Re: Questions about an Idea for a feature in LyX

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 5/2/24 18:28, matan guedj wrote:

Hello,
I don't really know how the mail listing works, new to the concept.
I've had a few questions revolving around an idea recently trying to 
teach myself pgfplots.
I'm fairly new to LyX and LaTeX in general (started using both in 
January) and I'm also no programmer but I wanted to add a new feature 
to LyX of a plotting tool.
What I'm thinking of is on the math bar or some other bar, add a plot 
icon that will open a window with all the parameters for the mostly 
used plots (2D/3D, Cartesian/polar/spherical..., scatter/bars/pie..., 
parametric curves or surfaces, implicit functions, vector fields, and 
more).
I'm still learning pgfplots but it follows a fairly simple and well 
defined formula for most of the plots so it most likely can be automated.

And now it opens some questions:

1. Is there a way I can start work on it as a personal project (I 
specifically want it to be a personal thing, to see if I'm capable of 
this, and also it can't look bad on the resume), and when I believe 
it's done and an acceptable feature, present it to the developers and 
implement it for the next version?


Yes, this is an open source project, so anyone can work on it. Whether 
something gets accepted into the codebase is a different question, but 
this seems like something that could be useful to a lot of people. Doing 
what you describe will take some real programming, though we'll all be 
happy to point you in the right direction. That kind of discussion is 
better on lyx-devel, though.


I should probably warn you that, with 2.4.0 about to be released, it 
will be a while before the next major release. The sort of thing you 
describe would mean storing new info in the LyX file, which changes the 
format of the file. That can only be done at major releases, so this 
would have to be for 2.5.0.


That said, LyX already has an extensible ability to include 'external 
material'. If you look at Insert> File> External Material, you'll see 
all kinds of options there. It would not be difficult to add a pgfplot 
option, I think. This would not provide for the dialog you describe, but 
it would be a start. See Ch 7 of the Embedded Objects help file for how 
this can be done.


I can at least imagine a way of indicating in the external template an 
extra 'page' in the settings dialog that would allow for choosing of 
options, etc, like you describe. So it might not be necessary to write a 
completely new dialog, etc.


2. I also thought that the output on the LyX document itself would be 
a new environment (like the math environment) that can render those 
plots directly into LyX document without the need to compile the 
document to check if the plot is what you really wanted, so how do I 
create such an environment?


LyX already has the ability to display all kinds of things, so I don't 
think that would be difficult. Basically, LyX just needs to be told how 
to convert the file into some graphics format it can display. This can 
be done with 'external material' already.


Riki


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Questions about an Idea for a feature in LyX

[matan guedj]

Hello,
I don't really know how the mail listing works, new to the concept.
I've had a few questions revolving around an idea recently trying to teach
myself pgfplots.
I'm fairly new to LyX and LaTeX in general (started using both in January)
and I'm also no programmer but I wanted to add a new feature to LyX of a
plotting tool.
What I'm thinking of is on the math bar or some other bar, add a plot icon
that will open a window with all the parameters for the mostly used plots
(2D/3D, Cartesian/polar/spherical..., scatter/bars/pie..., parametric
curves or surfaces, implicit functions, vector fields, and more).
I'm still learning pgfplots but it follows a fairly simple and well defined
formula for most of the plots so it most likely can be automated.
And now it opens some questions:

1. Is there a way I can start work on it as a personal project (I
specifically want it to be a personal thing, to see if I'm capable of this,
and also it can't look bad on the resume), and when I believe it's done and
an acceptable feature, present it to the developers and implement it for
the next version?

2. I also thought that the output on the LyX document itself would be a new
environment (like the math environment) that can render those plots
directly into LyX document without the need to compile the document to
check if the plot is what you really wanted, so how do I create such an
environment?

P.s. I'm probably coming of as an over enthusiastic guy with a goal beyond
it's current reach but I want to see to it, with no deadlines and anything
just the joy of creating a good feature.

Thanks in advance for the help!
I hope this finds the right people haha
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Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Manveru  wrote:

> 2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug :
> > Hi
> >
> > I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline
> window
> > detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
> > pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
> > outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
> > okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
> > graph in the outline?
> > Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which
> specify
> > the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?
> >
> > This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have
> to
> > display the page.
> >
> > Any comments?
>
> It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
> how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
> displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
> text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
> worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
> back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
> that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
> between both, which would be hard to achieve.
>

Well - there is backward search (Navigation - forward search), with which
it should be possible to jump to the location in the preview at which I am
in LyX (this commands need to specified for different viewers). So, if
after every navigation via the outline window a "forward-search" would be
done, LyX and the preview would be in sync (for certain viewers).

