Re: layout and template from LaTeX class.
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael McNeil Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: layout and template from LaTeX class.
Hi,
I have developed a LaTeX thesis class for UBC and have received questions
about how to use it with LyX. As I know very little about LyX, I am not
sure how to proceed.
All of the LaTeX class files and templates can be found below:
http://alum.mit.edu/www/mforbes/projects/ubcthesis/
I am trying to make the ubcthesis.cls compliant with UBC standards, and so
have provided a sample file ubcsample.tex that contains many comments
about the ordering of content, formatting issues etc. as required by the
university. These must be presented to users: I assume that this would be
done through a template for LyX users.
What is the best way to make this class available to LyX users?
The ubcthesis.cls is a modification of the standard book.cls.
I have tried making a simple ubcthesis.layout file:
-
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
# \DeclareLaTeXClass[ubcthesis]{University of British Columbia Theses}
# Read the definitions from book.layout
Input book.layout
-
It seems to work, but importing the ubcsample.tex renders most of the
comments in an extremely usless format. Many of the comments are about
ways of doing things in LaTeX or required stuff, and the resulting file
seems almost useless for someone starting a thesis in LyX. (I think
it would be easier for them to use LaTeX!)
Any suggestions on how to best make this class available to LyX users?
I've been through this kind of problems: in sample files, you find two
kinds of information:
- instructions about how to use the class (various commands available), often
alternating
piece of code and example of result;
- complements of instructions about layout (e.g. appearance of tables, space
around figures, etc.).
The pieces of code are not needed in the LyX case if the layout implements all
particularities
of the class: the sample can be restricted to an illustration of the specific
styles.
So the template/example (i.e. a template which is not empty, but filled with
examples of use)
can be much simpler than the LaTeX equivalent.
The complementary instructions are normally not needed as they are a remaining
of the time where
publishers sent to authors the description of the desired layout: if the class
is correctly
built, these layout instructions should not exist anymore.
However as the class can be incomplete (e.g. for tables layout), parts of the
LaTeX code
can be included in ERT to produce the explanations in screen or paper versions.
HTH
--
Jean-Pierre
Re: layout and template from LaTeX class.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: I've been through this kind of problems: in sample files, you find two kinds of information: - instructions about how to use the class (various commands available), often alternating piece of code and example of result; - complements of instructions about layout (e.g. appearance of tables, space around figures, etc.). The pieces of code are not needed in the LyX case if the layout implements all particularities of the class: the sample can be restricted to an illustration of the specific styles. So the template/example (i.e. a template which is not empty, but filled with examples of use) can be much simpler than the LaTeX equivalent. My design philosophy for the thesis class was to keep to a standard LaTeX idiom. It is possible to force the user to use a particular layout by having the class place the text in the appropriate order etc. but this would probably break many packages etc. Also, requirements are often not rigid when strange situations are encountered, and having a rigid class would prevent some people from using it. Thus, the comments are required to give users the freedom to do what they need, but the information they need to meet with approval if everything is standard. The complementary instructions are normally not needed as they are a remaining of the time where publishers sent to authors the description of the desired layout: if the class is correctly built, these layout instructions should not exist anymore. However as the class can be incomplete (e.g. for tables layout), parts of the LaTeX code can be included in ERT to produce the explanations in screen or paper versions. I have only a vague idea about what ERT is and how it fits in with the typical LyX experience, nor how to put the required information in the layout/template files. Apart from generating a simple layout file, I have not found clear documentation about what needs to be done. I want to avoid having to maintain two sets of files: one for LaTeX users and one for LyX users. Ideally, I would like to be able to specify enough information in the .cls and example files that the appropriate LyX stuff could be extracted, but I don't want to make life ore difficult for LaTeX users by cluttering up the sample files with LyX specific commands. Is this possible, or do I essentially have to maintain two separate projects: a LaTeX project (.cls + sample.tex) and a separate LyX project (.layout + template)? If not, I will have to wait until a LyX guru wants to volunteer to maintain the latter project before I can offer LyX support for the thesis templates. Thanks, Michael.
