GPG

2013-10-18 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

Is anyone using GPG for the Mac? If so - and you've got time to do a bit of 
testing - then you can find my public GPG key on the server under my name at 
d.tretho...@me.com

Just in case people are wondering, GPG is an open source encryption platform, 
similar to PGP - Pretty Good Privacy -.

On the Mac its quite accessible, the only annoying problem I've found thus far 
is when you're searching for public keys, the Find dialogue box takes a 
little juggling but at least it works.



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how to close apps using a blue tooth keyboard

2013-10-18 Thread krystal watson


Sent from krystals iPhoneHow do you close apps using a blue tooth keyboard 
using voice over thanks 
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Re: how to close apps using a blue tooth keyboard

2013-10-18 Thread trevor

Hi crystal,
VO h


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RE: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Debbie April Yuille
Hi James

Isn't pages not very accessible with voice ober?

Debbie

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of JAMES AUSTIN
Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013 8:18 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Creating EPub books

You can create Epub books in both Pages and Nisus Writer Pro, but I have not
had need to try this yet. There was a post some time ago on the list about
creating such a book using Pages however.
On 17 Oct 2013, at 20:04, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 What is the best way for someone to create an EPub ebook?  I'm considering
writing a book, which eventually I want in IBooks, which means it's going to
have to be in EPub eventually.  Even if that's not the case though, I'd
still like to make an EPub version.  I tried IBooks Author from the app
store, and it looks sort of, ish, accessible, but I can't seem to get my
head around where I type my data into the document, as there isn't really a
text entry field from what I can tell.  I just wonder, thus, aside from this
app, what else may be out there that could help me with this.
 
 Chris.
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Re: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Debbie,

Where did you get the idea that Pages wasn't very accessible? There are a few 
problems with it, but most can be overcome. Lots of us on this list use Pages 
regularly.

Cheers,

Anne


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wrote:

 Hi James
 
 Isn't pages not very accessible with voice ober?
 
 Debbie

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RE: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Debbie April Yuille
ah ok. I was just under that impression. I'm not exactly sure. I guess I'd
heard that you aren't able to get around tables and just thought that the
whole thing wasn't really that good with voiceover. What about the other
iWork applications? Which of them work with Voiceover? Also are you able to
perform a word count?

Debbie


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Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013 9:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Creating EPub books

Hello Debbie,

Where did you get the idea that Pages wasn't very accessible? There are a
few problems with it, but most can be overcome. Lots of us on this list use
Pages regularly.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Oct 2013, at 11:09, Debbie April Yuille debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

 Hi James
 
 Isn't pages not very accessible with voice ober?
 
 Debbie

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Re: how to close apps using a blue tooth keyboard

2013-10-18 Thread Esther
Hello Krystal,

Are you using your Bluetooth keyboard in iOS 7 or iOS 6?  To close apps in 
either version of iOS with a Bluetooth keyboard, you first bring up the app 
switcher window by pressing VO-h-h. That means holding down the Control and 
Option keys while you double tap the h key, where the Control and Option keys 
are the second and third keys from the left, on the bottom row of an Apple 
wireless keyboard.

1. In iOS 7 you'll hear VoiceOver say swipe up with three fingers to close the 
app.  
1a. Navigate to the app you wish to close with VO-right arrow
1b. Press Option-down arrow to close an app (e.g., just lift the finger used to 
hold down the left of the two VO keys, and tap the down arrow key.) Option-down 
arrow is equivalent to a three finger swipe up.
1c. Repeat step 1b to close the next app, or steps 1a and 1b if you want to 
only close specific apps and leave others running
1d. Press the escape key in the top left of the keyboard to exit the app 
switcher and return to your home screen.

