don't make them. The Wiki has Beamer and Powerdot layouts and a small collection. http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/CreatingLayouts [roll your own] Regards, Stephen
Re: More class files by default
Ed Gatzke wrote: You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. The couple of times I have done this, my latex'ing time quadrupled for some strange reason, so the performance hit was frustrating. One time dvis and fonts got fouled up as well. There are like three different ways listed to get classes added to latex, one involves setting a bunch of environment vars as well. There are two or three programs that can fix your paths when you make mods, so it is a bit screwy having option. There must be a crapload of cls files for journals and theses out there, but I can't see a large portion of them adding up to more than 5 - 10 MB, especially if you zip the text files initially. Give the user an option to pick the ones they want to install early on, then download them from a contrib site if you want. It is much easier to have the well-written installer handle it as opposed to idiot users like me mucking it all up later... I'm a bit fuzzy on what you're proposing here. If you add a bunch of LaTeX classes that don't have layout files, they won't be usable from LyX. So we're down to classes for which someone has donated a layout file. There are a few floating around that are not part of the LyX package (I think there might be a few on the Wiki), but my impression is that the number of layout files publicly available but not shipping with LyX is a bit small. As far as the classes/styles themselves (ones that don't come with your LaTeX distribution), using LyX rather than the LaTeX distro to install them might create some compatibility adventures (if an updated version of your distro changes the package installation procedure), and I think would be a bit of a pain to program (since installation procedures are somewhat platform- and distribution-specific). What might work would be a wizard that would walk you through the steps. /Paul
More class files by default
I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) It may be nice to have a boatload installed by default or as an option. Some to consider include things like prosper (for pretty powerpoint slides) or some widely used professional styles (IEEE, IFAC, others). 1.4.2 already has .layout files for a lot of things that apparently did not get installed in the latex default package (or maybe 1.42 added more layouts that were not included in the 1.4.1 latex I am using). Why not have a install option for extended latex. I know originally they limited the extra stuff in LaTeX distributions, but the way HD space and bandwidth is now days, how much does an extra few MB cost us...
Re: More class files by default
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 10:01 am, Ed Gatzke wrote: I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: More class files by default
You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. The couple of times I have done this, my latex'ing time quadrupled for some strange reason, so the performance hit was frustrating. One time dvis and fonts got fouled up as well. There are like three different ways listed to get classes added to latex, one involves setting a bunch of environment vars as well. There are two or three programs that can fix your paths when you make mods, so it is a bit screwy having option. There must be a crapload of cls files for journals and theses out there, but I can't see a large portion of them adding up to more than 5 - 10 MB, especially if you zip the text files initially. Give the user an option to pick the ones they want to install early on, then download them from a contrib site if you want. It is much easier to have the well-written installer handle it as opposed to idiot users like me mucking it all up later...
Re: More class files by default
Ed Gatzke wrote: I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) It may be nice to have a boatload installed by default or as an option. Some to consider include things like prosper (for pretty powerpoint slides) or some widely used professional styles (IEEE, IFAC, others). 1.4.2 already has .layout files for a lot of things that apparently did not get installed in the latex default package (or maybe 1.42 added more layouts that were not included in the 1.4.1 latex I am using). Why not have a install option for extended latex. I know originally they limited the extra stuff in LaTeX distributions, but the way HD space and bandwidth is now days, how much does an extra few MB cost us... There are a few more on the Wiki and instruction on how to make a simple one that will probably work for you. Layout files aren't as abundant as you might think because authors don't make them. The Wiki has Beamer and Powerdot layouts and a small collection. http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/CreatingLayouts [roll your own] Regards, Stephen
Re: More class files by default
Ed Gatzke wrote: You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. The couple of times I have done this, my latex'ing time quadrupled for some strange reason, so the performance hit was frustrating. One time dvis and fonts got fouled up as well. There are like three different ways listed to get classes added to latex, one involves setting a bunch of environment vars as well. There are two or three programs that can fix your paths when you make mods, so it is a bit screwy having option. There must be a crapload of cls files for journals and theses out there, but I can't see a large portion of them adding up to more than 5 - 10 MB, especially if you zip the text files initially. Give the user an option to pick the ones they want to install early on, then download them from a contrib site if you want. It is much easier to have the well-written installer handle it as opposed to idiot users like me mucking it all up later... I'm a bit fuzzy on what you're proposing here. If you add a bunch of LaTeX classes that don't have layout files, they won't be usable from LyX. So we're down to classes for which someone has donated a layout file. There are a few floating around that are not part of the LyX package (I think there might be a few on the Wiki), but my impression is that the number of layout files publicly available but not shipping with LyX is a bit small. As far as the classes/styles themselves (ones that don't come with your LaTeX distribution), using LyX rather than the LaTeX distro to install them might create some compatibility adventures (if an updated version of your distro changes the package installation procedure), and I think would be a bit of a pain to program (since installation procedures are somewhat platform- and distribution-specific). What might work would be a wizard that would walk you through the steps. /Paul
More class files by default
I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) It may be nice to have a boatload installed by default or as an option. Some to consider include things like prosper (for pretty powerpoint slides) or some widely used professional styles (IEEE, IFAC, others). 1.4.2 already has .layout files for a lot of things that apparently did not get installed in the latex default package (or maybe 1.42 added more layouts that were not included in the 1.4.1 latex I am using). Why not have a install option for "extended latex". I know originally they limited the extra stuff in LaTeX distributions, but the way HD space and bandwidth is now days, how much does an extra few MB cost us...
