Re: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX

[Parham Doustdar]

Hi,

Thank you all. Although the thread is being pushed and pulled in all 
directions, my final conclusion is that eSpeak can indeed not be used 
with VoiceOver as it currently stands. I'll contact Jonathon and see if 
it can be done. What I had hoped to glean through this thread (which was 
not achieved) was whether there is an API that VoiceOver uses to create 
speech (I.E. something like Microsoft Speech API).


I'll let you know if I figure out anything else.

Thank you.
On 8/26/2013 11:47 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
Orca does use it  in Gnome, you're correct, although, there are other 
voices that you can use with speech-dispatcher, such as Festival, 
Cepstral, Voxin, if you're lucky enough to find all the outdated C 
libraries etc, Pico/SVox, and a few others.  I think even the Mbrella 
voices might work.  This is getting off topic so I'll end the thread 
here, but I did want to confirm, yes, Sarah, you are correct.  Orca 
does by default use ESpeak. Speechd-up also can use ESpeak if you want 
to get Speakup to work with ESpeak through Speech-Dispatcher.  If you 
have any questions on how to get that up and running, shoot me off an 
e-mail privately, or DM me on Twitter, and I'll see if I can get you 
the docs to do it.  I think they may be on the Orca Wiki.


Anyway, ok, thread over.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX


One day perhaps. I personally love ESpeak as it is a very responsive 
synth and would be on on a mac as the voice quality is not too good, 
but not too bad either.I think Orka uses it so, maybe one day.


Tc all.
On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Well, Acapella made their voices avalable for voiceover, so I'm sure 
its possible, it'd just have to be made to be integrated with mac 
os's tts thing, but there just aren't enough programmers out there 
for the blind, and that know about mac and espeak. I'm sure the 
developer of espeak would do it but I don't think he has a mac.


Sent from my iPod

On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Sarah k Alawami  
wrote:



Some how I don't think it is.  I could be wrong though.

Take care and be blessed.
On Aug 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Parham Doustdar  
wrote:



Hi all,

I know eSpeak has a Mac OSX port. However, what I want to know is 
whether there is a way to integrate that port with VoiceOver. I 
know that eSpeak can be run through the command line because of 
OSX being based on Unix. However, since the language I want 
(Farsi/Persian) is only supported by eSpeak, and I don't want to 
constantly paste stuff into the terminal to have them read out to 
me, I would need to use VoiceOver + eSpeak.


This is what I wonder is possible or not. :-)

Thanks.
On 8/25/2013 10:56 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
I can't see any reason why ESpeak couldn't be compiled from 
source to work with Voiceover, however, I'm not sure about its 
API hooks, so I really don't know how that would work.  There is, 
a version of ESpeak for the Mac, yes, but I'm not totally sure 
that it can be entegraded with Voiceover.  To the best of my 
knowledge, it's only the command line utility which you have to 
run inside Terminal.  Again, this being said, what it all boils 
down to by the end of the day is that the underlying hood 
framework of OSX actually is Unix. Don't get yourself confused 
here... I didn't say Linux, I said Unix. Granted both are very 
similar, but I say this to save the discussion of, oh, then, will 
voxin work?  The answer is no.  Flat out, no, so don't even ask. 
Believe me, I've tried and after about 8 hours of trying to 
compile libraries etc. I finally just said, to hell with it.  I 
got it working enough to where it kind of sort of talked within a 
command line, but even that was really



i
nconsistent, let alone getting it to work with Voiceover, which I 
never succeeded at. Anyway, not to stray from the initial topic of 
this message, yeah... I think with the fact being that ESpeak runs 
on a Linux/Unix platform, it probably could be fairly easally 
ported, but I'm not sure how it would be accomplished.


Sorry I couldn't be any more help, but that's the brutal answer 
of truth.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Parham Doustdar" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:57 AM
Subject: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX



Hi all,

I'm new to this list and a (hopefully) future Mac user. The 
biggest issue for me is using eSpeak with VoiceOver. Is such a 
thing possible?


Thanks!
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Re: braille translation for blazer embosser with mac.

[Sarah k Alawami]

Guhr! Piss!  Well, it's worth a try. I never heard of it, but good luck in your 
search. and keep us updated.
On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> There is a program called braille blaster. You can Google it. But it doesn't 
> include drivers, so my guess is, it's not going to work well. Good luck.
> Mary
> 
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> On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> There proboTher probably is, but good luck getting the blazie to work.  Macs 
>> don't come with cereal or parallel ports. I fyou have a  usb adapter you 
>> should be ok, but I don't know if there is any translation software. I 
>> thought there was but the discussion was a long time ago and I remember not 
>> what the software was called.
>> 
>> Tc and 73 and hope that sort of helped.
>> On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Linda C. Knight  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a a 1999 very good working blazer embosser which I emboss stuff
>>> having to do with knitting, my church stuff and on windows, I have Duxbury.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regrettably, Duxbury doesn't work on the mac yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So do any of you know if there is a braille translation software accessible
>>> with the mac?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Hugs and 73
>>> 
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Re: braille translation for blazer embosser with mac.

