Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
Dear Richard
Sorry for the weekend delay, comments below.
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Física Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibración Dosimétrica
Centro de Protección e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Dirección postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
El 22/03/2012 04:38 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 06:51 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as
Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in
the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's
bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS
Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never
seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe
5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a
100 page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing
from order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to
the requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned,
you must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and
it must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work,
why LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it
as a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all
the main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
Hopefully for 2.1, we are going to have a LyX bundle that will solve
all such problems, including figures, to *make it easy to exchange
data with others*. Right now, we have the ability to export a LyX
archive that will bundle all these things, too.
This is the main purpose of this discusion
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be
the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This
is not too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
If this means writing everything as ERT, it doesn't look good. I can
imagine making LyX's internal storage of bibitems look more like
BibTeX, then creating a BibTeX file on the fly for compilation, etc.
There's already a bug about this, partly, to make bibitems easier to
use with natbib. But it doesn't make much sense to me to go much
farther. BibTeX isn't that hard to use, and one can exchange files
using LyX's existing archive format, or just exchange two files. It
isn't that hard.
Richard
No, you missunderstand me, in the modernCV example you must just use ERT
for the }{ separator, the rest is normal text, internally you should
make the assumption that for example the first segment is ID, the second
are authors, and so on. For a more general bibliography then you should
create new bibliography kinds (like the modernCV list, language,
computer, etc) such as book, article, etc with different representations.
Now about BibTeX, I am 100% with you, it is not hard at all, but try to
tell this to editors. Unless we convince editors to accept more than one
file we are doomed to export our work to LaTeX, which is not the
objective of LyX at all.
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
Dear Richard
Sorry for the weekend delay, comments below.
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Física Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibración Dosimétrica
Centro de Protección e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Dirección postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
El 22/03/2012 04:38 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 06:51 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as
Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in
the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's
bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS
Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never
seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe
5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a
100 page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing
from order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to
the requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned,
you must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and
it must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work,
why LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it
as a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all
the main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
Hopefully for 2.1, we are going to have a LyX bundle that will solve
all such problems, including figures, to *make it easy to exchange
data with others*. Right now, we have the ability to export a LyX
archive that will bundle all these things, too.
This is the main purpose of this discusion
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be
the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This
is not too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
If this means writing everything as ERT, it doesn't look good. I can
imagine making LyX's internal storage of bibitems look more like
BibTeX, then creating a BibTeX file on the fly for compilation, etc.
There's already a bug about this, partly, to make bibitems easier to
use with natbib. But it doesn't make much sense to me to go much
farther. BibTeX isn't that hard to use, and one can exchange files
using LyX's existing archive format, or just exchange two files. It
isn't that hard.
Richard
No, you missunderstand me, in the modernCV example you must just use ERT
for the }{ separator, the rest is normal text, internally you should
make the assumption that for example the first segment is ID, the second
are authors, and so on. For a more general bibliography then you should
create new bibliography kinds (like the modernCV list, language,
computer, etc) such as book, article, etc with different representations.
Now about BibTeX, I am 100% with you, it is not hard at all, but try to
tell this to editors. Unless we convince editors to accept more than one
file we are doomed to export our work to LaTeX, which is not the
objective of LyX at all.
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
Dear Richard
Sorry for the weekend delay, comments below.
Saludos
~-o--{}--o-~
Alex Vergara Gil
MSc. Física Nuclear
Laboratorio Secundario de Calibración Dosimétrica
Centro de Protección e Higiene de las Radiaciones
Calle No. 4113 e/ 41 y 47 Playa, C de la Habana
C.P.11300 La Habana, Cuba
Dirección postal A.P.6195 C.P.10600
Telf: (537)6829681, (537)6821803
Fax: (537)2030165
El 22/03/2012 04:38 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 06:51 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as
Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in
the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's
bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS
Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never
seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe
5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand".
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a
100 page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing
from order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to
the requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned,
you must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and
it must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work,
why LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it
as a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all
the main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
Hopefully for 2.1, we are going to have a "LyX bundle" that will solve
all such problems, including figures, to *make it easy to exchange
data with others*. Right now, we have the ability to export a LyX
archive that will bundle all these things, too.
This is the main purpose of this discusion
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be
the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This
is not too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
If this means writing everything as ERT, it doesn't look good. I can
imagine making LyX's internal storage of bibitems look more like
BibTeX, then creating a BibTeX file on the fly for compilation, etc.
There's already a bug about this, partly, to make bibitems easier to
use with natbib. But it doesn't make much sense to me to go much
farther. BibTeX isn't that hard to use, and one can exchange files
using LyX's existing archive format, or just exchange two files. It
isn't that hard.
Richard
No, you missunderstand me, in the modernCV example you must just use ERT
for the }{ separator, the rest is normal text, internally you should
make the assumption that for example the first segment is ID, the second
are authors, and so on. For a more general bibliography then you should
create new bibliography kinds (like the modernCV list, language,
computer, etc) such as book, article, etc with different representations.
Now about BibTeX, I am 100% with you, it is not hard at all, but try to
tell this to editors. Unless we convince editors to accept more than one
file we are doomed to export our work to LaTeX, which is not the
objective of LyX at all.
