Re: [M100] Disassembly of the m100/KC85/... ROMs

[Stefano Bodrato]

>Maybe even though Kyocera designed the hardware first,
>* maybe they didn't have a rom for it until after Bill wrote it for M100
>* maybe they couldn't produce their own until after they got some sale
money from licencing it to Tandy


It sounds very possible.

The MSBASIC was originally written for the 8080 (and in 1982/1983 used at the 
same time for Kyocera and Spectravideo), so most of the code is safe in either 
8085 and Z80.
I didn't spot oddities consequent of wrong mnemonics, if there are some they 
are probably common to all the targets.

I should be close to be able to add the m10 variant, since even the I/O 
addresses are the same there is the possibility that the ROMs can roughly be 
mixed, the com, lpt and keyboard scanning code is slightly different, though.

Stefano

Re: [M100] Web 8201 is moving servers!

[Gary Weber]

Thanks for the head's up Kurt, there is indeed a glitch that needs to be
resolved in the download link generation.  Browsing works, but the download
is busted.  I'll get to the bottom of this ASAP.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:04 PM Kurt McCullum  wrote:

> Gary,
>
> I tried to download the following file from your site and got an error.
> Might be more but I wanted to give you a heads up.
>
> Kurt
>
>
> https://www.web8201.net/files/LIBRARY_web8201/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-Olivetti/RAMROM.NEC
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Gary Weber wrote:
>
> The Web 8201 site has been migrated.  Everything looks good, but let me
> know if anyone sees anything weird.
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Gary Weber
> Web8201.net / Web8201.com
> --
>
> P.S.
>
> Chris:  That mint PC-8300 is working well.  :)
> Kurt:  You're welcome, and thanks to you for creating and maintaining
> SARDOS and mComm.
> Tom:  You're welcome of course!  I need to do something to get my PC-8500
> working well again.  After about two minutes of being turned on, the screen
> goes wacky...
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:58 PM Paco  wrote:
>
> Thanks Gary
>
> El mar., 28 ene. 2020 3:40, Chris Fezzler  escribió:
>
>
> Good luck.  One of my favorite sites.  How's that mint PC8300 working?
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:40:20 PM EST, Gary Weber 
> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings all!
>
> I'll be having my web hosting company move the Web 8201 website to a newer
> operating system in order to get away from the TLS 1.0 protocol limitations
> on the old Windows 2008 server.
>
> This move is going to require a bit of downtime and I don't have a time
> window yet.  But, I'm expecting that my site will be offline for a period
> of time over the next few days and wanted to just send out this notice as a
> head's up.   Nobody panic!   :)
>
> I'll send out an "all clear" when the migration is finished.
>
> Talk soon,
>
>
> --
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>
>
>

-- 
Gary Weber
g...@web8201.com

Re: [M100] Web 8201 is moving servers!

[Kurt McCullum]

The link to the main ZIP file that contained RAMROM.NET worked fine so not all 
of your links are messed up.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Gary Weber wrote:
> Thanks for the head's up Kurt, there is indeed a glitch that needs to be 
> resolved in the download link generation. Browsing works, but the download is 
> busted. I'll get to the bottom of this ASAP.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:04 PM Kurt McCullum  wrote:
>> __
>> Gary,
>> 
>> I tried to download the following file from your site and got an error. 
>> Might be more but I wanted to give you a heads up.
>> 
>> Kurt
>> 
>> https://www.web8201.net/files/LIBRARY_web8201/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-Olivetti/RAMROM.NEC
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Gary Weber wrote:
>>> The Web 8201 site has been migrated. Everything looks good, but let me know 
>>> if anyone sees anything weird.
>>> 
>>> Thanks all,
>>> 
>>> Gary Weber
>>> Web8201.net / Web8201.com
>>> --
>>> 
>>> P.S. 
>>> 
>>> Chris: That mint PC-8300 is working well. :)
>>> Kurt: You're welcome, and thanks to you for creating and maintaining SARDOS 
>>> and mComm.
>>> Tom: You're welcome of course! I need to do something to get my PC-8500 
>>> working well again. After about two minutes of being turned on, the screen 
>>> goes wacky...
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:58 PM Paco  wrote:
 Thanks Gary
 
 El mar., 28 ene. 2020 3:40, Chris Fezzler  escribió:
> 
> Good luck. One of my favorite sites. How's that mint PC8300 working?
> 
> On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:40:20 PM EST, Gary Weber 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Greetings all!
> 
> I'll be having my web hosting company move the Web 8201 website to a 
> newer operating system in order to get away from the TLS 1.0 protocol 
> limitations on the old Windows 2008 server.
> 
> This move is going to require a bit of downtime and I don't have a time 
> window yet. But, I'm expecting that my site will be offline for a period 
> of time over the next few days and wanted to just send out this notice as 
> a head's up. Nobody panic! :)
> 
> I'll send out an "all clear" when the migration is finished.
> 
> Talk soon,
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Gary Weber
>>> g...@web8201.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com

Re: [M100] Web 8201 is moving servers!