[Mary Otten]

There is a program called braille blaster. You can Google it. But it doesn't 
include drivers, so my guess is, it's not going to work well. Good luck.
Mary


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On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> There proboTher probably is, but good luck getting the blazie to work.  Macs 
> don't come with cereal or parallel ports. I fyou have a  usb adapter you 
> should be ok, but I don't know if there is any translation software. I 
> thought there was but the discussion was a long time ago and I remember not 
> what the software was called.
> 
> Tc and 73 and hope that sort of helped.
> On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Linda C. Knight  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a a 1999 very good working blazer embosser which I emboss stuff
>> having to do with knitting, my church stuff and on windows, I have Duxbury.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regrettably, Duxbury doesn't work on the mac yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So do any of you know if there is a braille translation software accessible
>> with the mac?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs and 73
>> 
>> Linda C. Knight & shirley
>> 
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Re: braille translation for blazer embosser with mac.

[Sarah k Alawami]

There proboTher probably is, but good luck getting the blazie to work.  Macs 
don't come with cereal or parallel ports. I fyou have a  usb adapter you should 
be ok, but I don't know if there is any translation software. I thought there 
was but the discussion was a long time ago and I remember not what the software 
was called.

Tc and 73 and hope that sort of helped.
On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Linda C. Knight  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I have a a 1999 very good working blazer embosser which I emboss stuff
> having to do with knitting, my church stuff and on windows, I have Duxbury.
> 
> 
> 
> Regrettably, Duxbury doesn't work on the mac yet.
> 
> 
> 
> So do any of you know if there is a braille translation software accessible
> with the mac?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs and 73
> 
> Linda C. Knight & shirley
> 
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Re: A ham question.

[Sarah k Alawami]

It does, but the software you are looking for is called echo mac. It does not 
have a curtacy tone at all, so be aware of that.  I can never hear when people 
finish transmitting and when it's ok to key up using echo mac.
Take care and 73.
On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Linda C. Knight  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all, One more inquiry.
> 
> 
> 
> I am a ham operator and use echo link. Will echo link work on the mac?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: A ham question.

[Chris Gilland]

No, but there is an app called Echo Mac which basically is Echolink for what 
it's worth.  I have a friend who is licensed (KB5VAO) who uses it fairly often. 
 His name is David Erich, from Lubbock TX.  You can probably look him up on QRZ.

Chris.

On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:13 PM, "Linda C. Knight"  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all, One more inquiry.
> 
> 
> 
> I am a ham operator and use echo link. Will echo link work on the mac?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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A ham question.

[Linda C. Knight]

 

 

Hi all, One more inquiry.

 

I am a ham operator and use echo link. Will echo link work on the mac?

 

Thank you,

 

 

 

Hugs and 73

Linda C. Knight & shirley

CallSign: kk4hrg

Please note email:

l...@tampabay.rr.com

 

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braille translation for blazer embosser with mac.

[Linda C. Knight]

 

 

Hi all,

 

I have a a 1999 very good working blazer embosser which I emboss stuff
having to do with knitting, my church stuff and on windows, I have Duxbury.

 

Regrettably, Duxbury doesn't work on the mac yet.

 

So do any of you know if there is a braille translation software accessible
with the mac?

 

Thank you,

 

 

 

 

Hugs and 73

Linda C. Knight & shirley

CallSign: kk4hrg

Please note email:

l...@tampabay.rr.com

 

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Question about a new macbook air and set up

[Matthew Carello]

Hello all. I am going to be getting a new macbook air this week. I had a 
macbook pro that bit the dust. I do know how to set it up but I wanted 
to know if it was possible to use a time machine back up from the old 
one on the new one? Is this possible or even advisable? Is it just 
better to start from scratch and wipe the old drive I used for back up 
and start it fresh? Thanks for any help,


Matt
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Re: Skype capcha code

[Chris Gilland]

Andy,

Be on the look out.  I just privately sent you the link to Skype's installer 
for the Mac.  The link will expire in 7 days.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Collins" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Skype capcha code


Chris - Where do I get the SkypeMac app? I've looked in the Mac store, and 
couldn't find a Skype app. Incidentally, do you have any tips for doing a 
quick search in the App store? It's easy on the phone, but from the Mac, 
there isn't even a text box for search terms -


Andy
On 26 Aug 2013, at 21:31, Chris H  wrote:


Andy, just use the Skype mac or iPhone app to sign up.

On 26/08/2013 21:14, Andy Collins wrote:
Hi all - I was just taking a quick look at the sign up requirement for 
Skype, and see there is a captcha field. There is an audio option, but 
is it clear enough to hear? I didn't want to get that far only to find I 
couldn't complete the sign up process for an account because I couldn't 
hear the captcha well enough -


Andy
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Re: Skype capcha code

[Catherine Turner]

Hi,

The Skype app isn't in the store, you have to go to Skype's website
and get it from there.

