Re: why are the table too wide?
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jon Bendtsen wrote:
On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote:
Jon Bendtsen wrote:
I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2
possible options if the table is too wide.
1) scale font so all text can be there in one line
2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines
As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very
different, so
clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different
people
may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside
the table,
what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of
them
a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX
simply can't
guess such things.
You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column
fixed-width
and then the text inside will break into lines automatically.
I ask because I have never seen a word processor that can do this fully
automatic in a sane way. Of course, a word processor can limit
the table to the available width when you just keep typing into the cells.
But how can it possibly decide how wide each columns should be, if you
puts lots of text into several of them? Usually, only the writer can
know which
columns are useful to limit and which should adapt to the exact width
of the widest cell. And therefore, LyX and the latex typesetter doesn't
even try.
Helge Hafting
I think this is a sane default:
When the table becomes so wide that it would not fit the page (or the user set
width) then {
avail_width - calculate the available width (maybe user set);
too_large_columns - amount of table columns;
max_width - avail_width / too_large_columns;
while next column width max_width OR column width is user set {
// don't want to make small columns wider
too_large_columns--;
avail_width - avail_width - this column width;
max_width - avail_width / too_large_columns;
}
restrict columns that are wider than max_width to max_width;
}
Or do it like firefox handles tables (it is a bit different, but similar).
Rune
Re: why are the table too wide?
Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jon Bendtsen wrote:
On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote:
Jon Bendtsen wrote:
I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2
possible options if the table is too wide.
1) scale font so all text can be there in one line
2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines
As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very
different, so
clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different
people
may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside
the table,
what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of
them
a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX
simply can't
guess such things.
You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column
fixed-width
and then the text inside will break into lines automatically.
I ask because I have never seen a word processor that can do this fully
automatic in a sane way. Of course, a word processor can limit
the table to the available width when you just keep typing into the cells.
But how can it possibly decide how wide each columns should be, if you
puts lots of text into several of them? Usually, only the writer can
know which
columns are useful to limit and which should adapt to the exact width
of the widest cell. And therefore, LyX and the latex typesetter doesn't
even try.
Helge Hafting
I think this is a sane default:
When the table becomes so wide that it would not fit the page (or the user set
width) then {
avail_width - calculate the available width (maybe user set);
too_large_columns - amount of table columns;
max_width - avail_width / too_large_columns;
while next column width max_width OR column width is user set {
// don't want to make small columns wider
too_large_columns--;
avail_width - avail_width - this column width;
max_width - avail_width / too_large_columns;
}
restrict columns that are wider than max_width to max_width;
}
Or do it like firefox handles tables (it is a bit different, but similar).
Rune
Re: why are the table too wide?
Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Jon Bendtsen wrote:
> >
> > On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote:
> >
> >> Jon Bendtsen wrote:
> >>> I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2
> >>> possible options if the table is too wide.
> >>>
> >>> 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line
> >>> 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines
> >> As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very
> >> different, so
> >> clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different
> >> people
> >> may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside
> >> the table,
> >> what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of
> >> them
> >> a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX
> >> simply can't
> >> guess such things.
> >>
> >> You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column
> >> fixed-width
> >> and then the text inside will break into lines automatically.
> >
> I ask because I have never seen a word processor that can do this fully
> automatic in a sane way. Of course, a word processor can limit
> the table to the available width when you just keep typing into the cells.
>
> But how can it possibly decide how wide each columns should be, if you
> puts lots of text into several of them? Usually, only the writer can
> know which
> columns are useful to limit and which should adapt to the exact width
> of the widest cell. And therefore, LyX and the latex typesetter doesn't
> even try.
>
> Helge Hafting
>
>
I think this is a sane default:
When the table becomes so wide that it would not fit the page (or the user set
width) then {
avail_width <- calculate the available width (maybe user set);
too_large_columns <- amount of table columns;
max_width <- avail_width / too_large_columns;
while next column width < max_width OR column width is user set {
// don't want to make small columns wider
too_large_columns--;
avail_width <- avail_width - this column width;
max_width <- avail_width / too_large_columns;
}
restrict columns that are wider than max_width to max_width;
}
Or do it like firefox handles tables (it is a bit different, but similar).
Rune
Re: why are the table too wide?
On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote: Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. When i tried to make the table columns a fixed width with % but for some reason 10% of pagewidth was not the 10% of pagewidth i expected. I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. I want to set the max table width, and then i may want to assign a max column width to the columns based on the max table width. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? I dont use other word processors, but i seem to remember that they did not make tables wider than the page.
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. thats textwidth or columnwidth, not pagewidth. Jürgen
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote: Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. When i tried to make the table columns a fixed width with % but for some reason 10% of pagewidth was not the 10% of pagewidth i expected. I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. I want to set the max table width, and then i may want to assign a max column width to the columns based on the max table width. * page width is the width of the whole page, including margins. Rarely useful, unless you want to put something in the margins too. * text width is the width of the page, minus margins. What you asked for. * column width is the width of the current column, which is the same as text width unless you have a two-column document. It is sometimes useful to specify column width - that way the document adapts automatically if you change it to two-column on some later occation. But of course, some things are so wide that you want text width for them no matter how the rest of the document is set. * line width is what I normally use, as it adapt to everything. In normal text, it is the same as text width / column width. In a bullet list it is the available place for text. That is, the space used for bullets is removed just as the margins are. Similiar for enumerations, headings, and anything else. Of course a table in a enumeration might be unusual, but these lengths can be used for boxes and other stuff as well. Something that adapts to line width will therefore just work if you move it into a heading or enumeration or whatever. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? I dont use other word processors, but i seem to remember that they did not make tables wider than the page. I ask because I have never seen a word processor that can do this fully automatic in a sane way. Of course, a word processor can limit the table to the available width when you just keep typing into the cells. But how can it possibly decide how wide each columns should be, if you puts lots of text into several of them? Usually, only the writer can know which columns are useful to limit and which should adapt to the exact width of the widest cell. And therefore, LyX and the latex typesetter doesn't even try. Helge Hafting
Re: why are the table too wide?
