Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Konrad Hofbauer

Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same problem
with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is
a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same
window...

Any other Mac users seeing this???



It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.


I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-)
Should we maybe make this the default?

Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas 
for a new window, we have File-New Window.


All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also 
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how 
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening 
opens all documents in a single window (tabbed). Also, dragdrop of tabs 
between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a new window is a copy of the 
old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it is empty. If I load an 
already open document in the new empty window, what do I get? What is on 
disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.)


Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my 
thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I 
simply have not understood the concept yet.


/Konrad



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Bennett Helm
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same problem
 with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is
 a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same
 window...

 Any other Mac users seeing this???


It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.

Bennett


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 14:27, James Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same
problem with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own
window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have
them tabbed in the same window...

Any other Mac users seeing this???

It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.

Bennett




Bennett,

Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to dock a
window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it either
all tabbed or all separate???


Put an enhancement request in bugzilla for a new menu item Open 
document in new Tab. Should be easy to implement.


Abdel.



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Bennett Helm
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Bennett Helm wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same
 problem
 with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which
 is
 a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the
 same
 window...

 Any other Mac users seeing this???



 It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
 Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.


 I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-)
 Should we maybe make this the default?


The thought was that we should make LyX behave like a standard Mac
application as much as possible.


 Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas
 for a new window, we have File-New Window.


Actually, you can: View  [filename] will open a view of that file as a tab
in the current window.



 All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
 session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
 I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
 this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


 For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening opens
 all documents in a single window (tabbed).


I've reported that to bugzilla as a bug.


 Also, dragdrop of tabs between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a new
 window is a copy of the old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it
 is empty.


File an enhancement request in bugzilla.


 If I load an already open document in the new empty window, what do I get?
 What is on disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.)


I agree: it's a bit confusing from the GUI. However, it's possible to have
multiple windows on a single document (which can be very useful), and LyX
ensures that they're all in sync. (That is, the multiple windows are simply
different views of the same thing, where it is this one thing -- the
document -- that gets edited from within any of these views.)

Bennett




 Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my
 thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I simply
 have not understood the concept yet.

 /Konrad




Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Konrad Hofbauer

Bennett Helm wrote:
things are improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness 
to my complaints thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


Very much so !!! :-)

/Konrad


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread James Sutherland


On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same  
problem with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own  
window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have  
them tabbed in the same window...


Any other Mac users seeing this???

It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX   
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.


Bennett




Bennett,

Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to dock  
a window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it  
either all tabbed or all separate???


James

Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.



I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep 
investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the 
lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to 
some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac 
issues are fixed then.


Abdel.




Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
 session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
 I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
 this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


 I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
 I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
 improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
 thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)

 Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep  
 investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the  
 lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to  
 some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac  
 issues are fixed then.

Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my
ToDo list?

Andre'


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put  
on my

ToDo list?


It would definitely help a lot.

JMarc


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 20:15, Andre Poenitz wrote:

On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
   

On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:
 

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
   

All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.
 

I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)
   

Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep
investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the
lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to
some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac
issues are fixed then.
 


Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my
ToDo list?
   


That would be nice indeed. Sorry I took for granted that 'Qt Software' 
has some Macs lying around...


Abdel.



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Konrad Hofbauer

Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same problem
with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is
a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same
window...

Any other Mac users seeing this???



It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.


I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-)
Should we maybe make this the default?

Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas 
for a new window, we have File-New Window.


All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also 
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how 
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening 
opens all documents in a single window (tabbed). Also, dragdrop of tabs 
between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a new window is a copy of the 
old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it is empty. If I load an 
already open document in the new empty window, what do I get? What is on 
disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.)


Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my 
thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I 
simply have not understood the concept yet.


/Konrad



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Bennett Helm
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same problem
 with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is
 a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same
 window...

 Any other Mac users seeing this???


It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.

Bennett


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 14:27, James Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same
problem with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own
window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have
them tabbed in the same window...

Any other Mac users seeing this???

It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.

Bennett




Bennett,

Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to dock a
window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it either
all tabbed or all separate???


Put an enhancement request in bugzilla for a new menu item Open 
document in new Tab. Should be easy to implement.


Abdel.



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Bennett Helm
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Bennett Helm wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same
 problem
 with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which
 is
 a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the
 same
 window...

 Any other Mac users seeing this???



 It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX 
 Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.


 I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-)
 Should we maybe make this the default?


The thought was that we should make LyX behave like a standard Mac
application as much as possible.


 Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas
 for a new window, we have File-New Window.


Actually, you can: View  [filename] will open a view of that file as a tab
in the current window.



 All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
 session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
 I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
 this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


 For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening opens
 all documents in a single window (tabbed).


I've reported that to bugzilla as a bug.


 Also, dragdrop of tabs between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a new
 window is a copy of the old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it
 is empty.


File an enhancement request in bugzilla.


 If I load an already open document in the new empty window, what do I get?
 What is on disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.)


I agree: it's a bit confusing from the GUI. However, it's possible to have
multiple windows on a single document (which can be very useful), and LyX
ensures that they're all in sync. (That is, the multiple windows are simply
different views of the same thing, where it is this one thing -- the
document -- that gets edited from within any of these views.)

