Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 16:05, Sven Schreiber wrote:
Jose' Matos wrote:
Do you have a small example where this happens?
It should be easy to fix.
I cannot reproduce the infinite hanging yet with a small example, but
I can reproduce an abort with error, so I'll leave the hang for later --
please note again, this is *not* win-specific, I also tried importing it
on linux. Consider this latex doc:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{p{1.75cm}|c|p{0.75cm}|p{2cm}|p{3cm}|p{1.5cm}|p{1.5cm}}
eigenvalue \\ \hline
\multicolumn{6}{l}{log} \\ \hline
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
This compiles without errors in latex.
I run relyx on it, that reports finished successfully! and I get the
following lyx document (I've tried not to change line spacing etc.):
Running it over tex2lyx I get a different file, and this is a valid lyx
file, as well what you intended. :-)
...
Then I run lyx2lyx on it, and it reports Malformed lyx file and aborts
without output.
Is it multicolumn alone or do the column widths have anything to do?
I am not sure, it should declare 14 cells, yet shows 26 (!?), so this is a
bug from reLyX.
cheers, sven
Until know all lyx2lyx bugs have been solved quickly, and I intend to
maintain this record. What can be done in another stage is to recover
gracefully from malformed lyx files, but that is clearly another issue. :-)
--
José Abílio
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 16:05, Sven Schreiber wrote:
Jose' Matos wrote:
Do you have a small example where this happens?
It should be easy to fix.
I cannot reproduce the infinite hanging yet with a small example, but
I can reproduce an abort with error, so I'll leave the hang for later --
please note again, this is *not* win-specific, I also tried importing it
on linux. Consider this latex doc:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{p{1.75cm}|c|p{0.75cm}|p{2cm}|p{3cm}|p{1.5cm}|p{1.5cm}}
eigenvalue \\ \hline
\multicolumn{6}{l}{log} \\ \hline
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
This compiles without errors in latex.
I run relyx on it, that reports finished successfully! and I get the
following lyx document (I've tried not to change line spacing etc.):
Running it over tex2lyx I get a different file, and this is a valid lyx
file, as well what you intended. :-)
...
Then I run lyx2lyx on it, and it reports Malformed lyx file and aborts
without output.
Is it multicolumn alone or do the column widths have anything to do?
I am not sure, it should declare 14 cells, yet shows 26 (!?), so this is a
bug from reLyX.
cheers, sven
Until know all lyx2lyx bugs have been solved quickly, and I intend to
maintain this record. What can be done in another stage is to recover
gracefully from malformed lyx files, but that is clearly another issue. :-)
--
José Abílio
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 16:05, Sven Schreiber wrote:
> Jose' Matos wrote:
> > Do you have a small example where this happens?
> >
> > It should be easy to fix.
>
> I cannot reproduce the infinite "hanging" yet with a small example, but
> I can reproduce an abort with error, so I'll leave the hang for later --
> please note again, this is *not* win-specific, I also tried importing it
> on linux. Consider this latex doc:
>
> \documentclass{article}
> \begin{document}
> \begin{tabular}{p{1.75cm}|c|p{0.75cm}|p{2cm}|p{3cm}|p{1.5cm}|p{1.5cm}}
> & & & eigenvalue & & & \\ \hline
> \multicolumn{6}{l}{log} \\ \hline
> \end{tabular}
> \end{document}
>
> This compiles without errors in latex.
>
> I run relyx on it, that reports "finished successfully!" and I get the
> following lyx document (I've tried not to change line spacing etc.):
Running it over tex2lyx I get a different file, and this is a valid lyx
file, as well what you intended. :-)
...
> Then I run lyx2lyx on it, and it reports "Malformed lyx file" and aborts
> without output.
>
> Is it multicolumn alone or do the column widths have anything to do?
I am not sure, it should declare 14 cells, yet shows 26 (!?), so this is a
bug from reLyX.
> cheers, sven
Until know all lyx2lyx bugs have been solved quickly, and I intend to
maintain this record. What can be done in another stage is to recover
gracefully from malformed lyx files, but that is clearly another issue. :-)
--
José Abílio
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On 25.01.05, Sven Schreiber wrote: Ok, I take that as meaning that relyx tabular (or similar) is really a hopeless case. Then I redirect my suggestion to tex2lyx: maybe it's a good idea to collect in some public place hints and experience from users with respect to what works and what doesn't. And this time right from the start of this new tool tex2lyx. IMHO, the lyx wiki would be the right place for such user-provided hints. Maybe we could start a section for tex2lyx (or even for relyx, as long as we have to live with it) e.g. in http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/Tips/Tips Günter -- G.Milde web.de
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
Jose' Matos wrote:
Do you have a small example where this happens?
