Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?

[Andrea Breier]

Thanks for all the help.   I was wanting to update iTunes to 11 and for some 
reason I never was prompted to update.  I wanted to force it to look for 
updates.

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?



Hi there!
Well are you asking for [to update iTunes] or update APPs that you've 
bought in iTunes!?
If you want to update iTunes as Sarah said but for Apps pick Apps in 
iTunes and it should tell you if you have some updates and if so you 
should find a button in there!

hth Colin
On 2 Jan 2013, at 23:59, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

Any other way to get to this menu?  I did control f 2 and nothing.  Can 
you pick up what I am trying to say, without me actually saying it on 
this list? LOL

Hugs, AJ

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- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: forsing iTunes to search for new updates?


Go to the iTunes menu in the menu bar with ctrl f2,  the arrow down to 
check for update and it will let you know if the app needs updating or 
not.


Tc.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Andrea Breier  wrote:

Okay I can't figure out how to force iTunes to check for updates.  Can 
some one help.  Thanks so much in advance.

Hugs, AJ

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Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?

[Sarah k Alawami]

You might thane to enable that in key board short cuts under Keyboard & Text 
Input.

Good luck.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Andrea Breier  wrote:

> Any other way to get to this menu?  I did control f 2 and nothing.  Can you 
> pick up what I am trying to say, without me actually saying it on this list? 
> LOL
> Hugs, AJ
> 
> Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love without 
> conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh often.
> 
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> Thank you.
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?
> 
> 
>> Go to the iTunes menu in the menu bar with ctrl f2,  the arrow down to check 
>> for update and it will let you know if the app needs updating or not.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Andrea Breier  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay I can't figure out how to force iTunes to check for updates.  Can some 
>>> one help.  Thanks so much in advance.
>>> Hugs, AJ
>>> 
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RE: pages questions

[Cathy]

Hi Danny,
(flushing with embarrassment>
Oh I know I should use the help file. My husband told me the same thing. But
I have been having trouble with that as well. when I had my husband come in
to show me how to use the help in Pages, he couldn't figure it out either.
But I will try the voiceover help and see how that goes. I sure don't mean
to be a bother.
But one of these days I will be the one answering rather than asking the
questions. You just wait and see!
Cathy
 


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Re: sighted mouse actions

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
I do not know if you've already done this but if not it might help!
In System pref's under Accessibility you can pick the display's section and go 
to the Cursor size and make the Cursor much larger to help with tracking its 
movements!
hth Colin

On 3 Jan 2013, at 00:22, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> Gordon, I'm referring to how sighted people use a mouse. I have enough 
> residual sight to, at  times, and in the right lighting, with the right 
> magnification, be able to track the mouse movement on screen. I want to know 
> the basic mouse button use so I can give it a try. I've never had a decent 
> enough monitor to bother with the mouse. Now, with the iMac 21 inch screen 
> right up to my nose I think I might be able to get some additional 
> accessibility via the mouse.
> 
> As I said, I assume:
> 
> 1)  selecting is done by holding the left mouse button and dragging across 
> the desired selection area, then releasing when done selecting.
> 2) selecting noncontiguous items is done by control left clicking the mouse 
> on the individual items to be selected.
> 3) Drag n' Drop is accomplished by left button down and hold on an item while 
> dragging to the desired drop point and releasing the left button.
> 
> 
> Have I got it right?
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon & Lynne" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: sighted mouse actions
> 
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>> Phikl
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>> On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:36, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
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>> I have a little residual sight, and with the great monitor on the iMac and 
>> the right contrast I can sometimes track the mouse pointer. I'd like to 
>> know, what it means to:
>> 1) select multiple items with the mouse.
>> I know that clicking the left mouse button is synonymous with VO shift 
>> spacebar. How would I (or a sighted person) select multiple adjacent or 
>> non-adjacent items? Does one hold down the left button and drag across the 
>> items? And, if the items aren't adjacent to each other, does one Control 
>> left-click each item?
>> 
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>> button and releasing it on the spot to drop?
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Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
Well are you asking for [to update iTunes] or update APPs that you've bought in 
iTunes!?
If you want to update iTunes as Sarah said but for Apps pick Apps in iTunes and 
it should tell you if you have some updates and if so you should find a button 
in there!
hth Colin
On 2 Jan 2013, at 23:59, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

> Any other way to get to this menu?  I did control f 2 and nothing.  Can you 
> pick up what I am trying to say, without me actually saying it on this list? 
> LOL
> Hugs, AJ
> 
> Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love without 
> conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh often.
> 
> NET SECURITY:  When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation 
> to erase all names and email addresses.  And send the message by using BCC 
> (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net.
> 
> Thank you.
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: forsing iTunes to search for new updates?
> 
> 
>> Go to the iTunes menu in the menu bar with ctrl f2,  the arrow down to check 
>> for update and it will let you know if the app needs updating or not.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Andrea Breier  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay I can't figure out how to force iTunes to check for updates.  Can some 
>>> one help.  Thanks so much in advance.
>>> Hugs, AJ
>>> 
>>> Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love 
>>> without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh 
>>> often.
>>> 
>>> NET SECURITY:  When forwarding email messages please consider your 
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>>> 
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Re: sighted mouse actions

[Phil Halton]

Gordon, I'm referring to how sighted people use a mouse. I have enough 
residual sight to, at  times, and in the right lighting, with the right 
magnification, be able to track the mouse movement on screen. I want to know 
the basic mouse button use so I can give it a try. I've never had a decent 
enough monitor to bother with the mouse. Now, with the iMac 21 inch screen 
right up to my nose I think I might be able to get some additional 
accessibility via the mouse.


As I said, I assume:

1)  selecting is done by holding the left mouse button and dragging across 
the desired selection area, then releasing when done selecting.
2) selecting noncontiguous items is done by control left clicking the mouse 
on the individual items to be selected.
3) Drag n' Drop is accomplished by left button down and hold on an item 
while dragging to the desired drop point and releasing the left button.



Have I got it right?

- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon & Lynne" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: sighted mouse actions



Phikl

Whose site are you referring too here?