2. In iOS 6, once you have brought up the app switcher window, you must first 
enter the Editing apps mode (e.g. with the double tap and hold gesture) 
before you can navigate to apps and close them.
2a. VO-Shift-m (VoiceOver will say Editing apps)
2b. Navigate (if necessary) to the app you wish to close with VO-right arrow.
2c. Press VO-space to close the app.
2d. Repeat step 2c to close the next app, or steps 2b and 2c if you want to 
only close specific apps.  One difference in iOS 6 is that if you need to move 
to a different page to navigate to an app you need to close, you have to press 
Option-right arrow. In iOS 7, once you're in the app switcher window, you don't 
need to think about the fact that there are four apps per page on an iPhone 
screen.
2e. Press the escape key to exit the app switcher and return to your home 
screen.

HTH.  You can navigate to apps with either VO-right arrow or just right arrow.  
But since you have to press one or both of the VO keys to close an app, I find 
it easier to keep my left hand fingers on the VO keys (Control and Option) 
while I tap the right arrow key to navigate.

Cheers,

Esther
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Audiobook Builder CLI

2013-10-18 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi all,

I've tried to find an answer to this one but can't.  Does Audiobook Builder 
have a command-line interface?  Failing this, is there anything that does have 
one, that performs the same task?

I have a couple of dozen books I want to convert so I'd prefer to use a simple 
script rather than messing around on a GUI.

Thanks,

Dónal
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School of Computing, 
Dublin City University,
Glasnevin, 
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Re: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Debbie,

All the iWork applications for Mac work with VoiceOver. You can manage tables 
in Pages but it's complicated and VoiceOver doesn't see them when they are 
embedded in the text rather than shown as separate elements on the page.

Keynote has its problems too, but there are ways round them.

Numbers gives trouble when a table is very big. VoiceOver gets busy, slowing 
things down.

However, it really is time we had a new version of iWork since the current one 
is four years old.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Oct 2013, at 12:17, Debbie April Yuille debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au 
wrote:

 ah ok. I was just under that impression. I'm not exactly sure. I guess I'd
 heard that you aren't able to get around tables and just thought that the
 whole thing wasn't really that good with voiceover. What about the other
 iWork applications? Which of them work with Voiceover? Also are you able to
 perform a word count?
 
 Debbie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013 9:15 PM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Creating EPub books
 
 Hello Debbie,
 
 Where did you get the idea that Pages wasn't very accessible? There are a
 few problems with it, but most can be overcome. Lots of us on this list use
 Pages regularly.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 18 Oct 2013, at 11:09, Debbie April Yuille debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au
 wrote:
 
 Hi James
 
 Isn't pages not very accessible with voice ober?
 
 Debbie
 
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RE: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Debbie April Yuille
Yeah, I'm surprised that iWork hasn't been updated. That's why I'm reluctent
to give it a try. I too wish that there was a new iWork out.

Debbie

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Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013 10:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Creating EPub books

Hello Debbie,

All the iWork applications for Mac work with VoiceOver. You can manage
tables in Pages but it's complicated and VoiceOver doesn't see them when
they are embedded in the text rather than shown as separate elements on the
page.

Keynote has its problems too, but there are ways round them.

Numbers gives trouble when a table is very big. VoiceOver gets busy, slowing
things down.

However, it really is time we had a new version of iWork since the current
one is four years old.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Oct 2013, at 12:17, Debbie April Yuille debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

 ah ok. I was just under that impression. I'm not exactly sure. I guess I'd
 heard that you aren't able to get around tables and just thought that the
 whole thing wasn't really that good with voiceover. What about the other
 iWork applications? Which of them work with Voiceover? Also are you able
to
 perform a word count?
 
 Debbie
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
 Sent: Friday, 18 October 2013 9:15 PM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Creating EPub books
 
 Hello Debbie,
 
 Where did you get the idea that Pages wasn't very accessible? There are a
 few problems with it, but most can be overcome. Lots of us on this list
use
 Pages regularly.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 18 Oct 2013, at 11:09, Debbie April Yuille
debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au
 wrote:
 
 Hi James
 
 Isn't pages not very accessible with voice ober?
 
