Re: Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget!

[chris hallsworth]

Hi all.
It is very sad indeed to hear of the passing of the businessman who not 
only thought about products for the general public, but also thought 
about making such products accessible to the blind and visually impaired 
community. Without him, we would be stuck in the microsoft world like 
you say Lynn, and VoiceOver would be a dream and not a reality. 
Microsoft is only now slowly catching up with Apple for competetor's 
sake. But it may be too late. Who knows. Anyway, may he rest in peace 
and my sincere condolences go out to everyone at Apple, as well as those 
who loved and knew Steve.

Take care.

On 06/10/2011 04:11, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

Hello everybody

It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing 
away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and 
every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his 
determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we 
use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. 
Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the 
nose for what we often take for granted.

Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the 
lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for 
him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the 
group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all 
deeply grateful for them.

May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy 
continue to speak for him many years from now.

Lynne

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BPS Software; Custom Links

[Mrs . Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello everybody

We will add these to our blog in due course, and to the main website. In the 
meantime, here are the custom link details for the BPS Software products 
discounted for Mac Access Dot Net members:

The discounted link for sArchiver, the best archiver utility for the Mac:



The custom link for sBackup is at:

this product is reduced in price at this URL from $19.99 to $14.99 (USD)

The URL for iTunes Controller 2 is at:
< http://bitpersecond.com/bps/itunescontroller2_macaccessnet.html>
discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD)

The custom URL for @nonymous is at:

discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD)

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thoughts on iPhone 4S

[william lomas]

hi what do people here think then of the iPhone 4s? anyone going to upgrade 
from the 4 if they have one?
to only get voice recognition a faster supposedly processor which will make 
battery life worse in my view these benchmarks are nothing to go buy and an 
eight mp camera when we have no OCR for it isn't worth it.
THe fact that the rest of IOS five can run well on a 3gs, or a 4, is testament 
to it but i would like siri on my phone why should i spend more money just to 
ge that?
all apple want is money I going to go i think with android next year
my upgrade is due next year not this. 
if we can though use the apple remote and mike headphones to press a button and 
say, text lyn to say i am running late as we on the road that's great but if 
have to stop, take phone out pocket hold down a button and speak then put phone 
away and continue on route it is silly but i do want a faster way to type as 
texting take forever in my view on an ios device, but what are peoples thoughts?
maybe i am missing reasons to upgrade but the price is too high apple need to 
live in the real world we are in hard times, who wants to spend money on a 
phone that hardly offers anything new?

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Re: BPS Software

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Mike

Try the root of the site,  for a list of their 
products. Amongst which are sArchiver, the best archive tool on the Mac, and 
sBackup another backup utility.

Don't buy directly from there or you won't get the discount if you opt to buy 
anything. Let me know and I'll send the custom links for our members again.

There are trials of all of their software available.

Lynne

On 6 Oct 2011, at 06:19, michael maslo wrote:

Hi list:

What type of software do they have?
I went to the web site and saw art for computers. Is that what they sell or is 
there more?

Thanks in advance.On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
wrote:

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Re: BPS Software

[michael maslo]

Hi list:

What type of software do they have?
 I went to the web site and saw art for computers. Is that what they sell or is 
there more?

Thanks in advance.On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, 
> we here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your 
> licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration 
> data. All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if 
> required, I can send you again and then we will issue your licenses if you 
> don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do 
> the rest for you right away.
> 
> Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in 
> the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. 
> Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be 
> more than happy to assist if required.
> 
> Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access 
> Dot Net, and visa versa):
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> all Mac Access Dot Net members.
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Re: Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget!

[Lyn & Twinny]

I was very sad to read the news too.  Lynne, you are so right, we would all be 
stuck in the Microsoft world and paying out the nose had Steve Jobs not done 
everything he has done.  All I can say is a big, big thank you to Steve Jobs.  
He will be sorely missed and forever remembered.  May his soul rest in peace, 
yes, certainly in a much better world than this one.

life is very precious, and we should all try to live it to the full and above 
all, show respect to others, whether we like them or not.  Show some gratitude 
to those who go out of their way to help, be good to others and help each other 
instead of ignoring and spreading hatred around.

Rest in peace Steve Jobs and thank you ever so much.

Lyn, Canelle & Epi

On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:11 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing 
> away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each 
> and every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his 
> determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether 
> we use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. 
> Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through 
> the nose for what we often take for granted.
> 
> Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the 
> lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for 
> him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the 
> group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all 
> deeply grateful for them.
> 
> May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy 
> continue to speak for him many years from now.
> 
> Lynne
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BPS Software

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello everybody

Those people interested in the purchase of any of the BPS Software products, we 
here at Mac Access are now very pleased to tell you that we can issue your 
licences ourselves so you need no longer worry about missing registration data. 
All you need to do is buy the products using the custom links which, if 
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don't receive them immediately. All you need do is contact us, and we'll do the 
rest for you right away.