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On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:36, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

I have a little residual sight, and with the great monitor on the iMac and 
the right contrast I can sometimes track the mouse pointer. I'd like to 
know, what it means to:

1) select multiple items with the mouse.
I know that clicking the left mouse button is synonamous with VO shift 
spacebar. How would I (or a sighted person) select multiple adjacent or 
non-adjacent items? Does one hold down the left button and drag across the 
items? And, if the items aren't adjacent to each other, does one Control 
left-click each item?


2) how about drag and drop? is that done by holding down the right mouse 
button and releasing it on the spot to drop?

Thanks
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Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?

[Andrea Breier]

Any other way to get to this menu?  I did control f 2 and nothing.  Can you 
pick up what I am trying to say, without me actually saying it on this list? 
LOL

Hugs, AJ

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without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh 
often.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?


Go to the iTunes menu in the menu bar with ctrl f2,  the arrow down to 
check for update and it will let you know if the app needs updating or 
not.


Tc.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Andrea Breier  wrote:

Okay I can't figure out how to force iTunes to check for updates.  Can 
some one help.  Thanks so much in advance.

Hugs, AJ

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without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh 
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Re: pages questions

[Danny Noonan]

Firstly, don't take this the wrong way but a lot of your questions will be 
answered by going through the help that is built into voiceover on the mac. 
There is a section spesifically on editing text that has lots of mac keyboard 
commands like what your looking for along with lots of other information. 
Between the builtin/online help and spesific google searches, I've found lots 
of simple answers to similar questions.

It's shift option left arrow to select the word to the left of the curser and 
shift option right arrow to select the word to the right of the curser. This to 
me makes so much sence and fits into the shift left arro shift right arrow 
selecting characters.


 the select paragraph command   is shift option up arrow to select the 
paragraph above the curser and shift option down arrow to select the paragraph 
below.  Also, a blank line is treated as a paragraph.  

As a point of interest, all these commands work when editing on the iPhone with 
a BT keyboard. I was able to double check them as I'm currently working 
entirely from my iPhone and my goodness is it easier with a good keyboard. It 
truely is a computer in your pocket and although I wouldn't want to give up my 
mac, this is doing a good enough job for now.

HTH

Danny:


Sent from my phone

On 03/01/2013, at 8:54 AM, "Cathy"  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I wanted to thank all who have answered my questions on Pages. Anne thanks
> for the answers to all my questions specifically. Andrea, your description
> of the insertion pointer was so on target for me. now, after reading your
> notes on how it works with the example you mentioned, the light bulb went
> off in my brain and I had that great feeling that comes when I finally "get
> it."  I've been practicing with this and still have to "think" about what I
> am doing, but it is great that I "know" what to do.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Now my next question for you kind folks:
> 
> I've been playing around in Pages attempting to select text to move, copy
> and paste, and realize that the shift key plus arrows will select characters
> and the shift up and down arrows will select lines. Great to know, but how
> do I select a word or paragraph.
> 
> Next question, when I open pages, I am not placed on the text area, so is
> there a VO command to move me there?
> 
> Thanks, once again. 
> Cathy
> 
> 
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RE: pages questions

[Cathy]

Hello,

I wanted to thank all who have answered my questions on Pages. Anne thanks
for the answers to all my questions specifically. Andrea, your description
of the insertion pointer was so on target for me. now, after reading your
notes on how it works with the example you mentioned, the light bulb went
off in my brain and I had that great feeling that comes when I finally "get
it."  I've been practicing with this and still have to "think" about what I
am doing, but it is great that I "know" what to do.




Now my next question for you kind folks:

I've been playing around in Pages attempting to select text to move, copy
and paste, and realize that the shift key plus arrows will select characters
and the shift up and down arrows will select lines. Great to know, but how
do I select a word or paragraph.

Next question, when I open pages, I am not placed on the text area, so is
there a VO command to move me there?

Thanks, once again. 
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Re: iTunes 11

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Gordon,
If you're looking for music in your library, you can type in what you're 
looking for, then hit the right arrow and find the results in a table.
Oh, first I made sure the songs button was selected, although I really don't 
know if this is necessary or not.  I just tried this to make double sure it 
works.  You can either right arrow or vo right arrow over to the results once 
you put in your search quarry into the box.  I looked for all my Enya stuff, 
for example, and it brought up the first four things, then there was a button 
for 85 more things.

hth,
Caitlyn

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> Hi Zack
> 
> OK, perhaps one of these people who say they like the interface better now 
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> tried that, it failed to find the item even though I knew it was present in 
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> VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible 
> for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on 
> the techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and 
> embracing the "groups of objects," metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. 
> Is this necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. 
> However, it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. 
> I wouldn't consider using any alternative media player myself.
> As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the 
> radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like 
> the row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might 
> actually resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know.
> YOurs,
> Zack.
> On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
>> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
>> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
>> helped a good deal.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM
>> Subject: iTunes 11
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
>>> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over 
>>> time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user. 
>>>  Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around 
>>> with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track 
>>> in the library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" 
>>> button, it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected 
>>> to find.  To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is 
>>> perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing 
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Re: Voiceover Training App

[chris h (sky)]

David if you touch the bottom right hand corner of the screen you should 
see something like the word go. Double tap on that and the page will 
load in Safari.


On 02/01/2013 15:22, David Griffith wrote:

Many thanks

This is a fantastically useful list and is sure to reduce the time I spend
ploughing through the user manual as I have been doing for the last couple
of days.

Is there anybody who can tell me how I can execute a command in an edit box?
Specifically in Safari I can get to the address edit box  but cannot tell
how to execute the URL after I have typed it in so that I can leave the edit
box and go the page when safari hopefully opens it. I have tried trying to
find an enter key but cannot find this on the screen anywhere.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
Sent: 02 January 2013 12:45
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Voiceover Training App

This is a wonderful collection of tips and tricks for navigating your
iDevice using the voice over gestures.  These were gathered and saved
intended for my own personal use and so these are without there source
information.  I can tell you that they all come from many of the wonderful
people on a list that gave their time to help others.



Here goes the gathered navigation tips:



Navigating the screen with vo



Checking the battery level

Status items are at the top of the screen

Starting at the left is the time and if you flick to the right the battery
level is next to time.

To exit the status area, just touch anywhere outside the status bar area.




