Re: "ASCII" considered obscure
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:55:24 +0200 Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > > First, in most programs, "Text" is a file type listed on the save > > dialog, not under "Export", which tends to be reserved for > > non-editable formats such as PDF. This is certainly the case in most > > word processors. Hence, she was confused because there was no option > > in "Save as" to change the file type to text. > > > Well, I wouldn't want any document types under "save as". > Word processors that offer "save as...document type" tend to fully > support working with those document types, and remember to keep > using that type for subsequent saves. Lyx works with lyx documents, I > don't see any other choices there. > > Export means to create a file in a different format for _some other_ > software to use. I.e. lyx won't necessarily support the exported > file in any way. Which is true for things like pdf. I intuitively feel the 'export' option is not necessary. Why not permit selecting the destination type, in the normal 'save as...' option, and - if necessary - add a warning that the working document remains in .lyx? (or add a warning in the 'save as...' dialog box itself) John
Re: "ASCII" considered obscure
Reuben Thomas wrote: When importing text into an OpenOffice document, I suggested to a naïve user that she export the LyX document as text. She had two problems, both of which merit attention to LyX's menus, I think. First, in most programs, "Text" is a file type listed on the save dialog, not under "Export", which tends to be reserved for non-editable formats such as PDF. This is certainly the case in most word processors. Hence, she was confused because there was no option in "Save as" to change the file type to text. Well, I wouldn't want any document types under "save as". Word processors that offer "save as...document type" tend to fully support working with those document types, and remember to keep using that type for subsequent saves. Lyx works with lyx documents, I don't see any other choices there. Export means to create a file in a different format for _some other_ software to use. I.e. lyx won't necessarily support the exported file in any way. Which is true for things like pdf. Secondly, and much easier to fix, she then said "but there's no option to export as text". She didn't know that ASCII means plain text. I suggest the menu entry be changed to say "Plain text" or similar, again, in line with most wordprocessors. I agree to this, "plain text" is a better word here. Helge Hafting
Re: "ASCII" considered obscure
We call them there flared trousers as either flared jeans or "bell-bottoms." -Marc On Sunday 25 April 2004 16:20, robin wrote: > John Levon wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:25:26PM +0200, Reuben Thomas wrote: > >>First, in most programs, "Text" is a file type listed on the save dialog, > >>not under "Export", which tends to be reserved for non-editable formats > >>such as PDF. This is certainly the case in most word processors. Hence, > >>she was confused because there was no option in "Save as" to change the > >>file type to text. > > > > I've wanted this for a while. > > > >>Secondly, and much easier to fix, she then said "but there's no option to > >>export as text". She didn't know that ASCII means plain text. I suggest > >>the menu entry be changed to say "Plain text" or similar, again, in line > >>with most wordprocessors. > > > > "Plain Text" is a good idea. File a bug. > > Reluctantly, I agree. These days knowing what ASCII means is equivalent > to knowing what a bulletin board is, or having worn flared trousers in > the 1970s. > > Robin
Re: "ASCII" considered obscure
John Levon wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:25:26PM +0200, Reuben Thomas wrote: First, in most programs, "Text" is a file type listed on the save dialog, not under "Export", which tends to be reserved for non-editable formats such as PDF. This is certainly the case in most word processors. Hence, she was confused because there was no option in "Save as" to change the file type to text. I've wanted this for a while. Secondly, and much easier to fix, she then said "but there's no option to export as text". She didn't know that ASCII means plain text. I suggest the menu entry be changed to say "Plain text" or similar, again, in line with most wordprocessors. "Plain Text" is a good idea. File a bug. Reluctantly, I agree. These days knowing what ASCII means is equivalent to knowing what a bulletin board is, or having worn flared trousers in the 1970s. Robin -- "If the lion could speak, we would not understand it." - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin
Re: "ASCII" considered obscure
On Sun, Apr 25, 2004 at 10:25:26PM +0200, Reuben Thomas wrote: > First, in most programs, "Text" is a file type listed on the save dialog, > not under "Export", which tends to be reserved for non-editable formats > such as PDF. This is certainly the case in most word processors. Hence, > she was confused because there was no option in "Save as" to change the > file type to text. I've wanted this for a while. > Secondly, and much easier to fix, she then said "but there's no option to > export as text". She didn't know that ASCII means plain text. I suggest > the menu entry be changed to say "Plain text" or similar, again, in line > with most wordprocessors. "Plain Text" is a good idea. File a bug. john