Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Mark Wickens wrote: > I have a package waiting for me in the hallway - it's either an NEC or a > Tandy 200! > > Mark. > > Wow already in Stage 3 of your model T addiction. Ecellent... -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
I have a package waiting for me in the hallway - it's either an NEC or a Tandy 200! Mark. On 29/06/15 15:39, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: MFORTH opt rom source is public so you could look at that. http://www.strangegizmo.com/products/mforth/ Steve Adolph with REX/REXMGR is the one to most recently create an Option ROM. You could ask him what he has as far as a Option ROM template. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
MFORTH opt rom source is public so you could look at that. http://www.strangegizmo.com/products/mforth/ Steve Adolph with REX/REXMGR is the one to most recently create an Option ROM. You could ask him what he has as far as a Option ROM template. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
John My plan is to create an OptionROM so any boiler plate code, guidelines, etc. would be most welcome. I am still planning on exploring the SmallC route, but I've already started coding in assembler and am quite liking it :) Certainly 8085 is a lot easier to get in your head than VAX Macro-32! Regards, Mark. On 11/06/15 18:57, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Kurt McCullum wrote: John, Glad to hear it exists. The question I am trying to answer is about the boilerplate. Looking through a few of the Traveling Software ROMs it would appear that each one is slightly different. Is this because the interrupt routines are different for various software used on the ROMs? Kurt Maybe, in part. Steve and I found bugs/inefficiencies in Mo's routines. So we were fixing them. So I'd say it's a few things: a) Bugfixes/improvements over time b) Different ROMs, different names. c) Application specific hardware interrupt handling (software interrupts / effectively "custom instructions") b) ISTR there being some nooks and crannies where you could insert code. So some variability may just be that they have application specific code packed in between system critical stuff. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
I can get SmallC running under Linux. This generates a SmallMAC (an 8085
macro assembler) input source file. I have the source code for SmallMAC
which is also written in C - I should be able to get that running under
Linux also.
The remaining steps, as I see them, are as follows:
1. Post-process the object files that SmallMAC genarates into a format
readable on a Tandy 102 (or at least burnable).
2. Provide enough c-library functions to interface with the hardware -
screen, keyboard etc.
3. Provide a suitable C startup file.
4. Ideally programs would use suitable sections so that they can be
split between ROM and RAM.
I have done all this in the past with a different compiler targeting a
single board 68k computer.
Hopefully the memory overhead would be acceptable to leave enough space
for reasonable sized programs.
I was wondering if you can call the ROM routines from an option ROM?
Regards, Mark.
On 11/06/15 19:27, Frederick Whitaker wrote:
The developer's wife stayed in touch with the list for a time after he
died. If you can reach her, I don't know her email, she might be
willing to sell copies. At the time we last obtained copies we were
able to get them for $50 a pop, which was an excellent price.
RBASIC is still an excellent tool. Unless someone would like to
develop a dedicated 8085 output "C" compiler. There are 8085 "C"
compilers, but they have to be run under a "Z80" emulator.
Don't forget the excellent assembly compiler in VirtualT.
Frederick Whitaker
On 6/11/2015 10:52 AM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
I don't know. I bought a legit copy a few years back.
On Thursday, June 11, 2015, Mike Stein <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is RBASIC still available?
m
- Original Message -
*From:* John R. Hogerhuis
*To:* Model 100 Discussion
*Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:03 AM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
Not really. Assembly is your best bet hands down.
But there is RBASIC a basic compiler and MFORTH.
-- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
The developer's wife stayed in touch with the list for a time after he
died. If you can reach her, I don't know her email, she might be willing
to sell copies. At the time we last obtained copies we were able to get
them for $50 a pop, which was an excellent price.
RBASIC is still an excellent tool. Unless someone would like to develop
a dedicated 8085 output "C" compiler. There are 8085 "C" compilers, but
they have to be run under a "Z80" emulator.
Don't forget the excellent assembly compiler in VirtualT.
Frederick Whitaker
On 6/11/2015 10:52 AM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
I don't know. I bought a legit copy a few years back.
On Thursday, June 11, 2015, Mike Stein <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is RBASIC still available?
m
- Original Message -
*From:* John R. Hogerhuis
*To:* Model 100 Discussion
*Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:03 AM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
Not really. Assembly is your best bet hands down.
But there is RBASIC a basic compiler and MFORTH.
-- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Kurt McCullum wrote: > John, > > Glad to hear it exists. The question I am trying to answer is about the > boilerplate. Looking through a few of the Traveling Software ROMs it would > appear that each one is slightly different. Is this because the interrupt > routines are different for various software used on the ROMs? > > Kurt > > Maybe, in part. Steve and I found bugs/inefficiencies in Mo's routines. So we were fixing them. So I'd say it's a few things: a) Bugfixes/improvements over time b) Different ROMs, different names. c) Application specific hardware interrupt handling (software interrupts / effectively "custom instructions") b) ISTR there being some nooks and crannies where you could insert code. So some variability may just be that they have application specific code packed in between system critical stuff. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
I think the techniques are the same, but the actual routines will differ. The improved boiler plate John and I did is just an example. Steve On Thursday, June 11, 2015, Kurt McCullum wrote: > John, > Glad to hear it exists. The question I am trying to answer is about the boilerplate. Looking through a few of the Traveling Software ROMs it would appear that each one is slightly different. Is this because the interrupt routines are different for various software used on the ROMs? > Kurt > > > > On Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:03 AM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Kurt McCullum wrote: >> Does this book still exist? >> >> "The Secrets of the Option ROM Revealed" by Mo Budlong >> > > It exists at my house. Mo also wrote RBASIC. > > The main takeaway though is the boilerplate assembly code which you > base an OptROM on, switching, and calls in/out of optrom to the main > ROM. The boilerplate code inlcudes the ROM portion of interrupt > handlers that need to be present since when the OptROM is switched in > since interrupts can happen any time. It also includes the > "installation" code. > > Steve and I worked a bit on the "shell" and maybe the call code. If > anyone wants to write their own OptROM I think we can get you some > code. > > -- John. > > >
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
John, Glad to hear it exists. The question I am trying to answer is about the boilerplate. Looking through a few of the Traveling Software ROMs it would appear that each one is slightly different. Is this because the interrupt routines are different for various software used on the ROMs? Kurt On Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:03 AM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Kurt McCullum wrote: > Does this book still exist? > > "The Secrets of the Option ROM Revealed" by Mo Budlong > It exists at my house. Mo also wrote RBASIC. The main takeaway though is the boilerplate assembly code which you base an OptROM on, switching, and calls in/out of optrom to the main ROM. The boilerplate code inlcudes the ROM portion of interrupt handlers that need to be present since when the OptROM is switched in since interrupts can happen any time. It also includes the "installation" code. Steve and I worked a bit on the "shell" and maybe the call code. If anyone wants to write their own OptROM I think we can get you some code. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Kurt McCullum wrote: > Does this book still exist? > > "The Secrets of the Option ROM Revealed" by Mo Budlong > It exists at my house. Mo also wrote RBASIC. The main takeaway though is the boilerplate assembly code which you base an OptROM on, switching, and calls in/out of optrom to the main ROM. The boilerplate code inlcudes the ROM portion of interrupt handlers that need to be present since when the OptROM is switched in since interrupts can happen any time. It also includes the "installation" code. Steve and I worked a bit on the "shell" and maybe the call code. If anyone wants to write their own OptROM I think we can get you some code. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
Does this book still exist? "The Secrets of the Option ROM Revealed" by Mo Budlong On Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:52 AM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: I don't know. I bought a legit copy a few years back. On Thursday, June 11, 2015, Mike Stein wrote: Is RBASIC still available? m - Original Message - From: John R. Hogerhuis To: Model 100 Discussion Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100? Not really. Assembly is your best bet hands down. But there is RBASIC a basic compiler and MFORTH. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
I don't know. I bought a legit copy a few years back. On Thursday, June 11, 2015, Mike Stein wrote: > Is RBASIC still available? > > m > > - Original Message - > *From:* John R. Hogerhuis > > *To:* Model 100 Discussion > > *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:03 AM > *Subject:* Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100? > > Not really. Assembly is your best bet hands down. > > But there is RBASIC a basic compiler and MFORTH. > > -- John. > >
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
Is RBASIC still available? m - Original Message - From: John R. Hogerhuis To: Model 100 Discussion Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100? Not really. Assembly is your best bet hands down. But there is RBASIC a basic compiler and MFORTH. -- John.
Re: [M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
Not really. Assembly is your best bet hands down. But there is RBASIC a basic compiler and MFORTH. -- John.
[M100] Programming languages for the Model 100?
Can I trouble the list with a question regarding programming? What are the options for programming the Model 100 other than BASIC and machine code, if any? My Retrochallenge 2015/07 entry this year will centre around creating a custom ROM for my Model 102 and I know I'll make more progress on the software if I can code it in language like C. I have been investigating the options for generic 8080/8085 code generation with a view to customizing the output to target the Model 100 architecture. At the moment the most convenient solution looks like it will be a custom target for the SmallC compiler, but there are other options which are generally CP/M based. Thanks for the help, Mark.