Flicking left or right goes forward and back through the items on the screen
this is a good way to review all items on the screen



Double tapping with one finger opens applications



Swiping up or down with two fingers reads from current location to the top
or end of the screen



Double tapping with two fingers will start and stop reading or your iPod
books and music

Note when tapping with two fingers, you should leave a little space between
your fingers so that the sensor can tell that you are using two fingers to
tap.



Pressing the home button backs you out of the app you are in and takes you
back to the home screen

Pressing the home button twice takes you to the app switcher.

Pressing the home button from the home screen takes you to the spot light
search.  you can then type part or all of what you are looking for and a
list will be displayed then double tap on the item you want



Double tapping the status bar, for example on the clock, scrolls the current

screen to the top. This works in lists and web pages as well.



Generally, a swipe is done with one finger unless you are switching pages,
three finger swipe, going to the top or bottom of the screen, four finger
swipe, or scrolling vertically through a list, three finger swipe up or
down.  But, the regular swipe for moving through the entire screen an icon
at a time is done with one finger left or right.



All about vo gestures

When Voiceover is turned on, the standard touchscreen gestures have
different effects. These and some additional gestures let you move around
the screen and control individual elements when they're selected. Voiceover
gestures include two- and three-fingers gestures to tap or flick. For best
results when using two- and three-finger gestures, relax and let your
fingers touch the screen with some space between them.

You can use standard gestures when Voiceover is turned on, by double-tapping

and holding your finger on the screen. A series of tones indicates that
normal gestures are in force. They remain in effect until you lift your
finger. Then Voiceover gestures resume.

You can use different techniques to enter Voiceover gestures. For example,
you can enter a two-finger tap using two fingers from one hand, or one
finger from each hand. You can also use your thumbs. Many find the
"split-tap" gesture especially effective: instead of selecting an item and
double-tapping, you can touch and hold an item with one finger, then tap the

screen with another finger. Try different techniques to discover which works

best for you.

If your gestures don't work, try quicker movements, especially for
double-tap and flicking gestures. To flick, try quickly brushing the screen
with your finger or fingers. When Voiceover is turned on, the Practice
Gestures setting appears, which gives you a chance to practice Voiceover
gestures before proceeding.

   a.. Practice gestures: In Settings, choose General > Accessibility >
Voiceover, then tap Practice Voiceover Gestures. When you're finished
practicing, double tap done.




Summary of key Voiceover gestures:

Navigate and Read

   a.. Tap: Speak item.
   b.. Flick right or left: Select the next or previous item.
   c.. Flick up or down: Depends on the Rotor Control setting. See Rotor
Control.
   d.. Two-finger tap: Stop speaking the current item.
   e.

Re: Mac Windows and JAWS

[Gordon & Lynne]

Hi

Just to remind the group before anybody does respond to this, we don't discuss 
Jaws and Windows configurations here.  However, it is safe to tell you that 
when in Windows you do as you do on a PC.  Forget Parallels andm, in my 
opinion, Boot Cam as well.  Fusion will probably give you the best MS 
experience on a Mac.



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On 2 Jan 2013, at 20:26, "Todd"  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
If you use parallels to set up windows on the Mac, can you still use Voiceover 
or do you have to use JAWS when switching to windows?  Does Bootcamp work 
better then parallels or are they the same? I'm just trying to eliminate a 
second computer while I make the transition to the Mac mini.
Thanks
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Re: Mac Windows and JAWS

[cait furness]

Paralells isn't accessable *at all* with voiceover. Unless you have some 
useable vision, don't bother.  I can't speak about boot camp since I don't use 
it.  Imho, Fusion is your best bet as you get the best of both worlds.  You 
might run into problems with access keys with jaw, but again, since I don't use 
JFW, they might've fixed this, so someone who uses that program might know 
better then I.
hth,
Caitlyn

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> Hi Everyone,
> If you use parallels to set up windows on the Mac, can you still use 
> Voiceover or do you have to use JAWS when switching to windows?  Does 
> Bootcamp work better then parallels or are they the same? I'm just trying to 
> eliminate a second computer while I make the transition to the Mac mini.
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Mac Windows and JAWS

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Hi Everyone,
If you use parallels to set up windows on the Mac, can you still use Voiceover 
or do you have to use JAWS when switching to windows?  Does Bootcamp work 
better then parallels or are they the same? I'm just trying to eliminate a 
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Phikl

Whose site are you referring too here?

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On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:36, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

I have a little residual sight, and with the great monitor on the iMac and the 
right contrast I can sometimes track the mouse pointer. I'd like to know, what 
it means to:
1) select multiple items with the mouse. 
I know that clicking the left mouse button is synonamous with VO shift 
spacebar. How would I (or a sighted person) select multiple adjacent or 
non-adjacent items? Does one hold down the left button and drag across the 
items? And, if the items aren't adjacent to each other, does one Control 
left-click each item?

2) how about drag and drop? is that done by holding down the right mouse button 
and releasing it on the spot to drop?
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Re: iTunes 11

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Hi Zack

OK, perhaps one of these people who say they like the interface better now 
might care to explain how one would do things like search for items.  When I 
tried that, it failed to find the item even though I knew it was present in my 
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On 2 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Hi,
I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as 
dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about 
VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible 
for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the 
techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing 
the "groups of objects," metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this 
necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, 
it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't 
consider using any alternative media player myself.
As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the 
radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the 
row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually 
resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know.
YOurs,
Zack.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
> helped a good deal.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM
> Subject: iTunes 11
> 
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
>> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, 
>> is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user.  
>> Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around 
>> with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track 
>> in the library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" 
>> button, it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected 
>> to find.  To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is 
>> perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing 
>> number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their 
>> Macs.
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Re: iTunes 11

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I agree that one can keep moving the radio buttons to change the lighlighed 
options.  But to be honest, at this time, I would go so far as to say that it 
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I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a very 
good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also helped a 
good deal.

- Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM
Subject: iTunes 11


> Hi all
> 
> Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, 
> is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user.  Unless 
> I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all 
> of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the 
> library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" button, 
> it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected to find.  
> To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly 
> possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of 
> people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs.
> 
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Re: iTunes 11

[Gordon & Lynne]

Hi Donø

Unfortunately, I have so far seen absolutely nothing which I can honestly say I 
like about what Apple has done to iTunes.In fact, I am finding myself even 
lowering myself and going over to W*s gto do simple things like play music.