Re: More class files by default
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 10:01 am, Ed Gatzke wrote: > I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex > installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run > something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth > sailing for me) You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: More class files by default
> You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or > anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash > program. > The couple of times I have done this, my latex'ing time quadrupled for some strange reason, so the performance hit was frustrating. One time dvis and fonts got fouled up as well. There are like three different ways listed to get classes added to latex, one involves setting a bunch of environment vars as well. There are two or three programs that can fix your paths when you make mods, so it is a bit screwy having option. There must be a crapload of cls files for journals and theses out there, but I can't see a large portion of them adding up to more than 5 - 10 MB, especially if you zip the text files initially. Give the user an option to pick the ones they want to install early on, then download them from a contrib site if you want. It is much easier to have the well-written installer handle it as opposed to idiot users like me mucking it all up later...
Re: More class files by default
Ed Gatzke wrote: I have run into problems adding extra class files into my latex installation and getting them to work with lyx. (I know, install, run something to reconfigure latex, reconfigure lyx, but it is never smooth sailing for me) It may be nice to have a boatload installed by default or as an option. Some to consider include things like prosper (for pretty powerpoint slides) or some widely used professional styles (IEEE, IFAC, others). 1.4.2 already has .layout files for a lot of things that apparently did not get installed in the latex default package (or maybe 1.42 added more layouts that were not included in the 1.4.1 latex I am using). Why not have a install option for "extended latex". I know originally they limited the extra stuff in LaTeX distributions, but the way HD space and bandwidth is now days, how much does an extra few MB cost us... There are a few more on the Wiki and instruction on how to make a simple one that will probably work for you. Layout files aren't as abundant as you might think because authors don't make them. The Wiki has Beamer and Powerdot layouts and a small collection. http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/CreatingLayouts [roll your own] Regards, Stephen
Re: More class files by default
Ed Gatzke wrote: You've probably done this already, but when you add a style or layout or anything to the /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ tree, run the texhash program. The couple of times I have done this, my latex'ing time quadrupled for some strange reason, so the performance hit was frustrating. One time dvis and fonts got fouled up as well. There are like three different ways listed to get classes added to latex, one involves setting a bunch of environment vars as well. There are two or three programs that can fix your paths when you make mods, so it is a bit screwy having option. There must be a crapload of cls files for journals and theses out there, but I can't see a large portion of them adding up to more than 5 - 10 MB, especially if you zip the text files initially. Give the user an option to pick the ones they want to install early on, then download them from a contrib site if you want. It is much easier to have the well-written installer handle it as opposed to idiot users like me mucking it all up later... I'm a bit fuzzy on what you're proposing here. If you add a bunch of LaTeX classes that don't have layout files, they won't be usable from LyX. So we're down to classes for which someone has donated a layout file. There are a few floating around that are not part of the LyX package (I think there might be a few on the Wiki), but my impression is that the number of layout files publicly available but not shipping with LyX is a bit small. As far as the classes/styles themselves (ones that don't come with your LaTeX distribution), using LyX rather than the LaTeX distro to install them might create some compatibility adventures (if an updated version of your distro changes the package installation procedure), and I think would be a bit of a pain to program (since installation procedures are somewhat platform- and distribution-specific). What might work would be a "wizard" that would walk you through the steps. /Paul