On the subject of searching for things in the app store, the way I do
this is go to the toolbar and interact with it, somewhere in there
there's a search box…I just press enter when I've finished typing and
the results appear in the main bit of the window..there may be other
ways to do this I haven't found yet but this works for me…

Hth,
Catherine

On 8/26/13, Andy Collins  wrote:
> Chris - Where do I get the SkypeMac app? I've looked in the Mac store, and
> couldn't find a Skype app. Incidentally, do you have any tips for doing a
> quick search in the App store? It's easy on the phone, but from the Mac,
> there isn't even a text box for search terms -
>
> Andy
> On 26 Aug 2013, at 21:31, Chris H  wrote:
>
>> Andy, just use the Skype mac or iPhone app to sign up.
>>
>> On 26/08/2013 21:14, Andy Collins wrote:
>>> Hi all - I was just taking a quick look at the sign up requirement for
>>> Skype, and see there is a captcha field. There is an audio option, but is
>>> it clear enough to hear? I didn't want to get that far only to find I
>>> couldn't complete the sign up process for an account because I couldn't
>>> hear the captcha well enough -
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Fujitsu scansnap IX 500 and VO

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
Does anyone have experience with this sheet feed scanner? It has proprietary 
software that runs on the Mac as well as coming with a version of fine reader. 
You have to be able to use the proprietary software, so I'm wondering about 
accessibility.
Mary


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Re: Skype capcha code

[Andy Collins]

Chris - Where do I get the SkypeMac app? I've looked in the Mac store, and 
couldn't find a Skype app. Incidentally, do you have any tips for doing a quick 
search in the App store? It's easy on the phone, but from the Mac, there isn't 
even a text box for search terms -

Andy
On 26 Aug 2013, at 21:31, Chris H  wrote:

> Andy, just use the Skype mac or iPhone app to sign up.
> 
> On 26/08/2013 21:14, Andy Collins wrote:
>> Hi all - I was just taking a quick look at the sign up requirement for 
>> Skype, and see there is a captcha field. There is an audio option, but is it 
>> clear enough to hear? I didn't want to get that far only to find I couldn't 
>> complete the sign up process for an account because I couldn't hear the 
>> captcha well enough -
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Re: Skype on the Mac

[Matthew Chao]

Me, too.  Am somewhat new to the Mac; don't use it enough, as my shop is PC.

Matthew Chao

At 03:56 PM 8/26/2013, you wrote:

I look forward to hearing the podcast -

Andy
On 26 Aug 2013, at 20:21, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> So, Skype is a little bit clunky, however this being said, yes, 
it does work extremely extremely well once you get it up and 
running.  I'll make a podcast later on how to use it.

>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andy Collins" 


> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:52 PM
> Subject: Skype on the Mac
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>> Hi all -
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>> New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what 
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Re: Skype capcha code

[Chris H]

Andy, just use the Skype mac or iPhone app to sign up.

On 26/08/2013 21:14, Andy Collins wrote:

Hi all - I was just taking a quick look at the sign up requirement for Skype, 
and see there is a captcha field. There is an audio option, but is it clear 
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Re: Skype on the Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

It's very accessible. The one thing I did was to set lots of the 
notifications to speak and you can do that in the skype preferences. 
This will allow the program to tell you things such as when people sign 
in and out and when you get messages.

Original message:

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New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what tweaking 
is necessary to get it working well with VO. -



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Skype capcha code

[Andy Collins]

Hi all - I was just taking a quick look at the sign up requirement for Skype, 
and see there is a captcha field. There is an audio option, but is it clear 
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Re: Skype on the Mac

[Andy Collins]

I look forward to hearing the podcast -

Andy
On 26 Aug 2013, at 20:21, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> So, Skype is a little bit clunky, however this being said, yes, it does work 
> extremely extremely well once you get it up and running.  I'll make a podcast 
> later on how to use it.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Andy Collins" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:52 PM
> Subject: Skype on the Mac
> 
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>> Hi all -
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>> New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what tweaking is 
>> necessary to get it working well with VO. -
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Re: Skype on the Mac

[Andy Collins]

That sounds good news Chris - I'll go and grab it then, and take a look -

Andy
On 26 Aug 2013, at 20:22, Chris H  wrote:

> Andy, I tell you what, Skype is about as accessible as you can get on the 
> mac. You can even configure Skype to use the system voice to announce various 
> events. I suggest you check out the preferences with the usual keystroke, 
> command comma.
> 
> On 26/08/2013 19:52, Andy Collins wrote:
>> Hi all -
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>> New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what tweaking is 
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Re: Skype on the Mac

[Chris Gilland]

So, Skype is a little bit clunky, however this being said, yes, it does work 
extremely extremely well once you get it up and running.  I'll make a 
podcast later on how to use it.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Collins" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 2:52 PM
Subject: Skype on the Mac



Hi all -

New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what tweaking is 
necessary to get it working well with VO. -


Andy

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Re: Skype on the Mac

[Chris H]

Andy, I tell you what, Skype is about as accessible as you can get on 
the mac. You can even configure Skype to use the system voice to 
announce various events. I suggest you check out the preferences with 
the usual keystroke, command comma.


On 26/08/2013 19:52, Andy Collins wrote:

Hi all -

New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what tweaking is 
necessary to get it working well with VO. -

Andy

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Re: mail questions

[Chris Gilland]

Sarah, it's comma.  c, o, m, m, A.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: mail questions


Command  and the key below the k. I can't spell it but it's the , symbol. 
This will help you access prefs in almost every program. so cmd and that 
symbol I can't spell, then to the general part which is in the tool bar, 
then  over  to the part where it says check mail every x minutes and  you 
can change that. I have it set to 1, but that's because my new internship 
relys heavily on email. You can change it to 5 or what ever or none and 
you have to from with in mail hit cmd shift n for get all mail.


