Re: Problem Downloading Google chrome

2011-10-05 Thread David Griffith
Thakns for advice.
Yes going back and selecting the language did then mean that the download 
commenced. It is odd that a more helpful message was not produced by the web 
page rather than a simple thanks for downloading a product that was not in fact 
downloading. A simple error message saying please select language would have 
been much less confusing.

Thanks again.

Now Ihave to go and find the link to  Chrome Box 

David Griffith
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On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:09, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 I just tried again.  This time it worked.  Be very sure you select the 
 language for the browser before downloading.
 On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described.
 On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote:
 
 Dear list 
 after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now 
 attempted to download the application several times.
 I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button.
 I am then  taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. 
 I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded 
 into my downloads folder.
 To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another 
 file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder.
 I have tried restarting my Mac.
 Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads 
 listed  for download.
 I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion.
 
 Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download 
 Google Chrome? 
 David Griffith
 d.griff...@btinternet.com
 
 
 
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Lists, a question

2011-10-05 Thread Gordon Lynne
Hello all

I have been approached by a member with a view to establishing a list dedicated 
to iOS-Access. Do others think it would be helpful to separate mac-access and 
iO-Access? If so, we're more than happy to do so. We already have the domain 
registered, so it would be no problem.

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Re: twitter

2011-10-05 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi!

You can also get YoruFukurou off of the App Store.

http://itunes.apple.com/dk/app/yorufukurou/id428834068?mt=12

Additionally, here's the link to the application from their website.
http://aki-null.net/yf/YoruFukurou_SL.zip

This is the same as distributed on the App Store.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Ian McNamara wrote:

 Hi i use yaroo it is a good cliant and it updates instantly just type it in 
 to google it si called yaroo figuroo.
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Re: Lists, a question

2011-10-05 Thread Dane Trethowan
Too many lists!

We already have at least 3 IOS lists as is.

As Mac and IOS devices are often integrated with each other anyway I don't see 
the point of starting a dedicated IOS list.

I even wonder at times as to the point of a Mac-access list? The list content 
is highly valued and its a good resource but what happens when someone wants to 
use Windows or another operating system on their Mac? Well the list ain't too 
good to them is it if they wish to rais points regarding Windows smile.


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Re: iphone 4s

2011-10-05 Thread Dane trethowan
I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but 
your comment is very subjective.  Some may say that the Android devices 
are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're 
seeing steady progress as development in this area continues.




On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
accessibility.

On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability 
to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, 
speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for 
quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this 
must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get 
me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is 
introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the 
ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a 
drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a 
bit restrictive.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:


Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for 
blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind 
users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation 
method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp 
cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they 
 gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us 
please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all 
touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me 
use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its 
full potential, why on earth would I want it?

Mary

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Re: iphone 4s

2011-10-05 Thread Jonathan Tyrer
I seriusly love to hear how Android is more accessible. Maybe you'd
let me know off-list?

JT

On 05/10/2011, Dane trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but
 your comment is very subjective.  Some may say that the Android devices
 are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're
 seeing steady progress as development in this area continues.



 On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
 But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being
 accessibility.

 On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

 The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The
 ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as
 much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android
 has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn
 directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also
 more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many
 of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that
 is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a
 computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete
 files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

 Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with
 Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important
 for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a
 physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core
 Android phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant
 will be available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will
 they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here,
 no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger
 screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth
 devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why
 on earth would I want it?

 Mary

 Mary Otten
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Re: iphone 4s

2011-10-05 Thread Dane Trethowan
Well I'm going to correct you slightly here, I didn't say it was more 
accessible I said that some people would consider it more accessible 
given that the interface is different and yep, I'll write you off list 
with further details.




On 5/10/2011 10:48 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

I seriusly love to hear how Android is more accessible. Maybe you'd
let me know off-list?

JT

On 05/10/2011, Dane trethowangrtd...@internode.on.net  wrote:

I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but
your comment is very subjective.  Some may say that the Android devices
are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're
seeing steady progress as development in this area continues.



On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being
accessibility.

On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The
ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as
much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android
has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn
directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also
more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many
of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that
is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a
computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete
files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:


Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with
Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important
for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a
physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core
Android phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant
will be available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will
they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here,
no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger
screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth
devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why
on earth would I want it?