[Gary Weber]

Yeah, it wasn't all of the links, but most.   Apparently when they migrated
to the new server, the MIME types part of the IIS server configuration did
not get transferred.  I had to recreate the MIME types for most of the
Model T specific downloadable file extensions (.100, .200, .NEC, .BA, .DO,
etc..).

Should all be fixed now.


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:14 AM Kurt McCullum  wrote:

> The link to the main ZIP file that contained RAMROM.NET worked fine so
> not all of your links are messed up.
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Gary Weber wrote:
>
> Thanks for the head's up Kurt, there is indeed a glitch that needs to be
> resolved in the download link generation.  Browsing works, but the download
> is busted.  I'll get to the bottom of this ASAP.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:04 PM Kurt McCullum  wrote:
>
>
> Gary,
>
> I tried to download the following file from your site and got an error.
> Might be more but I wanted to give you a heads up.
>
> Kurt
>
>
> https://www.web8201.net/files/LIBRARY_web8201/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-Olivetti/RAMROM.NEC
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Gary Weber wrote:
>
> The Web 8201 site has been migrated.  Everything looks good, but let me
> know if anyone sees anything weird.
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Gary Weber
> Web8201.net / Web8201.com
> --
>
> P.S.
>
> Chris:  That mint PC-8300 is working well.  :)
> Kurt:  You're welcome, and thanks to you for creating and maintaining
> SARDOS and mComm.
> Tom:  You're welcome of course!  I need to do something to get my PC-8500
> working well again.  After about two minutes of being turned on, the screen
> goes wacky...
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:58 PM Paco  wrote:
>
> Thanks Gary
>
> El mar., 28 ene. 2020 3:40, Chris Fezzler  escribió:
>
>
> Good luck.  One of my favorite sites.  How's that mint PC8300 working?
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:40:20 PM EST, Gary Weber 
> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings all!
>
> I'll be having my web hosting company move the Web 8201 website to a newer
> operating system in order to get away from the TLS 1.0 protocol limitations
> on the old Windows 2008 server.
>
> This move is going to require a bit of downtime and I don't have a time
> window yet.  But, I'm expecting that my site will be offline for a period
> of time over the next few days and wanted to just send out this notice as a
> head's up.   Nobody panic!   :)
>
> I'll send out an "all clear" when the migration is finished.
>
> Talk soon,
>
>
> --
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>
>
>

-- 
Gary Weber
g...@web8201.com

[M100] Call for docs

[Charles Hudson]

Just acquired an NEC PC 8300.  Unit is in VGC cosmetically and after
initial inspection seems to be functional.  I can see the Kyocera lineage
but there are enough differences that I would like to ask for assistance in
locating docs and understanding the differences.

Software suite includes BASIC, TEXT and TELCOM, no ADDRS or SCHED.  There
is a port on the left side with a spring-loaded door.  There are no ORIG /
ANS or DIR / APP switches.  There is a Protect switch and an FDD port.  And
the ROM ports look like, well, ROM ports.  There is even a ROM in one of
them.

And of course the keyboard layout is a little different, too.  Thanks for
any input.

-CH-

Re: [M100] Call for docs

[Kurt McCullum]

For the ROM, got to basic and type EXEC 62394 and the ROM will load.

ADDRS and SCHED are not in the system ROM. ORIG/ANS ect are for the modem in a 
M100. There was an optional modem made to put internally into the 8300 but it 
didn't require those switches.

FDD port is for the VERY rare NEC floppy drive. Using TS-DOS and a regular TPDD 
emulator is a much better option.