Hth.
On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:08 PM, don bishop  wrote:

Please excuse my ignorance, but still trying to learn my way around this 
machine after 20 years of windows.  I'm not seeing the general 
preferences.


Is this under preferences within the mail app, or under the system 
preferences somewhere.
Still learning how to interact with different controls, but getting there 
I think!  


Thanks,

Don



On 8/25/2013 7:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

to  change  the freq  of new mail checking it's under the general prefs.

to go to the beginning of the list it's vo shift page up and the end  is 
vo shift page down.

On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:

I have mail working on my new mac and, so far so good.  I do have a few 
questions though.


1.  How do you set the programs to delete downloaded message from the 
server?  I'm using pop3.


2.  How can to change the frequency of checking for new mail?

3.  How can you jump from the beginning to the end of a list of 
messages.


Many thanks for all help,

Don


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Re: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX

[Chris Gilland]

Orca does use it  in Gnome, you're correct, although, there are other voices 
that you can use with speech-dispatcher, such as Festival, Cepstral, Voxin, 
if you're lucky enough to find all the outdated C libraries etc, Pico/SVox, 
and a few others.  I think even the Mbrella voices might work.  This is 
getting off topic so I'll end the thread here, but I did want to confirm, 
yes, Sarah, you are correct.  Orca does by default use ESpeak.  Speechd-up 
also can use ESpeak if you want to get Speakup to work with ESpeak through 
Speech-Dispatcher.  If you have any questions on how to get that up and 
running, shoot me off an e-mail privately, or DM me on Twitter, and I'll see 
if I can get you the docs to do it.  I think they may be on the Orca Wiki.


Anyway, ok, thread over.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX


One day perhaps. I personally love ESpeak  as it is a very responsive 
synth and would be on on a mac as the voice quality is not too good, but 
not too bad either.I think Orka uses it so, maybe one day.


Tc all.
On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Well, Acapella made their voices avalable for voiceover, so I'm sure its 
possible, it'd just have to be made to be integrated with mac os's tts 
thing, but there just aren't enough programmers out there for the blind, 
and that know about mac and espeak. I'm sure the developer of espeak 
would do it but I don't think he has a mac.


Sent from my iPod

On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:


Some how I don't think it is.  I could be wrong though.

Take care and be blessed.
On Aug 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Parham Doustdar  wrote:


Hi all,

I know eSpeak has a Mac OSX port. However, what I want to know is 
whether there is a way to integrate that port with VoiceOver. I know 
that eSpeak can be run through the command line because of OSX being 
based on Unix. However, since the language I want (Farsi/Persian) is 
only supported by eSpeak, and I don't want to constantly paste stuff 
into the terminal to have them read out to me, I would need to use 
VoiceOver + eSpeak.


This is what I wonder is possible or not. :-)

Thanks.
On 8/25/2013 10:56 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
I can't see any reason why ESpeak couldn't be compiled from source to 
work with Voiceover, however, I'm not sure about its API hooks, so I 
really don't know how that would work.  There is, a version of ESpeak 
for the Mac, yes, but I'm not totally sure that it can be entegraded 
with Voiceover.  To the best of my knowledge, it's only the command 
line utility which you have to run inside Terminal.  Again, this being 
said, what it all boils down to by the end of the day is that the 
underlying hood framework of OSX actually is Unix.  Don't get yourself 
confused here... I didn't say Linux, I said Unix. Granted both are 
very similar, but I say this to save the discussion of, oh, then, will 
voxin work?  The answer is no.  Flat out, no, so don't even ask. 
Believe me, I've tried and after about 8 hours of trying to compile 
libraries etc. I finally just said, to hell with it.  I got it working 
enough to where it kind of sort of talked within a command line, but 
even that was really



i
nconsistent, let alone getting it to work with Voiceover, which I never 
succeeded at. Anyway, not to stray from the initial topic of this 
message, yeah... I think with the fact being that ESpeak runs on a 
Linux/Unix platform, it probably could be fairly easally ported, but I'm 
not sure how it would be accomplished.


Sorry I couldn't be any more help, but that's the brutal answer of 
truth.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Parham Doustdar" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:57 AM
Subject: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX



Hi all,

I'm new to this list and a (hopefully) future Mac user. The biggest 
issue for me is using eSpeak with VoiceOver. Is such a thing 
possible?


Thanks!
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Re: E-mail client?

[Chris Gilland]

Christian,

My apology.  I might have mis-spelled it.  Roseta... or however it's 
spelled, is basically a utility which allows you to escentially take a Power 
PC compiled application, which was meant to run only on PPC
architecture and basically translate that code into something which Intel® 
based macsz could see and use.  This way, say you had an older legacy based 
program which only would normally run on PPC machines, you could technically 
make it run anyway.  Sometimes, the results were not exactly desirable, but 
hey, in a pinch, it did work in its time.




Chris.



- Original Message - 
From: "Christian Schoepplein" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: E-mail client?



What is Rosetta? I don't know it and asking google brought no fast
answer...

I tested some mail clients for Mac OS because I don't like some
behaviours of the native Apple mail client, but the only more
or less accessible alternative I've found was GyazMail which was useable
with VoiceOver, but for some things accessebility was also not given.

