Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
On 09/10/2008 20:15, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet. I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how this is represented in the Gui/Menus. I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints thus far. (Thanks Abdel!) Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac issues are fixed then. Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my ToDo list? That would be nice indeed. Sorry I took for granted that 'Qt Software' has some Macs lying around... Abdel.
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my ToDo list? It would definitely help a lot. JMarc
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:13:54PM +0200, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >>> All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also >>> session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet. >>> I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how >>> this is represented in the Gui/Menus. >> >> >> I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as >> I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are >> improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints >> thus far. (Thanks Abdel!) > > Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep > investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the > lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to > some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac > issues are fixed then. Is that magical appearance of Macs something I am supposed to put on my ToDo list? Andre'
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
On 09/10/2008 16:42, Bennett Helm wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet. I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how this is represented in the Gui/Menus. I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints thus far. (Thanks Abdel!) Well, I have not been very attentive lately... too busy for any deep investigation. I had hoped that some other Mac developer would take the lead but it didn't happen unfortunately. I think we'll have access to some Mac machines at the Berlin meeting so I'll make sure that all Mac issues are fixed then. Abdel.
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
Bennett Helm wrote: things are improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints thus far. (Thanks Abdel!) Very much so !!! :-) /Konrad
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Konrad Hofbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Bennett Helm wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >> I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same >>> problem >>> with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which >>> is >>> a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the >>> same >>> window... >>> >>> Any other Mac users seeing this??? >>> >> >> >> It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX > >> Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs. >> > > I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-) > Should we maybe make this the default? The thought was that we should make LyX behave like a standard Mac application as much as possible. > Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas > for a new window, we have File->New Window. Actually, you can: View > [filename] will open a view of that file as a tab in the current window. > > > All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also > session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet. > I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how > this is represented in the Gui/Menus. I agree and have raised some of these issues on the developer's list. But as I'm not a programmer myself, I'm not going to complain too much: things are improving and I appreciate especially Abdel's attentiveness to my complaints thus far. (Thanks Abdel!) > For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening opens > all documents in a single window (tabbed). I've reported that to bugzilla as a bug. > Also, drag&drop of tabs between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a "new > window" is a copy of the old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it > is empty. File an enhancement request in bugzilla. > If I load an already open document in the new empty window, what do I get? > What is on disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.) I agree: it's a bit confusing from the GUI. However, it's possible to have multiple windows on a single document (which can be very useful), and LyX ensures that they're all in sync. (That is, the multiple windows are simply different views of the same thing, where it is this one thing -- the document -- that gets edited from within any of these views.) Bennett > > Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my > thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I simply > have not understood the concept yet. > > /Konrad > >
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
On 09/10/2008 14:27, James Sutherland wrote: On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same problem with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same window... Any other Mac users seeing this??? It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX > Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs. Bennett Bennett, Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to "dock" a window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it either all tabbed or all separate??? Put an enhancement request in bugzilla for a new menu item "Open document in new Tab". Should be easy to implement. Abdel.
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
Bennett Helm wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same problem with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same window... Any other Mac users seeing this??? It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX > Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs. I did not even know this, I was just about to send him to bugzilla. ;-) Should we maybe make this the default? Otherwise, there is no intuitive way of getting a tabbed window. Whereas for a new window, we have File->New Window. All in all I have the feeling that multiple tabs/windows/views (and also session management) are (at least on the Mac) not fully worked out, yet. I feel like we miss an underlying concept when what opens where, and how this is represented in the Gui/Menus. For example, having multiple windows open, quitting lyx and reopening opens all documents in a single window (tabbed). Also, drag&drop of tabs between windows would be nice. In 1.5, a "new window" is a copy of the old one (in terms of documents loaded), in 1.6 it is empty. If I load an already open document in the new empty window, what do I get? What is on disk or what is in the other window? (Not clear from the GUI.) Admittedly, I have not used 1.6 too much until now (I am writing on my thesis right now, so I don't dare switching to 1.6, yet.) So maybe I simply have not understood the concept yet. /Konrad
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same problem with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same window... Any other Mac users seeing this??? It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX > Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs. Bennett Bennett, Is there a way to have the best of both worlds - to be able to "dock" a window and have it show up as a tab - without having to have it either all tabbed or all separate??? James
Re: 1.6rc3 on Mac - no tabbed windows?
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:23 AM, James Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I cannot get tabbed windows working on Mac for RC3. I had the same problem > with RC2. Each additional file I open will open in its own window (which is > a nice feature), but sometimes I would like to have them tabbed in the same > window... > > Any other Mac users seeing this??? It's a feature, not a bug! Nonetheless, you can turn it off: LyX > Preferences > Look and Feel > Open documents in tabs. Bennett