It should be easy to fix.
I cannot reproduce the infinite hanging yet with a small example, but
I can reproduce an abort with error, so I'll leave the hang for later --
please note again, this is *not* win-specific, I also tried importing it
on linux. Consider this latex doc:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{p{1.75cm}|c|p{0.75cm}|p{2cm}|p{3cm}|p{1.5cm}|p{1.5cm}}
eigenvalue \\ \hline
\multicolumn{6}{l}{log} \\ \hline
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
This compiles without errors in latex.
I run relyx on it, that reports finished successfully! and I get the
following lyx document (I've tried not to change line spacing etc.):
snip
# The reLyX bundled with LyX 1.3 created this file.
# For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 2.15
\textclass article
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\layout Standard
\LyXTable
multicol5
2 7 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 1 0 0
8 0 1 1.75cm
8 0 1
8 0 1 0.75cm
8 0 1 2cm
8 0 1 3cm
8 0 1 1.5cm
8 0 0 1.5cm
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
1 2 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
\newline
\newline
\newline
eigenvalue
\newline
\newline
\newline
\newline
log
\the_end
/snip
along with this .relyx1 file, if it matters at all:
snip
\documentclass{article}
/snip
Then I run lyx2lyx on it, and it reports Malformed lyx file and aborts
without output.
Is it multicolumn alone or do the column widths have anything to do?
cheers, sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
G. Milde wrote: IMHO, the lyx wiki would be the right place for such user-provided hints. Maybe we could start a section for tex2lyx (or even for relyx, as long as we have to live with it) e.g. in http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/Tips/Tips Günter That's a great idea. Looking at the wiki, maybe use the latex page (which seems natural and is pretty empty) instead of tips? -sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On 25.01.05, Sven Schreiber wrote: Ok, I take that as meaning that relyx tabular (or similar) is really a hopeless case. Then I redirect my suggestion to tex2lyx: maybe it's a good idea to collect in some public place hints and experience from users with respect to what works and what doesn't. And this time right from the start of this new tool tex2lyx. IMHO, the lyx wiki would be the right place for such user-provided hints. Maybe we could start a section for tex2lyx (or even for relyx, as long as we have to live with it) e.g. in http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/Tips/Tips Günter -- G.Milde web.de
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
Jose' Matos wrote:
Do you have a small example where this happens?
It should be easy to fix.
I cannot reproduce the infinite hanging yet with a small example, but
I can reproduce an abort with error, so I'll leave the hang for later --
please note again, this is *not* win-specific, I also tried importing it
on linux. Consider this latex doc:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{p{1.75cm}|c|p{0.75cm}|p{2cm}|p{3cm}|p{1.5cm}|p{1.5cm}}
eigenvalue \\ \hline
\multicolumn{6}{l}{log} \\ \hline
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
This compiles without errors in latex.
I run relyx on it, that reports finished successfully! and I get the
following lyx document (I've tried not to change line spacing etc.):
snip
# The reLyX bundled with LyX 1.3 created this file.
# For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 2.15
\textclass article
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\layout Standard
\LyXTable
multicol5
2 7 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 1 0 0
8 0 1 1.75cm
8 0 1
8 0 1 0.75cm
8 0 1 2cm
8 0 1 3cm
8 0 1 1.5cm
8 0 0 1.5cm
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
1 2 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
2 8 0 1 0 0 0
0 8 0 1 0 0 0
\newline
\newline
\newline
eigenvalue
\newline
\newline
\newline
\newline
log
\the_end
/snip
along with this .relyx1 file, if it matters at all:
snip
\documentclass{article}
/snip
Then I run lyx2lyx on it, and it reports Malformed lyx file and aborts
without output.
Is it multicolumn alone or do the column widths have anything to do?
cheers, sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
G. Milde wrote: IMHO, the lyx wiki would be the right place for such user-provided hints. Maybe we could start a section for tex2lyx (or even for relyx, as long as we have to live with it) e.g. in http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/Tips/Tips Günter That's a great idea. Looking at the wiki, maybe use the latex page (which seems natural and is pretty empty) instead of tips? -sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On 25.01.05, Sven Schreiber wrote: > Ok, I take that as meaning that relyx & tabular (or similar) is really a > hopeless case. Then I redirect my suggestion to tex2lyx: maybe it's a > good idea to collect in some public place hints and experience from > users with respect to what works and what doesn't. And this time right > from the start of this new tool tex2lyx. IMHO, the lyx wiki would be the right place for such user-provided hints. Maybe we could start a section for tex2lyx (or even for relyx, as long as we have to live with it) e.g. in http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/Tips/Tips Günter -- G.Milde web.de
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
Jose' Matos wrote:
Do you have a small example where this happens?
