Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:10:20 +0200 Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Smith wrote: > > > On 4/18/05, Michael Scottaline > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> PS>When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx > >> PS>twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other > >> PS>one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a > >> PS>bug? > > Yes it is normal, cut&paste is very primitive in LyX. Also, you cannot cut a > piece a LyX text with ctrl-C and paste it in another application like your > mailer with ctrl-V. > > Cut&paste is a sad example of the results of the over-engineered and > under-staffed toolkit independent LyX Sonderweg. Well, I'm running on my > hobby horse here ;-) I have managed to copy equations to/from emacs (when I need highly twicked documents I usually handle the latex directly and use lyx only as an equation editor). The problem is probably with the limitation of the X-windows copy system where Ctrl-C/V, middle click and shift-insert aren't 100% linked. > > Cheers, > Charles > -- > http://www.kde-france.org > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC.
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 11:51:21AM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > I guess we just need to look at a kde app to see how they stuff the > clipboard. Plain Qt should be sufficient as far as I can tell.. Andre'
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: > On 4/18/05, Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cut&paste is a sad example of the results of the over-engineered and > > under-staffed toolkit independent LyX Sonderweg. > > In spite of being few, LyX staff deserves a high commendation for > having greatly simplified, in an intelligent way, the task of battling > with LaTeX when writing our documents. Describing the GUII effort beyond plain GUI-core separation (which was sucessful and necessary) as 'over-engineered and under-staffed' is nevertheless appropriate. The project just can't effort to continue that effort, but I have the suspicion that this is becoming consensus... Andre'
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On 18.04.05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Paul Smith wrote: > > When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx > > twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the > > other one is not possible. > > Assuming *NIX, and X, open xclipboard, "copy" from one LyX, "paste" into > xclipboard. Now do the same from xclipboard to the 2d LyX. Drag-and-drop with the mouse works also without xclipboard. In some LyX versions, you need to copy (C-c with cua.bind) the marked region, before you can paste it somewhere else (with the middle mouse button). However, you will loose information this way as the x-selection only gets an ASCII version of the document. > Document to document within one LyX session (window) works without a hitch > and *almost* never looses formatting information. Feature request --- I would greatly appreciate a lyx-function (say x-copy) that passes a "stringified" version of the region with full formatting information to the selection and an accompanying x-paste that inserts this again. The same would be a great help for the lyx-server (say server-copy and server-paste). Günter -- G.Milde web.de
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
samar wrote: > > > Hmm! That does not seem to be the case on my linux lyx 1.3.4 where the > procedure I follow relatively routinely is as follows: > > 1. Go to the first text document and highlight the text to be copied by > highlighting and ctrl C. > 2. Click outside the highlighted text to get rid of the highlight. This > for some reason is fairly important. > 3,.Go to the other lyx document, opened by a separate lyx command. > 4. Push the middle mouse button where you want to place the copied text. > > I have just done this again to ensure that it does work.Maybe it does not > work on all configurations. > > samar Well it is a wrong behaviour and a broken one on platforms without a middle button (Windows, Mac OS/X). Clipboard management on X11 was standardized 3 years ago between Gnome / KDE / Qt http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fClipboardsWiki Another problem is that cut&paste between two LyX windows only work with plain text and you'll lose all LyX formatting information. Clipboard code is very tricky to debug and I understand that LyX developers don't want to work on such an ungrateful job. Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
samar wrote: Hmm! That does not seem to be the case on my linux lyx 1.3.4 where the procedure I follow relatively routinely is as follows: 1. Go to the first text document and highlight the text to be copied by highlighting and ctrl C. 2. Click outside the highlighted text to get rid of the highlight. This for some reason is fairly important. 3,.Go to the other lyx document, opened by a separate lyx command. 4. Push the middle mouse button where you want to place the copied text. I have just done this again to ensure that it does work.Maybe it does not work on all configurations. samar Surprisingly, this also works with Lyx 1.3.5 under Windows (XP). Normally, the middle mouse button does nothing in Windows. The windows version of Lyx seems to be the only application where it follows the usual linux behavior (pasting the copy buffer), both within a single window and between different windows. John
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Hmm! That does not seem to be the case on my linux lyx 1.3.4 where the procedure I follow relatively routinely is as follows: 1. Go to the first text document and highlight the text to be copied by highlighting and ctrl C. 2. Click outside the highlighted text to get rid of the highlight. This for some reason is fairly important. 3,.Go to the other lyx document, opened by a separate lyx command. 4. Push the middle mouse button where you want to place the copied text. I have just done this again to ensure that it does work.Maybe it does not work on all configurations. I can confirm this method works without a problem on my Windows XP ported version of LyX 1.3.5. Rob S Win port LyX 1.3.5 Further to my last - Just found this method will also copy text from a .doc or a .pdf straight into LyX - now thats saved some hassle. Rob S -- R D Saunders Hydraulic Research Group Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering University of Southampton UK
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Paul Smith wrote: On 4/18/05, Michael Scottaline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PS>When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx PS>twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other PS>one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a PS>bug? Hmm! That does not seem to be the case on my linux lyx 1.3.4 where the procedure I follow relatively routinely is as follows: 1. Go to the first text document and highlight the text to be copied by highlighting and ctrl C. 2. Click outside the highlighted text to get rid of the highlight. This for some reason is fairly important. 3,.Go to the other lyx document, opened by a separate lyx command. 4. Push the middle mouse button where you want to place the copied text. I have just done this again to ensure that it does work.Maybe it does not work on all configurations. I can confirm this method works without a problem on my Windows XP ported version of LyX 1.3.5. Rob S -- R D Saunders Hydraulic Research Group Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering University of Southampton UK
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Paul Smith wrote: > When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx > twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other > one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a > bug? If you are running KDE, try to run klipper -- it may help. Matěj -- Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it. -- Mark Twain
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Paul Smith wrote: (snip) > In spite of being few, LyX staff deserves a high commendation for > having greatly simplified, in an intelligent way, the task of battling > with LaTeX when writing our documents. Right: this is really why I switched to LyX from Word. You compare the documents generated by each, and the LyX one just /looks/ better, because of the LaTeX stuff behind it, yet it was easy to generate without me having to spend many hours learning about LaTeX. That is, I think that somehow LaTeX is better at typesetting, formatting, etc., although I can't put my finger on what the difference is. -- Mark
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Paul Smith wrote: > When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx > twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other > one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a > bug? FALSE! but it is a PITA. Assuming *NIX, and X, open xclipboard, "copy" from one LyX, "paste" into xclipboard. Now do the same from xclipboard to the 2d LyX. Document to document within one LyX session (window) works without a hitch and *almost* never looses formatting information.