Mary

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Re: mud client for the mac

2011-10-05 Thread Travis Siegel
Muddle is a terminal app, this means that you need to edit terminal  
files to use it.
Text edit will edit these files, but it will require a little manual  
work.
First option is to load the muddle.sample into text edit, change your  
aliases, triggers, and connections, then save it again, rename the  
muddle.sample file to dot muddle (that's the word muddle preceeded by  
a period) which will make it invissible to finder, so subsequent  
edits will take a bit of fancy footwork. :)
As for using ip addresses instead of domain names, this is an  
artifact of the way muddle connects to it's hosts, (again, something  
I'll fix as soon as I get the other issues worked out)
To find the ip address of a mud, you'll need to use nslookup (not  
recomended lately) or whois.
I prefer nslookup, because it returns *only* the ip address, where as  
whois gives all kinds of other info as well, which isn't relevant to  
your current case, but the advantage of whois is that it can be run  
from a web browser or any other whois client (and there's tons of  
them) so it is easier for folks to hunt down the required info.


There are examples of all of the things muddle can do in the sample  
configuration file, so you can take those and modify them to do what  
you like.
It's certainly not the easiest client to use, but the advantage is  
that it loads, and gets out of your way, so you can do your mudding  
without having to concern yourself with anything but the mud in  
question.
I don't mud very often, but when I do, muddle lets me have multiple  
muds open and keep track of all of them with a few simple commands.   
That's my primary reason for using it.


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Re: More On iOS List

2011-10-05 Thread Sarah Alawami
yeah, plus there 2 out there already that are already very good. one with over 
900 members and one with about 250. I h joined the sma;;er of the 2 as 
thousands of messages during the night was not keeping me happy lol!
On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Gordon  Lynne wrote:

 Hello again everybody
 
 Well, that brought quite a lot of response, so thank you. Actually, Gordon 
 and I both feel that there's no need for another iOS list, since this one 
 already has facilities for both the discussion of Mac and iOS. But we were 
 approached by a member, so we thought we'd give people the opportunity to 
 respond.
 
 So we'll leave things as they are, since this group already covers both iOS 
 and Mac OS.
 
 Again, we were just acting on feedback but I don't think there's much point 
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Re: Dropbox help and beta location

2011-10-05 Thread Sarah Alawami
Really? I'm not getting the updates at all. and I downloaded the latest public 
beta. Using the king of beasts here as my os.

Take care all.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

 Hi Jeff,
 
   I found the latest Dropbox Beta and it is number 1.2 something and I 
 was running 1.1 something.  I now seem to be up and running correctly.  Also, 
 a bonus Dropbox seems to be giving me more feedback.  When the files are 
 updated I get a announcement telling me how many files have changed.  When I 
 deleted a folder another announcement popped up with details.  It seemed to 
 be working well with voice over.  I'm not using growl so this was all part of 
 the Dropbox update. 
 
 I did find the tip about running the app from the disk image helpful.  I had 
 to use the volume that opened on the desktop.  I also made sure the old 
 Dropbox was closed by closing it in activity monitor.  
 
 Eric Caron  
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
 
 Hi Eric,
 
 About six weeks ago I installed DropBox 1.1.43 which was then the current 
 public release.  Following these lists I was under the impression that I 
 would need to install a beta, but perhaps their accessibility improvements 
 made it to the public release by the time I finally took off my SendSpace 
 blinders and decided to give DropBox a try.
 
 As you probably already know, you need to install from the disk image, but 
 so far that was my only glitch.
 
 You probably already tried this but I noticed that interacting with the file 
 affects my available choices in the context menu.  After interacting with a 
 file in my public folder, and pressing vo-shift-m for the context menu, I 
 see a dropbox submenu which includes an option to copy the file link within.
 
 If this is not showing up for you, perhaps you might want to try 
 reinstalling DropBox from scratch?
 
 Best regards.
 Geoff
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Eric Caron 
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility 
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:48 PM
 Subject: Dropbox help and beta location
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I'm using Lyon and am having Dropbox trouble.  I can not find the Dropbox 
 option item in the context menu in the public folder.  thus I can't send a 
 file that way.  Also my shared folders seem to no longer be working.
 
 I fixed this problem many weeks ago by installing a Beta.  Now it seems all 
 broken again.  Is there a newer Beta out there?  I would love a link or a 
 web site.  I went to dropbox but did not see the beta.  I tried the current 
 version there but my computer said it was a older version when I went to put 
 it into my applications folder.  So I did not use it,
 Any dropbox tips for me?  Or, a lead on where the latest beta is hiding?
 