Be advised that we will never ask you for money. Your payment can be taken in 
the usual way via PayPal and we don't need to see any of your personal data. 
Everything can be automated until the license creation stage; where we'll be 
more than happy to assist if required.

Remember that this developer, (who is now an official partner of Mac Access Dot 
Net, and visa versa):

strives to bring you quality yet affordable software. We are proud to be 
associated with this small Mac-dedicated developer who is very keen to make all 
of his products accessible and to make them available at a discount for all Mac 
Access Dot Net members.


Lynne

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Steve Jobs; Let Us Never Forget!

[Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith]

Hello everybody

It was with the greatest of regret that Gordon and I learned of the passing 
away of Steve Jobs yesterday. Steve will long be remembered I think by each and 
every one of us on this list; as, without his efforts, his vision and his 
determination, we would none of us be in the position we are today. Whether we 
use Macs, iOS devices or both, we are all beneficiaries of Steve's work. 
Without it we'd all be stuck in the Microsoft net and all be paying through the 
nose for what we often take for granted.

Steve, whether we knew him personally or not, has had a huge impact upon the 
lives of millions upon millions of people around the globe. Were it not for 
him, this list would not exist. The very fact that the servers powering the 
group are running OSX is testimony to his efforts and I am sure we are all 
deeply grateful for them.

May Steve rest in peace in a better place than this world; and may his legacy 
continue to speak for him many years from now.

Lynne

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Re: iphone 4s

[michael maslo]

Have tried it before.


On Oct 5, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Android may not have every single accessibility feature the iphone does, but 
> I can easily complete the same task on both platforms, and sometimes android 
> is faster, have you actually tried android or are you saying this from what 
> you have heard?
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
> 
>> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
>> accessibility.
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The 
>> ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as 
>> much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has 
>> had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn 
>> directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also 
>> more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many 
>> of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is 
>> important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, 
>> and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared 
>> to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
>>> for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
>>> blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
>>> navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
>>> phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
>>> available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they 
>>> cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun 
>>> in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
>>> slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
>>> can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would 
>>> I want it? 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
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Re: iphone 4s

[Mike Arrigo]

Android may not have every single accessibility feature the iphone does, but I 
can easily complete the same task on both platforms, and sometimes android is 
faster, have you actually tried android or are you saying this from what you 
have heard?
On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
> accessibility.
> 
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The 
> ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. 
> Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had 
> this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn 
> directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also 
> more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of 
> the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is 
> important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, 
> and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared 
> to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
>> for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
>> blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
>> navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
>> phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
>> available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? 
>> In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in 
>> tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
>> slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
>> can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I 
>> want it? 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Audio Hijack Pro Question.

[Sarah Alawami]

Yu will need to run it thrugh sound flower. Sicne this does not come wiht audio 
hijmack anymore, or the last time I checked it did not, you can download it 
from the google code page. I t has not been updated in for ever though but it 
still works with lion. Sound flower is like a vertual audio cable with up to 16 
channels, although I have never used it that way and don't really know how lol1

Take care all.
On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> The record button is command plus r.  Now I have a question of my own.  What 
> settings do I need to configure if I want everyone on a skype call to hear 
> everything I'm doing with my system?  I'm talking itunes, safari, and voice 
> over.  Thanks.
> Kliphton SR
> (twitter&Skype) kliphton72
> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com
> (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Can't answer your last point.
>> 
>> Regarding when scheduling, by default both "Hijack" and "Record" options are 
>> enabled, you must "Hijack" a source in order that it be recorded with the 
>> "Record" function.  If you press the "Record" button the "Hijack" button 
>> will also be pressed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
>>> Hi Folks:
>>> 
>>> If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the 
>>> record options initiated or just the record option.
>>> 
>>> On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a 
>>> shortcut key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something 
>>> wrong.
>>> 
>>> One more thing:  how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded?
>>> 
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Re: Steve Jobs, may he rest in peace

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Rest in piece Steve!

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RIP Steve Jobs

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It's official. Steve Jobs, 56, died today.  I never knew the man, but I had a 
lot of respect for him.  I bought an iBook G4 back when Tiger first came out.  
I used it to get through my last year of college, and it kept on trucking till 
after the polls closed when President Obama was elected.

I've worked on a Mac Mini, an iMac, and now a MacBook Pro.  I also have an 
iPad.  It's thanks to his vision and willingness to include us that we have all 
this technology from Apple today.  He'll be missed.

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Re: Audio Hijack Pro Question.

The record button is command plus r.  Now I have a question of my own.  What 
settings do I need to configure if I want everyone on a skype call to hear 
everything I'm doing with my system?  I'm talking itunes, safari, and voice 
over.  Thanks.
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On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Can't answer your last point.
> 
> Regarding when scheduling, by default both "Hijack" and "Record" options are 
> enabled, you must "Hijack" a source in order that it be recorded with the 
> "Record" function.  If you press the "Record" button the "Hijack" button will 
> also be pressed.
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
>> Hi Folks:
>> 
>> If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the 
>> record options initiated or just the record option.
>> 
>> On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut 
>> key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong.
>> 
>> One more thing:  how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded?
>> 
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Hi Folks:

Any tips on using messaging in Skype?  I can't seem to get the hang of it.

