Re: fleksy is out!

[william lomas]

doens't say ipad ind escription though?

On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson  wrote:

> yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description and 
> price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or not 
> On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
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>> ok does it work on ipad?
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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>>> Here is there link. I just love this app!
>>> 
>>> http://fleksy.com/app
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Re: fleksy is out!

[krystal watson]

yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description and 
price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or not 
On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:

> ok does it work on ipad?
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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>> Here is there link. I just love this app!
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>> http://fleksy.com/app
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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

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I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without the 
screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a monitor 
is not attached, and somethimes preferences being busy, and unable to clear.


It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to compile 
a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. I  am 
taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have the good 
fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, uses VO all 
of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the mall, where it 
is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables and electrical 
outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. We seldom run 
into problems.


Diane
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Mac mini July 2011 screen question



Hi listers,

If all goes well I just purchased a late July 2011 mac Mini.  It comes 
with full size keyboard and magic mouse and two additional 4 gig sticks of 
ram.  so my first question is does this mini need a screen to function 
correctly?  If so I will want to start bargain  shopping soon.


next question is, are there folks out there using this model and do you 
have any good or bad feedback for me?  It came with Lyon and currently has 
2 gigs ram but I will put in the 8 gigs when it arrives.


Tips on mid 2011 Mac Mini's wanted.

Eric Caron
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Re: fleksy is out!

[william lomas]

ok does it work on ipad?

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fleksy is out!

[Sarah Alawami]

Here is there link. I just love this app!

http://fleksy.com/app

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Re: love my new i pad

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i have a i pad 3 smiley 
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> generation and also an iPad third generation.  We all have iPhone 4S's and 
> really like them.  The future's bright, the future's Apple.  That will set 
> bells ringing for UK residents who remember the advertisements of a certain 
> international mobile phone provider. :)
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Re: love my new i pad

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Hello Krystal

I am in the fortunate position of being the proud owner of an iPad first 
generation and also an iPad third generation.  We all have iPhone 4S's and 
really like them.  The future's bright, the future's Apple.  That will set 
bells ringing for UK residents who remember the advertisements of a certain 
international mobile phone provider. :)

Gordon

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i love my new i pad its really awesome 
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Re: How do I do what's listed in the link?

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Nope. When i launch the itunes app store and view my purchases, i see update 
buttons and that's it. No hide buttons, so tabbing through won't work either. 
Anyone else got an idea? I'm out. There's got to be a way to access these.


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> Sarah
> 
> Can you not use mouse keys for this function?  I'm referring, of course, to 
> Mac OS and not iOS.  But I think that once you set it for your account not to 
> show these items it should synchronise across your devices.  Just a thought.  
> I seem to remember that so-call "Hover" items are known in Mac OS as 
> "Clickable" even though that term is technically incorrect.  The actual name 
> for "Clickables" is "On-Clicks".
> 
> Lots of websites use on-clicks these days so I simply can't believe that 
> there's no access to them. In fact, I just tried the app store and I find 
> that if I tab between purchased items, there is a "Hide" button which I can 
> press using the space bar and then all is well.
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> On 12 Jul 2012, at 22:22, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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> I just tried the swipe thing as indicated and it does not even remotely  work 
> in iOS. I remember this used two be accessible but apple once again broke 
> something.
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Re: How do I do what's listed in the link?

[Sarah Alawami]

Interesting. Yeah I was using vo keys. I don't know enough about the mouse keys 
to even try and use them lol! 

Here is the recording I did regarding this.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/itunes_hide_purches_no_go.mp3

I'll try the tab thing and see if that works. 

Take care and be safe.
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> Sarah
> 
> Can you not use mouse keys for this function?  I'm referring, of course, to 
> Mac OS and not iOS.  But I think that once you set it for your account not to 
> show these items it should synchronise across your devices.  Just a thought.  
> I seem to remember that so-call "Hover" items are known in Mac OS as 
> "Clickable" even though that term is technically incorrect.  The actual name 
> for "Clickables" is "On-Clicks".
> 
> Lots of websites use on-clicks these days so I simply can't believe that 
> there's no access to them. In fact, I just tried the app store and I find 
> that if I tab between purchased items, there is a "Hide" button which I can 
> press using the space bar and then all is well.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 12 Jul 2012, at 22:22, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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> I just tried the swipe thing as indicated and it does not even remotely  work 
> in iOS. I remember this used two be accessible but apple once again broke 
> something.
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Re: How do I do what's listed in the link?