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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

2011-10-05 Thread Carolyn Wagner
Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain 
hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally 
use on my mac?
On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
 concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's 
 not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
 
 Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as 
 modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
 
 1.  navigation.
 
 I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
 haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
 object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over a 
 page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a 
 phrase from the user-manual).
 
 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, 
 they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  So for 
 example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) 
 ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to key-lock on 
 VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there.
 
 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a table mode 
 however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
 execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow 
 is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, I'm just 
 not a big fan.
 
 What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
 Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance.  
 I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  Secondly, each time 
 I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default 
 rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I 
 just haven't come across the settings yet.
 
 All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
 iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, Safari 
 does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can easily see how 
 people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with 
 google-docs.
 
 All the best,
 
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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hello,

It's actually both.  It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various 
netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore.

hth.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote:

 Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain 
 hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I 
 occasionally use on my mac?
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
 concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) 
 it's not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
 
 Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt 
 as modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
 
 1.  navigation.
 
 I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
 haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
 object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over a 
 page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a 
 phrase from the user-manual).
 
 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, 
 they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  So for 
 example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) 
 ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to key-lock on 
 VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there.
 
 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a table mode 
 however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
 execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where 
 arrow is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, I'm 
 just not a big fan.
 
 What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
 Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance.  
 I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  Secondly, each 
 time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to 
 default rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and 
 stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet.
 
 All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
 iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, 
 Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can easily 
 see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying 
 it with google-docs.
 
 All the best,
 
 Dónal
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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

2011-10-05 Thread Carolyn Wagner
Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? 
Any known issues?
On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 Hello,
 
 It's actually both.  It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various 
 netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome 
 webstore.
 
 hth.
 On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote:
 
 Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on 
 certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I 
 occasionally use on my mac?
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
 concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) 
 it's not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
 
 Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt 
 as modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
 
 1.  navigation.
 
 I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
 haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
 object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over 
 a page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a 
 phrase from the user-manual).
 
 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. 
 However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  
 So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed 
 by) ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to 
 key-lock on VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured 
 it's there.
 
 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a table mode 
 however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
 execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where 
 arrow is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, 
 I'm just not a big fan.
 
 What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
 Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. 
  I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  Secondly, each 
 time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to 
 default rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and 
 stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet.
 
 All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
 iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, 
 Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can 
 easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward 
 to trying it with google-docs.
 
 All the best,
 
 Dónal
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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
only started playing with it yesterday.  Very straightforward.  Whether it 
captures rich media well is open to debate.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:35, Carolyn Wagner wrote:

 Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? 
 Any known issues?
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 It's actually both.  It comes as part of the OS which is installed on 
 various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the 
 chrome webstore.
 
 hth.
 On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote:
 
 Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on 
 certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I 
 occasionally use on my mac?
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
 concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) 
 it's not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
 
 Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt 
 as modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
 
 1.  navigation.
 
 I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
 haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
 object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over 
 a page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise 
 a phrase from the user-manual).
 
 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. 
 However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  
 So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed 
 by) ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to 
 key-lock on VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured 
 it's there.
 
 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a table mode 
 however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
 execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where 
 arrow is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, 
 I'm just not a big fan.
 
 What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
 Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken 
 utterance.  I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  
 Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted 
 themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if 
 they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet.
 
 All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
 iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, 
 Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can 
 easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward 
 to trying it with google-docs.
 
 All the best,
 
 Dónal
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Audio Hijack Pro Question.

2011-10-05 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hi Folks:

If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record 
options initiated or just the record option.

On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut 
key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong.

One more thing:  how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded?

Thanks all over the place gang.

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Re: Audio Hijack Pro Question.

2011-10-05 Thread Dane Trethowan

Can't answer your last point.

Regarding when scheduling, by default both Hijack and Record options 
are enabled, you must Hijack a source in order that it be recorded 
with the Record function.  If you press the Record button the 
Hijack button will also be pressed.




On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Folks:

If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record 
options initiated or just the record option.

On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut 
key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong.

One more thing:  how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded?

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Reading PDF books with Ibooks

2011-10-05 Thread Dane Trethowan
On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF 
documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them?


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 I use Stanza available at
 
 www.lexcycle.com
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 Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  I 
 have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
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Preview bug.