Re: layout and template from LaTeX class.
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael McNeil Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: layout and template from LaTeX class.
Hi,
I have developed a LaTeX thesis class for UBC and have received questions
about how to use it with LyX. As I know very little about LyX, I am not
sure how to proceed.
All of the LaTeX class files and templates can be found below:
http://alum.mit.edu/www/mforbes/projects/ubcthesis/
I am trying to make the ubcthesis.cls compliant with UBC standards, and so
have provided a sample file ubcsample.tex that contains many comments
about the ordering of content, formatting issues etc. as required by the
university. These must be presented to users: I assume that this would be
done through a template for LyX users.
What is the best way to make this class available to LyX users?
The ubcthesis.cls is a modification of the standard book.cls.
I have tried making a simple ubcthesis.layout file:
-
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
# \DeclareLaTeXClass[ubcthesis]{University of British Columbia Theses}
# Read the definitions from book.layout
Input book.layout
-
It seems to work, but importing the ubcsample.tex renders most of the
comments in an extremely usless format. Many of the comments are about
ways of doing things in LaTeX or required stuff, and the resulting file
seems almost useless for someone starting a thesis in LyX. (I think
it would be easier for them to use LaTeX!)
Any suggestions on how to best make this class available to LyX users?
I've been through this kind of problems: in sample files, you find two
kinds of information:
- instructions about how to use the class (various commands available), often
alternating
piece of code and example of result;
- complements of instructions about layout (e.g. appearance of tables, space
around figures, etc.).
The pieces of code are not needed in the LyX case if the layout implements all
particularities
of the class: the sample can be restricted to an illustration of the specific
styles.
So the template/example (i.e. a template which is not empty, but filled with
examples of use)
can be much simpler than the LaTeX equivalent.
The complementary instructions are normally not needed as they are a remaining
of the time where
publishers sent to authors the description of the desired layout: if the class
is correctly
built, these layout instructions should not exist anymore.
However as the class can be incomplete (e.g. for tables layout), parts of the
LaTeX code
can be included in ERT to produce the explanations in screen or paper versions.
HTH
--
Jean-Pierre
Re: layout and template from LaTeX class.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: I've been through this kind of problems: in sample files, you find two kinds of information: - instructions about how to use the class (various commands available), often alternating piece of code and example of result; - complements of instructions about layout (e.g. appearance of tables, space around figures, etc.). The pieces of code are not needed in the LyX case if the layout implements all particularities of the class: the sample can be restricted to an illustration of the specific styles. So the template/example (i.e. a template which is not empty, but filled with examples of use) can be much simpler than the LaTeX equivalent. My design philosophy for the thesis class was to keep to a standard LaTeX idiom. It is possible to force the user to use a particular layout by having the class place the text in the appropriate order etc. but this would probably break many packages etc. Also, requirements are often not rigid when strange situations are encountered, and having a rigid class would prevent some people from using it. Thus, the comments are required to give users the freedom to do what they need, but the information they need to meet with approval if everything is standard. The complementary instructions are normally not needed as they are a remaining of the time where publishers sent to authors the description of the desired layout: if the class is correctly built, these layout instructions should not exist anymore. However as the class can be incomplete (e.g. for tables layout), parts of the LaTeX code can be included in ERT to produce the explanations in screen or paper versions. I have only a vague idea about what ERT is and how it fits in with the typical LyX experience, nor how to put the required information in the layout/template files. Apart from generating a simple layout file, I have not found clear documentation about what needs to be done. I want to avoid having to maintain two sets of files: one for LaTeX users and one for LyX users. Ideally, I would like to be able to specify enough information in the .cls and example files that the appropriate LyX stuff could be extracted, but I don't want to make life ore difficult for LaTeX users by cluttering up the sample files with LyX specific commands. Is this possible, or do I essentially have to maintain two separate projects: a LaTeX project (.cls + sample.tex) and a separate LyX project (.layout + template)? If not, I will have to wait until a LyX guru wants to volunteer to maintain the latter project before I can offer LyX support for the thesis templates. Thanks, Michael.