Ciao,

 Christian


On So, Aug 25, 2013 at 06:47:23 -0400, Chris Gilland wrote:

Christian,

Thank you for verifying this.  It's really appreciated.  As I said to 
Sarah, I almost wonder if I installed a copy of Roseta, could I then maybe 
force it to install.


Chris.

On Aug 25, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Christian Schoepplein  
wrote:



Hi,

Eudora for Mac will only run on power pc platforms and not under Mac OS 
10.6 or later.


Ciao,

 Christian


Am 25.08.2013 um 20:23 schrieb Sarah k Alawami :

Or try www.download.com, although google has been giving me nothing but 
aronious results for some time now. lol !


Another good   resource is http://macupdate.com as they have just about 
what you might want to find.


Here is the dl page for eudora.

http://www.eudora.com/download/

I think. Not sure as google  was giving me issues and showing nothing 
but mavrics stuff which is not what I asked for.


Hth.
On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Geoff Waaler  
wrote:



Chris, have you ever heard of Google?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Chris Gilland 
 wrote:


Wonder where it could be obtained?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "matthew dyer" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: E-mail client?



Hi Chris,

Yes there is a mac version of eudora, but not sure how accessible it
is how ever.  HTH.




Matthew



Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Chris Gilland 
 wrote:


This might seem like a really stupid question, but does anyone know 
if there is a version of Eudora for the Mac, and if so is it 
accessible?


Chris.
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Skype on the Mac

[Andy Collins]

Hi all -

New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what tweaking is 
necessary to get it working well with VO. -

Andy

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Re: mail questions

[don bishop]

ThanksAnne,

These instructions are really clearand  you're a lifesaver! 

Thanks so much,

Don


- Original Message -
From: Anne Robertson 
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
Date: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: mail questions

>
>
> Hello Don,
> 
> You open Mail Preferences by pressing Cmd-Comma. You then go to the first 
> visible item (VO-FN-Left arrow) and interact with the tool bar. In the Tool 
> bar, you press VO-Space to select the pane you want.
> 
> To set the delay for removing messages from the server, press VO-Space on 
> Accounts, select the appropriate account from the table, then select Advanced 
> where you'll find a check box Remove copy from server after retrieving a 
> message, followed by a pop up menu where you can select the delay. Since the 
> Preferences open in a new window, close the window with Cmd-w when you're 
> done.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
>  
> 
> On 26 Aug 2013, at 07:08, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> > Please excuse my ignorance, but still trying to learn my way around this 
> > machine after 20 years of windows.  I'm not seeing the general preferences.
> > 
> > Is this under preferences within the mail app, or under the system 
> > preferences somewhere.
> > Still learning how to interact with different controls, but getting there I 
> > think!  
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 8/25/2013 7:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> >> to  change  the freq  of new mail checking it's under the general prefs.
> >> 
> >> to go to the beginning of the list it's vo shift page up and the end  is 
> >> vo shift page down.
> >> On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I have mail working on my new mac and, so far so good.  I do have a few 
> >>> questions though.
> >>> 
> >>> 1.  How do you set the programs to delete downloaded message from the 
> >>> server?  I'm using pop3.
> >>> 
> >>> 2.  How can to change the frequency of checking for new mail?
> >>> 
> >>> 3.  How can you jump from the beginning to the end of a list of messages.
> >>> 
> >>> Many thanks for all help,
> >>> 
> >>> Don
> >>> 
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Re: google crome, is it accessible?

[Brian Fischler]

Does anyone know how to edit bookmarks in Google Chrome? I added a bunch but 
can't seem to delete them and there is some weird bookmarks bar that always 
shows up that I would love to get rid of. Thanks.
On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> and to top things  off google chrome is slightly faster then safari. I can 
> feel it by about 1 to 4 milliseconds on this slower machine.  The prefs tab 
> is a bit  odd but it's nothing really to sneeze at. Just a bunch of buttons 
> like a tool bar if you tab around. It just plain rocks.rocks.
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> Chrome works flawlessly!  I've even used it without Chromevox.  In fact, I 
>> prefer using it without Chromevox.  If you can use Safari, you can 
>> definitely use Chrome.  The only thing that may trip you up a little bit at 
>> first is the preferences window, as they don't actually make it into a 
>> standard preferences dialog.  What they've done is to make it into its own 
>> web formatted html content area.  So, what you basically have to the best I 
>> recall, you have to excuse me.  I've not gone into the prefs window in a 
>> while, is a multi tabbed window and yes, you do still vo+space on the tabs 
>> across the top, but then you'll want to stop interacting with the window, 
>> and then reinteract so that the Voiceover buffer gets refreshed and reads 
>> the screen, as it doesn't exactly literally reload with another page, but 
>> instead it just dynamicly updates in realtime as you vo+space on those tabs 
>> across the top.  And to tell you the truth, I don't even remember if they 
>> were tabs now that I second
  