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Sarah

Can you not use mouse keys for this function?  I'm referring, of course, to Mac 
OS and not iOS.  But I think that once you set it for your account not to show 
these items it should synchronise across your devices.  Just a thought.  I seem 
to remember that so-call "Hover" items are known in Mac OS as "Clickable" even 
though that term is technically incorrect.  The actual name for "Clickables" is 
"On-Clicks".

Lots of websites use on-clicks these days so I simply can't believe that 
there's no access to them. In fact, I just tried the app store and I find that 
if I tab between purchased items, there is a "Hide" button which I can press 
using the space bar and then all is well.

Gordon

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I just tried the swipe thing as indicated and it does not even remotely  work 
in iOS. I remember this used two be accessible but apple once again broke 
something.

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How to maximize battery-life when you travel | Macworld

[Sarah Alawami]

Most of the apps discussed here war discussed in former articles. Some of the 
adapters I've never heard of so happy reading.


http://www.macworld.com/article/1167631/how_to_maximize_battery_life_when_you_travel.html#lsrc.rss_howto

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RE: Sound output option wanted

[Ricky Prevatte]

Apple TV.

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I have a solution that I found out accidentally, but it is not cheap.

I have an airport express that I use to stream to my stereo in another room.
If you set itunes to play only from the express you still get voice over etc
coming from the mac, while music plays elsewhere.
Ian
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>   I'm wondering if there is a usB device for my Mac that I could use
to send my iTunes output to my stereo but keep voice over coming through my
computer or headphone jack.  Currently when playing music I need to have
Voice Over come through the stereo as well. 
> . 
> 
> Any suggestions for me on how to separate the output while maintaining
stability with Voice Over?
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Mac mini July 2011 screen question

[Eric Caron]

Hi listers,

If all goes well I just purchased a late July 2011 mac Mini.  It comes 
with full size keyboard and magic mouse and two additional 4 gig sticks of ram. 
 so my first question is does this mini need a screen to function correctly?  
If so I will want to start bargain  shopping soon.  

next question is, are there folks out there using this model and do you have 
any good or bad feedback for me?  It came with Lyon and currently has 2 gigs 
ram but I will put in the 8 gigs when it arrives. 

Tips on mid 2011 Mac Mini's wanted.

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Re: what is games centre and how do you use your points

[Sarah Alawami]

No. It will save achievements though.  I don't think you can use your points or 
achievements for anything but the score board.