Again, my views may change radically over time, it has happened before.  But at 
this point, although I wouldn't ever use the description which you hinted at, 
not in public anyway, I would certainly describe it as the work of desuign 
engineers who clearly had nothing better to do in their spare time, or who just 
wanted to drive us all away from their product and who decided that the best 
way to do that was to ruin the product totally,.

Doubtless others will disagree.  But that is my take.  Come back Winamp, all is 
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On 2 Jan 2013, at 16:06, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

Hi Gordon,

There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on 
IOS.  I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus:

"if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it".

I stand by that assertion.  Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work.  
I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a new 
Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab order, 
and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field.  For example, I was 
entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, however I couldn't 
get to the county at all.

So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is  (four letter word comprising the letter 
S followed by the word hit).

Dónal
On 2 Jan 2013, at 15:31, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, 
> is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user.  Unless 
> I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all 
> of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the 
> library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" button, 
> it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected to find.  
> To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly 
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> people who are using alternative audio and media players on their Macs.
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Re: Voiceover Training App

[Danny Noonan]

You will either have an enterr, a search or a go button on the bottom right of 
the keyboard depending on the application/situation and this will close and 
often activate the function if your not in a multi line edit field. If you are, 
touch the screen outside the edit box and flick or move round until you find a 
done or next button. This is often in the top right of the main screen area 
below the status bar.

Hth



Sent from my phone

On 03/01/2013, at 2:22 AM, "David Griffith"  wrote:

> Many thanks 
> 
> This is a fantastically useful list and is sure to reduce the time I spend
> ploughing through the user manual as I have been doing for the last couple
> of days.
> 
> Is there anybody who can tell me how I can execute a command in an edit box?
> Specifically in Safari I can get to the address edit box  but cannot tell
> how to execute the URL after I have typed it in so that I can leave the edit
> box and go the page when safari hopefully opens it. I have tried trying to
> find an enter key but cannot find this on the screen anywhere.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
> Sent: 02 January 2013 12:45
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Voiceover Training App
> 
> This is a wonderful collection of tips and tricks for navigating your
> iDevice using the voice over gestures.  These were gathered and saved
> intended for my own personal use and so these are without there source
> information.  I can tell you that they all come from many of the wonderful
> people on a list that gave their time to help others.
> 
> 
> 
> Here goes the gathered navigation tips:
> 
> 
> 
> Navigating the screen with vo
> 
> 
> 
> Checking the battery level
> 
> Status items are at the top of the screen
> 
> Starting at the left is the time and if you flick to the right the battery
> level is next to time.
> 
> To exit the status area, just touch anywhere outside the status bar area.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Flicking left or right goes forward and back through the items on the screen
> this is a good way to review all items on the screen
> 
> 
> 
> Double tapping with one finger opens applications
> 
> 
> 
> Swiping up or down with two fingers reads from current location to the top 
> or end of the screen
> 
> 
> 
> Double tapping with two fingers will start and stop reading or your iPod 
> books and music
> 
> Note when tapping with two fingers, you should leave a little space between 
> your fingers so that the sensor can tell that you are using two fingers to 
> tap.
> 
> 
> 
> Pressing the home button backs you out of the app you are in and takes you 
> back to the home screen
> 
> Pressing the home button twice takes you to the app switcher.
> 
> Pressing the home button from the home screen takes you to the spot light 
> search.  you can then type part or all of what you are looking for and a 
> list will be displayed then double tap on the item you want
> 
> 
> 
> Double tapping the status bar, for example on the clock, scrolls the current
> 
> screen to the top. This works in lists and web pages as well.
> 
> 
> 
> Generally, a swipe is done with one finger unless you are switching pages,
> three finger swipe, going to the top or bottom of the screen, four finger
> swipe, or scrolling vertically through a list, three finger swipe up or
> down.  But, the regular swipe for moving through the entire screen an icon
> at a time is done with one finger left or right.
> 
> 
> 
> All about vo gestures
> 
> When Voiceover is turned on, the standard touchscreen gestures have 
> different effects. These and some additional gestures let you move around 
> the screen and control individual elements when they're selected. Voiceover 
> gestures include two- and three-fingers gestures to tap or flick. For best 
> results when using two- and three-finger gestures, relax and let your 
> fingers touch the screen with some space between them.
> 
> You can use standard gestures when Voiceover is turned on, by double-tapping
> 
> and holding your finger on the screen. A series of tones indicates that 
> normal gestures are in force. They remain in effect until you lift your 
> finger. Then Voiceover gestures resume.
> 
> You can use different techniques to enter Voiceover gestures. For example, 
> you can enter a two-finger tap using two fingers from one hand, or one 
> finger from each hand. You can also use your thumbs. Many find the 
> "split-tap" gesture especially effective: instead of selecting an item and 
> double-tapping, you can touch and hold an item with one finger, then tap the
> 
> screen with another finger. Try different techniques to discover which works
> 
> best for you.
> 
> If your gestures don't work, try quicker movements, especially for 
> double-tap and flicking gestures. To flick, try quickly brushing the screen 
> with your finger or fingers. When Voiceover is turned on, the Practi

Re: sighted mouse actions

[Zachary Kline]

Hi Phil,
I think you have the general idea correct. Selecting multiple items is done 
with the shift key, I believe, and noncontiguous ones with the control key. 
Someone with more experience will have to correct me on that point.
Drag-and-drop is pretty much what it sounds like, you use the left mouse 
button, and hold it down on the thing you want to drag, and release it at the 
destination. The right button is generally used for things like context menus, 
and thus a lot less frequently I believe.
Yours,
Zack.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:36 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> I have a little residual sight, and with the great monitor on the iMac and 
> the right contrast I can sometimes track the mouse pointer. I'd like to know, 
> what it means to:
> 1) select multiple items with the mouse. 
> I know that clicking the left mouse button is synonamous with VO shift 
> spacebar. How would I (or a sighted person) select multiple adjacent or 
> non-adjacent items? Does one hold down the left button and drag across the 
> items? And, if the items aren't adjacent to each other, does one Control 
> left-click each item?
> 
> 2) how about drag and drop? is that done by holding down the right mouse 
> button and releasing it on the spot to drop?
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sighted mouse actions

[Phil Halton]

I have a little residual sight, and with the great monitor on the iMac and the 
right contrast I can sometimes track the mouse pointer. I'd like to know, what 
it means to:
1) select multiple items with the mouse. 
I know that clicking the left mouse button is synonamous with VO shift 
spacebar. How would I (or a sighted person) select multiple adjacent or 
non-adjacent items? Does one hold down the left button and drag across the 
items? And, if the items aren't adjacent to each other, does one Control 
left-click each item?