So I do not think this should be to difficult to implement (from the
perspective of a non-lyx-developer...)

I am not talking about from preview to LyX, because this would have to be
implemented in the viewer (which it is via backward search and synctex).

I am imaging a navigation from outline view to LyX and preview.


> Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
> two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
> background.
>

This would definitely be possible, but would have to be linked to e.g.
autosave, to not use to many resources.

Cheers,

Rainer

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Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Manveru]

2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug :
> Hi
>
> I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
> detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
> pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
> outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
> okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
> graph in the outline?
> Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
> the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?
>
> This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
> display the page.
>
> Any comments?

It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
between both, which would be hard to achieve.

Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
background.


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Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

Hi

I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
graph in the outline?
Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?

This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
display the page.

Any comments?

Cheers,

Rainer

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UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
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Re: An idea

[Uwe Stöhr]

> As a mathematician, I tend to come across many equations and more often than
> not, I have to refer and cross refer between equations. Now, from my 
experience
> with lyx, I am not able to reference an equation save for a section or a page.
> Now this to me needs correction and if you could look into this matter, it
> would help many potential lyx users out there.

What exactly is the problem. Referencing formulas is well explained in the LyX Userguide and in the 
special Math manual that you find in LyX's Help menu.


regards Uwe

p.s. For questions like this, it is better to post to the lyx-users list.

Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar (+idea about View/Update buttons)

[Christian Ridderström]

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote:


Since I am (...was) not subscribed I did not receive the responses.

Question: should all ideas/wishes be posted at the dev's list?


I think that's preferable.. for instance, others on this list don't have 
to see the threads. In addition, you probably get more attention from the 
developers (not all follow the users' list, although perhaps we should...)


Having said that, your input is greatly appreciated, so better here than 
not at all!


Best regards,
/Christian

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Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar (+idea about View/Update buttons)

[Guenter Milde]

Nikos Alexandris  schrieb:
> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 08:58 +0200, Manveru wrote:
>> 2008/10/1 Nikos Alexandris:

>> > I was wondering if the View/Update buttons could be "shrinked" 
...
>> > first action is to "View" and if the [pdf] document is open then
>> > second (re-)action should be "Update),
...

>> I do not see clear mechanism for checking whether document generated
>> is opened (window were not closed) or not. Certainly there could be an
>> option to retrigger "View" action with shift key for example... but I
>> think this would not be obvious for beginners.

> My idea was based on the fact that the Update function exists. I mean,
> if update is executed it does look for a specific created/open pdf
> document? Doesn't it? 

"Update" creates a new version of the output file in a temporary
directory (overwriting an earlier version if this exists).
  May viewers will automatically update the view of the file, others
might require user interaction to redraw or re-read.

"View" does additionally call a format specific viewer (customizable
under Tools>Settings>...>Formats )

> So why not put a "check" in the View function and if the document is
> already open then update-it, if not create it :-)

The way to go would (IMO) be a script that checks if the given file is
already open in a viewer and either

* call the viewer with the file, or
* force the viewer to re-read the file

Setting this script as "view" commando for the "format", will enable a
view/update functionality with the existing "view"
function/button/keybinding.

Günter

Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar (+idea about View/Update buttons)

[Nikos Alexandris]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 08:58 +0200, Manveru wrote:
> 2008/10/1 Nikos Alexandris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > I was wondering if the View/Update buttons could be "shrinked" to 3 buttons:
> > one button for dvi (first action is to "View" and if the pdf document is 
> > open
> > then second (re-)action should be "Update), one for pdflatex and one for
> > PostScript. This could save some space.
> 
> I do not see clear mechanism for checking whether document generated
> is opened (window were not closed) or not. Certainly there could be an
> option to retrigger "View" action with shift key for example... but I
> think this would not be obvious for beginners.
> 

My idea was based on the fact that the Update function exists. I mean,
if update is executed it does look for a specific created/open pdf
document? Doesn't it? So why not put a "check" in the View function and
if the document is already open then update-it, if not create it :-)

Excuse me for simplifying so much things due to my limited programing
experience.
Nikos

Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar (+idea about View/Update buttons)

[Manveru]

2008/10/1 Nikos Alexandris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I was wondering if the View/Update buttons could be "shrinked" to 3 buttons:
> one button for dvi (first action is to "View" and if the pdf document is open
> then second (re-)action should be "Update), one for pdflatex and one for
> PostScript. This could save some space.

I do not see clear mechanism for checking whether document generated
is opened (window were not closed) or not. Certainly there could be an
option to retrigger "View" action with shift key for example... but I
think this would not be obvious for beginners.