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Re: iphone 4s

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I also want to know how a android is more accessible then a iPhone. I think 
that is probably the most ludacrist statement made.
I know that both coat factory and talks are both working on a fix to work with 
the android platform.

I never have been a fan of third party software to make anything accessible. I 
also realize off topic so I will say nothing else about this topic.then a 
iPhone. That is probably the
On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:08 AM, Dane trethowan wrote:

> I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but your 
> comment is very subjective.  Some may say that the Android devices are - in 
> some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're seeing steady 
> progress as development in this area continues.
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
>> accessibility.
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The 
>> ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as 
>> much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has 
>> had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn 
>> directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also 
>> more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many 
>> of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is 
>> important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, 
>> and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared 
>> to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
>>> for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
>>> blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
>>> navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
>>> phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
>>> available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they 
>>> cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun 
>>> in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
>>> slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
>>> can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would 
>>> I want it?
>>> 
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done at Apple and for his visionary insite which has allowed me along with many 
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Re: more on PDF bug.

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Unfortunately that doesn't alter anything Zack.  I've also played with the 
various zooming options under the "view" menu, and while the point at which the 
"more" sound occurs changes, it never seems to get the entire page squeezed in. 
 I'll ask a sighted colleague I  think if the entire page is fitting onto the 
screen.

Cheers.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 23:23, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Donal,
> Perhaps the window is too small to show everything? I'd try hitting the Zoom 
> button to enlarge the window to its maximum size, and reading again. The only 
> other instance I can think of where I heard that sound was in a case like 
> this with another program.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF 
>> page is the VO "more available" sound.  Anyone any idea why I'm getting this 
>> rather than the entire contents of the page?
>> 
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Re: more on PDF bug.

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Hi Donal,
Perhaps the window is too small to show everything? I'd try hitting the Zoom 
button to enlarge the window to its maximum size, and reading again. The only 
other instance I can think of where I heard that sound was in a case like this 
with another program.
Best,
Zack.
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> I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF 
> page is the VO "more available" sound.  Anyone any idea why I'm getting this 
> rather than the entire contents of the page?
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Folks,

I've realised that the high-pitched beep I'm hearing at the end of each PDF 
page is the VO "more available" sound.  Anyone any idea why I'm getting this 
rather than the entire contents of the page?

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Re: EPub..

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I've just downloaded it, preview is driving me insane!  It's cutting off chunks 
at the ends of pages.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:39, Esther wrote:

> Yes, the beta was released in July, and there are versions for both Mac and 
> Windows (with JAWS support).  Jane's correct that you'd be better off using 
> Stanza desktop if it's ePub without DRM.  Pressing the arrow key is still a 
> bit clunky, and I think that's true for both Mac and Windows versions of the 
> beta.
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> Cheers,
> 
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> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:30, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
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>> Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility.  
>> Thanks for that.
>> On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:30, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dónal,
>>> 
>>> I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM:
>>> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html
>>> It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version 
>>> with accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) 
>>> and you have to press the right arrow key to advance pages.  (You can make 
>>> the font really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.) 
>>>  You can use VO-Shift-C to copy text.  It's still a bit of a pain, so I 
>>> would probably read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's 
>>> an alternative.  Still, it's great that they're working on supporting 
>>> accessible reading of ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this 
>>> app.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  
 I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
 
 Cheers.
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Re: EPub..

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Yes, the beta was released in July, and there are versions for both Mac and 
Windows (with JAWS support).  Jane's correct that you'd be better off using 
Stanza desktop if it's ePub without DRM.  Pressing the arrow key is still a bit 
clunky, and I think that's true for both Mac and Windows versions of the beta.

Cheers,

Esther

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> Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility.  
> Thanks for that.
> On 5 Oct 2011, at 22:30, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal,
>> 
>> I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM:
>> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html
>> It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version 
>> with accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and 
>> you have to press the right arrow key to advance pages.  (You can make the 
>> font really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.)  You 
>> can use VO-Shift-C to copy text.  It's still a bit of a pain, so I would 
>> probably read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an 
>> alternative.  Still, it's great that they're working on supporting 
>> accessible reading of ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  
>>> I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
>>> 
>>> Cheers.
>> 

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Re: Reading PDF books with Ibooks

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Hi Dane,

You can mail PDF files as attachments to yourself, then open them in iBooks, or 
you can use Dropbox or MobileMe links to the files, or use direct download 
links on a web page and have them open up in iBooks.  If you want to do 
something fancier, like use zipped or archived files, you can use a file 
transfer app like Filer to open them, then transfer them to iBooks (or any 
other app that supports PDF reading on your device).  This has all worked for a 
while for  PDF files.  The same methods work for ePub files since about April, 
I think, when iBooks was updated to recognize ePub files.  I've used FileChute 
(paid program that I already had) on my Mac to send myself and others links to 
ePub or PDF files on my MobileMe account.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:25, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF 
> documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them?
> 
> 
> On 06/10/2011, at 8:22 AM, Jane wrote:
> 
>> I use Stanza available at
>> 
>> www.lexcycle.com
>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  
>>> I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
>>> 
>>> Cheers.