> th
>> ink about it.  They may have just been links.  For what it's worth though, 
>> it's not really as hard, nor as bad as I probably'm making it sound.  Trust 
>> me, it's actually quite doable.  If you'd like, I'd be happy to make a 
>> podcast recording on my podcast feed explaining the prefs window.  Just let 
>> me know if you all think it's necessary.
>> 
>> Over all though, yes, Chrome works fantasticly.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> I love google chrome and often use it when safari barfs on a particular set 
>>> of sites I use. It rocks.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Laurel and Stockard 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hey guys,
 I'm sorry if this has been already covered recently, I've been out of the 
 country for awhile so if it has, forgive me. I was renewing my Bookshare 
 subscription and I saw that it's possible to read books on the web 
 directly from the sight. It said though that in order to use all the 
 reading features, that you should use google crome both on a pc and a mac. 
 It said that firefox, safari etc can be used, but not with the full 
 reading features. So, my question is, is google crome voiceover compatible?
 Thanks
 Laurel
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The VIPS FOLDER IN MAIL

[Andy Collins]

HI ALL

I was looking for an email I appear to have lost/deleted somehow, and took a 
look at the VIPS folder, and was surprised to find over 100 messages in there. 
I haven't deliberately assigned messages to that folder, and am not sure why 
I'd use it anyway? But would like to know why or how messages have landed in 
there unbeknown to me? -

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Re: best FTP program for use with VO?

[Sarah Alawami]

It can be, but no it generaly is not. I don't know the history of ftp, how ever 
I do know you do not need a website. Many of us use ftp accounts for websites 
as you can resume if your connection broke. wheres with http and https 
uploading and downloading, generally, good luck. lol!

Let's say I'm at school and need to transfer something from the computer at 
school to my house computer If the school lets me if they did not block the 
port, I just log in via transmit on my mac at school for example, upload the 
file(s)  to my ftp directoy at home and I have it
 to finish.

HTH.
  Aug 26, 2013, at 7:13, "wayne17a"  wrote:
> 
>Hello and thanks so am I right in thinking it is a advanced drop box
> where you can share links and do I have to have a web site to make use of
> transmit thanks in advance 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:43 PM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: best FTP program for use with VO?
> 
> Ftp is file transfer protocol. This is used to transfer files to let's say a
> website Think of an ftp folder like something in your finder. You can add to
> and, if the ftp owner lets you, remove stuff. You can upload or copy stuff
> from your finder to the ftp folder, like a podcast file, or picture for your
> site. there's regular ftp and secure or SFTP. if you mean tffp that's my
> podcast, but I'm thinking you meant ftp so there you go. Lol!
> 
> Take care.
>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:27 PM, wayne17a  wrote:
>> 
>>Hello chris I would like to hear a podcast about transmit but
> without 
>> sounding stupid what is fttp please thanks in advance
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
>> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:27 PM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: best FTP program for use with VO?
>> 
>> I'd still be willing to do an up to date recording, unless that would 
>> offend you.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: best FTP program for use with VO?
>> 
>> 
>>> Lol. I already did a sort of series set over the course of 2 years. I 
>>> can find them and zip them up and upload them  for  access some ware. 
>>> But you can do a lot with transmit. I have not splayed with amazon s3  
>>> as I can't afford it, but still, you can do a lot. It's the swis army 
>>> knife of ftp clients and for an affordable price.
>>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Chris Gilland 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 You'll love it.  If you can't figure it out, let me know, and I'll 
 make an audio podcast demonstrating it.  It's in the mac app store, 
 if that helps.
 
 Chris.
 
 On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Michael Marshall 
 
>> 
 wrote:
 
> hey,
> i will take a look at that program.
> thanks for the reply
> 
> Michael
>> On 26/08/2013, at 8:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> I heartily recommend transmit.  It is the best ftp client out 
>> there and it's worth the price. You can do a lot with it and the 
>> dev is wonderful to work  with.
>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Michael Marshall 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hey listers,
>>> just wondering what is the most accessible FTP program with VO? i 
>>> would like to use FTP again.
>>> 
>>> thanks for any help
>>> 
>>> Michael
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using the Google Crome browser too watch audio described iplayer content on the mac.

[stuart young]

Hi all.
Does any one have a set of instructions on how to lissom to audio described 
content using BBC iplayer and google Crome? I have herd a few podcasts saying 
that it can be dun, but i am not entirely sure how.
Many thanks for all your help.
Regards.
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Re: mail questions

[matthew dyer]

Hi Dawn,

In the mail app, press cmd coma to go to mail preffs. HTH.



Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2013, at 1:10 AM, don bishop  wrote:

> Please excuse my ignorance, but still trying to learn my way around this 
> machine after 20 years of windows.  I'm not seeing the general preferences.
>
> Is this under preferences within the mail app, or under the system 
> preferences somewhere.
> Still learning how to interact with different controls, but getting there I 
> think!  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
>
>
>
> On 8/25/2013 7:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> to  change  the freq  of new mail checking it's under the general prefs.
>>
>> to go to the beginning of the list it's vo shift page up and the end  is vo 
>> shift page down.
>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>>
>>> I have mail working on my new mac and, so far so good.  I do have a few 
>>> questions though.
>>>
>>> 1.  How do you set the programs to delete downloaded message from the 
>>> server?  I'm using pop3.
>>>
>>> 2.  How can to change the frequency of checking for new mail?
>>>
>>> 3.  How can you jump from the beginning to the end of a list of messages.
>>>
>>> Many thanks for all help,
>>>
>>> Don
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RE: best FTP program for use with VO?

[wayne17a]

Hello and thanks so am I right in thinking it is a advanced drop box
where you can share links and do I have to have a web site to make use of
transmit thanks in advance 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:43 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: best FTP program for use with VO?