On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote: Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. When i tried to make the table columns a fixed width with % but for some reason 10% of pagewidth was not the 10% of pagewidth i expected. I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. I want to set the max table width, and then i may want to assign a max column width to the columns based on the max table width. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? I dont use other word processors, but i seem to remember that they did not make tables wider than the page.
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. thats textwidth or columnwidth, not pagewidth. Jürgen
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote: Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. When i tried to make the table columns a fixed width with % but for some reason 10% of pagewidth was not the 10% of pagewidth i expected. I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. I want to set the max table width, and then i may want to assign a max column width to the columns based on the max table width. * page width is the width of the whole page, including margins. Rarely useful, unless you want to put something in the margins too. * text width is the width of the page, minus margins. What you asked for. * column width is the width of the current column, which is the same as text width unless you have a two-column document. It is sometimes useful to specify column width - that way the document adapts automatically if you change it to two-column on some later occation. But of course, some things are so wide that you want text width for them no matter how the rest of the document is set. * line width is what I normally use, as it adapt to everything. In normal text, it is the same as text width / column width. In a bullet list it is the available place for text. That is, the space used for bullets is removed just as the margins are. Similiar for enumerations, headings, and anything else. Of course a table in a enumeration might be unusual, but these lengths can be used for boxes and other stuff as well. Something that adapts to line width will therefore just work if you move it into a heading or enumeration or whatever. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? I dont use other word processors, but i seem to remember that they did not make tables wider than the page. I ask because I have never seen a word processor that can do this fully automatic in a sane way. Of course, a word processor can limit the table to the available width when you just keep typing into the cells. But how can it possibly decide how wide each columns should be, if you puts lots of text into several of them? Usually, only the writer can know which columns are useful to limit and which should adapt to the exact width of the widest cell. And therefore, LyX and the latex typesetter doesn't even try. Helge Hafting
Re: why are the table too wide?
On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote: Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. When i tried to make the table columns a fixed width with % but for some reason 10% of pagewidth was not the 10% of pagewidth i expected. I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. I want to set the max table width, and then i may want to assign a max column width to the columns based on the max table width. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? I dont use other word processors, but i seem to remember that they did not make tables wider than the page.
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: > I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. thats textwidth or columnwidth, not pagewidth. Jürgen
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: On 23/04/2008, at 12.39, Helge Hafting wrote: Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. When i tried to make the table columns a fixed width with % but for some reason 10% of pagewidth was not the 10% of pagewidth i expected. I want 100% to be the width of the page minus the margins. I want to set the max table width, and then i may want to assign a max column width to the columns based on the max table width. * "page width" is the width of the whole page, including margins. Rarely useful, unless you want to put something in the margins too. * "text width" is the width of the page, minus margins. What you asked for. * "column width" is the width of the current column, which is the same as "text width" unless you have a two-column document. It is sometimes useful to specify "column width" - that way the document adapts automatically if you change it to two-column on some later occation. But of course, some things are so wide that you want "text width" for them no matter how the rest of the document is set. * "line width" is what I normally use, as it adapt to everything. In normal text, it is the same as "text width" / "column width". In a bullet list it is the available place for text. That is, the space used for bullets is removed just as the margins are. Similiar for enumerations, headings, and anything else. Of course a table in a enumeration might be unusual, but these lengths can be used for boxes and other stuff as well. Something that adapts to "line width" will therefore "just work" if you move it into a heading or enumeration or whatever. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? I dont use other word processors, but i seem to remember that they did not make tables wider than the page. I ask because I have never seen a word processor that can do this fully automatic in a sane way. Of course, a word processor can limit the table to the available width when you just keep typing into the cells. But how can it possibly decide how wide each columns should be, if you puts lots of text into several of them? Usually, only the writer can know which columns are useful to limit and which should adapt to the exact width of the widest cell. And therefore, LyX and the latex typesetter doesn't even try. Helge Hafting
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? Helge Hafting
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? Helge Hafting
Re: why are the table too wide?
Jon Bendtsen wrote: Hi Why are the table too wide? Because you wrote too much text inside. I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines As you show - there are several ways of doing this. they look very different, so clearly the computer cannot make the choice automatically. Different people may want to do this differently, after all. When breaking text inside the table, what columns would you want to do that with? Perhaps you want one of them a little wider than the other because it is more important? LyX simply can't guess such things. You can change the font if you like. Or you can make a table column fixed-width and then the text inside will break into lines automatically. Do you know any other word processor that do this automatically - and gets it right also? Helge Hafting
why are the table too wide?
Hi Why are the table too wide? I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines JonB
why are the table too wide?
Hi Why are the table too wide? I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines JonB
why are the table too wide?
Hi Why are the table too wide? I dont want to spent time fixing the table width. I suggest 2 possible options if the table is too wide. 1) scale font so all text can be there in one line 2) break the text inside the table into multiple lines JonB