 Debbie
 
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Phone freezing under iOS 7, any ideas?

2013-10-18 Thread Chris H

Good afternoon all.
Somebody on this list I think shared a problem whereby there phone froze 
but could still use Siri and VoiceOver while Siri was active.
If anyone had a solution, please can you share this with us? Asking as 
maybe have missed it. List member Miss Day is having this right now on 
the 4s running iOS 7. She's managed to power off the phone but has a 
horrible feeling it now won't power back on. But maybe it's her lack of 
patience as she's not very good at that at times.

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Re: Using VoiceOver with Blackboard

2013-10-18 Thread Dane Trethowan
Stupid question no doubt but what's Blackboard?


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   If anyone is successfully using Blackboard with VoiceOver, could you please 
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Re: Using VoiceOver with Blackboard

2013-10-18 Thread isaac
Blackboard is a platform where colleges or schools have there students 
upload there work


-Original Message- 
From: Dane Trethowan

Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 8:36 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Using VoiceOver with Blackboard

Stupid question no doubt but what's Blackboard?


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  If anyone is successfully using Blackboard with VoiceOver, could you 
please contact me off list?  I am particularly interested in anyone who 
has created content using Blackboard.  Please email,

j...@macfortheblind.com

Thank You


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Re: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
So then, if I do it in Pages, how easy I wonder is it to add a table of 
contents, my dedication/copyright pages, and section/chapter marks?


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From: JAMES AUSTIN james.aus...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Creating EPub books


You can create Epub books in both Pages and Nisus Writer Pro, but I have not 
had need to try this yet. There was a post some time ago on the list about 
creating such a book using Pages however.

On 17 Oct 2013, at 20:04, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

What is the best way for someone to create an EPub ebook?  I’m considering 
writing a book, which eventually I want in IBooks, which means it’s going 
to have to be in EPub eventually.  Even if that’s not the case though, I’d 
still like to make an EPub version.  I tried IBooks Author from the app 
store, and it looks sort of, ish, accessible, but I can’t seem to get my 
head around where I type my data into the document, as there isn’t really 
a text entry field from what I can tell.  I just wonder, thus, aside from 
this app, what else may be out there that could help me with this.


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Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in mind, I 
do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a change like 
using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.


Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon.  I've 
also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in the latest 
update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your map  manager 
just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, I could flick 
through all the different states, then all I had to do was double tap the 
name of the state to select it, then go to the very bottom center of the 
screen and double tap on accept changes.  Then, all I had to do was double 
tap my clock in the status bar to jump back to the top of the screen, then I 
could flick down and monitor the download status.  When done, I could just 
again, double tap near the bottom center of the screen on start app. 
Unfortunately, now on my IPad, and my IPhone, in this case however 
specifically the IPad, although again I'm seeing this in both places, I'm 
hearing the little chirp sound you get when a Safari web page finishes 
loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do this as I flick through the states 
trying to find North Carolina.  If I just sit still, I'm fine.  I'm finding 
that when I hear that chirp and the map manager updates and refreshes, I 
completely lose focus.  This happens literally almost 2 seconds after 
flicking from one area of the screen to another, causing me to have to 
deadwrecken over and over and over and over until, god willing, I'll hit 
North Carolina, then can hall major butt and double tap before anything 
happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it won't work anymore like it 
used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is becoming not worth it.  I do 
wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when the map manager did! first 
come up, once I got to North Carolina and double tapped, once I accepted 
changes, it told me it was downloading somewhere in the ballpark of about 
200 something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a huge amount just for 
North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, yeah, but come on! 
We're not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  So, my theory is, I 
wanted to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's doing is 
downloading all of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the ones I 
don't really need per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that definitely! 
would explain it losing focus and constantly updating every couple of 
seconds, plus would explain the reason it's saying over 200MB.  Once that 
200MB's done, it doesn't seem at that point to keep refreshing.  This is why 
I really stand strong on my theory.  I just wonder in this latest update, if 
anyone may know what is going on and can give me a concreet rock-solid 
answer.