Ftp is file transfer protocol. This is used to transfer files to let's say a
website Think of an ftp folder like something in your finder. You can add to
and, if the ftp owner lets you, remove stuff. You can upload or copy stuff
from your finder to the ftp folder, like a podcast file, or picture for your
site. there's regular ftp and secure or SFTP. if you mean tffp that's my
podcast, but I'm thinking you meant ftp so there you go. Lol!

Take care.
On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:27 PM, wayne17a  wrote:

>   Hello chris I would like to hear a podcast about transmit but
without 
> sounding stupid what is fttp please thanks in advance
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:27 PM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: best FTP program for use with VO?
> 
> I'd still be willing to do an up to date recording, unless that would 
> offend you.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:18 PM
> Subject: Re: best FTP program for use with VO?
> 
> 
>> Lol. I already did a sort of series set over the course of 2 years. I 
>> can find them and zip them up and upload them  for  access some ware. 
>> But you can do a lot with transmit. I have not splayed with amazon s3  
>> as I can't afford it, but still, you can do a lot. It's the swis army 
>> knife of ftp clients and for an affordable price.
>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Chris Gilland 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You'll love it.  If you can't figure it out, let me know, and I'll 
>>> make an audio podcast demonstrating it.  It's in the mac app store, 
>>> if that helps.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Michael Marshall 
>>> 
> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 hey,
 i will take a look at that program.
 thanks for the reply
 
 Michael
 On 26/08/2013, at 8:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
 
> I heartily recommend transmit.  It is the best ftp client out 
> there and it's worth the price. You can do a lot with it and the 
> dev is wonderful to work  with.
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Michael Marshall 
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>> hey listers,
>> just wondering what is the most accessible FTP program with VO? i 
>> would like to use FTP again.
>> 
>> thanks for any help
>> 
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Re: mail questions

[Sarah k Alawami]

Command  and the key below the k. I can't spell it but it's the , symbol. This 
will help you access prefs in almost every program. so cmd and that symbol I 
can't spell, then to the general part which is in the tool bar, then  over  to 
the part where it says check mail every x minutes and  you can change that. I 
have it set to 1, but that's because my new internship relys heavily on email. 
You can change it to 5 or what ever or none and you have to from with in mail 
hit cmd shift n for get all mail.

Hth.
On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:08 PM, don bishop  wrote:

> Please excuse my ignorance, but still trying to learn my way around this 
> machine after 20 years of windows.  I'm not seeing the general preferences.
> 
> Is this under preferences within the mail app, or under the system 
> preferences somewhere.
> Still learning how to interact with different controls, but getting there I 
> think!  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/25/2013 7:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> to  change  the freq  of new mail checking it's under the general prefs.
>> 
>> to go to the beginning of the list it's vo shift page up and the end  is vo 
>> shift page down.
>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 7:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have mail working on my new mac and, so far so good.  I do have a few 
>>> questions though.
>>> 
>>> 1.  How do you set the programs to delete downloaded message from the 
>>> server?  I'm using pop3.
>>> 
>>> 2.  How can to change the frequency of checking for new mail?
>>> 
>>> 3.  How can you jump from the beginning to the end of a list of messages.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for all help,
>>> 
>>> Don
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Re: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX

[Sarah k Alawami]

One day perhaps. I personally love ESpeak  as it is a very responsive synth and 
would be on on a mac as the voice quality is not too good, but not too bad 
either.I think Orka uses it so, maybe one day.

Tc all.
On Aug 26, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Well, Acapella made their voices avalable for voiceover, so I'm sure its 
> possible, it'd just have to be made to be integrated with mac os's tts thing, 
> but there just aren't enough programmers out there for the blind, and that 
> know about mac and espeak. I'm sure the developer of espeak would do it but I 
> don't think he has a mac.
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> Some how I don't think it is.  I could be wrong though.
>> 
>> Take care and be blessed.
>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Parham Doustdar  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know eSpeak has a Mac OSX port. However, what I want to know is whether 
>>> there is a way to integrate that port with VoiceOver. I know that eSpeak 
>>> can be run through the command line because of OSX being based on Unix. 
>>> However, since the language I want (Farsi/Persian) is only supported by 
>>> eSpeak, and I don't want to constantly paste stuff into the terminal to 
>>> have them read out to me, I would need to use VoiceOver + eSpeak.
>>> 
>>> This is what I wonder is possible or not. :-)
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> On 8/25/2013 10:56 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
 I can't see any reason why ESpeak couldn't be compiled from source to work 
 with Voiceover, however, I'm not sure about its API hooks, so I really 
 don't know how that would work.  There is, a version of ESpeak for the 
 Mac, yes, but I'm not totally sure that it can be entegraded with 
 Voiceover.  To the best of my knowledge, it's only the command line 
 utility which you have to run inside Terminal.  Again, this being said, 
 what it all boils down to by the end of the day is that the underlying 
 hood framework of OSX actually is Unix.  Don't get yourself confused 
 here... I didn't say Linux, I said Unix. Granted both are very similar, 
 but I say this to save the discussion of, oh, then, will voxin work?  The 
 answer is no.  Flat out, no, so don't even ask. Believe me, I've tried and 
 after about 8 hours of trying to compile libraries etc. I finally just 
 said, to hell with it.  I got it working enough to where it kind of sort 
 of talked within a command line, but even that was really
  
> i
>> nconsistent, let alone getting it to work with Voiceover, which I never 
>> succeeded at. Anyway, not to stray from the initial topic of this message, 
>> yeah... I think with the fact being that ESpeak runs on a Linux/Unix 
>> platform, it probably could be fairly easally ported, but I'm not sure how 
>> it would be accomplished.
 
