Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

[Brian White]

The original that Josh is replying to here , just like Steve's original
earlier, is not even in my spam folder. Filtering or diverting or holding
is happening in places we have no control over.

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bkw

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 11:11 AM Joshua O'Keefe 
wrote:

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 7:50 AM, Chris Trainor  wrote:
> > it's super important you flag it as not spam to train Google that it's
> not junk.
>
> My personal experience over the past 18 years of using Google mail systems
> is that it's completely untrainable and learns absolutely nothing from end
> user flagging.  Whatever signals it's mis-training on are massively
> outweighing end user input.

Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

[Joshua O'Keefe]

On Apr 26, 2022, at 7:50 AM, Chris Trainor  wrote:
> it's super important you flag it as not spam to train Google that it's not 
> junk.

My personal experience over the past 18 years of using Google mail systems is 
that it's completely untrainable and learns absolutely nothing from end user 
flagging.  Whatever signals it's mis-training on are massively outweighing end 
user input.

Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

[Chris Trainor]

Because of the volume and type of messages it may be that some of them are 
getting flagged as spam/bulk mail by Google.  (or any other provider).   
Sometimes even tho they don't show up in the spam folder, they could be delayed 
by Google (or other mail host) blocking the first attempt to send the message, 
but letting subsequent requests thru (because spammers rarely retry sending).  

It's annoying...  but, if anyone has any list messages that end up in their 
spam folders it's super important you flag it as not spam to train Google that 
it's not junk.  

--Chris



-Original Message-
From: M100  On Behalf Of Joshua O'Keefe
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 10:08 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

On Apr 26, 2022, at 4:39 AM, Stephen Adolph  wrote:
> Mail from the mailing list really seems to be out of sync these days.
> I'm seeing replies to emails that I have never seen the original post for.

This has been a sporadic issue for me that seems to be getting worse.  
Previously the missing messages were primarily from Yahoo addresses and getting 
incorrectly marked as spam for what appeared to be SPF reasons.  This is a 
Google header parsing/spam routing bug (even if you have rules to deliver these 
messages anyway!) and I still have to go retrieve those periodically although 
less often lately.

Currently some replies are being delivered hours or days before the originating 
message.  Sometimes the originating message is not delivered at all.  I'd have 
to see John's MTA logs to know why but as someone whose professional 
responsibilities include deliverability of messages with rewritten headers I've 
seen comparable problems when the receiving MTA is greylisting delivery 
attempts due to bad heuristics.

Both you and I are using Google mail infrastructure so that might be the 
commonality to start pointing fingers.

Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

[birt_j]

Google has been very cranky lately if the email origin does not have the SPF 
record set or the email is not singed. I was getting random bounces to gmail 
accounts for a few months now which got obnoxious a few weeks ago. Setting the 
SPF record on my email server config seems to have taken care of the problem 
for now. I'm not sure what settings the mailing list server is using. I know 
there is a way to tell from the header but forget how after figuring it out a 
few weeks ago 

Jeff Birt

-Original Message-
From: M100  On Behalf Of Joshua O'Keefe
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:08 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

On Apr 26, 2022, at 4:39 AM, Stephen Adolph  wrote:
> Mail from the mailing list really seems to be out of sync these days.
> I'm seeing replies to emails that I have never seen the original post for.

This has been a sporadic issue for me that seems to be getting worse.  
Previously the missing messages were primarily from Yahoo addresses and getting 
incorrectly marked as spam for what appeared to be SPF reasons.  This is a 
Google header parsing/spam routing bug (even if you have rules to deliver these 
messages anyway!) and I still have to go retrieve those periodically although 
less often lately.

Currently some replies are being delivered hours or days before the originating 
message.  Sometimes the originating message is not delivered at all.  I'd have 
to see John's MTA logs to know why but as someone whose professional 
responsibilities include deliverability of messages with rewritten headers I've 
seen comparable problems when the receiving MTA is greylisting delivery 
attempts due to bad heuristics.

Both you and I are using Google mail infrastructure so that might be the 
commonality to start pointing fingers.

Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

[Brian White]

This very message is like that for me.
I just got Josh's reply but still have not seen Steve's original, and it's
not in the spam folder either.

-- 
bkw

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 10:08 AM Joshua O'Keefe 
wrote:

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 4:39 AM, Stephen Adolph  wrote:
> > Mail from the mailing list really seems to be out of sync these days.
> > I'm seeing replies to emails that I have never seen the original post
> for.
>
> This has been a sporadic issue for me that seems to be getting worse.
> Previously the missing messages were primarily from Yahoo addresses and
> getting incorrectly marked as spam for what appeared to be SPF reasons.
> This is a Google header parsing/spam routing bug (even if you have rules to
> deliver these messages anyway!) and I still have to go retrieve those
> periodically although less often lately.
>
> Currently some replies are being delivered hours or days before the
> originating message.  Sometimes the originating message is not delivered at
> all.  I'd have to see John's MTA logs to know why but as someone whose
> professional responsibilities include deliverability of messages with
> rewritten headers I've seen comparable problems when the receiving MTA is
> greylisting delivery attempts due to bad heuristics.
>
> Both you and I are using Google mail infrastructure so that might be the
> commonality to start pointing fingers.
>
>
>

Re: [M100] is it just me , or..

[Joshua O'Keefe]

On Apr 26, 2022, at 4:39 AM, Stephen Adolph  wrote:
> Mail from the mailing list really seems to be out of sync these days.
> I'm seeing replies to emails that I have never seen the original post for.

This has been a sporadic issue for me that seems to be getting worse.  
Previously the missing messages were primarily from Yahoo addresses and getting 
incorrectly marked as spam for what appeared to be SPF reasons.  This is a 
Google header parsing/spam routing bug (even if you have rules to deliver these 
messages anyway!) and I still have to go retrieve those periodically although 
less often lately.

Currently some replies are being delivered hours or days before the originating 
message.  Sometimes the originating message is not delivered at all.  I'd have 
to see John's MTA logs to know why but as someone whose professional 
responsibilities include deliverability of messages with rewritten headers I've 
seen comparable problems when the receiving MTA is greylisting delivery 
attempts due to bad heuristics.

Both you and I are using Google mail infrastructure so that might be the 
commonality to start pointing fingers.

[M100] is it just me , or..

[Stephen Adolph]

Mail from the mailing list really seems to be out of sync these days.
I'm seeing replies to emails that I have never seen the original post for.
Strange.
Anyone else having an issue?
Steve

Re: [M100] Disk Power

[Brian K. White]

Thank you for the manual!

But these files are not enough to install the software.

The cassette files are ok but to install you need the entire original 
disk not just the files from it.


Do you still have the original disk and a tpdd drive?

If so, I can walk you through using pdd.sh to image the disk if you 
wouldn't mind trying it.
Even if you don't have a mac or linux machine, I could give you exact 
directions to use a bootable thumb drive if it came to that.


Regardless, the manual alone is great to see. Thank you much.

--
bkw


On 4/26/22 01:59, you got me wrote:

d power.zip 

*From:* M100  on behalf of Brian K. 
White 

*Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2022 7:51 AM
*To:* M100 List 
*Subject:* [M100] Disk Power
Does anyone have a copy of Disk Power or Disk Power II for any platform?

I have been slowly trying to assemble info about all known TPDD clients.
http://tandy.wiki/TPDD_client 

And Disk Power is one that is mentioned several times throughout the
M100SIG, but there are no copies anywhere because of the way the
distribution disk was made to prevent copying.

Last year I got a copy for KC-85 with a machine, and developed a tpdd
utility to the point where I was able to image and reproduce the
original disk, as well as the installer from the cassette, and it's
reproducible now:
http://tandy.wiki/TPDD_client:Disk_Power 



Now I'd like to do that for the other platforms. But the only way
possible is for someone to have an original disk and cassette (needs
both). Then I can either show someone how to do it, or if they are
willing to mail it to me I'll do it and mail it back. Or buy their copy
from them.

--
bkw



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bkw