Chris. 


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Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Amber H
Chris,

I will admit that I haven't used it recently, but I would be happy to
launc mine and tell you what I get.  I have never encountered this
before, but I did tell my apps to update in the background, so I'm
sure I have the latest version; I just need to look at it!

Best,

Amber

On 10/18/13, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in mind, I

 do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a change like
 using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.

 Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon.  I've
 also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in the latest

 update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your map  manager
 just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, I could flick
 through all the different states, then all I had to do was double tap the
 name of the state to select it, then go to the very bottom center of the
 screen and double tap on accept changes.  Then, all I had to do was double
 tap my clock in the status bar to jump back to the top of the screen, then I

 could flick down and monitor the download status.  When done, I could just
 again, double tap near the bottom center of the screen on start app.
 Unfortunately, now on my IPad, and my IPhone, in this case however
 specifically the IPad, although again I'm seeing this in both places, I'm
 hearing the little chirp sound you get when a Safari web page finishes
 loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do this as I flick through the states

 trying to find North Carolina.  If I just sit still, I'm fine.  I'm finding

 that when I hear that chirp and the map manager updates and refreshes, I
 completely lose focus.  This happens literally almost 2 seconds after
 flicking from one area of the screen to another, causing me to have to
 deadwrecken over and over and over and over until, god willing, I'll hit
 North Carolina, then can hall major butt and double tap before anything
 happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it won't work anymore like it
 used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is becoming not worth it.  I do

 wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when the map manager did! first
 come up, once I got to North Carolina and double tapped, once I accepted
 changes, it told me it was downloading somewhere in the ballpark of about
 200 something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a huge amount just for
 North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, yeah, but come on!
 We're not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  So, my theory is, I

 wanted to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's doing is
 downloading all of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the ones I
 don't really need per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that definitely!

 would explain it losing focus and constantly updating every couple of
 seconds, plus would explain the reason it's saying over 200MB.  Once that
 200MB's done, it doesn't seem at that point to keep refreshing.  This is why

 I really stand strong on my theory.  I just wonder in this latest update, if

 anyone may know what is going on and can give me a concreet rock-solid
 answer.

 Chris.

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Re: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Chris,

In Pages, as long as you set the paragraph styles correctly for the body text 
and headings, you can create a table of contents automatically using the 
appropriate command in the Insert menu.

Before putting much text into your document, you should set hotkeys for all the 
paragraph styles you'll need. The hotkeys are F1 to F8 and all you have to do 
to apply a style is be in the paragraph and press the hotkey.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Oct 2013, at 17:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:

 So then, if I do it in Pages, how easy I wonder is it to add a table of 
 contents, my dedication/copyright pages, and section/chapter marks?
 
 Chris.
 
 
 Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
 
 http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
 
 For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
 on Twitter.
 
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 - Original Message - From: JAMES AUSTIN 
 james.aus...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Creating EPub books
 
 
 You can create Epub books in both Pages and Nisus Writer Pro, but I have not 
 had need to try this yet. There was a post some time ago on the list about 
 creating such a book using Pages however.
 On 17 Oct 2013, at 20:04, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 What is the best way for someone to create an EPub ebook?  I’m considering 
 writing a book, which eventually I want in IBooks, which means it’s going to 
 have to be in EPub eventually.  Even if that’s not the case though, I’d 
 still like to make an EPub version.  I tried IBooks Author from the app 
 store, and it looks sort of, ish, accessible, but I can’t seem to get my 
 head around where I type my data into the document, as there isn’t really a 
 text entry field from what I can tell.  I just wonder, thus, aside from this 
 app, what else may be out there that could help me with this.
 
 Chris.
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Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I get that to but I just fight through it. I think it's refreshing the thing as 
you go along for some odd reason. This has been the issue for some weeks now, 
since ios7 and the navigon update was released. HOpe they will fix it.