It should be easy to fix.
I cannot reproduce the infinite "hanging" yet with a small example, but
I can reproduce an abort with error, so I'll leave the hang for later --
please note again, this is *not* win-specific, I also tried importing it
on linux. Consider this latex doc:
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{p{1.75cm}|c|p{0.75cm}|p{2cm}|p{3cm}|p{1.5cm}|p{1.5cm}}
& & & eigenvalue & & & \\ \hline
\multicolumn{6}{l}{log} \\ \hline
\end{tabular}
\end{document}
This compiles without errors in latex.
I run relyx on it, that reports "finished successfully!" and I get the
following lyx document (I've tried not to change line spacing etc.):
# The reLyX bundled with LyX 1.3 created this file.
# For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 2.15
\textclass article
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\layout Standard
\LyXTable
multicol5
2 7 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 1 0 0
8 0 1 "1.75cm" ""
8 0 1 "" ""
8 0 1 "0.75cm" ""
8 0 1 "2cm" ""
8 0 1 "3cm" ""
8 0 1 "1.5cm" ""
8 0 0 "1.5cm" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
1 2 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
2 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
2 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
2 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
2 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
2 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
0 8 0 1 0 0 0 "" ""
\newline
\newline
\newline
eigenvalue
\newline
\newline
\newline
\newline
log
\the_end
along with this .relyx1 file, if it matters at all:
\documentclass{article}
Then I run lyx2lyx on it, and it reports "Malformed lyx file" and aborts
without output.
Is it multicolumn alone or do the column widths have anything to do?
cheers, sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
G. Milde wrote: IMHO, the lyx wiki would be the right place for such user-provided hints. Maybe we could start a section for tex2lyx (or even for relyx, as long as we have to live with it) e.g. in http://wiki.lyx.org/pmwiki.php/Tips/Tips Günter That's a great idea. Looking at the wiki, maybe use the latex page (which seems natural and is pretty empty) instead of tips? -sven
follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
(Sorry for breaking the thread, I had just subscribed to the list and didn't confirm quickly enough, so I had to pick up the answers from the archive. But I'm fairly sure I'm on now.) Re Georg: 2. In the meantime it would be nice if the relyx-savvy could provide (permanent links to) more concrete advice on what latex constructs to avoid. (In my particular case retyping the tables in lyx is probably quicker than hand-editing the latex code, but for long-term or search-and-replace batch operations this may be helpful.) Maybe I just missed it? IMHO the needed time would be better spent in improving tex2lyx wrt tables. Ok, I take that as meaning that relyx tabular (or similar) is really a hopeless case. Then I redirect my suggestion to tex2lyx: maybe it's a good idea to collect in some public place hints and experience from users with respect to what works and what doesn't. And this time right from the start of this new tool tex2lyx. Re JMarc: Another guess is that lyx2lyx fails to run. What version of LyX for windows are you using? 1.3.5 has a bug that prevents lyx2lyx from running (it is invoked directly, and windows does not guess that it is a python script, since it does not have a .py extension). Windows users, please correct me if I am wrong. Yes I read about this bug and therefore did it by hand from the cli. Also as I said it happens on linux, too. Forgive me for babbling on a little, I won't do it often: I believe that lyx should really focus on the latex-integration aspect. The wysiwym approach is great, but that together with just exporting to latex is also done by texmacs (although I cannot tell how good it is at that) and in the future apparently also by openoffice (same obvious caveat), not mentioning commercial apps. Imagine: if the OO latex export filter will be good (big if), during the revision process authors can even use the word-doc format (OO handles that pretty well), even for exchange, and in the end have great tex output. So the only (I'm exaggerating...) remaining competitive advantage of lyx would be the direct latex integration. Lyx should build on that by making it easier to use the established latex doc-format for collaboration and exchange. Therefore, imho better latex import is really essential for the future of lyx. Ok, enough already, thanks for your patience (and the developers for the program). -sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 17:57, Sven Schreiber wrote: Yes I read about this bug and therefore did it by hand from the cli. Also as I said it happens on linux, too. Do you have a small example where this happens? It should be easy to fix. -- José Abílio
follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