Re: layout and template from LaTeX class.
>>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: Michael McNeil Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
>>Subject: layout and template from LaTeX class.
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have developed a LaTeX thesis class for UBC and have received questions
>>about how to use it with LyX. As I know very little about LyX, I am not
>>sure how to proceed.
>>
>>All of the LaTeX class files and templates can be found below:
>>http://alum.mit.edu/www/mforbes/projects/ubcthesis/
>>
>>I am trying to make the ubcthesis.cls compliant with UBC standards, and so
>>have provided a sample file ubcsample.tex that contains many comments
>>about the ordering of content, formatting issues etc. as required by the
>>university. These must be presented to users: I assume that this would be
>>done through a "template" for LyX users.
>>
>>What is the best way to make this class available to LyX users?
>>
>>The ubcthesis.cls is a modification of the standard book.cls.
>>
>>I have tried making a simple ubcthesis.layout file:
>>-
>>#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
>># \DeclareLaTeXClass[ubcthesis]{University of British Columbia Theses}
>>
>># Read the definitions from book.layout
>>Input book.layout
>>-
>>It seems to work, but importing the ubcsample.tex renders most of the
>>comments in an extremely usless format. Many of the comments are about
>>ways of doing things in LaTeX or required stuff, and the resulting file
>>seems almost useless for someone starting a thesis in LyX. (I think
>>it would be easier for them to use LaTeX!)
>>
>>Any suggestions on how to best make this class available to LyX users?
I've been through this kind of problems: in sample files, you find two
kinds of information:
- instructions about how to use the class (various commands available), often
alternating
piece of code and example of result;
- complements of instructions about layout (e.g. appearance of tables, space
around figures, etc.).
The pieces of code are not needed in the LyX case if the layout implements all
particularities
of the class: the sample can be restricted to an illustration of the specific
styles.
So the template/example (i.e. a template which is not empty, but filled with
examples of use)
can be much simpler than the LaTeX equivalent.
The complementary instructions are normally not needed as they are a remaining
of the time where
publishers sent to authors the description of the desired layout: if the class
is correctly
built, these layout instructions should not exist anymore.
However as the class can be incomplete (e.g. for tables layout), parts of the
LaTeX code
can be included in ERT to produce the explanations in screen or paper versions.
HTH
--
Jean-Pierre
Re: layout and template from LaTeX class.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: > I've been through this kind of problems: in sample files, you find two > kinds of information: > - instructions about how to use the class (various commands available), >often alternating piece of code and example of result; > - complements of instructions about layout (e.g. appearance of tables, >space around figures, etc.). > > The pieces of code are not needed in the LyX case if the layout > implements all particularities of the class: the sample can be > restricted to an illustration of the specific styles. So the > template/example (i.e. a template which is not empty, but filled with > examples of use) can be much simpler than the LaTeX equivalent. My design philosophy for the thesis class was to keep to a standard LaTeX idiom. It is possible to force the user to use a particular layout by having the class place the text in the appropriate order etc. but this would probably break many packages etc. Also, "requirements" are often not rigid when strange situations are encountered, and having a rigid class would prevent some people from using it. Thus, the comments are required to give users the freedom to do what they need, but the information they need to meet with approval if everything is standard. > The complementary instructions are normally not needed as they are a > remaining of the time where publishers sent to authors the description > of the desired layout: if the class is correctly built, these layout > instructions should not exist anymore. However as the class can be > incomplete (e.g. for tables layout), parts of the LaTeX code can be > included in ERT to produce the explanations in screen or paper versions. I have only a vague idea about what ERT is and how it fits in with the typical LyX experience, nor how to put the required information in the layout/template files. Apart from generating a simple layout file, I have not found clear documentation about what needs to be done. I want to avoid having to maintain two sets of files: one for LaTeX users and one for LyX users. Ideally, I would like to be able to specify enough information in the .cls and example files that the appropriate LyX stuff could be extracted, but I don't want to make life ore difficult for LaTeX users by cluttering up the sample files with LyX specific commands. Is this possible, or do I essentially have to maintain two separate projects: a LaTeX project (.cls + sample.tex) and a separate LyX project (.layout + template)? If not, I will have to wait until a LyX guru wants to volunteer to maintain the latter project before I can offer LyX support for the thesis templates. Thanks, Michael.
layout and template from LaTeX class.