Bennett




 Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my
 thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I simply
 have not understood the concept yet.

 /Konrad




Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Konrad Hofbauer

Bennett Helm wrote:
things are improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness 
to my complaints thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


Very much so !!! :-)

/Konrad


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread James Sutherland


On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same  
problem with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own  
window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have  
them tabbed in the same window...


Any other Mac users seeing this???

It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX   
Preferences  Look and Feel  Open documents in tabs.


Bennett




Bennett,

Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to dock  
a window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it  
either all tabbed or all separate???


James

Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.



I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep 
investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the 
lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to 
some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac 
issues are fixed then.


Abdel.




Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
 session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
 I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
 this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


 I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
 I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
 improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
 thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)

 Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep  
 investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the  
 lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to  
 some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac  
 issues are fixed then.

Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my
ToDo list?

Andre'


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put  
on my

ToDo list?


It would definitely help a lot.

JMarc


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 20:15, Andre Poenitz wrote:

On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
   

On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:
 

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
   

All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.
 

I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)
   

Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep
investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the
lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to
some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac
issues are fixed then.
 


Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my
ToDo list?
   


That would be nice indeed. Sorry I took for granted that 'Qt Software' 
has some Macs lying around...


Abdel.



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Konrad Hofbauer

Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same problem
with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is
a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same
window...

Any other Mac users seeing this???



It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX >
Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs.


I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-)
Should we maybe make this the default?

Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas 
for a new window, we have File->New Window.


All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also 
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how 
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening 
opens all documents in a single window (tabbed). Also, drag of tabs 
between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a "new window" is a copy of the 
old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it is empty. If I load an 
already open document in the new empty window, what do I get? What is on 
disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.)


Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my 
thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I 
simply have not understood the concept yet.


/Konrad



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Bennett Helm
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same problem
> with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is
> a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same
> window...
>
> Any other Mac users seeing this???


It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX >
Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs.

Bennett


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 14:27, James Sutherland wrote:


On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same
problem with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own
window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have
them tabbed in the same window...

Any other Mac users seeing this???

It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX >
Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs.

Bennett




Bennett,

Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to "dock" a
window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it either
all tabbed or all separate???


Put an enhancement request in bugzilla for a new menu item "Open 
document in new Tab". Should be easy to implement.


Abdel.



Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Bennett Helm
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Bennett Helm wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>  I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same
>>> problem
>>> with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which
>>> is
>>> a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the
>>> same
>>> window...
>>>
>>> Any other Mac users seeing this???
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX >
>> Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs.
>>
>
> I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-)
> Should we maybe make this the default?


The thought was that we should make LyX behave like a standard Mac
application as much as possible.


> Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas
> for a new window, we have File->New Window.


Actually, you can: View > [filename] will open a view of that file as a tab
in the current window.

>
>
> All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
> session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
> I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
> this is represented in the Gui/Menus.


I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


> For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening opens
> all documents in a single window (tabbed).


I've reported that to bugzilla as a bug.


> Also, drag of tabs between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a "new
> window" is a copy of the old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it
> is empty.


File an enhancement request in bugzilla.


> If I load an already open document in the new empty window, what do I get?
> What is on disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.)


I agree: it's a bit confusing from the GUI. However, it's possible to have
multiple windows on a single document (which can be very useful), and LyX
ensures that they're all in sync. (That is, the multiple windows are simply
different views of the same thing, where it is this one thing -- the
document -- that gets edited from within any of these views.)

Bennett



>
> Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my
> thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I simply
> have not understood the concept yet.
>
> /Konrad
>
>


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Konrad Hofbauer

Bennett Helm wrote:
things are improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness 
to my complaints thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


Very much so !!! :-)

/Konrad


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread James Sutherland


On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3.  I had the same  
problem with RC2.  Each additional file I open will open in its own  
window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have  
them tabbed in the same window...


Any other Mac users seeing this???

It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX >  
Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs.


Bennett




Bennett,

Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to "dock"  
a window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it  
either all tabbed or all separate???


James

Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.



I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)


Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep 
investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the 
lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to 
some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac 
issues are fixed then.


Abdel.




Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>> All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
>>> session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
>>> I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
>>> this is represented in the Gui/Menus.
>>
>>
>> I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
>> I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
>> improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
>> thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)
>
> Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep  
> investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the  
> lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to  
> some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac  
> issues are fixed then.

Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my
ToDo list?

Andre'


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put  
on my

ToDo list?


It would definitely help a lot.

JMarc


Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?

2008-10-09 Thread Abdelrazak Younes

On 09/10/2008 20:15, Andre Poenitz wrote:

On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
   

On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote:
 

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
   

All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also
session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet.
I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how
this is represented in the Gui/Menus.
 

I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as
I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are
improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints
thus far. (Thanks Abdel!)
   

Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep
investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the
lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to
some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac
issues are fixed then.
 


Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my
ToDo list?
   


That would be nice indeed. Sorry I took for granted that 'Qt Software' 
has some Macs lying around...


Abdel.