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Re: EPub..

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Cheers Esther, I hadn't heard they'd created a beta with accessibility.  Thanks 
for that.
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> 
> I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM:
> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html
> It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with 
> accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you 
> have to press the right arrow key to advance pages.  (You can make the font 
> really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.)  You can 
> use VO-Shift-C to copy text.  It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably 
> read your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative.  
> Still, it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of 
> ePub and PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:15, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  I 
>> have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
>> 
>> Cheers.
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Re: EPub..

[Zachary Kline]

There's a program on the Mac App Store called iText Express, which among other 
things is a good ePub reader.
Best,
Zack.
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>> Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  I 
>> have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
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Re: Reading PDF books with Ibooks

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Hi Dane,
Open iTunes and hit cmd-o to add files to your library. Select the file or 
folder containing the PDFs in question and add them the way you would music, 
and they'll appear in the proper category.
You can also open PDFs in Safari on the iPad, and they can be added through a 
button on that screen.
Best,
Zack.
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> On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF 
> documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them?
> 
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>>> Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  
>>> I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
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Re: Reading PDF books with Ibooks

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You just add them to your iTunes library and tell iTunes which ones to sort.  
In my case, iTunes syncs all my ebooks.  I haven't actually read a PDF yet, but 
I plan to once I get my books organized. I have over 1,000 to sort into 
collections.

Jane


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> documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them?
> 
> 
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>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
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>>> Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  
>>> I have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
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Re: EPub..

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Thanking you.
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>> have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
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Re: EPub..

[Esther]

Hi Dónal,

I'm using Adobe Digital Editions Preview in the 1.8 beta for ePub with DRM:
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/digitaleditions1-8.html
It will work with regular ePub, but since this is the first beta version with 
accessibility support, not all features are supported (notes, etc.) and you 
have to press the right arrow key to advance pages.  (You can make the font 
really small so that you don't have to press to advance as often.)  You can use 
VO-Shift-C to copy text.  It's still a bit of a pain, so I would probably read 
your DRM-free PDF versions with another app, if that's an alternative.  Still, 
it's great that they're working on supporting accessible reading of ePub and 
PDF files with Adobe ADE DRM through this app.

Cheers,

Esther
 

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> have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.
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Preview bug.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

I've meant to post on this for some time but I kept forgetting to do so.

So here's the scenario.  I open a file in Preview (needless to say a PDF).  
There are a few things:

1.  I like to view documents in single page mode (makes referencing them in 
bibliographic entries easier).  However, each time I open the file the view is 
set to "continuous".
2.  I set VO to read each page.  HOwever, the end of each page is actually cut 
off and a brief high-pitched beep is heard.  It's usualy only the last few 
words, but can be as much as a line.

Anyone else encountered this?

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Reading PDF books with Ibooks

[Dane Trethowan]

On a somewhat different but nevertheless related matter, how do you add PDF 
documents to Ibooks on the Ipad and read them?


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Re: EPub..

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I use Stanza available at

www.lexcycle.com
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EPub..

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Just a quick query.  What are people using to read ePub files on the mac?  I 
have it in PDF as well if there's no decent app.

Cheers.
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Re: Audio Hijack Pro Question.

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Can't answer your last point.

Regarding when scheduling, by default both "Hijack" and "Record" options 
are enabled, you must "Hijack" a source in order that it be recorded 
with the "Record" function.  If you press the "Record" button the 
"Hijack" button will also be pressed.




On 6/10/2011 3:18 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Folks:

If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record 
options initiated or just the record option.

On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut 
key for recording; is that a known issue, or am I doing something wrong.

One more thing:  how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded?

Thanks all over the place gang.

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Audio Hijack Pro Question.

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Hi Folks:

If one schedules a recording in Audio Hijack Pro, is the Hijack and the record 
options initiated or just the record option.

On another point:  I am having a problem assigning the F19 key as a shortcut 
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One more thing:  how does one when something is being hijacked and recorded?

Thanks all over the place gang.

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Re: More On iOS List

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I requested responses off, not on list. This is now a dead issue anyway.

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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

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only started playing with it yesterday.  Very straightforward.  Whether it 
captures rich media well is open to debate.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:35, Carolyn Wagner wrote:

> Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? 
> Any known issues?
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> It's actually both.  It comes as part of the OS which is installed on 
>> various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the 
>> chrome webstore.
>> 
>> hth.
>> On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on 
>>> certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I 
>>> occasionally use on my mac?
>>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 
 The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
 concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) 
 it's not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
 
 Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt 
 as modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
 
 1.  navigation.
 