(Sorry for breaking the thread, I had just subscribed to the list and didn't confirm quickly enough, so I had to pick up the answers from the archive. But I'm fairly sure I'm on now.) Re Georg: 2. In the meantime it would be nice if the relyx-savvy could provide (permanent links to) more concrete advice on what latex constructs to avoid. (In my particular case retyping the tables in lyx is probably quicker than hand-editing the latex code, but for long-term or search-and-replace batch operations this may be helpful.) Maybe I just missed it? IMHO the needed time would be better spent in improving tex2lyx wrt tables. Ok, I take that as meaning that relyx tabular (or similar) is really a hopeless case. Then I redirect my suggestion to tex2lyx: maybe it's a good idea to collect in some public place hints and experience from users with respect to what works and what doesn't. And this time right from the start of this new tool tex2lyx. Re JMarc: Another guess is that lyx2lyx fails to run. What version of LyX for windows are you using? 1.3.5 has a bug that prevents lyx2lyx from running (it is invoked directly, and windows does not guess that it is a python script, since it does not have a .py extension). Windows users, please correct me if I am wrong. Yes I read about this bug and therefore did it by hand from the cli. Also as I said it happens on linux, too. Forgive me for babbling on a little, I won't do it often: I believe that lyx should really focus on the latex-integration aspect. The wysiwym approach is great, but that together with just exporting to latex is also done by texmacs (although I cannot tell how good it is at that) and in the future apparently also by openoffice (same obvious caveat), not mentioning commercial apps. Imagine: if the OO latex export filter will be good (big if), during the revision process authors can even use the word-doc format (OO handles that pretty well), even for exchange, and in the end have great tex output. So the only (I'm exaggerating...) remaining competitive advantage of lyx would be the direct latex integration. Lyx should build on that by making it easier to use the established latex doc-format for collaboration and exchange. Therefore, imho better latex import is really essential for the future of lyx. Ok, enough already, thanks for your patience (and the developers for the program). -sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 17:57, Sven Schreiber wrote: Yes I read about this bug and therefore did it by hand from the cli. Also as I said it happens on linux, too. Do you have a small example where this happens? It should be easy to fix. -- José Abílio
follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
(Sorry for breaking the thread, I had just subscribed to the list and didn't confirm quickly enough, so I had to pick up the answers from the archive. But I'm fairly sure I'm on now.) Re Georg: 2. In the meantime it would be nice if the relyx-savvy could provide (permanent links to) more concrete advice on what latex constructs to avoid. (In my particular case retyping the tables in lyx is probably quicker than hand-editing the latex code, but for long-term or search-and-replace batch operations this may be helpful.) Maybe I just missed it? IMHO the needed time would be better spent in improving tex2lyx wrt tables. Ok, I take that as meaning that relyx & tabular (or similar) is really a hopeless case. Then I redirect my suggestion to tex2lyx: maybe it's a good idea to collect in some public place hints and experience from users with respect to what works and what doesn't. And this time right from the start of this new tool tex2lyx. Re JMarc: Another guess is that lyx2lyx fails to run. What version of LyX for windows are you using? 1.3.5 has a bug that prevents lyx2lyx from running (it is invoked directly, and windows does not guess that it is a python script, since it does not have a .py extension). Windows users, please correct me if I am wrong. Yes I read about this bug and therefore did it by hand from the cli. Also as I said it happens on linux, too. Forgive me for babbling on a little, I won't do it often: I believe that lyx should really focus on the latex-integration aspect. The wysiwym approach is great, but that together with "just" exporting to latex is also done by texmacs (although I cannot tell how good it is at that) and in the future apparently also by openoffice (same obvious caveat), not mentioning commercial apps. Imagine: if the OO latex export filter will be good (big if), during the revision process authors can even use the word-doc format (OO handles that pretty well), even for exchange, and in the end have great tex output. So the only (I'm exaggerating...) remaining competitive advantage of lyx would be the direct latex integration. Lyx should build on that by making it easier to use the established latex doc-format for collaboration and exchange. Therefore, imho better latex import is really essential for the future of lyx. Ok, enough already, thanks for your patience (and the developers for the program). -sven
Re: follow-up: relyx / lyx2lyx problems and tex2lyx future
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 17:57, Sven Schreiber wrote: > Yes I read about this bug and therefore did it by hand from the cli. > Also as I said it happens on linux, too. Do you have a small example where this happens? It should be easy to fix. -- José Abílio