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi all,

I've meant to post on this for some time but I kept forgetting to do so.

So here's the scenario.  I open a file in Preview (needless to say a PDF).  
There are a few things:

1.  I like to view documents in single page mode (makes referencing them in 
bibliographic entries easier).  However, each time I open the file the view is 
set to continuous.
2.  I set VO to read each page.  HOwever, the end of each page is actually cut 
off and a brief high-pitched beep is heard.  It's usualy only the last few 
words, but can be as much as a line.

Anyone else encountered this?

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Re: EPub..

2011-10-05 Thread Esther
Hi Dónal,

I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM:
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html
It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with 
accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you 
have to press the right arrow key to advance pages.  (You can make the font 
really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.)  You can use 
VO-Shift-C to copy text.  It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably read 
your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative.  Still, 
it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of ePub and 
PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app.

Cheers,

Esther
 

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 Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  I 
 have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
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Re: EPub..

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Thanking you.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:22, Jane wrote:

 I use Stanza available at
 
 www.lexcycle.com
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 have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
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Re: Reading PDF books with Ibooks

2011-10-05 Thread Jane
You just add them to your iTunes library and tell iTunes which ones to sort.  
In my case, iTunes syncs all my ebooks.  I haven't actually read a PDF yet, but 
I plan to once I get my books organized. I have over 1,000 to sort into 
collections.

Jane


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 On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF 
 documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them?
 
 
 On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote:
 
 I use Stanza available at
 
 www.lexcycle.com
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
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 I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
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Re: Reading PDF books with Ibooks

2011-10-05 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi Dane,
Open iTunes and hit cmd-o to add files to your library. Select the file or 
folder containing the PDFs in question and add them the way you would music, 
and they'll appear in the proper category.
You can also open PDFs in Safari on the iPad, and they can be added through a 
button on that screen.
Best,
Zack.
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 I use Stanza available at
 
 www.lexcycle.com
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Re: EPub..

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility.  Thanks 
for that.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:30, Esther wrote:

 Hi Dónal,
 
 I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM:
 http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html
 It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with 
 accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you 
 have to press the right arrow key to advance pages.  (You can make the font 
 really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.)  You can 
 use VO-Shift-C to copy text.  It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably 
 read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative.  
 Still, it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of 
 ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
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 have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
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Re: Reading PDF books with Ibooks

2011-10-05 Thread Esther
Hi Dane,

You can mail PDF files as attachments to yourself, then open them in iBooks, or 
you can use Dropbox or MobileMe links to the files, or use direct download 
links on a web page and have them open up in iBooks.  If you want to do 
something fancier, like use zipped or archived files, you can use a file 
transfer app like Filer to open them, then transfer them to iBooks (or any 
other app that supports PDF reading on your device).  This has all worked for a 
while for  PDF files.  The same methods work for ePub files since about April, 
I think, when iBooks was updated to recognize ePub files.  I've used FileChute 
(paid program that I already had) on my Mac to send myself and others links to 
ePub or PDF files on my MobileMe account.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:25, Dane Trethowan wrote:

 On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF 
 documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them?
 
 
 On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote:
 
 I use Stanza available at
 
 www.lexcycle.com
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  
 I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
 Cheers.

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Re: EPub..

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I've just downloaded it, preview is driving me insane!  It's cutting off chunks 
at the ends of pages.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:39, Esther wrote:

 Yes, the beta was released in July, and there are versions for both Mac and 
 Windows (with JAWS support).  Jane's correct that you'd be better off using 
 Stanza desktop if it's ePub without DRM.  Pressing the arrow key is still a 
 bit clunky, and I think that's true for both Mac and Windows versions of the 
 beta.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:30, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility.  
 Thanks for that.
 On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:30, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Dónal,
 
 I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM:
 http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html
 It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version 
 with accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) 
 and you have to press the right arrow key to advance pages.  (You can make 
 the font really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.) 
  You can use VO-Shift-C to copy text.  It's still a bit of a pain, so I 
 would probably read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's 
 an alternative.  Still, it's great that they're working on supporting 
 accessible reading of ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this 
 app.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  
 I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
 Cheers.
 
 
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more on PDF bug.

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Folks,

I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF 
page is the VO more available sound.  Anyone any idea why I'm getting this 
rather than the entire contents of the page?

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Re: more on PDF bug.