2) how about drag and drop? is that done by holding down the right mouse button 
and releasing it on the spot to drop?
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Re: iTunes 11

[Sarah k Alawami]

Oh yah David's podcasts rock. I use the side bar layout or what ever they call 
it as I manually manage music and stuff on my ios device and for me I like th 
lay out better but I do know how to use the new interface and I hope apple kees 
a way to always show and hide that side bar for those of us who want it.

Take care.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
> helped a good deal.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM
> Subject: iTunes 11
> 
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
>> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, 
>> is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user.  
>> Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around 
>> with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track 
>> in the library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" 
>> button, it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected 
>> to find.  To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is 
>> perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing 
>> number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their 
>> Macs.
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Re: iTunes 11

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
I agree. It's important to give it time, and not dismiss the whole project as 
dreadful without fair examination. One of the things I've noticed about 
VoiceOver as I've used it this past year is that it tends to make it possible 
for two people to have utterly different user experiences, based purely on the 
techniques they employ. I favor interacting whenever possible, and embracing 
the "groups of objects," metaphor which Apple seems to encourage. Is this 
necessarily the most efficient way to go about things? Probably not. However, 
it suffices for me, and I find the new interface more than workable. I wouldn't 
consider using any alternative media player myself.
As for locating tracks in the library, I tend to use the search box, but the 
radio buttons are certainly another option. Think of them as very much like the 
row of buttons at the bottom of your iPhone music player. They might actually 
resemble an iPad interface more than the iPhone, for all I know.
YOurs,
Zack.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 10:25 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
> the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
> very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
> helped a good deal.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Gordon Smith" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM
> Subject: iTunes 11
> 
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
>> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, 
>> is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user.  
>> Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around 
>> with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track 
>> in the library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" 
>> button, it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected 
>> to find.  To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is 
>> perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join the ever increasing 
>> number of people who are using alternative audio and media players on their 
>> Macs.
>> 
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Re: iTunes 11

[Phil Halton]

I actually prefer the new interface. It took me a little while to understand 
the layout, but everything is doable and quite accessible. I listened to a 
very good podcast on iTunes 11's new interface from AppleVIS, and that also 
helped a good deal.


- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:31 AM
Subject: iTunes 11



Hi all

Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over 
time, is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver 
user.  Unless I am totally missing something here, without having to fool 
around with all of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find 
a track in the library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed 
the "Play" button, it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all 
what I expected to find.  To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the 
point here, which is perfectly possible, I think this year may see me join 
the ever increasing number of people who are using alternative audio and 
media players on their Macs.


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Re: dragging mail accounts in to their order

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hmm. there used to be a way to drag the order of accounts so your account you 
always wanted to send from appeared at the top of the list.  I did this in lion 
when both methods of dragging and  dropping became more accurate.  I've also 
read articles that say to do it as well and I did manage it but for some reason 
in 10.8.2 latest I cannot do this. and I even tried dragging 1 positing at a 
time like you have to with some apps like the wireless networks thing. Any 
advice?

Good luck.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> As far as I know, all you can do is select your default send account. This 
> isn't as pretty but still does the same thing. The setting from memiry is in 
> the compose page in mail preferences but apple have my mbp so I can't look it 
> up sorry.  
> 
> Danny. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my phone
> 
> On 02/01/2013, at 5:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> Hello. I feel like I have egg on my face or how ever that expression goes. 
>> 
>> I used to be able to drag mail accounts in apple mail to  their order so 
>> what ever I had at the top was the default. I'm normally an ABC order type 
>> of person except I want my regular email address and not the one for my 
>> business to be the default for very obvious reasons. Is there another way 
>> besides renaming them to01, 02, etc? The drag gin g method old and new does 
>> not seem to work in the mail accounts table anymore.
>> 
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Re: iTunes 11

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gordon,

There is only one thing worse than iTunes 11, and that's the Podcasts app on 
IOS.  I described iTunes 11 on twitter recently thus:

"if an undergraduate submitted this as a final year project I'd fail it".

I stand by that assertion.  Leaving voiceover out of it, the UI doesn't work.  
I've had all kinds of problems, not the least being my failure to create a new 
Apple ID for my mother recently because fields were removed from the tab order, 
and VO wouldn't put the correct data in the correct field.  For example, I was 
entering my mum's city of residence followed by the county, however I couldn't 
get to the county at all.

So you're not alone, iTunes 11 is  (four letter word comprising the letter 
S followed by the word hit).

Dónal
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> iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, 
> is that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user.  Unless 
> I am totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all 
> of the radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the 
> library?  When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" button, 
> it started playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected to find.  
> To be honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly 
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Re: forsing itunes to search for new updates?

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Go to the iTunes menu in the menu bar with ctrl f2,  the arrow down to check 
for update and it will let you know if the app needs updating or not.

Tc.
On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Andrea Breier  wrote:

> Okay I can't figure out how to force iTunes to check for updates.  Can some 
> one help.  Thanks so much in advance.  
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iTunes 11

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Hi all

Today is really the first opportunity I have had to sit down and play with 
iTunes 11.  My first impressions, and this view could well change over time, is 
that the interface is now utterly dreadful for the VoiceOver user.  Unless I am 
totally missing something here, without having to fool around with all of the 
radio buttons, How on earth is one supposed to find a track in the library?  
When I tried highlighting an album and pressed the "Play" button, it started 
playing on my iPad.  That was not at all what I expected to find.  To be 
honest, unless I'm totally missing the point here, which is perfectly possible, 
I think this year may see me join the ever increasing number of people who are 
using alternative audio and media players on their Macs.

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RE: Voiceover Training App

[David Griffith]

Many thanks 

This is a fantastically useful list and is sure to reduce the time I spend
ploughing through the user manual as I have been doing for the last couple
of days.