 I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
 haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
 object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over 
 a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise 
 a phrase from the user-manual).
 
 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. 
 However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  
 So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed 
 by) ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to 
 "key-lock" on VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured 
 it's there.
 
 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a "table mode" 
 however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
 execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where 
 arrow is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, 
 I'm just not a big fan.
 
 What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
 Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken 
 utterance.  I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  
 Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted 
 themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if 
 they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet.
 
 All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
 iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, 
 Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can 
 easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward 
 to trying it with google-docs.
 
 All the best,
 
 Dónal
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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

[Carolyn Wagner]

Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? 
Any known issues?
On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> It's actually both.  It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various 
> netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome 
> webstore.
> 
> hth.
> On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote:
> 
>> Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on 
>> certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I 
>> occasionally use on my mac?
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
>>> concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) 
>>> it's not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
>>> 
>>> Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt 
>>> as modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
>>> 
>>> 1.  navigation.
>>> 
>>> I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
>>> haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
>>> object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over 
>>> a page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a 
>>> phrase from the user-manual).
>>> 
>>> 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. 
>>> However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  
>>> So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed 
>>> by) ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to 
>>> "key-lock" on VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured 
>>> it's there.
>>> 
>>> 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a "table mode" 
>>> however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
>>> execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where 
>>> arrow is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, 
>>> I'm just not a big fan.
>>> 
>>> What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
>>> Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. 
>>>  I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  Secondly, each 
>>> time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to 
>>> default rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and 
>>> stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet.
>>> 
>>> All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
>>> iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, 
>>> Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can 
>>> easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward 
>>> to trying it with google-docs.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
>>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hello,

It's actually both.  It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various 
netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore.

hth.
On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote:

> Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain 
> hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I 
> occasionally use on my mac?
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
>> concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) 
>> it's not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
>> 
>> Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt 
>> as modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
>> 
>> 1.  navigation.
>> 
>> I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
>> haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
>> object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over a 
>> page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a 
>> phrase from the user-manual).
>> 
>> 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, 
>> they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  So for 
>> example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) 
>> ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on 
>> VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there.
>> 
>> 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a "table mode" 
>> however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
>> execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where 
>> arrow is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, I'm 
>> just not a big fan.
>> 
>> What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
>> Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance.  
>> I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  Secondly, each 
>> time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to 
>> default rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and 
>> stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet.
>> 
>> All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
>> iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, 
>> Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can easily 
>> see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying 
>> it with google-docs.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
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Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.

[Carolyn Wagner]

Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain 
hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally 
use on my mac?
On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting 
> concept indeed.  However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's 
> not really a surprise.  He has always been extraordinarily creative.
> 
> Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as 
> modifier keys.  These are the same as the VO keys.
> 
> 1.  navigation.
> 
> I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists.  For those who 
> haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, 
> object, sentence word or character.  So you can skim (metaphorically) over a 
> page, find the portion you're looking for then "zoom in" (to plagiarise a 
> phrase from the user-manual).
> 
> 2.  The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, 
> they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes.  So for 
> example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) 
> ctrl-alt-h.  On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to "key-lock" on 
> VO.  I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there.
> 
> 3.  I find table navigation cumbersome.  One can switch to a "table mode" 
> however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to 
> execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow 
> is the direction you wish to move to.  Now I understand the logic, I'm just 
> not a big fan.
> 
> What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity.  
> Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance.  
> I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off.  Secondly, each time 
> I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default 
> rate, volume and pitch.  Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I 
> just haven't come across the settings yet.
> 
> All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future 
> iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative.  For me, Safari 
> does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it.  I can easily see how 
> people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with 
> google-docs.
> 
> All the best,
> 
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Re: Dropbox help and beta location

[Sarah Alawami]

Really? I'm not getting the updates at all. and I downloaded the latest public 
beta. Using the king of beasts here as my os.