2011-10-05 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Unfortunately that doesn't alter anything Zack.  I've also played with the 
various zooming options under the view menu, and while the point at which the 
more sound occurs changes, it never seems to get the entire page squeezed in. 
 I'll ask a sighted colleague I  think if the entire page is fitting onto the 
screen.

Cheers.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 23:23, Zachary Kline wrote:

 Hi Donal,
 Perhaps the window is too small to show everything? I'd try hitting the Zoom 
 button to enlarge the window to its maximum size, and reading again. The only 
 other instance I can think of where I heard that sound was in a case like 
 this with another program.
 Best,
 Zack.
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
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 I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF 
 page is the VO more available sound.  Anyone any idea why I'm getting this 
 rather than the entire contents of the page?
 
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Steve Jobs, may he rest in peace

2011-10-05 Thread Dane Trethowan
Just heard on the radio that Steve jobs has passed away, I think I wouldn't be 
the only one if I didn't rais my hand to thank him for the wonderful work he's 
done at Apple and for his visionary insite which has allowed me along with many 
others to use a computer and other equipment right out of the box, a job well 
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IM in Skype.

2011-10-05 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hi Folks:

Any tips on using messaging in Skype?  I can't seem to get the hang of it.

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Re: Audio Hijack Pro Question.

2011-10-05 Thread KliphSharrie
The record button is command plus r.  Now I have a question of my own.  What 
settings do I need to configure if I want everyone on a skype call to hear 
everything I'm doing with my system?  I'm talking itunes, safari, and voice 
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 Can't answer your last point.
 
 Regarding when scheduling, by default both Hijack and Record options are 
 enabled, you must Hijack a source in order that it be recorded with the 
 Record function.  If you press the Record button the Hijack button will 
 also be pressed.
 
 
 
 On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 Hi Folks:
 
 If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the 
 record options initiated or just the record option.
 
 On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut 
 key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong.
 
 One more thing:  how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded?
 
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RIP Steve Jobs

2011-10-05 Thread Jane
It's official. Steve Jobs, 56, died today.  I never knew the man, but I had a 
lot of respect for him.  I bought an iBook G4 back when Tiger first came out.  
I used it to get through my last year of college, and it kept on trucking till 
after the polls closed when President Obama was elected.

I've worked on a Mac Mini, an iMac, and now a MacBook Pro.  I also have an 
iPad.  It's thanks to his vision and willingness to include us that we have all 
this technology from Apple today.  He'll be missed.

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Re: Audio Hijack Pro Question.

2011-10-05 Thread Sarah Alawami
Yu will need to run it thrugh sound flower. Sicne this does not come wiht audio 
hijmack anymore, or the last time I checked it did not, you can download it 
from the google code page. I t has not been updated in for ever though but it 
still works with lion. Sound flower is like a vertual audio cable with up to 16 
channels, although I have never used it that way and don't really know how lol1

Take care all.
On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:27 PM, KliphSharrie wrote:

 The record button is command plus r.  Now I have a question of my own.  What 
 settings do I need to configure if I want everyone on a skype call to hear 
 everything I'm doing with my system?  I'm talking itunes, safari, and voice 
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 Kliphton SR
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 (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians
 
 
 
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
 
 Can't answer your last point.
 
 Regarding when scheduling, by default both Hijack and Record options are 
 enabled, you must Hijack a source in order that it be recorded with the 
 Record function.  If you press the Record button the Hijack button 
 will also be pressed.
 
 
 
 On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
 Hi Folks:
 
 If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the 
 record options initiated or just the record option.
 
 On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a 
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Re: iphone 4s

2011-10-05 Thread Mike Arrigo
Android may not have every single accessibility feature the iphone does, but I 
can easily complete the same task on both platforms, and sometimes android is 
faster, have you actually tried android or are you saying this from what you 
have heard?
On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

 But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
 accessibility.
 
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
 The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The 
 ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. 
 Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had 
 this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn 
 directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also 
 more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of 
 the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is 
 important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, 
 and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared 
 to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 
 Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
 for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
 blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
 navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
 phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
 available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? 
 In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in 
 tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
 slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
 can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I 
 want it? 
 
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Re: iphone 4s

2011-10-05 Thread michael maslo
Have tried it before.


On Oct 5, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

 Android may not have every single accessibility feature the iphone does, but 
 I can easily complete the same task on both platforms, and sometimes android 
 is faster, have you actually tried android or are you saying this from what 
 you have heard?
 On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
 
 But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
 accessibility.
 