Is there anybody who can tell me how I can execute a command in an edit box?
Specifically in Safari I can get to the address edit box  but cannot tell
how to execute the URL after I have typed it in so that I can leave the edit
box and go the page when safari hopefully opens it. I have tried trying to
find an enter key but cannot find this on the screen anywhere.

David Griffith

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
Sent: 02 January 2013 12:45
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Voiceover Training App

This is a wonderful collection of tips and tricks for navigating your
iDevice using the voice over gestures.  These were gathered and saved
intended for my own personal use and so these are without there source
information.  I can tell you that they all come from many of the wonderful
people on a list that gave their time to help others.



Here goes the gathered navigation tips:



Navigating the screen with vo



Checking the battery level

Status items are at the top of the screen

Starting at the left is the time and if you flick to the right the battery
level is next to time.

To exit the status area, just touch anywhere outside the status bar area.




Flicking left or right goes forward and back through the items on the screen
this is a good way to review all items on the screen



Double tapping with one finger opens applications



Swiping up or down with two fingers reads from current location to the top 
or end of the screen



Double tapping with two fingers will start and stop reading or your iPod 
books and music

Note when tapping with two fingers, you should leave a little space between 
your fingers so that the sensor can tell that you are using two fingers to 
tap.



Pressing the home button backs you out of the app you are in and takes you 
back to the home screen

Pressing the home button twice takes you to the app switcher.

Pressing the home button from the home screen takes you to the spot light 
search.  you can then type part or all of what you are looking for and a 
list will be displayed then double tap on the item you want



Double tapping the status bar, for example on the clock, scrolls the current

screen to the top. This works in lists and web pages as well.



Generally, a swipe is done with one finger unless you are switching pages,
three finger swipe, going to the top or bottom of the screen, four finger
swipe, or scrolling vertically through a list, three finger swipe up or
down.  But, the regular swipe for moving through the entire screen an icon
at a time is done with one finger left or right.



All about vo gestures

When Voiceover is turned on, the standard touchscreen gestures have 
different effects. These and some additional gestures let you move around 
the screen and control individual elements when they're selected. Voiceover 
gestures include two- and three-fingers gestures to tap or flick. For best 
results when using two- and three-finger gestures, relax and let your 
fingers touch the screen with some space between them.

You can use standard gestures when Voiceover is turned on, by double-tapping

and holding your finger on the screen. A series of tones indicates that 
normal gestures are in force. They remain in effect until you lift your 
finger. Then Voiceover gestures resume.

You can use different techniques to enter Voiceover gestures. For example, 
you can enter a two-finger tap using two fingers from one hand, or one 
finger from each hand. You can also use your thumbs. Many find the 
"split-tap" gesture especially effective: instead of selecting an item and 
double-tapping, you can touch and hold an item with one finger, then tap the

screen with another finger. Try different techniques to discover which works

best for you.

If your gestures don't work, try quicker movements, especially for 
double-tap and flicking gestures. To flick, try quickly brushing the screen 
with your finger or fingers. When Voiceover is turned on, the Practice 
Gestures setting appears, which gives you a chance to practice Voiceover 
gestures before proceeding.

  a.. Practice gestures: In Settings, choose General > Accessibility > 
Voiceover, then tap Practice Voiceover Gestures. When you're finished 
practicing, double tap done.




Summary of key Voiceover gestures:

Navigate and Read

  a.. Tap: Speak item.
  b.. Flick right or left: Select the next or previous item.
  c.. Flick up or down: Depends on the Rotor Control setting. See Rotor 
Control.
  d.. Two-finger tap: Stop speaking the current item.
  e.. Two-finger flick up: Read all from top of screen.
  f.. Two-finger flick down: Read all from current position.
  g.. Two-finger "scrub": Move two fingers back and forth three times 
qu

Re: pages questions

[Bryan Jones]

I've written numerous college papers using Pages on my Mac. The way I learned 
to do this was by taking Anne & Archie Robertson's lessons via Skype. For more 
details on their excellent lessons, you can read my review on the Applevis site 
or email them directly, educat...@cecimac.org.

Cheers,
Bryan

On Jan 2, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> Can this  program be used to write college papers, is it accessible to 
> Voiceover, and Does it provide support for  advanced formatting options, such 
> as italicizing and indenting? 

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Re: pages questions

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Sweet! I'm going to need both, I think. Thanks very much.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:11 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

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> 
> In my previous message, I failed to mention that you can indeed write college 
> papers using Pages. I have templates for both APA and MLA formats.
> 
> Around $20 sounds right for Pages, but I wouldn't know for sure as I'm in 
> France so prices are in euros.
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> the time in to learn how it works.
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Re: pages questions

[Josh Gregory]

Hi there, thanks very much. That seems a bit steep when you look at it at 
first, but when you consider that Microsoft Word is about $200, it puts it into 
perspective how cheap It really is. LOL. I will definitely be getting that, and 
probably keynote as well. That could come in handy if I really have to do 
presentations.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:05 AM, "Cathy"  wrote:

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> 
> We just purchased pages and it is indeed $20 from the Apple store. 
> Just having come from windows I figured I should get pages because I never
> liked notepad which was the default text editing program. Maybe text edit
> will work well enough for me. I don't know, I suppose I will now check into
> this for myself.
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forsing itunes to search for new updates?

[Andrea Breier]

Okay I can't figure out how to force iTunes to check for updates.  Can some one 
help.  Thanks so much in advance.  
Hugs, AJ 

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Re: pages questions

[Andrea Breier]

Here is some stuff that I saved and used to help me figure out navigating 
and editing text in the apple systems.  I think this will help.  We were 
talking about using the iPhone at the time but I thing will still get the 
point.



Editing text while Using the notes app

You may want to go into settings -> general ->accessibility and turn on 
"speak auto text".  This way you should hear the replacement suggestion when 
that bubble noise sounds.  Enter any word delineator (space, return or 
punctuation) to use the suggested word, or continue typing.




Last week Anna D presented a perplexing problem.  She attempted to type 
"hell" and wanted to avoid the auto text of "he'll".  As I understand it, 
when the bubble sounds you should be able to set the rotor to "auto" and 
find the suggested word via side flicks and dismiss it by double tapping. 
In my testing I could not avoid it entering that apostrophe and my only 
option was to back up and delete that character.