Take care all.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> 
>   I found the latest Dropbox Beta and it is number 1.2 something and I 
> was running 1.1 something.  I now seem to be up and running correctly.  Also, 
> a bonus Dropbox seems to be giving me more feedback.  When the files are 
> updated I get a announcement telling me how many files have changed.  When I 
> deleted a folder another announcement popped up with details.  It seemed to 
> be working well with voice over.  I'm not using growl so this was all part of 
> the Dropbox update. 
> 
> I did find the tip about running the app from the disk image helpful.  I had 
> to use the volume that opened on the desktop.  I also made sure the old 
> Dropbox was closed by closing it in activity monitor.  
> 
> Eric Caron  
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> About six weeks ago I installed DropBox 1.1.43 which was then the current 
>> public release.  Following these lists I was under the impression that I 
>> would need to install a beta, but perhaps their accessibility improvements 
>> made it to the public release by the time I finally took off my SendSpace 
>> blinders and decided to give DropBox a try.
>> 
>> As you probably already know, you need to install from the disk image, but 
>> so far that was my only glitch.
>> 
>> You probably already tried this but I noticed that interacting with the file 
>> affects my available choices in the context menu.  After interacting with a 
>> file in my public folder, and pressing vo-shift-m for the context menu, I 
>> see a dropbox submenu which includes an option to copy the file link within.
>> 
>> If this is not showing up for you, perhaps you might want to try 
>> reinstalling DropBox from scratch?
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Eric Caron 
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:48 PM
>> Subject: Dropbox help and beta location
>> 
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> I'm using Lyon and am having Dropbox trouble.  I can not find the Dropbox 
>> option item in the context menu in the public folder.  thus I can't send a 
>> file that way.  Also my shared folders seem to no longer be working.
>> 
>> I fixed this problem many weeks ago by installing a Beta.  Now it seems all 
>> broken again.  Is there a newer Beta out there?  I would love a link or a 
>> web site.  I went to dropbox but did not see the beta.  I tried the current 
>> version there but my computer said it was a older version when I went to put 
>> it into my applications folder.  So I did not use it,
>> Any dropbox tips for me?  Or, a lead on where the latest beta is hiding?
>> 
>> eric Caron
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Re: More On iOS List

[Sarah Alawami]

yeah, plus there 2 out there already that are already very good. one with over 
900 members and one with about 250. I h joined the sma;;er of the 2 as 
thousands of messages during the night was not keeping me happy lol!
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> Hello again everybody
> 
> Well, that brought quite a lot of response, so thank you. Actually, Gordon 
> and I both feel that there's no need for another iOS list, since this one 
> already has facilities for both the discussion of Mac and iOS. But we were 
> approached by a member, so we thought we'd give people the opportunity to 
> respond.
> 
> So we'll leave things as they are, since this group already covers both iOS 
> and Mac OS.
> 
> Again, we were just acting on feedback but I don't think there's much point 
> in re-inventing the wheel. :)
> 
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Re: web design software

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hello Travis

To be absolutely and totally fair, it could very well be; in fact, it probably 
is the case that I'm simply not familiar enough with the concepts. But I just 
wonder what are the advantages in 'forcing' the dimensions of a table rather 
than allowing the browser to automatically render itm, as most modern browsers 
are able to do.

For example, here's the code which I used in a table that Gordon knocked up a 
while ago manually and which I used in my recent Jawbone Jambox review. Note 
that this table is designed to be accessible, which is why we use a top aligned 
caption:


access_caption

header1
Header2
Header3


Item1
Item2
Item3



Now, that seems to work fine with obvious adjustments made so that the header 
and data rows contain the appropriate values. as for the forms, they seem a 
little more complex. But yes I guess the idea of creating a template blank form 
is a workable solution. I do totally agree with you though about the various 
viewing options for your coe. It also gives you the ability with a single 
keystroke to call up your browser so that you can see it in a real-world type 
of situation. So I would definitely agree with you that Taco does have some 
very interesting and more than usable functionality.

But all the same, I think that an equivalent to Adobe DreamWeaver CS5.5 on Mac 
OS X would be an invaluable tool. I'm toying with the idea of buying another 
version of that actually because on other platforms it's quite accessible I 
gather.

iWeb which, as we all know, is already nailed into its coffin, never was 
accessible. Selecting templates without vision just wasn't possible and as far 
as I am aware there was never any way to know where and how your code was being 
inserted even if you got that far.

So this is actually still a market we're exploring to see if we can find some 
kind of intuitive alternative. Sandvox works well for me personally; but I 
won't use it because it isn't accessible for Gordon and those like him who need 
VoiceOver support. Yeah; I could be selfish and say "well, I'll handle the 
design work" and that'd be an end to it.  But I don't see that as viable 
because it doesn't allow you to interchange editors to work on your website. 
You use Sandvox and that's an end to it. It also is another one of those 
editors which introduces an awful lot of clutter in the way of images and 
extraneous code.

I'm most definitely not an expert in the field of web design, and heaven forbid 
that I'd ever claim to be. But I think I upset the president of the company 
which produces Sandvox a couple of weeks ago when I made that point to him. Why 
should every website you want to work on be littered with all that junk in the 
background. Images obviously slow down the browser when it comes to processing 
websites and the Sandvox solution which was to simply create a black and white 
website is just plain stupid.

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Re: mud client for the mac

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squidsoft.net's ip address is: 65.5.228.114.
You'd simply make an entry like this in the .muddle file

site="squid" addr="65.5.228.114" port="" init="squid1"
then you'd type (from muddle's command prompt)
connect squid
It would then connect to the mud, and run the init commmands you've  
placed in the squid1 configuration section.