Take care.
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Re: Naval Combat

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Hmm  All of my ships were vertical. How do you change orientation. there was a 
random ally place ships but I could not find  away to place them down manually 
or change the orientation. this made me loose big time.
On Jul 12, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Krystal and Matthew,
> 
> Naval Combat is an accessible iOS battleship game, which can be played either 
> as a single user against the program on an iPhone or iPod Touch, or in group 
> play through the Game Center.  I hadn't actually tried this game until 
> Krystal posted her question about using it on the iPad.  I downloaded this 
> app onto my iPad by treating it as though I were doing a new purchase from 
> the App Store. The behavior with VoiceOver is odd.  I was able to get this 
> into full screen mode, but although the game displays in portrait mode, just 
> like for the iPhone, VoiceOver announces this as "landscape" -- even when I 
> have orientation unlocked when I start this up.  Further, in order to flick 
> to the controls I have to flick up (instead of right) or down (instead of 
> left).  But the descriptions are still for the portrait mode play.  This is 
> extremely weird.  I think that someone who actively plays this game, and who 
> also has an iPad should write to the developer.
> 
> Matthew, the game has a board or 10 rows (labeled 1 through 10) and 10 
> columns (labeled a through j) on which 5 ships of different lengths are 
> placed either horizontally or vertically.  You'll hear announcements like 
> "ship, aircraft carrier, vertical, from i3 to i7" or "ship, battleship, 
> horizontal, from c4 to f4" that announce the random placement of these ships 
> on your board.  The positions and orientations of your ships are hidden from 
> your opponent, who will try to launch hits at various squares on your board 
> in attempts to get a hit on one of your ships.  You, in turn, will move about 
> your board, firing in an attempt to sink his ships, at their unknown 
> positions.  When you get a hit, you then try to follow up by striking 
> adjacent squares until you cover all parts of that ship.  You need to decide 
> whether the ship is horizontally or vertically oriented, based on your 
> current position on the board, and the positions of your previous misses or 
> strikes.  You each get points for each successful strike. When you sink a 
> ship, you'll be told what type of ship you destroyed, and the positions of 
> your strikes.  Each round ends when either you or your opponent succeeds in 
> sinking all five of the other's battleships.
> 
> HTH. Here's the URL if you're interested.  It was free for the day on July 4, 
> 2012, so I posted it to the list.  Hadn't tried playing this myself until 
> Krystal's question.
> •  Naval Combat by Jonas Eckhardt, Tobias Muehlbauer, Wolf Roediger GbR 
> ($0.99)
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/naval-combat/id408833350?mt=8
> 
> Krystal asked about contacting the developer for iPad use, and according to 
> their support web page, you can write to the developer at: 
> navalcom...@mindrecursion.com
> They also have a twitter account: @mindrecursion
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
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>> it will work on i phone i pad and i pod i think 
>> On 12/07/2012, at 11:08 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> What is Naval Combat, and on which systems will it work?
>>> 
>>> Matthew Chao
>>> 
>>> At 02:01 AM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
 it was much worse that that i can not even get the app to synk to the i 
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Re: Naval Combat

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Hi Krystal and Matthew,

Naval Combat is an accessible iOS battleship game, which can be played either 
as a single user against the program on an iPhone or iPod Touch, or in group 
play through the Game Center.  I hadn't actually tried this game until Krystal 
posted her question about using it on the iPad.  I downloaded this app onto my 
iPad by treating it as though I were doing a new purchase from the App Store. 
The behavior with VoiceOver is odd.  I was able to get this into full screen 
mode, but although the game displays in portrait mode, just like for the 
iPhone, VoiceOver announces this as "landscape" -- even when I have orientation 
unlocked when I start this up.  Further, in order to flick to the controls I 
have to flick up (instead of right) or down (instead of left).  But the 
descriptions are still for the portrait mode play.  This is extremely weird.  I 
think that someone who actively plays this game, and who also has an iPad 
should write to the developer.

Matthew, the game has a board or 10 rows (labeled 1 through 10) and 10 columns 
(labeled a through j) on which 5 ships of different lengths are placed either 
horizontally or vertically.  You'll hear announcements like "ship, aircraft 
carrier, vertical, from i3 to i7" or "ship, battleship, horizontal, from c4 to 
f4" that announce the random placement of these ships on your board.  The 
positions and orientations of your ships are hidden from your opponent, who 
will try to launch hits at various squares on your board in attempts to get a 
hit on one of your ships.  You, in turn, will move about your board, firing in 
an attempt to sink his ships, at their unknown positions.  When you get a hit, 
you then try to follow up by striking adjacent squares until you cover all 
parts of that ship.  You need to decide whether the ship is horizontally or 
vertically oriented, based on your current position on the board, and the 
positions of your previous misses or strikes.  You each get points for each 
successful strike. When you sink a ship, you'll be told what type of ship you 
destroyed, and the positions of your strikes.  Each round ends when either you 
or your opponent succeeds in sinking all five of the other's battleships.