Tc.
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in mind, I 
 do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a change like using 
 Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.
 
 Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon.  I've 
 also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in the latest 
 update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your map  manager just 
 like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, I could flick through 
 all the different states, then all I had to do was double tap the name of the 
 state to select it, then go to the very bottom center of the screen and 
 double tap on accept changes.  Then, all I had to do was double tap my clock 
 in the status bar to jump back to the top of the screen, then I could flick 
 down and monitor the download status.  When done, I could just again, double 
 tap near the bottom center of the screen on start app. Unfortunately, now on 
 my IPad, and my IPhone, in this case however specifically the IPad, although 
 again I'm seeing this in both places, I'm hearing the little chirp sound you 
 get when a Safari web page finishes loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do 
 this as I flick through the states trying to find North Carolina.  If I just 
 sit still, I'm fine.  I'm finding that when I hear that chirp and the map 
 manager updates and refreshes, I completely lose focus.  This happens 
 literally almost 2 seconds after flicking from one area of the screen to 
 another, causing me to have to deadwrecken over and over and over and over 
 until, god willing, I'll hit North Carolina, then can hall major butt and 
 double tap before anything happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it 
 won't work anymore like it used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is 
 becoming not worth it.  I do wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when 
 the map manager did! first come up, once I got to North Carolina and double 
 tapped, once I accepted changes, it told me it was downloading somewhere in 
 the ballpark of about 200 something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a 
 huge amount just for North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, 
 yeah, but come on! We're not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  
 So, my theory is, I wanted to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's 
 doing is downloading all of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the 
 ones I don't really need per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that 
 definitely! would explain it losing focus and constantly updating every 
 couple of seconds, plus would explain the reason it's saying over 200MB.  
 Once that 200MB's done, it doesn't seem at that point to keep refreshing.  
 This is why I really stand strong on my theory.  I just wonder in this latest 
 update, if anyone may know what is going on and can give me a concreet 
 rock-solid answer.
 
 Chris. 
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Ordering mail boxes in Apple Mail

2013-10-18 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
I recall that this topic has been discussed before but I cannot find the 
results. 

I am running the latest Mac OS and use VoiceOver. How do I order my mail boxes 
in the mail box table of Apple mail? At present they seem to be ordered in the 
order in which they were created. I woulld like to order them in alphabetic 
order. 
Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell

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Re: how to close apps using a blue tooth keyboard

2013-10-18 Thread Gordon Smith



Hi Krystal
 Just to be totally clear.  %D you mean close the application, 
as in re%move it from the list of active tasks, or do you mean 
`hide the app, as in close the window but leave it running?

 Kind Regards
 Gordon Smith
 Information Technology Accessibility consultant


- Original Message -
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Date sent: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:01:38 +0100
Subject: Re: how to close apps using a blue tooth keyboard

Hi crystal,
VO h


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Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 9:39 AM
To: mac access group
Subject: how to close apps using a blue tooth keyboard



Sent from krystals iPhoneHow do you close apps using a blue tooth 
keyboard

using voice over thanks
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Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Eileens Misrahi
Hello,

I was wondering if you have a backup in iTunes of the last version? Since I 
have not updated to iOS 7 and still running 6.1.2, I am not having this 
problem. I also am using the last version and didn't update Navigon. May be you 
can roll back to the last version for now. 

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I get that to but I just fight through it. I think it's refreshing the thing 
 as you go along for some odd reason. This has been the issue for some weeks 
 now, since ios7 and the navigon update was released. HOpe they will fix it.
 
 Tc.
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in mind, I 
 do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a change like 
 using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.
 
 Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon.  I've 
 also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in the latest 
 update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your map  manager 
 just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, I could flick 
 through all the different states, then all I had to do was double tap the 
 name of the state to select it, then go to the very bottom center of the 
 screen and double tap on accept changes.  Then, all I had to do was double 
 tap my clock in the status bar to jump back to the top of the screen, then I 
 could flick down and monitor the download status.  When done, I could just 
 again, double tap near the bottom center of the screen on start app. 
 Unfortunately, now on my IPad, and my IPhone, in this case however 
 specifically the IPad, although again I'm seeing this in both places, I'm 
 hearing the little chirp sound you get when a Safari web page finishes 
 loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do this as I flick through the states 
 trying to find North Carolina.  If I just sit still, I'm fine.  I'm finding 
 that when I hear that chirp and the map manager updates and refreshes, I 
 completely lose focus.  This happens literally almost 2 seconds after 
 flicking from one area of the screen to another, causing me to have to 
 deadwrecken over and over and over and over until, god willing, I'll hit 
 North Carolina, then can hall major butt and double tap before anything 
 happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it won't work anymore like it 
 used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is becoming not worth it.  I do 
 wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when the map manager did! first 
 come up, once I got to North Carolina and double tapped, once I accepted 
 changes, it told me it was downloading somewhere in the ballpark of about 
 200 something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a huge amount just for 
 North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, yeah, but come on! We're 
 not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  So, my theory is, I wanted 
 to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's doing is downloading all 
 of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the ones I don't really need 
 per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that definitely! would explain it 
 losing focus and constantly updating every couple of seconds, plus would 
 explain the reason it's saying over 200MB.  Once that 200MB's done, it 
 doesn't seem at that point to keep refreshing.  This is why I really stand 
 strong on my theory.  I just wonder in this latest update, if anyone may 
 know what is going on and can give me a concreet rock-solid answer.
 
 Chris. 
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Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Esther
Hello Chris, Sarah, Eileen, and Others,

I'm also not updated to the latest version of Navigon or to iOS 7 on my iPhone, 
which is running 6.1.4. I usually try to post popular VoiceOver compatible apps 
that go on sale under the App Deals section of AppleVis.com.  I noticed that 
all the Navigon apps took large price drops just  1 week after a new version, 
2.6, was released on September 19.  That sale price has remained in effect from 
September 26 to October 15. However, I also noticed that all the reviews for 
Navigon took an immediate dive, with many 1-star reviews stating that the last 
upgrade was terrible, that they can no longer establish connections with the 
server, and that (for the latest version 2.6.1 released on September 30) there 
are difficulties saving destinations as favorites.

Chris, a check just now of some of the most recent reviews by version 2.6.1 
users shows a few people complaining about the new map downloads.  I haven't 
run the map update, and North Carolina shows up as  49.7 MB download for me in 
the Map Manager.

Because of all the negative reviews, I refrained from posting an App Deal 
announcement, and I also haven't been updating this app.  Navigon is also 
working just fine for me, especially in combination with BlindSquare.

If anyone has an iTunes backup of an earlier version of Navigon, perhaps trying 
Eileen's suggestion of rolling back to that previous version might work.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I was wondering if you have a backup in iTunes of the last version? Since I 
 have not updated to iOS 7 and still running 6.1.2, I am not having this 
 problem. I also am using the last version and didn't update Navigon. May be 
 you can roll back to the last version for now. 
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I get that to but I just fight through it. I think it's refreshing the thing 
 as you go along for some odd reason. This has been the issue for some weeks 
 now, since ios7 and the navigon update was released. HOpe they will fix it.
 
 Tc.
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in mind, 
 I do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a change like 
 using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.
 
 Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon.  I've 
 also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in the 
 latest update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your map  
 manager just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, I could 
 flick through all the different states, then all I had to do was double tap 
 the name of the state to select it, then go to the very bottom center of 
 the screen and double tap on accept changes.  Then, all I had to do was 
 double tap my clock in the status bar to jump back to the top of the 
 screen, then I could flick down and monitor the download status.  When 
 done, I could just again, double tap near the bottom center of the screen 
 on start app. Unfortunately, now on my IPad, and my IPhone, in this case 
 however specifically the IPad, although again I'm seeing this in both 
 places, I'm hearing the little chirp sound you get when a Safari web page 
 finishes loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do this as I flick through 
 the states trying to find North Carolina.  If I just sit still, I'm fine.  
 I'm finding that when I hear that chirp and the map manager updates and 
 refreshes, I completely lose focus.  This happens literally almost 2 
 seconds after flicking from one area of the screen to another, causing me 
 to have to deadwrecken over and over and over and over until, god willing, 
 I'll hit North Carolina, then can hall major butt and double tap before 
 anything happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it won't work anymore 
 like it used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is becoming not worth 
 it.  I do wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when the map manager 
 did! first come up, once I got to North Carolina and double tapped, once I 
 accepted changes, it told me it was downloading somewhere in the ballpark 
 of about 200 something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a huge amount 
 just for North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, yeah, but come 
 on! We're not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  So, my theory 
 is, I wanted to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's doing is 
 downloading all of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the ones I 
 don't really need per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that definitely! 
 would explain it losing focus and constantly updating every couple of 
 seconds, plus would explain the reason it's saying over 200MB.  Once that 
 200MB's done, it doesn't seem at 

Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Yeah, Amber.  That would be very greatly appreciated if you could have a 
quick peek when you get a second.


Thanks for your offering.

Chris.


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- Original Message - 
From: Amber H thetravele...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Navigon North America


Chris,

I will admit that I haven't used it recently, but I would be happy to
launc mine and tell you what I get.  I have never encountered this
before, but I did tell my apps to update in the background, so I'm
sure I have the latest version; I just need to look at it!

Best,

Amber

On 10/18/13, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in mind, 
I


do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a change like
using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.

Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon.  I've
also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in the 
latest


update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your map  manager
just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, I could flick
through all the different states, then all I had to do was double tap the
name of the state to select it, then go to the very bottom center of the
screen and double tap on accept changes.  Then, all I had to do was double
tap my clock in the status bar to jump back to the top of the screen, then 
I


could flick down and monitor the download status.  When done, I could just
again, double tap near the bottom center of the screen on start app.
Unfortunately, now on my IPad, and my IPhone, in this case however
specifically the IPad, although again I'm seeing this in both places, I'm
hearing the little chirp sound you get when a Safari web page finishes
loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do this as I flick through the 
states


trying to find North Carolina.  If I just sit still, I'm fine.  I'm 
finding


that when I hear that chirp and the map manager updates and refreshes, I
completely lose focus.  This happens literally almost 2 seconds after
flicking from one area of the screen to another, causing me to have to
deadwrecken over and over and over and over until, god willing, I'll hit
North Carolina, then can hall major butt and double tap before anything
happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it won't work anymore like it
used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is becoming not worth it.  I 
do


wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when the map manager did! first
come up, once I got to North Carolina and double tapped, once I accepted
changes, it told me it was downloading somewhere in the ballpark of about
200 something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a huge amount just for
North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, yeah, but come on!
We're not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  So, my theory is, 
I


wanted to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's doing is
downloading all of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the ones I
don't really need per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that 
definitely!


would explain it losing focus and constantly updating every couple of
seconds, plus would explain the reason it's saying over 200MB.  Once that
200MB's done, it doesn't seem at that point to keep refreshing.  This is 
why


I really stand strong on my theory.  I just wonder in this latest update, 
if


anyone may know what is going on and can give me a concreet rock-solid
answer.

Chris.

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You can 

Re: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Anne,

Can you e-mail me off list about your Pages training over Skype with a price 
etc?  Also have you got a syllabus you could send me that outlines the 
things you'd be coverring with me?  If it isn't to much, and you have any 
openings, I may very very possibly look into next month having you train me. 
I really! desperetly! need to get a better handle on using it, as that is 
one of the huge things keeping me from totally switching over to the Mac 
from a Windows environment, is I need access to a very powerful word 
processor, and someone who can work one on one with teaching it to me.


