Re: Setting up Mail
Hi, Thanks. Have set it up now. Now must get familiar with how it works and the layout. At the moment there are no messages there, I guess I have to tell it to get the mail an it doesn't get it automatically. Will read the Voiceover manual about it - anyone any other suggestions for reading or starting tips for using Mail? Catherine On 9/12/13, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: Hello there. I never put anything in there. When you hit continue it should be able to find the settings it needs. If it doesn't it should take you to the mail app where you can fill in what you need. Once again I never put anything in that text field and it has not hurt anything. On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Catherine Turner catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I just went to set up Mail for the first time on my Macbook. It asked for some information like name, e-mail address and password which I filled in. But one of the text fields wasn't saying what it was for - VO just said text field. Anyone remember or got any ideas what that text field is for? Thanks, Catherine --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Twitter: CTurner1980 My blog: http://catherineturner.wordpress.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver?
Brenda, The keystroke to turn on voiceover is command + f5. Same to turn it off, and same to turn it back on.To change the name of the personb, the speed and pitch is control option command plus left or right arrow or up or down arrow. The control and option keys are known as V O. V o command + the up or down and or right or left arrow keys. Artie. V From: meadowlark77 September 12, 2013 10:48 AM Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda ==. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Command f5 will get you going. On 12/09/2013 15:48, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Setting up Mail
Yes, look through the preferences settings. That sometimes gives you a good idea of what can be done how it works. Sent from my IPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Catherine Turner catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks. Have set it up now. Now must get familiar with how it works and the layout. At the moment there are no messages there, I guess I have to tell it to get the mail an it doesn't get it automatically. Will read the Voiceover manual about it - anyone any other suggestions for reading or starting tips for using Mail? Catherine On 9/12/13, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: Hello there. I never put anything in there. When you hit continue it should be able to find the settings it needs. If it doesn't it should take you to the mail app where you can fill in what you need. Once again I never put anything in that text field and it has not hurt anything. On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Catherine Turner catherineturner2...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I just went to set up Mail for the first time on my Macbook. It asked for some information like name, e-mail address and password which I filled in. But one of the text fields wasn't saying what it was for - VO just said text field. Anyone remember or got any ideas what that text field is for? Thanks, Catherine --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ -- Twitter: CTurner1980 My blog: http://catherineturner.wordpress.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Hello Brenda. www.applevis.com has a great podcast on how to set up a macbook. It is the macbook air but the theory is still the very same. it is worth listening to. On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:48 AM, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
@btinternet.com IBELIEVE THAT ALL MACS STILL COME WITH VOICEOVER STARTING UP BY DEFAULT. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO RUN THE GETTING STARTED WIZARD. IF YOUR MAC HAS THIS TURNED OFF THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS USE COMMAND F5 TO TURN VOICEOVER ON. IF THIS DOES NOT WORK YOU CAN THEN TRY FN COMMAND F5 IF YOUR FUNCTION KEYS ARE SET TO HARDWARE RATHER THAN software . YOUR Voiceover keys are CONTROL AND OPTION AND YOU COULD START WITH hitting vo H to bring up Voiceover and help and select the Quick start tutorial. This should happen by default anyway if it is a new Mac I think. David Griffith d.griffith On 12 Sep 2013, at 15:48, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver
Thanks, Mike. Do you have your podcasts yet on getting started with the Mac? Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net To: mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver When using a windows keyboard, the windows key is command and the alt key is option. So, the voiceover keys would be control and alt. Original message: David, on a windows keyboard, what are the equivalents to things like VoiceOver and Options and Command keys? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:22 AM Subject: Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver @btinternet.com I BELIEVE THAT ALL MACS STILL COME WITH VOICEOVER STARTING UP BY DEFAULT. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO RUN THE GETTING STARTED WIZARD. IF YOUR MAC HAS THIS TURNED OFF THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS USE COMMAND F5 TO TURN VOICEOVER ON. IF THIS DOES NOT WORK YOU CAN THEN TRY FN COMMAND F5 IF YOUR FUNCTION KEYS ARE SET TO HARDWARE RATHER THAN software . YOUR Voiceover keys are CONTROL AND OPTION AND YOU COULD START WITH hitting vo H to bring up Voiceover and help and select the Quick start tutorial. This should happen by default anyway if it is a new Mac I think. David Griffith d.griffith On 12 Sep 2013, at 15:48, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote: Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver? Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Revised: control, option, command keys. was: if i get a Mac, ---?
From: Artie! September 12, 2013 8:05 PM My Apple is a Mac Book Pro 13 [laptop]. However, I bought a full keyboard to attach via USB plug. The full keyboard has the large black keys and supersize characters in white. Of course that doesn't mean anything to me, but we marked certain keys so I can feel where my fingers are. From the space bar going left, first is the command key, [which is the alt key on the ms keyboard, then the option key, [which is the logo key on the MS keyboard,] then the control key, [same as the MS keybord]. From the space bar going right; first is the command key, [which is the alt key on the MS keyboard], then the option key, [which is the logo key on the MS keyboard], then the control key, [same as the MS keyboard]. I had to grasp the concept that the control key and the option key together are called v o. Combos such as v o + space, and v o + right arrow at first blew my mind. Now we've lerned: v o command + h; and v o command shift + h in safari. Say what? For Brenda; doing some of the functions in apple are similar to the MS keystrokes; similar. To copy selected text [to the clipboard],cmd+c instead of ctrl+c. To cut to the clipboard is cmd+x instead of ctrl+x. To paste is cmd+v instead of ctrl+v. To undo is cmd+z instead of ctrl+z. Artie. =. From: Mike Arrigo When using a windows keyboard, the windows key is command and the alt key is option. So, the voiceover keys would be control and alt. . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver?
My Apple is a Mac Book Pro 13 [laptop]. However, I bought a full keyboard to attach via USB plug. The full keyboard has the large black keys and supersize characters in white. Of course that doesn't mean anything to me, but we marked certain keys so I can feel where my fingers are. From the space bar going left, first is the command key, [which is the alt key on the ms keyboard, then the option key, [which is the logo key on the MS keyboard,] then the control key, [same as the MS keybord]. From the space bar going right; first is the command key, [which is the alt key on the MS keyboard], then the option key, [which is the logo key on the MS keyboard], then the control key, [same as the MS keyboard]. I had to grasp the concept that the control key and the option key together are called v o. Combos such as v o + space, and v o + right arrow at first blew my mind. Now we've lerned: v o command + h; and v o command shift + h in safari. Say what? For Brenda; doing some of the functions in apple are similar to the MS keystrokes; similar. To copy selected text [to the clipboard],cmd+c instead of ctrl+c. To cut to the clipboard is cmd+x instead of ctrl+x. To paste is cmd+v instead of ctrl+v. To undo is cmd+z instead of ctrl+z. Artie. =. From: Mike Arrigo When using a windows keyboard, the windows key is command and the alt key is option. So, the voiceover keys would be control and alt. . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/