RE: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
I hope it is fixed, because it really worked very nice. Now, it makes me crazy to bring Siri out and ask for things.. IT is a shame. Cheers! Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 11:53, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com escribió: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras would be nice, but not essential. I very much welcome your input, and I hope that we can maintain a cordial and productive discussion. Warm regards Lynne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
When I asked it to check the weather, with VoiceOver on it will describe the current condition, the temperature, and a summary of the conditions for the next few days. With VoiceOver off all Siri says is, ok. here is the weather, and displays and not reads it. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 12:37, Carol Pearson wrote: Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were
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OK, Chris, very interesting, especially as people are reporting that Siri seems to be working better without VO on. Thanks for this explanation. I'll look for more examples. carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:43 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked it to check the weather, with VoiceOver on it will describe the current condition, the temperature, and a summary of the conditions for the next few days. With VoiceOver off all Siri says is, ok. here is the weather, and displays and not reads it. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 12:37, Carol Pearson wrote: Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably
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Yeah, maybe that's a benefit to us. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences that you noticed? I am toying with the idea of upgrading all of our iPhones to the 5S. But I seem to remember that there is no longer a 64GB model available. Our iPhones are currently all the 4S 64GB models. They work fine, and if I'm going to upgrade there's have to be significant reasons. Yes, the dual cameras
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Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because it'll say Look and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, I think. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase
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Hei, a good idea! I think that we can gust used to new ways of doing things, but what I just don't like, is that Siri now is slow, and many times she says: I am sorry, but I can' help you at this time Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 16:17, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net escribió: Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because it'll say Look and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, I think. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating
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I've heard that quite a bit. I've also heard: 'm sorry. I can take no more requests at this time. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 9:24 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Hei, a good idea! I think that we can gust used to new ways of doing things, but what I just don't like, is that Siri now is slow, and many times she says: I am sorry, but I can' help you at this time Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 16:17, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net escribió: Yeah, I've noticed that. I hate to search for something with Siri, because it'll say Look and I discovered if I do a two finger swipe up the screen, I can see what she's telling me to look at, but this is a real bummer to me, I think. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now
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Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
For me and siri I don't use it for calls, ever. I never did as it has always failed there even in ios6. but as for asking it stuff, it works just fantastic for me. I can get stuff spot on. Just give it a few more weeks as there are millions of people right nor accessing the servers. If only it can do why the droid does and have most of that stuff like the dictation and contact calling take place off line, and on the device. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:58 AM, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote: I hope it is fixed, because it really worked very nice. Now, it makes me crazy to bring Siri out and ask for things.. IT is a shame. Cheers! Daniela Rubio T iPhone: +34662328507 El 04/10/2013, a las 11:53, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com escribió: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7?
Sure. Try, what plains are above me. In fact go look at http://audioboo.fm/marrie1 and it should be the latest one there. I did a mini thing on that. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:37 AM, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: Chris, can you please give an example, a specific question asked, so that we can see what you mean? carol P Sent from my iPod On 4 Oct 2013, at 12:33 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Have you guys noticed Siri behaves differently whether VoiceOver is on or off? With VoiceOver on Siri is more descriptive but with VoiceOver off Siri is less than helpful and expects you to look at any information presented. Just saying. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 04/10/2013 11:18, Josh Gregory wrote: Yeah, the only sure fire way that I can think of to get it to work would be to turn off voice over, and even then it won't work half the time. Sometimes it will work, but it is hit or miss, I might ask it a few things and it might be spot on sometimes, but that's only sometimes. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:53 AM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree that the usability of Siri has plummeted. It has failed to make 3 calls in the last 10 minutes alone even though it announces that it is calling the number. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of William Lomas Sent: 03 October 2013 21:15 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? siri for me on ios is shocking now it never responds smile i do like the OS now since 7.0.2 it seems a lot more responsive to VO users though battery life as to be expected terrible even with motion control off On 3 Oct 2013, at 21:01, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I think you're a little confused. The 5C does not go any higher than the 32 gig model, but the 5S goes all the way up to 64 gigs. I just wanted to clarify, as I can see where that may be confusing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: What's the accessibility take on iOS7? I love ios7 and all its glory. It's accessible with some quirks and some pas crash and brake, but I'm sure that will come in time. But as for access issues others are reporting I'm not ringing them. Yu just need to practice some of the jesters until you can do them in your sleep. Where did you hear the 64 gig model was *not* going to be around anymore? I did not hear such a thing even in the key note in june. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 1:14 AM, Cait and Maggie caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lynn, Personally, I like IOS 7. some of the gestures took some getting used to, and I still struggle with a few of them, but that's me and not the OS! We upgraded both our phones from i phone 4's to the 5C, 32 g model. IOS 7 does run a bit faster on the new phones, but we didn't play around a lot with the older phones, either. I am also running the new OS on my i pad 2 and it's a bit sluggish, but this doesn't make it unusable. I'm not sure what's available in the UK, but here in Canada, you can definitely buy a 5S in the 64 g model. Caitlyn On 2013-10-03, at 4:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ly...@mac-access.net wrote: Hello everybody Firstly, let me just say that I'm not interested in what the fat cats and the professional analysts say; I'm looking for genuine user opinion here. I just wondered what you all make of iOS7.02 now that it is public, in terms of accessibility primarily, and functionality as a secondary topic. Speaking as somebody with vision, on the outside looking in as you might say, it seems to me that Apple has maintained its reputation and commitment as far as iOS is concerned, to accessibility. Although I haven't gave much of an opportunity to play around with VoiceOver yet, from the visual perspective iOS7.02 is gorgeous. I love the way that applications can now interact, and the gestures which were there in iOS6 have been improved upon. Of course, Apple's errors which only came to light when iOS7 hit the streets were a little embarrassing for them I would think. But in fairness, they did move swiftly to address them and now, we would seem to have as secure a mobiles operating system as we can reasonably expect. I do have one query though. I remember reading in the release notes that there are a small number of functions which only apply to the iPhone5, iPhone5C and iPhone5S. Is there anybody who has upgraded since the release of iOS7 to an iPhone5, iPhone5C or iPhone5S from an earlier model and has noticed a significant increase in functionality? If so, what were the significant differences
Re: mouse clicking with VO
It is designed to work in tandem with what ever tools are you ar using so keep it on as when you need the address bar with cmd l vo will then activate otherwise it is kept quiet. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey, had a play with crome vox and i must say it isn't to bad at all. should you turn off VO when using vox? because VO reads a lot more stuff such as menues. thanks Michael On 04/10/2013, at 1:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Chrome vox is a chrome extension that is a screen reading for the chrome browser and chrome OS. There is a list that discusses access to chrome in general and chrome vox. It's on google groups.Here is the info and link to the list page and more. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/axs-chrome-discuss Good luck. On Oct 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey, thanks for that info. what is chrome vox? is it an extension for crome or another browser? thanks Michael On 03/10/2013, at 11:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: download and use chrome vox. I don't have a link to it but there i a list that discusses chrome accessibility. I can get that stuff to you later when I get back home from classes today if you want. Good luck. On Oct 3, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey andy, good thinking there, i will test crome if a site is not working with the other one. thanks Michael On 03/10/2013, at 10:21 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Michael - I've not use Chrome for that kind of thing. Perhaps like me you may have to use both browsers, determined by how a website functions with each. I guess you could keep Safari as your main one, especially if that's where your book marks are, and just use Chrome when you find things aren't going so well under Safari. Not perfect is it, but I guess we have to keep adapting - Andy On 3 Oct 2013, at 12:34, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey andy, thanks for the reply to my question. i have played around with crome a tad and am wondering if there is a way to make it a bit more accessible? it's just little things like importing bookmarks and such. thanks for any help Michael On 03/10/2013, at 8:20 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Michael - This may or may not help, but I have encountered this when using Safari, but had better success when using Google Chrome. I use Chrome most of the time as it does seem to work better - Andy On 3 Oct 2013, at 07:19, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey listers, i'm having abit of trubbel with a website. there are bits of text on the pottermore site that can be clicked, the problem is that even if i hit VO cmd f5 to move the mouse pointer to the spot it never clicks what i want it to click on. i'm getting quite mad over this. any help getting to grips with this would be fantastic. thanks Michael --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership
Re: hide/show mail activity in mac mail
That shows on the side your current activity like when you are receiving mail or sending ma message, it shows it in I think kilobits a second, but I can't remember for the moment. I get my abbreviations mixed up on that lol! On Oct 3, 2013, at 9:37 PM, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote: Hi all, What does the hide/show mail activity in mac mail do? I toggle it and nothing seems to change. Is it a visual thing, or am I just missing something. Thanks, Don --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad
Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to add items to the rotor on the trackpad. I don't see a rotor option for edit fields and I know when Safari opens that there is one. Of course, the VO cursor lands on it, but if one is filling out a form or an order form to shop, it would be nice to be able to jump from field to field. Any suggestions on where to find it and how to add this option would be appreciated Thanks in advance. Best, Eileen . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
braille connect 40 braille display
I recently paired my braille connect 40 with my macbook. Everything is working fine, accept that whatever words that are under the cursor are expanded into grade 1 Braille instead of remaining in grade 2. I've looked through the voice over utility as well as the manual for the braille connect, and i can't find anything that explains how to stop the display from always expanding the contents under the cursor. If anyone knows how to do this and can help, that would be great because reading those random words in grade 1 braille is frustrating. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad
If you have single letter navigation turned on in Quick Nav settings you can jump to the next edit box by simply pressing the letter F for form field. Similarly B for Button, H for header etc. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: 04 October 2013 20:09 To: Mac-Access@mac-access.net Subject: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to add items to the rotor on the trackpad. I don't see a rotor option for edit fields and I know when Safari opens that there is one. Of course, the VO cursor lands on it, but if one is filling out a form or an order form to shop, it would be nice to be able to jump from field to field. Any suggestions on where to find it and how to add this option would be appreciated Thanks in advance. Best, Eileen . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Getting rid of a screen saver
Hello, I am running the latest level of Mac OS on my now rather old iMac. I want to get rid of the BOINC screen saver. Alas VO does not work for the screen saver panel of system preferences. The panel is nearly always busy and I have not found any way to modify the attributes of any screen saver nor can I change the screen saver which is active. Is there any way to get round this such as Terminal commands or editing some file in the library or using Cocktail? A key reason I want to change the screen saver is that I cannot leave SuperDuper running unattended as the screen saver kicks in before SuperDuper has finished which then causes SuperDuper to fail. I would much appreciate any suggestions. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Getting rid of a screen saver
In energy set the time the screen saver goes on to higher then its default. I don't know of such terminal commands and I can modify mine just fine, but then again my machine is only 3 years old, I think. Lol. Hth sort of. On Oct 4, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hello, I am running the latest level of Mac OS on my now rather old iMac. I want to get rid of the BOINC screen saver. Alas VO does not work for the screen saver panel of system preferences. The panel is nearly always busy and I have not found any way to modify the attributes of any screen saver nor can I change the screen saver which is active. Is there any way to get round this such as Terminal commands or editing some file in the library or using Cocktail? A key reason I want to change the screen saver is that I cannot leave SuperDuper running unattended as the screen saver kicks in before SuperDuper has finished which then causes SuperDuper to fail. I would much appreciate any suggestions. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad
You can set up quick keys in quick nav to do this, but to add jut go to vo utility then to web and in there should be a rotor tab for you to play with. You have to check the ones you wan tin the pop up button thing. It's not an ordinary thing. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to add items to the rotor on the trackpad. I don't see a rotor option for edit fields and I know when Safari opens that there is one. Of course, the VO cursor lands on it, but if one is filling out a form or an order form to shop, it would be nice to be able to jump from field to field. Any suggestions on where to find it and how to add this option would be appreciated Thanks in advance. Best, Eileen . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad
Hi, Thanks for the info. That was one area that I didn't try in VO utility.I will check it out. Also, how do I turn on first letter navigation with the QuikNav? Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:25 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad You can set up quick keys in quick nav to do this, but to add jut go to vo utility then to web and in there should be a rotor tab for you to play with. You have to check the ones you wan tin the pop up button thing. It's not an ordinary thing. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to add items to the rotor on the trackpad. I don't see a rotor option for edit fields and I know when Safari opens that there is one. Of course, the VO cursor lands on it, but if one is filling out a form or an order form to shop, it would be nice to be able to jump from field to field. Any suggestions on where to find it and how to add this option would be appreciated Thanks in advance. Best, Eileen . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad
Hi! OK open VO+f8 then press Command+8 to take you to commanders, then select the quick nav tab and in the options of that tab is a checkbox to switch on single key navigation! HTH Colin On 4 Oct 2013, at 22:52, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the info. That was one area that I didn't try in VO utility.I will check it out. Also, how do I turn on first letter navigation with the QuikNav? Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:25 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad You can set up quick keys in quick nav to do this, but to add jut go to vo utility then to web and in there should be a rotor tab for you to play with. You have to check the ones you wan tin the pop up button thing. It's not an ordinary thing. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to add items to the rotor on the trackpad. I don't see a rotor option for edit fields and I know when Safari opens that there is one. Of course, the VO cursor lands on it, but if one is filling out a form or an order form to shop, it would be nice to be able to jump from field to field. Any suggestions on where to find it and how to add this option would be appreciated Thanks in advance. Best, Eileen . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: mouse clicking with VO
hey, thanks so much for this info. i'm really going to play with this today On 05/10/2013, at 1:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: It is designed to work in tandem with what ever tools are you ar using so keep it on as when you need the address bar with cmd l vo will then activate otherwise it is kept quiet. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey, had a play with crome vox and i must say it isn't to bad at all. should you turn off VO when using vox? because VO reads a lot more stuff such as menues. thanks Michael On 04/10/2013, at 1:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Chrome vox is a chrome extension that is a screen reading for the chrome browser and chrome OS. There is a list that discusses access to chrome in general and chrome vox. It's on google groups.Here is the info and link to the list page and more. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/axs-chrome-discuss Good luck. On Oct 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey, thanks for that info. what is chrome vox? is it an extension for crome or another browser? thanks Michael On 03/10/2013, at 11:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: download and use chrome vox. I don't have a link to it but there i a list that discusses chrome accessibility. I can get that stuff to you later when I get back home from classes today if you want. Good luck. On Oct 3, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey andy, good thinking there, i will test crome if a site is not working with the other one. thanks Michael On 03/10/2013, at 10:21 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Michael - I've not use Chrome for that kind of thing. Perhaps like me you may have to use both browsers, determined by how a website functions with each. I guess you could keep Safari as your main one, especially if that's where your book marks are, and just use Chrome when you find things aren't going so well under Safari. Not perfect is it, but I guess we have to keep adapting - Andy On 3 Oct 2013, at 12:34, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey andy, thanks for the reply to my question. i have played around with crome a tad and am wondering if there is a way to make it a bit more accessible? it's just little things like importing bookmarks and such. thanks for any help Michael On 03/10/2013, at 8:20 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Michael - This may or may not help, but I have encountered this when using Safari, but had better success when using Google Chrome. I use Chrome most of the time as it does seem to work better - Andy On 3 Oct 2013, at 07:19, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey listers, i'm having abit of trubbel with a website. there are bits of text on the pottermore site that can be clicked, the problem is that even if i hit VO cmd f5 to move the mouse pointer to the spot it never clicks what i want it to click on. i'm getting quite mad over this. any help getting to grips with this would be fantastic. thanks Michael --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own
Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad
Hi, Thanks. That did the check and I checked it out to make sure that Shift-single letter navigation worked also. Eileen On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi! OK open VO+f8 then press Command+8 to take you to commanders, then select the quick nav tab and in the options of that tab is a checkbox to switch on single key navigation! HTH Colin On 4 Oct 2013, at 22:52, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the info. That was one area that I didn't try in VO utility.I will check it out. Also, how do I turn on first letter navigation with the QuikNav? Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:25 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad You can set up quick keys in quick nav to do this, but to add jut go to vo utility then to web and in there should be a rotor tab for you to play with. You have to check the ones you wan tin the pop up button thing. It's not an ordinary thing. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to add items to the rotor on the trackpad. I don't see a rotor option for edit fields and I know when Safari opens that there is one. Of course, the VO cursor lands on it, but if one is filling out a form or an order form to shop, it would be nice to be able to jump from field to field. Any suggestions on where to find it and how to add this option would be appreciated Thanks in advance. Best, Eileen . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web
Re: mouse clicking with VO
Dunno if that will help the mouse clicking the original poster had, how ever it might see if the problem is with the website or voice over itself. Good luck On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey, thanks so much for this info. i'm really going to play with this today On 05/10/2013, at 1:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: It is designed to work in tandem with what ever tools are you ar using so keep it on as when you need the address bar with cmd l vo will then activate otherwise it is kept quiet. Tc. On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey, had a play with crome vox and i must say it isn't to bad at all. should you turn off VO when using vox? because VO reads a lot more stuff such as menues. thanks Michael On 04/10/2013, at 1:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Chrome vox is a chrome extension that is a screen reading for the chrome browser and chrome OS. There is a list that discusses access to chrome in general and chrome vox. It's on google groups.Here is the info and link to the list page and more. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/axs-chrome-discuss Good luck. On Oct 3, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey, thanks for that info. what is chrome vox? is it an extension for crome or another browser? thanks Michael On 03/10/2013, at 11:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: download and use chrome vox. I don't have a link to it but there i a list that discusses chrome accessibility. I can get that stuff to you later when I get back home from classes today if you want. Good luck. On Oct 3, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey andy, good thinking there, i will test crome if a site is not working with the other one. thanks Michael On 03/10/2013, at 10:21 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Michael - I've not use Chrome for that kind of thing. Perhaps like me you may have to use both browsers, determined by how a website functions with each. I guess you could keep Safari as your main one, especially if that's where your book marks are, and just use Chrome when you find things aren't going so well under Safari. Not perfect is it, but I guess we have to keep adapting - Andy On 3 Oct 2013, at 12:34, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey andy, thanks for the reply to my question. i have played around with crome a tad and am wondering if there is a way to make it a bit more accessible? it's just little things like importing bookmarks and such. thanks for any help Michael On 03/10/2013, at 8:20 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Michael - This may or may not help, but I have encountered this when using Safari, but had better success when using Google Chrome. I use Chrome most of the time as it does seem to work better - Andy On 3 Oct 2013, at 07:19, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: hey listers, i'm having abit of trubbel with a website. there are bits of text on the pottermore site that can be clicked, the problem is that even if i hit VO cmd f5 to move the mouse pointer to the spot it never clicks what i want it to click on. i'm getting quite mad over this. any help getting to grips with this would be fantastic. thanks Michael --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad
Go to key board, quick nav and check first letter navigation. then just enter quick nav when you want to do a quick letter thing and after you get there I turn qn off so as not to accidentally jump when I'm editing a field. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the info. That was one area that I didn't try in VO utility.I will check it out. Also, how do I turn on first letter navigation with the QuikNav? Thanks. Eileen -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 1:25 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Adding Items to the Rotor On the Trackpad You can set up quick keys in quick nav to do this, but to add jut go to vo utility then to web and in there should be a rotor tab for you to play with. You have to check the ones you wan tin the pop up button thing. It's not an ordinary thing. Tc. On Oct 4, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering if it is possible to add items to the rotor on the trackpad. I don't see a rotor option for edit fields and I know when Safari opens that there is one. Of course, the VO cursor lands on it, but if one is filling out a form or an order form to shop, it would be nice to be able to jump from field to field. Any suggestions on where to find it and how to add this option would be appreciated Thanks in advance. Best, Eileen . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's