Ø  My understanding is that Apple strives to avoid modifying the user
experience.  In the GUI world there is not a cursor so much as an 
insertion

pointer.  Unlike Windows screen readers, Apple does not modify this
appearance when VoiceOver is active.

So even though Sarah told you to do what you already said you tried, maybe
an example will help.  Lets say you discover that you entered "cat" but
meant "cut".  You would want to traverse the edit field with the one 
finger

up/down flick gestures and set the rotor to characters when you're at or
close to the offending word.  As you flick up and down, VoiceOver always
announces the character the insertion pointer just passed over.  This 
means

that if you flick down twice and hear "c" and "a" and then flick up, you
will again hear "a".  In the Windows world where we think of a physical
cursor this seems inconsistent, but makes sense when you consider that
VoiceOver is actually reporting the character just passed over.  When your
insertion pointer was between the c and a and you flicked down, VO 
announced

"A" and the insertion pointer rested between the a and t.  If you press
delete the character to the left would disappear which is "a".  If you
instead flick up the insertion pointer moves back between the C and A and
voiceOver again announces "a".  Now anything inserted lands between the c
and a, or pressing delete would make the "c" disappear.




Typing on the iPhone

One thing to remember about the way the iPhone cursor works, too, which is 
different from the PC (though the same as on the Mac, unless you change 
it). When you move, moving to the left puts the cursor to the left of the 
last thing announced, while moving to the right puts the cursor to the 
right of the thing just announced. So, if you have the word "the" and 
you're at the end of the word, flicking up will announce "e", "h", and 
"t". So let's say you hit the "e" and want to insert something. The letter 
you stick in will go in before the "e". Unless you flick back down, and go 
forwards over the "e", then it will go after the e. Hard to explain but it 
makes sense afteryou see it.


And, yes, the rotor is a bit tricky at first. you can rotate it too far 
and miss settings if you're not careful.






Hugs, AJ

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From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: pages questions



My answer is below your quoted text.

On Jan 1, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Cathy  wrote:


3. Oh yes, that brings up a third question. when I am inserting text, I
can't figure out how that works either. Sometimes it will insert at the 
end
of a word, sometimes after the character I intend for it to insert before 
,
sometimes before the character I intend it to insert after. Perhaps you 
are

getting the picture that I am a quick typist and often reverse characters
when typing, and if so you are so very right!

answer:

A friend of mine said this to me. In the platform that cannot be named the 
curser announced what it just walked over, but in mac the curser announced 
what it's about to walk over. There's a setting in the vo utility which 
can be accessed with vo f8. so


1. access the utility with vo f8.

2. navigate to verbosity, then press the text tab, and it should be in 
that dialogue.


3. You want to change the option to Speak text to the right of the cursor 
When moving the cursor so you can have the cursor announce what it just 
walked over making the editing experience a lot more friendly.


Hth.
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Re: Voiceover Training App

[Andrea Breier]

This is a wonderful collection of tips and tricks for navigating your 
iDevice using the voice over gestures.  These were gathered and saved 
intended for my own personal use and so these are without there source 
information.  I can tell you that they all come from many of the wonderful 
people on a list that gave their time to help others.




Here goes the gathered navigation tips:



Navigating the screen with vo



Checking the battery level

Status items are at the top of the screen

Starting at the left is the time and if you flick to the right the battery 
level is next to time.


To exit the status area, just touch anywhere outside the status bar area.




Flicking left or right goes forward and back through the items on the screen 
this is a good way to review all items on the screen




Double tapping with one finger opens applications



Swiping up or down with two fingers reads from current location to the top 
or end of the screen




Double tapping with two fingers will start and stop reading or your iPod 
books and music


Note when tapping with two fingers, you should leave a little space between 
your fingers so that the sensor can tell that you are using two fingers to 
tap.




Pressing the home button backs you out of the app you are in and takes you 
back to the home screen


Pressing the home button twice takes you to the app switcher.

Pressing the home button from the home screen takes you to the spot light 
search.  you can then type part or all of what you are looking for and a 
list will be displayed then double tap on the item you want




Double tapping the status bar, for example on the clock, scrolls the current 
screen to the top. This works in lists and web pages as well.




Generally, a swipe is done with one finger unless you are switching pages,
three finger swipe, going to the top or bottom of the screen, four finger
swipe, or scrolling vertically through a list, three finger swipe up or
down.  But, the regular swipe for moving through the entire screen an icon
at a time is done with one finger left or right.



All about vo gestures

When Voiceover is turned on, the standard touchscreen gestures have 
different effects. These and some additional gestures let you move around 
the screen and control individual elements when they're selected. Voiceover 
gestures include two- and three-fingers gestures to tap or flick. For best 
results when using two- and three-finger gestures, relax and let your 
fingers touch the screen with some space between them.


You can use standard gestures when Voiceover is turned on, by double-tapping 
and holding your finger on the screen. A series of tones indicates that 
normal gestures are in force. They remain in effect until you lift your 
finger. Then Voiceover gestures resume.


You can use different techniques to enter Voiceover gestures. For example, 
you can enter a two-finger tap using two fingers from one hand, or one 
finger from each hand. You can also use your thumbs. Many find the 
"split-tap" gesture especially effective: instead of selecting an item and 
double-tapping, you can touch and hold an item with one finger, then tap the 
screen with another finger. Try different techniques to discover which works 
best for you.


If your gestures don't work, try quicker movements, especially for 
double-tap and flicking gestures. To flick, try quickly brushing the screen 
with your finger or fingers. When Voiceover is turned on, the Practice 
Gestures setting appears, which gives you a chance to practice Voiceover 
gestures before proceeding.


 a.. Practice gestures: In Settings, choose General > Accessibility > 
Voiceover, then tap Practice Voiceover Gestures. When you're finished 
practicing, double tap done.





