Re: What version of XForms should we use?
Lars Gullik Bj nnes wrote: > Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Hello, > | > | [Please let me know if this should have gone to lyx-devel instead.] > > LyX devel would probably have been better... Next tiem I'll know better. > Some developers are using 0.88 all the time and some are using 0.89 > (like me). > > I do not think that there are bugs in 0.89 that is not also present in > .88, but I might be mistaken. > > It is really up to Debian what you choose, however personally I would use > 0.89. Okay. 0.89 is better for all the arches we build for. But let's hope for a quick open-source XForms and then we'll all use that. Thanks, Peter
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
Jose Abilio Oliveira Matos wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:20:04PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > > Baruch Even wrote: > > > > > * Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010717 18:47]: > > > > > > > Great. Since you are a lyx developper, I think we can safely > > > > that your advice and continue to build using 0.89. > > > > > > I am one of the developers but this is my impression and the fact that I > > > do not know of any report of problem with 0.89, but I guess any other > > > developer will also say the same. > > > > Nobody has objected so far! :-) > > The problem with xforms 0.89 AFAIR is that there isn't a 0.89 release it > can be 0.89.1 or 0.89.5 but you don't see that in the package... > > They call it the same, not matter the small number, but then maybe I am > wrong... :-) It's a complaint I've had too, compounded by the fact that very few arches have the latest version available. The forms.h file has the minor version number in it (except in Debian GNU/Linux packages, in which I messed that up for non-i386 packages). As Jean-Marc said, T.C. announced in the XForms mailing list that it would go open source soon. I hope he doesn't let real life get in the way before actually doing it. He has promised this before, but never quite so publicly that I can recall. All the rejoycing in the XForms list helps to maintain the pressure and visibility. :-) Whan that happens, we'll all be using the same version finally. Peter
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
> "Jose" == Jose Abilio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jose> The problem with xforms 0.89 AFAIR is that there isn't a 0.89 Jose> release it can be 0.89.1 or 0.89.5 but you don't see that in the Jose> package... Yes, but the ever hqndy configure script just tells you that :) Jose> They call it the same, not matter the small number, but then Jose> maybe I am wrong... :-) Anyway, after some `pressure', TC Zhao has announced that he will release xforms as open source at the end of the month, which is very good news (although I'll believe it when I see it). JMarc
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 03:20:04PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > Baruch Even wrote: > > > * Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010717 18:47]: > > > > > Great. Since you are a lyx developper, I think we can safely > > > that your advice and continue to build using 0.89. > > > > I am one of the developers but this is my impression and the fact that I > > do not know of any report of problem with 0.89, but I guess any other > > developer will also say the same. > > Nobody has objected so far! :-) The problem with xforms 0.89 AFAIR is that there isn't a 0.89 release it can be 0.89.1 or 0.89.5 but you don't see that in the package... They call it the same, not matter the small number, but then maybe I am wrong... :-) > Peter -- José
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
Baruch Even wrote: > * Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010717 18:47]: > > > Great. Since you are a lyx developper, I think we can safely > > that your advice and continue to build using 0.89. > > I am one of the developers but this is my impression and the fact that I > do not know of any report of problem with 0.89, but I guess any other > developer will also say the same. Nobody has objected so far! :-) > > I'd very appreciate it if you could edit the README and INSTALL > > files in CVS so this is made clearer. (It would be nicer still > > if a few words were found on the Lyx web site, but that may be > > beyond your control. Should I file a wislist bug at SF?) > > File one anyway so it will be kept there in case it falls to the > wayside. John is our BTS supervisor, he is the one who keeps us in sync > with the BTS and reminds us to do our tasks. Done. SF bug #442124. Thanks! Peter
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
* Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010717 18:47]: > > Baruch Even wrote: > > > I believe there was a conclusion to avoid that warning of using LyX with > > XForms 0.89, it is used by users and by the developers and no harm is > > known to happen from using 0.89 > > > > I myself use 0.89 on Debian sid and see no problems with that. > > Great. Since you are a lyx developper, I think we can safely > that your advice and continue to build using 0.89. I am one of the developers but this is my impression and the fact that I do not know of any report of problem with 0.89, but I guess any other developer will also say the same. > > Anything that says otherwise in the docs or in code should probably be > > changed. > > I tracked down the change (dated 2000/04/26) in the README file to > http://www.lyx.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/lyx-devel/README.diff?r1=1.3&r2=1.4 > > The diff is: > > < 2. The Xforms library version 0.81, 0.86 or 0.88. > > 2. The Xforms library version 0.88 (recommended) or 0.89. > > In that context (the change made and the date it was made on), > the comment doesn't really seem that conclusive against 0.89. > Version 0.89 was still changing a bit, so 0.88 was probably safer > at that point? (I'm speculating) I don't think I was on the dev team at the time to comment. > I'd very appreciate it if you could edit the README and INSTALL > files in CVS so this is made clearer. (It would be nicer still > if a few words were found on the Lyx web site, but that may be > beyond your control. Should I file a wislist bug at SF?) File one anyway so it will be kept there in case it falls to the wayside. John is our BTS supervisor, he is the one who keeps us in sync with the BTS and reminds us to do our tasks. > > A bug list is available on sourceforge in the project lyx-bugs, > > basically we use sf as our bug archival system. > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/lyxbugs/ > > Thanks! Good to know. There should be a link from www.lyx.org > too. ;-) John replied to that already, it's yet to be made official. -- Baruch Even http://baruch.ev-en.org/