 Sorry I couldn't be any more help, but that's the brutal answer of truth.
 
 Chris.
 
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 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:57 AM
 Subject: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX
 
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to this list and a (hopefully) future Mac user. The biggest issue 
> for me is using eSpeak with VoiceOver. Is such a thing possible?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX

[Devin Prater]

Well, Acapella made their voices avalable for voiceover, so I'm sure its 
possible, it'd just have to be made to be integrated with mac os's tts thing, 
but there just aren't enough programmers out there for the blind, and that know 
about mac and espeak. I'm sure the developer of espeak would do it but I don't 
think he has a mac.

Sent from my iPod

On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Some how I don't think it is.  I could be wrong though.
> 
> Take care and be blessed.
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Parham Doustdar  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know eSpeak has a Mac OSX port. However, what I want to know is whether 
>> there is a way to integrate that port with VoiceOver. I know that eSpeak can 
>> be run through the command line because of OSX being based on Unix. However, 
>> since the language I want (Farsi/Persian) is only supported by eSpeak, and I 
>> don't want to constantly paste stuff into the terminal to have them read out 
>> to me, I would need to use VoiceOver + eSpeak.
>> 
>> This is what I wonder is possible or not. :-)
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> On 8/25/2013 10:56 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>>> I can't see any reason why ESpeak couldn't be compiled from source to work 
>>> with Voiceover, however, I'm not sure about its API hooks, so I really 
>>> don't know how that would work.  There is, a version of ESpeak for the Mac, 
>>> yes, but I'm not totally sure that it can be entegraded with Voiceover.  To 
>>> the best of my knowledge, it's only the command line utility which you have 
>>> to run inside Terminal.  Again, this being said, what it all boils down to 
>>> by the end of the day is that the underlying hood framework of OSX actually 
>>> is Unix.  Don't get yourself confused here... I didn't say Linux, I said 
>>> Unix. Granted both are very similar, but I say this to save the discussion 
>>> of, oh, then, will voxin work?  The answer is no.  Flat out, no, so don't 
>>> even ask. Believe me, I've tried and after about 8 hours of trying to 
>>> compile libraries etc. I finally just said, to hell with it.  I got it 
>>> working enough to where it kind of sort of talked within a command line, 
>>> but even that was really 
 i
> nconsistent, let alone getting it to work with Voiceover, which I never 
> succeeded at. Anyway, not to stray from the initial topic of this message, 
> yeah... I think with the fact being that ESpeak runs on a Linux/Unix 
> platform, it probably could be fairly easally ported, but I'm not sure how it 
> would be accomplished.
>>> 
>>> Sorry I couldn't be any more help, but that's the brutal answer of truth.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Parham Doustdar" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:57 AM
>>> Subject: Using eSpeak On Mac OSX
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm new to this list and a (hopefully) future Mac user. The biggest issue 
 for me is using eSpeak with VoiceOver. Is such a thing possible?
 
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Re: E-mail client?

[Christian Schoepplein]

What is Rosetta? I don't know it and asking google brought no fast 
answer...

I tested some mail clients for Mac OS because I don't like some 
behaviours of the native Apple mail client, but the only more 
or less accessible alternative I've found was GyazMail which was useable 
with VoiceOver, but for some things accessebility was also not given.

Ciao,

  Christian


On So, Aug 25, 2013 at 06:47:23 -0400, Chris Gilland wrote:
>Christian,
>
>Thank you for verifying this.  It's really appreciated.  As I said to Sarah, I 
>almost wonder if I installed a copy of Roseta, could I then maybe force it to 
>install.
>
>Chris.
>
>On Aug 25, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Christian Schoepplein  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Eudora for Mac will only run on power pc platforms and not under Mac OS 10.6 
>> or later.
>> 
>> Ciao,
>> 
>>  Christian
>> 
>> 
>> Am 25.08.2013 um 20:23 schrieb Sarah k Alawami :
>> 
>>> Or try www.download.com, although google has been giving me nothing but 
>>> aronious results for some time now. lol !
>>> 
>>> Another good   resource is http://macupdate.com as they have just about 
>>> what you might want to find.
>>> 
>>> Here is the dl page for eudora.
>>> 
>>> http://www.eudora.com/download/
>>> 
>>> I think. Not sure as google  was giving me issues and showing nothing but 
>>> mavrics stuff which is not what I asked for.
>>> 
>>> Hth.
>>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
>>> 
 Chris, have you ever heard of Google?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Chris Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Wonder where it could be obtained?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "matthew dyer" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: E-mail client?
> 
> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Yes there is a mac version of eudora, but not sure how accessible it
>> is how ever.  HTH.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Chris Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This might seem like a really stupid question, but does anyone know if 
>>> there is a version of Eudora for the Mac, and if so is it accessible?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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