Re: Problem inner and outer margins
On 25 Jun 2008, John wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2008 12:39:13 pm Nigel Pegram wrote: Hi Adi, Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around somewhere, but that doesn't help you grin. The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. In general the outer margins should re roughly twice the width of the inner margins. This is so that when the book is opened out, the whitespace outside columns of text appears equal. If you look at published books you will see that this is so. Of course the type of binding can affect how well that book can open out and this may mean that the inner margins need to compensate for this by being increased a little. But the visible width of the two inner margins should still look equal to one outer margin Lulu specifies that for their distribution packages (for Amazon etc.) the inner and outer margins must be the same, although you are allowed a gutter on the inside. In practice, I've found that it's best not to have the gutter and just set them all the same. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles)
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
On 25 Jun 2008, John wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2008 12:39:13 pm Nigel Pegram wrote: Hi Adi, Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around somewhere, but that doesn't help you grin. The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. In general the outer margins should re roughly twice the width of the inner margins. This is so that when the book is opened out, the whitespace outside columns of text appears equal. If you look at published books you will see that this is so. Of course the type of binding can affect how well that book can open out and this may mean that the inner margins need to compensate for this by being increased a little. But the visible width of the two inner margins should still look equal to one outer margin Lulu specifies that for their distribution packages (for Amazon etc.) the inner and outer margins must be the same, although you are allowed a gutter on the inside. In practice, I've found that it's best not to have the gutter and just set them all the same. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles)
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
On 25 Jun 2008, John wrote: > On Wednesday 25 June 2008 12:39:13 pm Nigel Pegram wrote: > > Hi Adi, > > > > Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around > > somewhere, but that doesn't help you . > > > > The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should > > be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer > > depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper > > size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, > > burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print > > a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. > In general the outer margins should re roughly twice the width of the inner > margins. > This is so that when the book is opened out, the whitespace outside columns > of > text appears equal. If you look at published books you will see that this is > so. > Of course the type of binding can affect how well that book can open out and > this may mean that the inner margins need to compensate for this by being > increased a little. But the visible width of the two inner margins should > still look equal to one outer margin > Lulu specifies that for their distribution packages (for Amazon etc.) the inner and outer margins must be the same, although you are allowed a gutter on the inside. In practice, I've found that it's best not to have the gutter and just set them all the same. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles)
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Thank you .. Nigel Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the book class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does not change, only its side margins. ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in LyX/LaTeX) Adi --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Hi Adi, Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around somewhere, but that doesn't help you grin. The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. HTH Nigel On 25/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you .. Nigel Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the book class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does not change, only its side margins. ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in LyX/LaTeX) Adi --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
On Wednesday 25 June 2008 12:39:13 pm Nigel Pegram wrote: Hi Adi, Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around somewhere, but that doesn't help you grin. The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. In general the outer margins should re roughly twice the width of the inner margins. This is so that when the book is opened out, the whitespace outside columns of text appears equal. If you look at published books you will see that this is so. Of course the type of binding can affect how well that book can open out and this may mean that the inner margins need to compensate for this by being increased a little. But the visible width of the two inner margins should still look equal to one outer margin John O'Gorman HTH Nigel On 25/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you .. Nigel Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the book class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does not change, only its side margins. ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in LyX/LaTeX) Adi --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Thank you .. Nigel Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the book class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does not change, only its side margins. ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in LyX/LaTeX) Adi --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Hi Adi, Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around somewhere, but that doesn't help you grin. The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. HTH Nigel On 25/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you .. Nigel Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the book class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does not change, only its side margins. ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in LyX/LaTeX) Adi --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
On Wednesday 25 June 2008 12:39:13 pm Nigel Pegram wrote: Hi Adi, Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around somewhere, but that doesn't help you grin. The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. In general the outer margins should re roughly twice the width of the inner margins. This is so that when the book is opened out, the whitespace outside columns of text appears equal. If you look at published books you will see that this is so. Of course the type of binding can affect how well that book can open out and this may mean that the inner margins need to compensate for this by being increased a little. But the visible width of the two inner margins should still look equal to one outer margin John O'Gorman HTH Nigel On 25/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you .. Nigel Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the book class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does not change, only its side margins. ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in LyX/LaTeX) Adi --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nigel Pegram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing document class book. When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings - page margins- default margin). Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. Regards Adi Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing > document class "book". > When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply > said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be > smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. > > How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings > - page margins- default margin). > > Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. > > Regards > Adi > > > > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Thank you .. Nigel Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the "book" class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does not change, only its side margins. ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in LyX/LaTeX) Adi --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Nigel Pegram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the default margin setting and enter the values directly. Nigel On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing > document class "book". > When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply > said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be > smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. > > How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - settings > - page margins- default margin). > > Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. > > Regards > Adi > > > > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > www.yahoo7.com.au/mail Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
Hi Adi, Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around somewhere, but that doesn't help you . The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. HTH Nigel On 25/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you .. Nigel > Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the "book" class. > If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can just swap > the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the manuscript does > not change, only its side margins. > ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in > LyX/LaTeX) > > Adi > > --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Nigel Pegram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM > > Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the > default margin setting and enter the values directly. > > Nigel > > On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing >> document class "book". >> When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply >> said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be >> smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. >> >> How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - > settings >> - page margins- default margin). >> >> Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. >> >> Regards >> Adi >> >> >> >> Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. >> www.yahoo7.com.au/mail > > > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
Re: Problem inner and outer margins
On Wednesday 25 June 2008 12:39:13 pm Nigel Pegram wrote: > Hi Adi, > > Offhand, no, I don't know the default settings. It'll be around > somewhere, but that doesn't help you . > > The reason I suggested speaking with the publisher is that they should > be able to inform you concerning good margin sizes. The correct answer > depends on a number of factors, including text (point) size, paper > size, number of pages (creep) and the style of binding (perfect, > burst, ring, etc). If they can't/won't help you, you could aways print > a sample page from lyx and take the measurements from that. In general the outer margins should re roughly twice the width of the inner margins. This is so that when the book is opened out, the whitespace outside columns of text appears equal. If you look at published books you will see that this is so. Of course the type of binding can affect how well that book can open out and this may mean that the inner margins need to compensate for this by being increased a little. But the visible width of the two inner margins should still look equal to one outer margin John O'Gorman > > HTH > Nigel > > On 25/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you .. Nigel > > Is that possible to know all the margin default values of the "book" > > class. If I know the values of the default inner and outer margins, I can > > just swap the values without disturbing the width of the text, and the > > manuscript does not change, only its side margins. > > ( I am sorry, probably it is a simple question.. I am a beginner in > > LyX/LaTeX) > > > > Adi > > > > --- On Wed, 25/6/08, Nigel Pegram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Nigel Pegram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Problem inner and outer margins > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > Received: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008, 6:23 AM > > > > Ask your publisher for the required margins and then uncheck the > > default margin setting and enter the values directly. > > > > Nigel > > > > On 24/06/2008, Waluyo Adi Siswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am writing a double-sided book manuscript to publish, by employing > >> document class "book". > >> When I showed the printed manuscript to the publisher, they just simply > >> said, it looks fine except the outer and inner margin. The outer must be > >> smaller than the inner because it will be used for binding purpose. > >> > >> How can I switch the the inner and outer margins. I use (document - > > > > settings > > > >> - page margins- default margin). > >> > >> Thank you if anyone could give me any suggestions. > >> > >> Regards > >> Adi > >> > >> > >> > >> Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > >> www.yahoo7.com.au/mail > > > > Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. > > www.yahoo7.com.au/mail
