Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Ken Pettit]

On 1/10/23 6:34 AM, Greg Swallow wrote:

Good Lord, this reminds me of writing a routine for popups under PC-DOS on a 
green display.


Yep, that's basically what this is! :)

In fact, I even wrote a fast BASIC routine to save the LCD character 
contents (won't save any graphics) to a save string (S$) that can be 
restored to the display later via a few simple PRINT@ commands using 
MID$ function.  It saves a region W x H in size at location X,Y (where X 
and Y are zero based character LCD coordinates).  It does this by 
manually pointing a temp string (TP$) to the LCD memory region and 
setting its length to W using pokes, then performing S$=S$+TP$.


10 
DEFINTA,J:TP$="":S$="":B=65024+Y*40+X:A=VARPTR(TP$):POKEA,W:FORJ=YTOY+H-1:POKEA+2,INT(B/256):POKEA+1,B-PEEK(A+2)*256:S$=S$+TP$:B=B+40:NEXT


Ken

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Greg Swallow]

Good Lord, this reminds me of writing a routine for popups under PC-DOS on a 
green display.

Anyway, left. I like the spacing of the right, but as a popup the left is more 
suitable. 

> On Jan 9, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Ken Pettit  wrote:
> 
> Hey gang,
> 
> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look better 
> between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded up in BASIC, 
> but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
> 
> Ken
> 

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[birt_j]

If you were applying the dialog box as an overlay (over existing background 
text) then the left, it clearly stands out from the background. If you are 
applying it over a clear background then the right, it is less busy.

Jeff Birt

-Original Message-
From: M100  On Behalf Of Ken Pettit
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 6:45 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

Hey gang,

I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look better 
between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded up in BASIC, 
but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.

Ken

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Ken Pettit]

On 1/10/23 3:58 AM, Daniel L wrote:

Honestly, I like them both equally.

Yes, I suck.


Hey, at least you didn't say you *dislike* them both equally!  ;-)

And never be sorry for being honest ... it is always the best policy. :)

Ken

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Daniel L]

Honestly, I like them both equally.

Yes, I suck.

Daniel

On 1/9/23 16:44, Ken Pettit wrote:

Hey gang,

I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look 
better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were 
coded up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.


Ken

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[MikeS]

OK, I've crossed the floor; left it is!

(Never thought I'd hear me say that... ;-)

m


- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Pettit" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2023 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"


> 
> On 1/9/23 5:25 PM, Daryl Tester wrote:
>> On 10/1/23 11:34, Brian K. White wrote:
>>
>>
>> This.  For me, the left is easier to initially pick out, but the right 
>> has "spacing"
>> between the outer box/title and inner text (between the "Options" 
>> title and the
>> first "Prog Mode" item).
> 
> Okay, how about the attached version?  It insets the left / right 
> borders from the outer text by 1/2 character width and adds an extra 
> space to the interior content of the box to compensate.  I think this 
> one looks better.
> 
> Ken
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On this one I like the left better

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023, 6:32 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:

>
>
>
> Okay, how about the attached version?  It insets the left / right
> borders from the outer text by 1/2 character width and adds an extra
> space to the interior content of the box to compensate.  I think this
> one looks better.
>
> Ken
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Sean O’Brien]

First example. Left hand sample. Black-edged, more contrasty, simply cut n 
pasted over the background. Go with first instinct. But how about blue?

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Ken Pettit]

On 1/9/23 5:25 PM, Daryl Tester wrote:

On 10/1/23 11:34, Brian K. White wrote:


This.  For me, the left is easier to initially pick out, but the right 
has "spacing"
between the outer box/title and inner text (between the "Options" 
title and the

first "Prog Mode" item).


Okay, how about the attached version?  It insets the left / right 
borders from the outer text by 1/2 character width and adds an extra 
space to the interior content of the box to compensate.  I think this 
one looks better.


Ken

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Chris Fezzler]

 LEFT
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:44:51 PM EST, Ken Pettit 
 wrote:  
 
 Hey gang,

I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look 
better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded 
up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.