Manuals are on club100 and web8201.net

Kurt

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Charles Hudson wrote:
> Just acquired an NEC PC 8300. Unit is in VGC cosmetically and after initial 
> inspection seems to be functional. I can see the Kyocera lineage but there 
> are enough differences that I would like to ask for assistance in locating 
> docs and understanding the differences.
> 
> Software suite includes BASIC, TEXT and TELCOM, no ADDRS or SCHED. There is a 
> port on the left side with a spring-loaded door. There are no ORIG / ANS or 
> DIR / APP switches. There is a Protect switch and an FDD port. And the ROM 
> ports look like, well, ROM ports. There is even a ROM in one of them.
> 
> And of course the keyboard layout is a little different, too. Thanks for any 
> input.
> 
> -CH-

Re: [M100] REXCPM & M100 CP/M

[r cs]

How much memory will be available to CP/M?

Is this using the native 80C85?

Thanks again,
rcs

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 9:17 PM Philip Avery  wrote:

> Yes, either a real VT-100 or perhaps more common today an serial-VGA board
> that accepts VT-100 codes.
>
> Philip
>
> On 27/01/2020 2:44 pm, r cs wrote:
>
> Will the output be like something that could have been fed to something
> like a VT-100?
>
> Thanks,
> rcs
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 4:01 PM Philip Avery  wrote:
>
>> Short answer is no, at this stage.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> On 27/01/2020 9:20 am, Fugu ME100 wrote:
>> > Will it be able to use a DVI for screen output?
>> >
>> > On 25/1/20, 8:39 PM, "M100 on behalf of Philip Avery"
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> That will work with M100 CP/M. Same CP/M command (Stat) will redirect
>> >> 'screen' output to the printer port if you like.
>> >> In fact you can redirect keyboard input from the serial as well, so you
>> >> can just use the M100 as a processor if you want.
>> >>
>> >> Philip
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>>
>> >
>>
>>
>
> --
> *Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin. *[Irish Gaelic]
> (There is no fireside like your own fireside.)
>
>
>
>

-- 
*Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin. *[Irish Gaelic]
(There is no fireside like your own fireside.)

Re: [M100] REXCPM & M100 CP/M

[Stephen Adolph]

Hi
80c85 for sure
64 kB RAM for CP/M  ( dont need any more than this)
~2 or 4 MB of disk space (depending on which model you buy)

...Steve


On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, r cs  wrote:

> How much memory will be available to CP/M?
>
> Is this using the native 80C85?
>
> Thanks again,
> rcs
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 9:17 PM Philip Avery  wrote:
>
>> Yes, either a real VT-100 or perhaps more common today an serial-VGA
>> board that accepts VT-100 codes.
>>
>> Philip
>>
>> On 27/01/2020 2:44 pm, r cs wrote:
>>
>> Will the output be like something that could have been fed to something
>> like a VT-100?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> rcs
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 4:01 PM Philip Avery  wrote:
>>
>>> Short answer is no, at this stage.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>> On 27/01/2020 9:20 am, Fugu ME100 wrote:
>>> > Will it be able to use a DVI for screen output?
>>> >
>>> > On 25/1/20, 8:39 PM, "M100 on behalf of Philip Avery"
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> That will work with M100 CP/M. Same CP/M command (Stat) will redirect
>>> >> 'screen' output to the printer port if you like.
>>> >> In fact you can redirect keyboard input from the serial as well, so
>>> you
>>> >> can just use the M100 as a processor if you want.
>>> >>
>>> >> Philip
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin. *[Irish Gaelic]
>> (There is no fireside like your own fireside.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> *Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin. *[Irish Gaelic]
> (There is no fireside like your own fireside.)
>
>
>

Re: [M100] Disassembly of the m100/KC85/... ROMs

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Since Steve and Philip are close to done with REXCPM I wonder how hard it
would be to adapt/repackage the M100 BASIC interpreter as CP/M program?

That way many BASIC programs could run under REXCPM 64K all-RAM mode
instead of having to go back to BASIC ROM mode.

-- John.

>

Re: [M100] Disassembly of the m100/KC85/... ROMs

[Stephen Adolph]

There is already a microsoft basic with cp/m.   Commands are a bit
different so I guess the question is how to modify so it is maximally the
same?


On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> Since Steve and Philip are close to done with REXCPM I wonder how hard it
> would be to adapt/repackage the M100 BASIC interpreter as CP/M program?
>
> That way many BASIC programs could run under REXCPM 64K all-RAM mode
> instead of having to go back to BASIC ROM mode.
>
> -- John.
>
>>

[M100] DVI alternatives

[James Zeun]

As I'm going to become a DVi owner, I thought I'd pose this question.

Are there other methods of outputting to a monitor with my M100?