The squid1  entry might look like this:

in="squid1" out="guest^Jguest^J"

This would send guest twice after muddle connected to the mud,  
thereby filling in both the username and password for the mud.
The carrot symbol is a shifted number 6, and the J (must be upper  
case) is a line feed character, and is required after each command  
you wish to send to the mud.
a carrot M might work too, but depending on the raw state of the  
socket, it may or may not behave properly, so I always use a line  
feed char instead. :)

Anyway, it's really not as complicated as it sounds here.
On the other hand, you can use telnet to make your connection too.
under terminal, open a new connection, and just type in (as you did)  
mudname portnumber, and that will connect you as well, no need for a  
mud client.  The advantage of a client is the ability to have  
triggers, macros, and let the client keep track of your login  
information.
Telnet worked years before clients existed, and will probably still  
work for years to come too, so if the whole mud client thing doesn't  
work for you, that's ok, telnet can do the job.


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Re: mud client for the mac

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Muddle is a terminal app, this means that you need to edit terminal  
files to use it.
Text edit will edit these files, but it will require a little manual  
work.
First option is to load the muddle.sample into text edit, change your  
aliases, triggers, and connections, then save it again, rename the  
muddle.sample file to dot muddle (that's the word muddle preceeded by  
a period) which will make it invissible to finder, so subsequent  
edits will take a bit of fancy footwork. :)
As for using ip addresses instead of domain names, this is an  
artifact of the way muddle connects to it's hosts, (again, something  
I'll fix as soon as I get the other issues worked out)
To find the ip address of a mud, you'll need to use nslookup (not  
recomended lately) or whois.
I prefer nslookup, because it returns *only* the ip address, where as  
whois gives all kinds of other info as well, which isn't relevant to  
your current case, but the advantage of whois is that it can be run  
from a web browser or any other whois client (and there's tons of  
them) so it is easier for folks to hunt down the required info.


There are examples of all of the things muddle can do in the sample  
configuration file, so you can take those and modify them to do what  
you like.
It's certainly not the easiest client to use, but the advantage is  
that it loads, and gets out of your way, so you can do your mudding  
without having to concern yourself with anything but the mud in  
question.
I don't mud very often, but when I do, muddle lets me have multiple  
muds open and keep track of all of them with a few simple commands.   
That's my primary reason for using it.


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Re: web design software

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On Oct 4, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:



Have you got Taco to effectively function with tables and forms? We  
find that in the case of tables, it appears to add a lot of  
unnecessary clutter. But we haven't managed to get it to do  
anything at all with forms which is a shame; because currently that  
aspect of design is proving to be a pretty major stumbling block in  
a project Gordon's working on.

Tables? Really?
When I want to add a table, I click the table option, fill in rows  
and columns, and it produces a blank table with the dimensions I  
requested.  I'm not seeing any additional clutter at all.  That's odd.
As for forms, taco html edit isn't very intelligent about forms.   
When you select a form, you also need to select whether it's an  
action, submit, a method, post, get, or the like.  It's a bit of a  
pain to get it to build a proper form w/o a lot of clicking on  
options.  As a result, I generally avoid taco's form generation, and  
just paste in my own or write it from scratch as I go.
This is part of the reason I mentioned that taco html editor may not  
be the best solution for folks who don't have a great deal of  
experience with html editing, as it does tend to require you to know  
more than an average html editor does, but for me, this is great,  
because it means  I'm not going to get extraneous html code inserted  
into my document as so many other editors tend to do which irritates  
me to no end.
I believe you can add costum snippets into the editor as well, so you  
could have Gordon insert a blank form skeleton into the editor, then  
select it from the list when he needed a form instead of having to go  
through, and select all the parts of the form as required by taco.   
Otherwise though, I find it an excellent editor, even for php code,  
since it allows me to see my results right away w/o having to load  
safari first.
Don't know if this helps, but feel free to write again if I left  
anything out, or if something isn't clear.



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Re: iphone 4s

[Dane Trethowan]

Well I'm going to correct you slightly here, I didn't say it was more 
accessible I said that some people would consider it more accessible 
given that the interface is different and yep, I'll write you off list 
with further details.




On 5/10/2011 10:48 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

I seriusly love to hear how Android is more accessible. Maybe you'd
let me know off-list?

JT

On 05/10/2011, Dane trethowan  wrote:

I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but
your comment is very subjective.  Some may say that the Android devices
are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're
seeing steady progress as development in this area continues.



On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being
accessibility.

On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The
ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as
much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android
has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn
directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also
more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many
of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that
is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a
computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete
files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:


Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with
Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important
for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a
physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core
Android phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant
will be available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will
they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here,
no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger
screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth
devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why
on earth would I want it?

Mary

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Re: iphone 4s

[Jonathan Tyrer]

I seriusly love to hear how Android is more accessible. Maybe you'd
let me know off-list?