HTH. Here's the URL if you're interested.  It was free for the day on July 4, 
2012, so I posted it to the list.  Hadn't tried playing this myself until 
Krystal's question.
•  Naval Combat by Jonas Eckhardt, Tobias Muehlbauer, Wolf Roediger GbR ($0.99)
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/naval-combat/id408833350?mt=8

Krystal asked about contacting the developer for iPad use, and according to 
their support web page, you can write to the developer at: 
navalcom...@mindrecursion.com
They also have a twitter account: @mindrecursion

Cheers,

Esther

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> it will work on i phone i pad and i pod i think 
> On 12/07/2012, at 11:08 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
> 
>> What is Naval Combat, and on which systems will it work?
>> 
>> Matthew Chao
>> 
>> At 02:01 AM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>>> it was much worse that that i can not even get the app to synk to the i pad 
>>> i am afraide

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Re: How do I do what's listed in the link?

[Sarah Alawami]

I just tried the swipe thing as indicated and it does not even remotely  work 
in iOS. I remember this used two be accessible but apple once again broke 
something.

Take care all and any advice would be appreciated.
On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Actually there is no hide link in the perch aces area and as for the iOS 
> thing you have to swipe and that does not work at all for me. As for the 
> hover area, there is none. you hover over the app. in the purchased.  section 
> in the iOS app store.
> On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> This is possible, but it depends on how your mouse follows voice over and 
>> also how the exact javascript to expose the hidden links works.  In any 
>> case, this process will be easier using the IOS inscructions. 
>> 
>> If for some reason this is not possible, and you have mouse follows VO then:
>> 
>> Go to the hover area, and then turn off cursor tracking.
>> 
>> If the javascript was written to conform to Section 508 of the ADA then the 
>> hover link must be accessible  with keyboard actions. In any case, once you 
>> turn off tracking, and do a list of links you should find the hide link.  I 
>> can't try this week, since I am only around iPhones. 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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>>> Nopers. It's what I love to call an epic fail so far. I can't do what the 
>>> link says to do. and i really want to hide these apps since I won't be 
>>> using them anymore. I got asked to review them so I downloaded them. lol! 
>>> 
>>> Take care all.
>>> On Jul 9, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>> 
 Sarah,
 
 
 Have you been successful in finding out how Voice-Over with Safari works 
 with hovers?
 
 
 Sean 
 On 07/07/2012, at 1:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> In the article it says to hover my curser over the  item I want to hide. 
> is this possible with voice over? the link is below.
> 
> Take care all.
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Re: Can VO speak page numbers while reading a pages document?

[James AUSTIN]

Hi TJ

As you read down your document, VO will announce the number of the current 
page. You can also create a table of contents, which I'll come to in a moment. 
However, the current level of access in Pages with VO, does not, as you've 
noticed, extend too far. Hopefully, this will change with the imminent release 
of Mountain Lion.

To create a Table of Contents, you first need to turn your section/chapter 
titles into headings. 

1.  Press Command+Shift+T to show the Styles Drawer.
2. Stop interacting with your document and use VO+Left arrow until you find the 
Styles Drawer
3. Interact with the Paragraph Styles Table
4. Use VO+Down Arrow  until you find Heading
5. Press VO+Space if you want to use this Heading. (Below this one are other 
heading levels)
6. Navigate to Shortcut Key which as a submenu. Here you can choose  from the 
available F keys.
7.  Once you've set your headings, stop interacting and navigating back to your 
document.
8. Once you've found the appropriate chapter and heading titles, simply press 
the relevant F key.
9. Create a blank page for your Table of Contents
10. Press Command+Option+I to bring up the Inspector.
11. Select the Document Radio Button Then select the TOC tab
12. You need to select the the various heading levels in the table. This should 
then create your TOC.

Hope this helps
James 

On 12 Jul 2012, at 20:45, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:

> Hi all,
> The subject line says it all.  Can VO be set to speak page numbers as you're 
> reading through a document in pages?  I need to fdetermine which page of my 
> document on which each of its sections begins, so I can write a table of 
> contents for the document.  I turned on text attributes in verbosity under 
> the VO utility, but that didn't do the trick.  Any suggestions would be 
> helpful.
> Thanks,
> T.J.
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Re: Current Temperature Pushed

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I downloaded an app called Fahrenheit on Tues. It does the same things as 
current temp. The format is a little different but it is completely accessible. 
I cost $0.99.
Karin