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
 
 The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The 
 ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as 
 much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has 
 had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn 
 directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also 
 more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many 
 of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is 
 important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, 
 and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared 
 to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
 On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 
 Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
 for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
 blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
 navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
 phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
 available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they 
 cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun 
 in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
 slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
 can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would 
 I want it? 
 
 Mary
 
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Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget!

2011-10-05 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello everybody

It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing 
away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and 
every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his 
determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we 
use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. 
Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the 
nose for what we often take for granted.

Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the 
lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for 
him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the 
group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all 
deeply grateful for them.

May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy 
continue to speak for him many years from now.

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BPS Software

2011-10-05 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello everybody

Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, we 
here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your 
licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration data. 
All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if 
required, I can send you again and then we will issue your licenses if you 
don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do the 
rest for you right away.

Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in 
the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. 
Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be 
more than happy to assist if required.

Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access Dot 
Net, and visa versa):
http://www.bitpersecond.com/bps/partners.html
strives to bring you quality yet affordable software. We are proud to be 
associated with this small Mac-dedicated developer who is very keen to make all 
of his products accessible and to make them available at a discount for all Mac 
Access Dot Net members.


Lynne

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Re: BPS Software

2011-10-05 Thread michael maslo
Hi list:

What type of software do they have?
 I went to the web site and saw art for computers. Is that what they sell or is 
there more?

Thanks in advance.On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
wrote:

 Hello everybody
 
 Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, 
 we here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your 
 licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration 
 data. All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if 
 required, I can send you again and then we will issue your licenses if you 
 don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do 
 the rest for you right away.
 
 Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in 
 the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. 
 Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be 
 more than happy to assist if required.
 
 Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access 
 Dot Net, and visa versa):
 http://www.bitpersecond.com/bps/partners.html
 strives to bring you quality yet affordable software. We are proud to be 
 associated with this small Mac-dedicated developer who is very keen to make 
 all of his products accessible and to make them available at a discount for 
 all Mac Access Dot Net members.
 
 
 Lynne
 
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Re: BPS Software

2011-10-05 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Mike

Try the root of the site, http://bitpersecond.com for a list of their 
products. Amongst which are sArchiver, the best archive tool on the Mac, and 
sBackup another backup utility.

Don't buy directly from there or you won't get the discount if you opt to buy 
anything. Let me know and I'll send the custom links for our members again.

There are trials of all of their software available.

Lynne

On 6 Oct 2011, at 06:19, michael maslo wrote:

Hi list:

What type of software do they have?
I went to the web site and saw art for computers. Is that what they sell or is 
there more?

Thanks in advance.On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
wrote:

 Hello everybody
 
 Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, 
 we here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your 
 licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration 
 data. All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if 
 required, I can send you again and then we will issue your licenses if you 
 don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do 
 the rest for you right away.
 
 Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in 
 the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. 
 Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be 
 more than happy to assist if required.
 
 Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access 
 Dot Net, and visa versa):
 http://www.bitpersecond.com/bps/partners.html
 strives to bring you quality yet affordable software. We are proud to be 
 associated with this small Mac-dedicated developer who is very keen to make 
 all of his products accessible and to make them available at a discount for 
 all Mac Access Dot Net members.
 
 
 Lynne
 
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thoughts on iPhone 4S

2011-10-05 Thread william lomas
hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
from the 4 if they have one?
to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament 
to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to 
ge that?
all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
my upgrade is due next year not this. 
if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and 
say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if 
have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone 
away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as 
texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to 
live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a 
phone that hardly offers anything new?

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BPS Software; Custom Links

2011-10-05 Thread Mrs . Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello everybody

We will add these to our blog in due course, and to the main website. In the 
meantime, here are the custom link details for the BPS Software products 
discounted for Mac Access Dot Net members:

The discounted link for sArchiver, the best archiver utility for the Mac:

http://bitpersecond.com/bps/sarchiver_macaccessnet.html

The custom link for sBackup is at:
http://bitpersecond.com/bps/sbackup_macaccessnet.html
this product is reduced in price at this URL from $19.99 to $14.99 (USD)

The URL for iTunes Controller 2 is at:
 http://bitpersecond.com/bps/itunescontroller2_macaccessnet.html
discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD)

The custom URL for @nonymous is at:
http://bitpersecond.com/bps/anonymous_macaccess.html
discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD)

Lynne

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