Re: [M100] Disassembly of the m100/KC85/... ROMs

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:37 PM Stephen Adolph  wrote:

> There is already a microsoft basic with cp/m.   Commands are a bit
> different so I guess the question is how to modify so it is maximally the
> same?
>
>>
>>
Yeah I don't know which would be easier. Modify a CP/M BASIC or port the
ROM to a CP/M program.

Not that there aren't better programming language options on CP/M. Was just
wondering about running existing M100 BASIC programs.

-- John.

[M100] M100 repair video

[Josh Malone]

All,

I finally made my first M100 repair video. This was a repair job that I
picked up at Tandy Assembly -- one of several, actually. This may also be
my first one-sitting fix (turned out to be a simple problem).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSD01xLqwEc

I'm still planning to make more videos of my repair jobs. I tried to
include stuff that I thought might help others with their troubleshooting.

-Josh

Re: [M100] M100 repair video

[Randall Kindig]

Josh, this is great!  Thanks so much for helping the community with these.  The 
more 100/102s that we can get repaired and in use, the better!

Randy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Josh Malone  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I finally made my first M100 repair video. This was a repair job that I 
> picked up at Tandy Assembly -- one of several, actually. This may also be my 
> first one-sitting fix (turned out to be a simple problem).
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSD01xLqwEc 
>  
> 
> I'm still planning to make more videos of my repair jobs. I tried to include 
> stuff that I thought might help others with their troubleshooting.
> 
> -Josh 

Re: [M100] M100 repair video

[kjohnson3 . 14]

I have a M100 that has been sitting on my stack of projects to tackle for
far too long. I knew it was dead when I bought it but hoped for a easy fix.
The batteries exploded.

I'll have to give this a watch maybe it will help me.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:45 PM Randall Kindig 
wrote:

> Josh, this is great!  Thanks so much for helping the community with
> these.  The more 100/102s that we can get repaired and in use, the better!
>
> Randy
>
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Josh Malone  wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I finally made my first M100 repair video. This was a repair job that I
> picked up at Tandy Assembly -- one of several, actually. This may also be
> my first one-sitting fix (turned out to be a simple problem).
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSD01xLqwEc
>
> I'm still planning to make more videos of my repair jobs. I tried to
> include stuff that I thought might help others with their troubleshooting.
>
> -Josh
>
>
>

Re: [M100] M100 repair video

[Kevin Becker]

That alcohol dispenser looks really handy.

On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 21:34 -0500, Josh Malone wrote:
> All,
> I finally made my first M100 repair video. This was a repair job that
> I picked up at Tandy Assembly -- one of several, actually. This may
> also be my first one-sitting fix (turned out to be a simple problem).
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSD01xLqwEc 
> 
> I'm still planning to make more videos of my repair jobs. I tried to
> include stuff that I thought might help others with their
> troubleshooting.
> 
> -Josh 
> 

Re: [M100] DVI alternatives

[Mike Stein]

Not directly to a monitor but you can redirect the screen to the serial or 
parallel port; that would let you display on a terminal such as what Philip and 
Charles described, or even an old PC running a terminal program. Connect the 
terminal/PC to your big screen TV and connect the M100 to the PC via Bluetooth 
and relax on the couch.

There are some gotchas though, mostly to do with correctly moving the cursor 
around on the foreign screen.
  - Original Message - 
  From: James Zeun 
  To: m...@bitchin100.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 8:46 PM
  Subject: [M100] DVI alternatives


  As I'm going to become a DVi owner, I thought I'd pose this question.


  Are there other methods of outputting to a monitor with my M100?

Re: [M100] DVI alternatives

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 7:48 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Not directly to a monitor but you can redirect the screen to the serial or
> parallel port; that would let you display on a terminal such as what Philip
> and Charles described, or even an old PC running a terminal program.
> Connect the terminal/PC to your big screen TV and connect the M100 to the
> PC via Bluetooth and relax on the couch.
>
> There are some gotchas though, mostly to do with correctly moving the
> cursor around on the foreign screen.
>

ISTR we were working on that.

It would be nice to, from BASIC

a) Change the Width + Height
b) Redirect I/O to the port
c) Have a working terminal to host on a PC that understands all M100 codes.
Maybe VT52 is enough. Of course this machine won't know the Model 100
character set > 127

But I don't thing we have all that do we?
We need a program to set the width, height and do the redirect.
Would be nice to have a terminal that can display all Model 100 characters
and handle all escapes.

Then it would be a true DVI alternative, at least as far as the display.

-- John.