Summary of key Voiceover gestures:

Navigate and Read

 a.. Tap: Speak item.
 b.. Flick right or left: Select the next or previous item.
 c.. Flick up or down: Depends on the Rotor Control setting. See Rotor 
Control.

 d.. Two-finger tap: Stop speaking the current item.
 e.. Two-finger flick up: Read all from top of screen.
 f.. Two-finger flick down: Read all from current position.
 g.. Two-finger "scrub": Move two fingers back and forth three times 
quickly (making a "z") to dismiss an alert or go back to the previous 
screen.

 h.. Three-finger flick up or down: Scroll one page at a time.
 i.. Three-finger flick right or left: Go to the next or previous page 
(such as the Home screen, Stocks, or Safari).
 j.. Three-finger tap: Speak the scroll status (which page or rows are 
visible).
 k.. Four-finger tap at the top of the screen: Select the first element on 
the screen.
 l.. Four-finger tap at the bottom of the screen: Select the last element 
on the screen.

Activate

 a.. Double-tap: Activate selected item.
 b.. Split-tap: An alternative to selecting an item and double-tapping is 
to touch an item with one finger, then tap the screen with another to 
activate an item.
 c.. Touch an item with one finger, tap the

RE: pages questions

[Cathy]

Hi Josh,

We just purchased pages and it is indeed $20 from the Apple store. 
Just having come from windows I figured I should get pages because I never
liked notepad which was the default text editing program. Maybe text edit
will work well enough for me. I don't know, I suppose I will now check into
this for myself.

 
Cathy


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Re: pages questions

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Josh,

In my previous message, I failed to mention that you can indeed write college 
papers using Pages. I have templates for both APA and MLA formats.

Around $20 sounds right for Pages, but I wouldn't know for sure as I'm in 
France so prices are in euros.

I've been using Pages as a professional translator for a few years and it works 
for me. The approach is very different from MS Word and you need to put the 
time in to learn how it works.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: pages questions

[Josh Gregory]

Thanks very much. I've heard things about it, both good and bad, so what did to 
get some feedback from users that seem to use it on a regular basis. I don't 
mean to sound… Rude, but was just saying. I think it's $20, am I correct?

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 5:04 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Josh,
> 
> Pages is an advanced word-processing application. However, if all you want in 
> the way of formatting is bold, italic, indentation and so on, TextEdit would 
> be good enough.
> 
> In Pages, you can use the templates that are provided, or create your own 
> templates including placeholder text. When you save a template, it also saves 
> the hotkeys you've set for that template.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: pages questions

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Josh,

Pages is an advanced word-processing application. However, if all you want in 
the way of formatting is bold, italic, indentation and so on, TextEdit would be 
good enough.

In Pages, you can use the templates that are provided, or create your own 
templates including placeholder text. When you save a template, it also saves 
the hotkeys you've set for that template.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: dragging mail accounts in to their order

[Danny Noonan]

As far as I know, all you can do is select your default send account. This 
isn't as pretty but still does the same thing. The setting from memiry is in 
the compose page in mail preferences but apple have my mbp so I can't look it 
up sorry.  

Danny. 


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On 02/01/2013, at 5:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Hello. I feel like I have egg on my face or how ever that expression goes. 
> 
> I used to be able to drag mail accounts in apple mail to  their order so what 
> ever I had at the top was the default. I'm normally an ABC order type of 
> person except I want my regular email address and not the one for my business 
> to be the default for very obvious reasons. Is there another way besides 
> renaming them to01, 02, etc? The drag gin g method old and new does not seem 
> to work in the mail accounts table anymore.
> 
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Re: pages questions

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Cathy,

My responses are below.

Cheers,

Anne

On 2 Jan 2013, at 06:51, Cathy  wrote:
> 
> 
> 1. I am in pages and have created a new document. I now want to save it. I
> press command-D to save and interact with the text to create the file name.
> then I stop interacting with that and move to the button to choose where to
> save the document by pressing that button, and select my documents, which is
> where I want it to go. So I press vo-spacebar to select that. then all there
> is left is to press save. However, I want to place my document in a specific
> folder in my documents, but don't see how to do that. how do I tell pages to
> show me all my documents folders?
> 
A.R. First of all, the Save command is Command-s. In the Save dialogue box, 
there is a Disclosure check box just after the edit field where you give your 
document a name. Press VO-space to check this box and many more fields will 
appear. To save yourself time, press VO-Cmd-t to jump to the Sidebar, then 
navigate left to see where Pages is trying to put your document. You can press 
Cmd-Shift-o to select Documents, then navigate right, past the Sidebar, to the 
file browser where you can interact and select the appropriate folder. Then 
press VO-End to go straight to the last visible item and press VO-Space. 

> 
> 
> 2. Another question in pages. There are two delete keys on my keyboard. One
> in the six-pack and another on the main keyboard. The problem is that when
> editing text in pages, these two delete keys don't appear to always work the
> same. Are there specific times when to use one key over the other. What
> exactly do each of these keys delete, and is it possible to tell pages to
> always delete under the cursor instead of before or after the cursor?
> A.R. In Mac OS X, the Insertion point is between two characters. the Delete 
> key in the central block of keys deletes the character to the right of the 
> Insertion point, whereas the Backspace key above the Return key, deletes to 
> the left of the Insertion point. If you have just typed a character, the 
> Insertion point is to the right of the character you just typed. If you press 
> the left arrow key, you have moved the Insertion point to before that 
> character.
> 
> 
> 3. Oh yes, that brings up a third question. when I am inserting text, I
> can't figure out how that works either. Sometimes it will insert at the end
> of a word, sometimes after the character I intend for it to insert before ,
> sometimes before the character I intend it to insert after. Perhaps you are
> getting the picture that I am a quick typist and often reverse characters
> when typing, and if so you are so very right!
> A.R. As I just explained, the Insertion point is a little black line between 
> two characters. If you press Option-Left arrow, you'll be just to the left of 
> the word that has just been spoken. Pressing the Delete key in the central 
> block will delete the first character of that word. I find this to be 
> completely logical, but I never used a Windows machine so never learned the 
> other way of doing things.
> 
> 
> 
> 4. ok, so now I want to select a word to move, copy or delete. What is the
> voiceover command for that? 
> A.R. When editing text, you are not using VoiceOver commands but standard Mac 
> commands. Shift plus arrow keys will highlight text which you can then copy 
> (Cmd-c), cut (Cmd-x) or delete using the backspace key. Paste is Cmd-v. All 
> these commands are in the Edit menu for the application.

Pages seems to be rather advanced for your current knowledge of VoiceOver. 
Perhaps you'd find it easier to get used to editing on the Mac using TextEdit.


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