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Charles de Miramon schrieb: > Yes it is normal, cut&paste is very primitive in LyX. Also, you cannot cut a > piece a LyX text with ctrl-C and paste it in another application like your > mailer with ctrl-V. I'm doing this with the help of klipper (in KDE). > Cut&paste is a sad example of the results of the over-engineered and > under-staffed toolkit independent LyX Sonderweg. Nothing in this world is perfect - not even my friend and LyX ;-) kind regards - bernhard -- http://www.mb-schiekel.de/ GPG-Key available: GnuPG-1.4.0
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Paul Smith wrote: On 4/18/05, Michael Scottaline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PS>When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx PS>twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other PS>one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a PS>bug? Yes it is normal, cut&paste is very primitive in LyX. Also, you cannot cut a piece a LyX text with ctrl-C and paste it in another application like your mailer with ctrl-V. Cut&paste is a sad example of the results of the over-engineered and under-staffed toolkit independent LyX Sonderweg. Well, I'm running on my hobby horse here ;-) Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org Hmm! That does not seem to be the case on my linux lyx 1.3.4 where the procedure I follow relatively routinely is as follows: 1. Go to the first text document and highlight the text to be copied by highlighting and ctrl C. 2. Click outside the highlighted text to get rid of the highlight. This for some reason is fairly important. 3,.Go to the other lyx document, opened by a separate lyx command. 4. Push the middle mouse button where you want to place the copied text. I have just done this again to ensure that it does work.Maybe it does not work on all configurations. samar
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Charles de Miramon wrote: > Cut&paste is a sad example of the results of the over-engineered and > under-staffed toolkit independent LyX Sonderweg. Well, I'm running on my > hobby horse here ;-) I guess we just need to look at a kde app to see how they stuff the clipboard. Of course, help from a kde-france.org expert would be greatly appreciated. If you're willing to take up the challenge, come and join us on the lyx-devel list. -- Angus
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On 4/18/05, Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cut&paste is a sad example of the results of the over-engineered and > under-staffed toolkit independent LyX Sonderweg. In spite of being few, LyX staff deserves a high commendation for having greatly simplified, in an intelligent way, the task of battling with LaTeX when writing our documents. Paul
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Paul Smith wrote: > On 4/18/05, Michael Scottaline > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> PS>When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx >> PS>twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other >> PS>one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a >> PS>bug? Yes it is normal, cut&paste is very primitive in LyX. Also, you cannot cut a piece a LyX text with ctrl-C and paste it in another application like your mailer with ctrl-V. Cut&paste is a sad example of the results of the over-engineered and under-staffed toolkit independent LyX Sonderweg. Well, I'm running on my hobby horse here ;-) Cheers, Charles -- http://www.kde-france.org
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
> "Paul" == Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul> Dear All When two LyX windows are open (after having run the Paul> command lyx twice), copying from a document in a window to a Paul> document in the other one is not possible. Is this behavior Paul> expected as normal? Or is this a bug? It is unfortunately normal. It is not possible to copy/paste between two LyX instances. Nor is it possible to open two windows in one LyX instance. JMarc
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
Hi I have less success with ctrl C ctrl V and more success with Ctrl C followed by pushing the middle button in the other lyx document instead of Ctrl V. Cant hurt to give it a try rgds samar - Original Message - From: "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: Should this behavior be expected? Dear All When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a bug? (I am running LyX 1.3.5 on a Mandrake 10.1 machine.) Thanks in advance, Paul
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On 4/18/05, Michael Scottaline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS>When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx > PS>twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other > PS>one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a > PS>bug? > > Not certain, but why are you trying to run two instances of LyX? To view the two documents side by side, Michael. Paul
Re: Should this behavior be expected?
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:34:37 +0100 Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> insightfully noted: PS>Dear All PS> PS>When two LyX windows are open (after having run the command lyx PS>twice), copying from a document in a window to a document in the other PS>one is not possible. Is this behavior expected as normal? Or is this a PS>bug? Not certain, but why are you trying to run two instances of LyX? You can open several documents within the same instance of LyX. Then the copy and paste should not be a problem. Mike -- "The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life" --Muhammad Ali