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100 page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't? Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems, though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not too hard to do since most of the work is already done! To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is, what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to figure that out in any reliable way. Richard
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver,
etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required
order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply
cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen
the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10
references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from
order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must
tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must
automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it as
a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all the
main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the
use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not
too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
Richard
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
Alex
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
On 03/22/2012 06:51 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as
Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the
required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you
simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is
this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never
seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe
5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from
order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you
must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it
must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why
LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it
as a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all
the main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
Hopefully for 2.1, we are going to have a LyX bundle that will solve
all such problems, including figures, to make it easy to exchange data
with others. Right now, we have the ability to export a LyX archive that
will bundle all these things, too.
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be
the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is
not too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
If this means writing everything as ERT, it doesn't look good. I can
imagine making LyX's internal storage of bibitems look more like BibTeX,
then creating a BibTeX file on the fly for compilation, etc. There's
already a bug about this, partly, to make bibitems easier to use with
natbib. But it doesn't make much sense to me to go much farther. BibTeX
isn't that hard to use, and one can exchange files using LyX's existing
archive format, or just exchange two files. It isn't that hard.
Richard
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand. When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100 page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't? Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems, though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not too hard to do since most of the work is already done! To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is, what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to figure that out in any reliable way. Richard
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver,
etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required
order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply
cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen
the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10
references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from
order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must
tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must
automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it as
a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all the
main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the
use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not
too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
Richard
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
Alex
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
On 03/22/2012 06:51 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as
Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the
required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you
simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is
this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never
seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe
5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do by hand.
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from
order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you
must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it
must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why
LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it
as a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all
the main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
Hopefully for 2.1, we are going to have a LyX bundle that will solve
all such problems, including figures, to make it easy to exchange data
with others. Right now, we have the ability to export a LyX archive that
will bundle all these things, too.
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be
the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is
not too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
If this means writing everything as ERT, it doesn't look good. I can
imagine making LyX's internal storage of bibitems look more like BibTeX,
then creating a BibTeX file on the fly for compilation, etc. There's
already a bug about this, partly, to make bibitems easier to use with
natbib. But it doesn't make much sense to me to go much farther. BibTeX
isn't that hard to use, and one can exchange files using LyX's existing
archive format, or just exchange two files. It isn't that hard.
Richard
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió: On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug? No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand". When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100 page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't? Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems, though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not too hard to do since most of the work is already done! To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is, what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to figure that out in any reliable way. Richard
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as Vancouver,
etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the required
order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you simply
cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never seen
the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe 5-10
references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand".
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from
order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you must
tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it must
automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it as
a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all the
main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be the
use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is not
too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
Richard
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
Alex
Re: Bibliography handling by LyX
On 03/22/2012 06:51 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 02:50 p.m., Richard Heck escribió:
On 03/22/2012 04:02 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
El 22/03/2012 12:36 p.m., David L. Johnson escribió:
On 03/22/2012 02:08 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
I have an objection to the use of bibitems in LyX: If you use
BibTeX you can choose the bibliographic standard such as
Vancouver, etc, besides the BibTeX sorts bibliography items in the
required order acordingly to the standard; with LyX's bibitems you
simply cannot do this and is like turning back to MS Office. Is
this a bug?
No, it's not a bug. Perhaps it's old-fashioned, but I've never
seen the need to bother with bibtex. Most of my papers have maybe
5-10 references, that is certainly easy enough to do "by hand".
When I wrote my MSc thesis I must handled with 80 citations in a 100
page piece of work, imagine sort them one by one and changing from
order of apearance to alphabetical just to adjust your work to the
requirements of the institute!!! It is indeed old fashioned, you
must tell the software what kind of bibliography you need and it
must automatically reshape and sort it. BibTeX does this work, why
LyX can't?
Sorry, I don't understand. Of course you can use BibTeX with LyX. Or
you can just use bibitems. It's up to you. If you use bibitems,
though, then you have to sort them. Why? Because
Off course I can use BibTeX with LyX, but to generalize the use of it
as a redaction system editors will prefer, it is better to have all
the main things in a solely archive, not figures off course, but the
bibliography...
Hopefully for 2.1, we are going to have a "LyX bundle" that will solve
all such problems, including figures, to make it easy to exchange data
with others. Right now, we have the ability to export a LyX archive that
will bundle all these things, too.
As initial step I would like to recommend developers to include an
option to export bibitems to BibTeX, and a final option should be
the use of BibTeX to produce the bibliography from bibitems. This is
not too hard to do since most of the work is already done!
To do this, you'd have to be able to figure out who the author is,
what the title is, etc, etc, etc. It is not going to be possible to
figure that out in any reliable way.
By using the same algoritms that are already used for the modernCV
example (separators }{)
If this means writing everything as ERT, it doesn't look good. I can
imagine making LyX's internal storage of bibitems look more like BibTeX,
then creating a BibTeX file on the fly for compilation, etc. There's
already a bug about this, partly, to make bibitems easier to use with
natbib. But it doesn't make much sense to me to go much farther. BibTeX
isn't that hard to use, and one can exchange files using LyX's existing
archive format, or just exchange two files. It isn't that hard.
Richard