JT

On 05/10/2011, Dane trethowan  wrote:
> I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but
> your comment is very subjective.  Some may say that the Android devices
> are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're
> seeing steady progress as development in this area continues.
>
>
>
> On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being
>> accessibility.
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>
>> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The
>> ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as
>> much. Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android
>> has had this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn
>> directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also
>> more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many
>> of the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that
>> is important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a
>> computer, and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete
>> files. Compared to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
>> On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with
>>> Android for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important
>>> for us as blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a
>>> physical navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core
>>> Android phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant
>>> will be available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will
>>> they cost? In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here,
>>> no pun in tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger
>>> screen, slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth
>>> devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why
>>> on earth would I want it?
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
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Re: iphone 4s

[Dane trethowan]

I'm not going to comment much on this as its getting to be off topic but 
your comment is very subjective.  Some may say that the Android devices 
are - in some respects - more accessible than the IOS devices and we're 
seeing steady progress as development in this area continues.




On 5/10/2011 10:01 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
accessibility.

On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability 
to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, 
speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for 
quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this 
must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get 
me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is 
introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the 
ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a 
drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a 
bit restrictive.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:


Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android for 
blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as blind 
users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical navigation 
method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android phones with 8mp 
cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be available to me? Are they 
 gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? In other words, let us 
please compare apples and apples here, no pun in tended. I don't care if an all 
touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, slightly faster processor and lets me 
use external bluetooth devices. If I can't navigate and use the phone to its 
full potential, why on earth would I want it?

Mary

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Re: More On iOS List

[Gordon & Lynne]

Hello again everybody

Well, that brought quite a lot of response, so thank you. Actually, Gordon and 
I both feel that there's no need for another iOS list, since this one already 
has facilities for both the discussion of Mac and iOS. But we were approached 
by a member, so we thought we'd give people the opportunity to respond.

So we'll leave things as they are, since this group already covers both iOS and 
Mac OS.

Again, we were just acting on feedback but I don't think there's much point in 
re-inventing the wheel. :)

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Re: iphone 4s

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But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
accessibility.

On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability 
to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, 
speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for 
quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this 
must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get 
me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is 
introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the 
ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a 
drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a 
bit restrictive.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
> for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
> blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
> navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
> phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
> available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? 
> In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in 
> tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
> slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
> can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I 
> want it? 
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: Lists, a question

[Dane Trethowan]

Too many lists!

We already have at least 3 IOS lists as is.

As Mac and IOS devices are often integrated with each other anyway I don't see 
the point of starting a dedicated IOS list.

I even wonder at times as to the point of a Mac-access list? The list content 
is highly valued and its a good resource but what happens when someone wants to 
use Windows or another operating system on their Mac? Well the list ain't too 
good to them is it if they wish to rais points regarding Windows .


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> 
> I have been approached by a member with a view to establishing a list 
> dedicated to iOS-Access. Do others think it would be helpful to separate 
> mac-access and iO-Access? If so, we're more than happy to do so. We already 
> have the domain registered, so it would be no problem.
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Re: twitter

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

You can also get YoruFukurou off of the App Store.

http://itunes.apple.com/dk/app/yorufukurou/id428834068?mt=12

Additionally, here's the link to the application from their website.
http://aki-null.net/yf/YoruFukurou_SL.zip

This is the same as distributed on the App Store.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:21 AM, Ian McNamara wrote:

> Hi i use yaroo it is a good cliant and it updates instantly just type it in 
> to google it si called yaroo figuroo.
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Lists, a question

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Hello all

I have been approached by a member with a view to establishing a list dedicated 
to iOS-Access. Do others think it would be helpful to separate mac-access and 
iO-Access? If so, we're more than happy to do so. We already have the domain 
registered, so it would be no problem.

Please reply off list. .

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Re: Problem Downloading Google chrome

[David Griffith]

Thakns for advice.
Yes going back and selecting the language did then mean that the download 
commenced. It is odd that a more helpful message was not produced by the web 
page rather than a simple thanks for downloading a product that was not in fact 
downloading. A simple error message saying please select language would have 
been much less confusing.

Thanks again.

Now Ihave to go and find the link to  Chrome Box 

David Griffith
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On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:09, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I just tried again.  This time it worked.  Be very sure you select the 
> language for the browser before downloading.
> On 4 Oct 2011, at 18:05, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
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>> I just tried this and can verify the behaviour described.
>> On 4 Oct 2011, at 17:56, David Griffith wrote:
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>>> Dear list 
>>> after the favourable reviews of google chrome on the Mac I have now 
>>> attempted to download the application several times.
>>> I go to the download page and then click the agree and download button.
>>> I am then  taken to a page which thanks me for downloading google Chrome. 
>>> I have now followed this link 6 times and still nothing has been downloaded 
>>> into my downloads folder.
>>> To check that general Safari downloads are working I downloaded another 
>>> file, actually an mp3 file today, this went fine into my downloads folder.
>>> I have tried restarting my Mac.
>>> Pressing the downloads button in Safari does not result in any downloads 
>>> listed  for download.
>>> I am using the latest build of Webkit nightly build on Lion.
>>> 
>>> Does anybody have any idea as to why it is impossible for me to download 
>>> Google Chrome? 
>>> David Griffith
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