Hi,
I have developed a LaTeX thesis class for UBC and have received questions
about how to use it with LyX. As I know very little about LyX, I am not
sure how to proceed.
All of the LaTeX class files and templates can be found below:
http://alum.mit.edu/www/mforbes/projects/ubcthesis/
I am trying to make the ubcthesis.cls compliant with UBC standards, and so
have provided a sample file ubcsample.tex that contains many comments
about the ordering of content, formatting issues etc. as required by the
university. These must be presented to users: I assume that this would be
done through a template for LyX users.
What is the best way to make this class available to LyX users?
The ubcthesis.cls is a modification of the standard book.cls.
I have tried making a simple ubcthesis.layout file:
-
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
# \DeclareLaTeXClass[ubcthesis]{University of British Columbia Theses}
# Read the definitions from book.layout
Input book.layout
-
It seems to work, but importing the ubcsample.tex renders most of the
comments in an extremely usless format. Many of the comments are about
ways of doing things in LaTeX or required stuff, and the resulting file
seems almost useless for someone starting a thesis in LyX. (I think
it would be easier for them to use LaTeX!)
Any suggestions on how to best make this class available to LyX users?
Thanks,
Michael.
layout and template from LaTeX class.
Hi,
I have developed a LaTeX thesis class for UBC and have received questions
about how to use it with LyX. As I know very little about LyX, I am not
sure how to proceed.
All of the LaTeX class files and templates can be found below:
http://alum.mit.edu/www/mforbes/projects/ubcthesis/
I am trying to make the ubcthesis.cls compliant with UBC standards, and so
have provided a sample file ubcsample.tex that contains many comments
about the ordering of content, formatting issues etc. as required by the
university. These must be presented to users: I assume that this would be
done through a template for LyX users.
What is the best way to make this class available to LyX users?
The ubcthesis.cls is a modification of the standard book.cls.
I have tried making a simple ubcthesis.layout file:
-
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
# \DeclareLaTeXClass[ubcthesis]{University of British Columbia Theses}
# Read the definitions from book.layout
Input book.layout
-
It seems to work, but importing the ubcsample.tex renders most of the
comments in an extremely usless format. Many of the comments are about
ways of doing things in LaTeX or required stuff, and the resulting file
seems almost useless for someone starting a thesis in LyX. (I think
it would be easier for them to use LaTeX!)
Any suggestions on how to best make this class available to LyX users?
Thanks,
Michael.
layout and template from LaTeX class.
Hi,
I have developed a LaTeX thesis class for UBC and have received questions
about how to use it with LyX. As I know very little about LyX, I am not
sure how to proceed.
All of the LaTeX class files and templates can be found below:
http://alum.mit.edu/www/mforbes/projects/ubcthesis/
I am trying to make the ubcthesis.cls compliant with UBC standards, and so
have provided a sample file ubcsample.tex that contains many comments
about the ordering of content, formatting issues etc. as required by the
university. These must be presented to users: I assume that this would be
done through a "template" for LyX users.
What is the best way to make this class available to LyX users?
The ubcthesis.cls is a modification of the standard book.cls.
I have tried making a simple ubcthesis.layout file:
-
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
# \DeclareLaTeXClass[ubcthesis]{University of British Columbia Theses}
# Read the definitions from book.layout
Input book.layout
-
It seems to work, but importing the ubcsample.tex renders most of the
comments in an extremely usless format. Many of the comments are about
ways of doing things in LaTeX or required stuff, and the resulting file
seems almost useless for someone starting a thesis in LyX. (I think
it would be easier for them to use LaTeX!)
Any suggestions on how to best make this class available to LyX users?
Thanks,
Michael.