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Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar (+idea about View/Update buttons)

[Nikos Alexandris]

Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> 
> > Christian Ridderström wrote:
> >> PS. Maybe the ability to see a log/history of the most recent commands
> >> could be useful. Do we have that possibility?
> >
> > you mean lyx -dbg action ?
> 
> I was thinking of a more easily accessible method for normal users. Maybe 
> there could be a little 'history' button on the status field?  Or maybe 
> right-clicking on the status field could allow you to see a history of 
> what you've done.
> 
> Just throwing out ideas here.
> /Christian
> 


Hi Chris and all!

Since I am (...was) not subscribed I did not receive the responses.

Question: should all ideas/wishes be posted at the dev's list?

I was wondering if the View/Update buttons could be "shrinked" to 3 buttons: 
one button for dvi (first action is to "View" and if the pdf document is open 
then second (re-)action should be "Update), one for pdflatex and one for 
PostScript. This could save some space.

Cheers,
Nikos

Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar

[Christian Ridderström]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Christian Ridderström wrote:

PS. Maybe the ability to see a log/history of the most recent commands
could be useful. Do we have that possibility?


you mean lyx -dbg action ?


I was thinking of a more easily accessible method for normal users. Maybe 
there could be a little 'history' button on the status field?  Or maybe 
right-clicking on the status field could allow you to see a history of 
what you've done.


Just throwing out ideas here.
/Christian

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Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar

[Pavel Sanda]

Christian Ridderström wrote:
> PS. Maybe the ability to see a log/history of the most recent commands 
> could be useful. Do we have that possibility?

you mean lyx -dbg action ?
pavel

Re: An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar

[Christian Ridderström]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote:


What about improving the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar?
Increase space between key-bindings and interchange the background
colour for each key-binding (light background - darker background -
light background - darker background - ... ).

I retouched a screenshot of the current appearance (attached pictures
from the "original" & the retouched version). Its not my best
photo-editing attempt (there is also a huge empty space in the retouched
picture -- couldn't invest more time on it) but I think it's clear
enough of what I am thinking. Hopefully you like it and it's easy to
implement.


Hi Nikos,

I think you have good ideas, and developers seem to notice them, but even 
so I'm forwarding it to the developers' list. (lyx-devel AT lists.lyx.org )


regards,
Christian

PS. Maybe the ability to see a log/history of the most recent commands 
could be useful. Do we have that possibility?


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An idea about the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar

[Nikos Alexandris]

What about improving the appearance of key-bindings in the statusbar?
Increase space between key-bindings and interchange the background
colour for each key-binding (light background - darker background -
light background - darker background - ... ).

I retouched a screenshot of the current appearance (attached pictures
from the "original" & the retouched version). Its not my best
photo-editing attempt (there is also a huge empty space in the retouched
picture -- couldn't invest more time on it) but I think it's clear
enough of what I am thinking. Hopefully you like it and it's easy to
implement.

Kind regards, Nikos
<><>

Re: translation templete for lyx - an idea?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Martin A. Hansen wrote:


yes - i am wondering if it could be done in a .lyx file.

elaboration - > hiding code ala (from the uwe-installer - or is that uwe's
win-installer? :o) :

LangString MissProgHeader "${LYX_LANG}" "Tjek for nødvendige programmer"


Note that translating of the Win-installer is completely different from 
translating LyX's menus and messages. The installer is written in a 
special scripting language (named NSIS).


regards Uwe

Re: translation templete for lyx - an idea?

[Martin A. Hansen]

yes - i am wondering if it could be done in a .lyx file.

elaboration - > hiding code ala (from the uwe-installer - or is that uwe's
win-installer? :o) :

LangString MissProgHeader "${LYX_LANG}" "Tjek for nødvendige programmer"
LangString MissProgCap "${LYX_LANG}" "Følgende nødvendige program(mer) vil
også blive installeret"
LangString MissProgLatex "${LYX_LANG}" "MiKTeX, en LaTeX distribution"
LangString MissProgGhostscript "${LYX_LANG}" "Ghostscript, en PostScript og
PDF oversætter"
LangString MissProgImageMagick "${LYX_LANG}" "ImageMagick, en
billed-konverter"

only showing the strings that needs translation.


martin


On 31/01/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote:
>
> > hello
>
> Hi Martin
>
> I'm cross-posting this to the development list.
>
> > would it be possible and worthwhile to make a lyx template for the
> > translation of the lyx text strings?
>
> Hmm.. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Are you suggesting that
> the translations lyx text strings should be done from within a .lyx-file?
>
> > it would be nice to have the original english version shown, perhaps
> > with further explanation of context and screenshots, and then have any
> > code removed from sight so one can concentrate on the translation.
>
> I can see the advantage of seeing the context and have screenshots. But..
> I also imagine it'd take a bit of work to maintain screenshots etc?
>
> And I don't follow you with the part about 'code removed'?
>
> /Christian
>
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>
>
>

Re: translation templete for lyx - an idea?