On Jul 11, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Desi Noller wrote:

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> 
> Current Temperature Pushed has been one of our favorite weather apps around 
> here, but for at least the last week or so, it hasn't been working.  I don't 
> know if this is a local problem, or if the app just no longer works!  Do any 
> of you use this app, and have you heard anything about what's wrong with it?  
> And, if we can't get this one working again, is there another simple weather 
> app that will display the same type of information and is very accessible?  
> We like it because it shows not only the temperature, but also the dew point 
> temperature.  Thanks!
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Re: Naval Combat

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it will work on i phone i pad and i pod i think 
On 12/07/2012, at 11:08 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:

> What is Naval Combat, and on which systems will it work?
> 
> Matthew Chao
> 
> At 02:01 AM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>> it was much worse that that i can not even get the app to synk to the i pad 
>> i am afraide
>> On 12/07/2012, at 6:44 AM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi Krystal,
>> >
>> > You wrote:
>> >> in the game Naval Combat are they going to make it a i pad app to? there 
>> >> is no way to contact the dev
>> >
>> > You should be able to use Naval Combat, like many other apps designed for 
>> > the iPhone, on the iPad. When you launch it, try to locate a button in the 
>> > bottom right corner of the screen when held in portrait mode that will be 
>> > announced as "Switch to full screen mode" and double tap it.  The app will 
>> > expand to fill the iPad screen.  The button in the bottom right corner 
>> > will now be announced as "Switch to normal mode" if you touch it. Leave 
>> > this button alone, so you can continue to easily use the app in full 
>> > screen mode.
>> >
>> > Some apps are designed as universal binaries, and will auto-detect when 
>> > they are used on an iPad, and either use the full screen version of the 
>> > iPhone screen design, or use a design that is specially tailored for the 
>> > iPad layout.
>> >
>> > According to their support web page, you can write to the developer at:
>> > navalcom...@mindrecursion.com
>> > They also have a twitter account: @mindrecursion
>> >
>> > HTH.  Cheers,
>> >
>> > Esther
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Re: Naval Combat

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What is Naval Combat, and on which systems will it work?

Matthew Chao

At 02:01 AM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
it was much worse that that i can not even get the app to synk to 
the i pad i am afraide

On 12/07/2012, at 6:44 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Krystal,
>
> You wrote:
>> in the game Naval Combat are they going to make it a i pad app 
to? there is no way to contact the dev

>
> You should be able to use Naval Combat, like many other apps 
designed for the iPhone, on the iPad. When you launch it, try to 
locate a button in the bottom right corner of the screen when held 
in portrait mode that will be announced as "Switch to full screen 
mode" and double tap it.  The app will expand to fill the iPad 
screen.  The button in the bottom right corner will now be 
announced as "Switch to normal mode" if you touch it. Leave this 
button alone, so you can continue to easily use the app in full screen mode.

>
> Some apps are designed as universal binaries, and will 
auto-detect when they are used on an iPad, and either use the full 
screen version of the iPhone screen design, or use a design that is 
specially tailored for the iPad layout.

>
> According to their support web page, you can write to the developer at:
> navalcom...@mindrecursion.com
> They also have a twitter account: @mindrecursion
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
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RE: Mudder

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Aww. I'm sorry to hear that! Both of my characters, Eponine and Ramie, are 
official newbie helpers, and especially lately, 1
of them is around for at least a few hours every day. If you'd ever want to 
give it another try, feel free to email me and
I'd be happy to log 1 of them on to help you. Also, a lot depends on when you 
gave it a try. They now have a completely
redesigned newbie area called Pumpkin Town. I prefer the old newbie area 
myself; that's what both of my characters used, but
I created characters just to learn about pumpkin town, and it really isn't that 
hard. Now, I have fairly decent mental maps
of most of the major cities, and my priestess has portals to all kinds of 
popular destinations.
So, if you or anyone else on this list are interested in giving Discworld 
another shot some day, please don't hesitate to get
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I tried that mud but could not get help from anyone very much to get started. 
It's a massive mud that disc world mud. I do
like the look of it though.

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