Ken
  

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Daryl Tester]

On 10/1/23 11:34, Brian K. White wrote:

Tough one. I think the right. I like how the left makes itself and it's title 
clearly distinct from other text, but all in all I think the space around the 
thin lines makes that box easier to look at.



This.  For me, the left is easier to initially pick out, but the right has 
"spacing"
between the outer box/title and inner text (between the "Options" title and the
first "Prog Mode" item).

Understandable that this probably can't be achieved with the reduced cell size
of the display and the descenders of the characters.

Cheers,
  --dt

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[John R. Hogerhuis]

yeah. It's chonkier but I think that keeps it separated

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 5:03 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:

> On 1/9/23 4:52 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
>
> Sorry I meant Option #2, line drawing... not trying to skew the results by
> numbering my favored one #1
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:51 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
>
>> I like Option #1 (line drawing chars) since it doesn't get jagged on
>> right hand side due to bumping into characters.
>>
>> But if that pixel column was cleared or a shadow knocked out I might like
>> Option #1.
>>
>
> You mean something like the attached?
>
> Ken
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Brian K. White]

Tough one. I think the right. I like how the left makes itself and it's 
title clearly distinct from other text, but all in all I think the space 
around the thin lines makes that box easier to look at.


--
bkw

On 1/9/23 19:44, Ken Pettit wrote:

Hey gang,

I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look 
better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded 
up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.


Ken

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Ken Pettit]

On 1/9/23 4:52 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
Sorry I meant Option #2, line drawing... not trying to skew the 
results by numbering my favored one #1


On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:51 PM John R. Hogerhuis > wrote:


I like Option #1 (line drawing chars) since it doesn't get jagged
on right hand side due to bumping into characters.

But if that pixel column was cleared or a shadow knocked out I
might like Option #1.



You mean something like the attached?

Ken

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[MikeS]

RH Dialob box for me, pls; doesn't stand out as much but definitely neater and 
that is a rather unusual background after all

m

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Pettit" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2023 7:44 PM
Subject: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"


> Hey gang,
> 
> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look 
> better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded 
> up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
> 
> Ken
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Lee Kelley]

I vote for the one on the left.  That could be a first

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023, 18:59 Russell Flowers  wrote:

> I like the example on the left best.
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 6:45 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:
>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look
>> better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded
>> up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Adam Corbett]

I also vote for the left menu.  The dark border is a lot easier for me to
pick out from the background text.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 5:44 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look
> better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded
> up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
>
> Ken
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Russell Flowers]

I like the example on the left best.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 6:45 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look
> better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded
> up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
>
> Ken
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Sorry I meant Option #2, line drawing... not trying to skew the results by
numbering my favored one #1

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:51 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> I like Option #1 (line drawing chars) since it doesn't get jagged on right
> hand side due to bumping into characters.
>
> But if that pixel column was cleared or a shadow knocked out I might like
> Option #1.
>
> One other complicating issues is that is the solid representation (no gaps
> between pixels) of the screen in VirtualT. The pixelized version or a real
> model t screen might be more representative.
>
> -- John.
>
> On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:45 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:
>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look
>> better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded
>> up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[John R. Hogerhuis]

I like Option #1 (line drawing chars) since it doesn't get jagged on right
hand side due to bumping into characters.

But if that pixel column was cleared or a shadow knocked out I might like
Option #1.

One other complicating issues is that is the solid representation (no gaps
between pixels) of the screen in VirtualT. The pixelized version or a real
model t screen might be more representative.

-- John.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 4:45 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look
> better between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded
> up in BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
>
> Ken
>

Re: [M100] Subjective poll on M100 "dialob box"

[Stephen Adolph]

I vote left!

On Monday, January 9, 2023, Ken Pettit  wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> I'm curious which of the two "dialog box" options people think look better
> between the two shown in the attached diagram.  These were coded up in
> BASIC, but I'm thinking of using it in an ASM program.
>
> Ken
>