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:38:20AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > A bug list is available on sourceforge in the project lyx-bugs, > > basically we use sf as our bug archival system. > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/lyxbugs/ > > Thanks! Good to know. There should be a link from www.lyx.org > too. ;-) it isn't official yet, that's why there isn't. I still hold out hope of getting a real bug tracking system installed for lyx rather than that sourceforge abomination of a system ... regards john -- "Voodoo Programming: Things programmers do that they know shouldn't work but they try anyway, and which sometimes actually work, such as recompiling everything." - Karl Lehenbauer
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
Baruch Even wrote: > I believe there was a conclusion to avoid that warning of using LyX with > XForms 0.89, it is used by users and by the developers and no harm is > known to happen from using 0.89 > > I myself use 0.89 on Debian sid and see no problems with that. Great. Since you are a lyx developper, I think we can safely that your advice and continue to build using 0.89. > Anything that says otherwise in the docs or in code should probably be > changed. I tracked down the change (dated 2000/04/26) in the README file to http://www.lyx.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/lyx-devel/README.diff?r1=1.3&r2=1.4 The diff is: < 2. The Xforms library version 0.81, 0.86 or 0.88. > 2. The Xforms library version 0.88 (recommended) or 0.89. In that context (the change made and the date it was made on), the comment doesn't really seem that conclusive against 0.89. Version 0.89 was still changing a bit, so 0.88 was probably safer at that point? (I'm speculating) I'd very appreciate it if you could edit the README and INSTALL files in CVS so this is made clearer. (It would be nicer still if a few words were found on the Lyx web site, but that may be beyond your control. Should I file a wislist bug at SF?) > A bug list is available on sourceforge in the project lyx-bugs, > basically we use sf as our bug archival system. http://sourceforge.net/projects/lyxbugs/ Thanks! Good to know. There should be a link from www.lyx.org too. ;-) Peter
Re: What version of XForms should we use?
I believe there was a conclusion to avoid that warning of using LyX with XForms 0.89, it is used by users and by the developers and no harm is known to happen from using 0.89 I myself use 0.89 on Debian sid and see no problems with that. Anything that says otherwise in the docs or in code should probably be changed. A bug list is available on sourceforge in the project lyx-bugs, basically we use sf as our bug archival system. * Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010717 17:19]: > Hello, > > [Please let me know if this should have gone to lyx-devel instead.] > > There's some discussion on a Debian mailing list (debian-french) > whether the Lyx package should be built against XForms 0.88 or > 0.89. See also http://bugs.debian.org/105486 > > I couldn't find anything obvious on the lyx web page, but found > this in lyx-1.1.6fix2.tar.gz's README file: > > : What do I need to compile LyX from the source distribution? > : > : 2. The Xforms library version 0.88 (recommended) or 0.89. > : > : Read the file "INSTALL" for more information on compiling. > > The INSTALL file says: > > : As of LyX version 1.1.5, you will need to have Xforms library and header > : version 0.88 or 0.89. Version 0.88 is a stable release and the > : recommended version. > > Now, libforms0.89 might be the development version, but 0.88 is > _quite_ old (29-05-1999 pour i386, 12-05-1999 for m68k), is > receiving _no_ bug fixes, and has only glibc2.0 releases for sparc > and m68k. > > I'm pretty sure 0.89 was recommended for Lyx about 18 months ago. > Did the Lyx source code change to fit 0.88 better since then? > > What should Debian do? (also considering the lack of XForms 0.88 > for certain arches) Are there known problems using 0.89? > (Sorry, I couldn't find a bug list on the lyx web site) > > Thanks very much, > > Peter Galbraith, the Debian package maintainer for XForms. -- Baruch Even http://baruch.ev-en.org/
What version of XForms should we use?
Hello, [Please let me know if this should have gone to lyx-devel instead.] There's some discussion on a Debian mailing list (debian-french) whether the Lyx package should be built against XForms 0.88 or 0.89. See also http://bugs.debian.org/105486 I couldn't find anything obvious on the lyx web page, but found this in lyx-1.1.6fix2.tar.gz's README file: : What do I need to compile LyX from the source distribution? : : 2. The Xforms library version 0.88 (recommended) or 0.89. : : Read the file "INSTALL" for more information on compiling. The INSTALL file says: : As of LyX version 1.1.5, you will need to have Xforms library and header : version 0.88 or 0.89. Version 0.88 is a stable release and the : recommended version. Now, libforms0.89 might be the development version, but 0.88 is _quite_ old (29-05-1999 pour i386, 12-05-1999 for m68k), is receiving _no_ bug fixes, and has only glibc2.0 releases for sparc and m68k. I'm pretty sure 0.89 was recommended for Lyx about 18 months ago. Did the Lyx source code change to fit 0.88 better since then? What should Debian do? (also considering the lack of XForms 0.88 for certain arches) Are there known problems using 0.89? (Sorry, I couldn't find a bug list on the lyx web site) Thanks very much, Peter Galbraith, the Debian package maintainer for XForms.