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote:

> hello

Hi Martin

I'm cross-posting this to the development list.

> would it be possible and worthwhile to make a lyx template for the
> translation of the lyx text strings?

Hmm.. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Are you suggesting that 
the translations lyx text strings should be done from within a .lyx-file?

> it would be nice to have the original english version shown, perhaps
> with further explanation of context and screenshots, and then have any
> code removed from sight so one can concentrate on the translation.

I can see the advantage of seeing the context and have screenshots. But.. 
I also imagine it'd take a bit of work to maintain screenshots etc?

And I don't follow you with the part about 'code removed'?

/Christian

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translation templete for lyx - an idea?

[Martin A. Hansen]

hello


would it be possible and worthwhile to make a lyx template for the
translation of the lyx text strings?

it would be nice to have the original english version shown, perhaps with
further explanation of context and screenshots, and then have any code
removed from sight so one can concentrate on the translation.



martin

Re: Just an idea - would like to hear your opinion

[Nusret BALCI]

So, it's doing basically what I think :)? Anyways,
something that doesn't talk to me may very well be
useful for others.

But this brings to mind something else: as far as I
remember from previous emails in this list, it's
possible to interface lyx with several external
programs. (Someone asked about octave or mathematica,
or something similar). For example, is there a
complete enough interface with "gnuplot" (which I find
useful, whereas others may disagree :)) out there?

Regards,

Nusret

--- Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Nusret BALCI wrote:
> 
> > I've seen the flash demo on their website: what's
> kdissert about? Is it
> > just to draw charts like that? Probably it has
> other uses, right? Thanks.
> 
> Nusret,
> 
>"Mind mapping" is a tool for people who were
> never taught to organize their
> thoughts and ideas in an outline. A few years ago I
> thought it was something
> special and useful. Then I discovered that I had
> been doing all this -- under
> a different name, of course -- for decades. :-)
> 
>If someone wants to make a link between that tool
> and LyX, it's OK with me
> as long as it's an optional add on during the
> ./configure step. I don't want
> it cluttering up a highly productive tool.
> 
> Rich
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Re: Just an idea - would like to hear your opinion

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Nusret BALCI wrote:


I've seen the flash demo on their website: what's kdissert about? Is it
just to draw charts like that? Probably it has other uses, right? Thanks.


Nusret,

  "Mind mapping" is a tool for people who were never taught to organize their
thoughts and ideas in an outline. A few years ago I thought it was something
special and useful. Then I discovered that I had been doing all this -- under
a different name, of course -- for decades. :-)

  If someone wants to make a link between that tool and LyX, it's OK with me
as long as it's an optional add on during the ./configure step. I don't want
it cluttering up a highly productive tool.

Rich

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Re: Just an idea - would like to hear your opinion

[Nusret BALCI]

Hi,
I've seen the flash demo on their website: what's
kdissert about? Is it just to draw charts like that?
Probably it has other uses, right?
Thanks.

Nusret

--- "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just got an idea. I often using lyx - but I also
> like mindmapping. For 
> mindmapping I am using kdissert. But it right now it
> is only a stony one way 
> direction:
> 
>   kdissert -> latex -> Lyx and adding the rest
> 
> I would like to hear, what you are thinking about a
> combination of kdissert 
> (mindmapping) and lyx (semantic writing)?
> 
> Lyx as a plugin in kdissert or the other way round?
> 
> What would be needed in your eyes?
> 
> Would are you thinking about «roundtrip writing» in
> the style of roudtring 
> engineering?
> 
> Ciao, Henning 
> 




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Just an idea - would like to hear your opinion

[.]

Hi,

I just got an idea. I often using lyx - but I also like mindmapping. For 
mindmapping I am using kdissert. But it right now it is only a stony one way 
direction:

kdissert -> latex -> Lyx and adding the rest

I would like to hear, what you are thinking about a combination of kdissert 
(mindmapping) and lyx (semantic writing)?

Lyx as a plugin in kdissert or the other way round?

What would be needed in your eyes?

Would are you thinking about «roundtrip writing» in the style of roudtring 
engineering?

Ciao, Henning 

an idea ...

[Tomasz Koziara]

Hi,

Im in the course of editing plenty of mathematical formulas at the
moment...
The idea is to make mathematical panel not to affect the focus of
keyboard
input as far as possible. This is really annolying to go back to the
formula
manually every time the panel is used. "Use shortcuts" someone will say
- ok,
but why not to gain the funcionality of the panel as well ?

Regards,
tom