Anyway, my E-mail address to send me some information to is:

ch...@clgproductions.com

I'd be delighted if you could try to maybe set  something up with me.  Due 
to my recent surgery, I couldn't do much now over $100, but again, let's 
talk off list.  Maybe we can negotiate something.


Chris.


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http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow me 
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- Original Message - 
From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Creating EPub books


Hello Chris,

In Pages, as long as you set the paragraph styles correctly for the body 
text and headings, you can create a table of contents automatically using 
the appropriate command in the Insert menu.


Before putting much text into your document, you should set hotkeys for all 
the paragraph styles you'll need. The hotkeys are F1 to F8 and all you have 
to do to apply a style is be in the paragraph and press the hotkey.


Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Oct 2013, at 17:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


So then, if I do it in Pages, how easy I wonder is it to add a table of 
contents, my dedication/copyright pages, and section/chapter marks?


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: JAMES AUSTIN 
james.aus...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Creating EPub books


You can create Epub books in both Pages and Nisus Writer Pro, but I have 
not had need to try this yet. There was a post some time ago on the list 
about creating such a book using Pages however.

On 17 Oct 2013, at 20:04, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

What is the best way for someone to create an EPub ebook?  I’m 
considering writing a book, which eventually I want in IBooks, which 
means it’s going to have to be in EPub eventually.  Even if that’s not 
the case though, I’d still like to make an EPub version.  I tried IBooks 
Author from the app store, and it looks sort of, ish, accessible, but I 
can’t seem to get my head around where I type my data into the document, 
as there isn’t really a text entry field from what I can tell.  I just 
wonder, thus, aside from this app, what else may be out there that could 
help me with this.


Chris.
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Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sarah, do you maybe have a little trick, as for your fighting through it, 
that you maybe could suggest to make it easier, or not really, you just kind 
a gotta grit your teeth, and just do it.


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- Original Message - 
From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Navigon North America


I get that to but I just fight through it. I think it's refreshing the thing 
as you go along for some odd reason. This has been the issue for some weeks 
now, since ios7 and the navigon update was released. HOpe they will fix it.


Tc.
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in mind, 
I do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a change like 
using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.


Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon.  I've 
also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in the 
latest update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your map 
manager just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, I 
could flick through all the different states, then all I had to do was 
double tap the name of the state to select it, then go to the very bottom 
center of the screen and double tap on accept changes.  Then, all I had to 
do was double tap my clock in the status bar to jump back to the top of 
the screen, then I could flick down and monitor the download status.  When 
done, I could just again, double tap near the bottom center of the screen 
on start app. Unfortunately, now on my IPad, and my IPhone, in this case 
however specifically the IPad, although again I'm seeing this in both 
places, I'm hearing the little chirp sound you get when a Safari web page 
finishes loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do this as I flick through 
the states trying to find North Carolina.  If I just sit still, I'm fine. 
I'm finding that when I hear that chirp and the map manager updates and 
refreshes, I completely lose focus.  This happens literally almost 2 
seconds after flicking from one area of the screen to another, causing me 
to have to deadwrecken over and over and over and over until, god willing, 
I'll hit North Carolina, then can hall major butt and double tap before 
anything happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it won't work anymore 
like it used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is becoming not worth 
it.  I do wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when the map manager 
did! first come up, once I got to North Carolina and double tapped, once I 
accepted changes, it told me it was downloading somewhere in the ballpark 
of about 200 something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a huge amount 
just for North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, yeah, but 
come on! We're not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  So, my 
theory is, I wanted to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's 
doing is downloading all of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the 
ones I don't really need per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that 
definitely! would explain it losing focus and constantly updating every 
couple of seconds, plus would explain the reason it's saying over 200MB. 
Once that 200MB's done, it doesn't seem at that point to keep refreshing. 
This is why I really stand strong on my theory.  I just wonder in this 
latest update, if anyone may know what is going on and can give me a 
concreet rock-solid answer.


Chris.
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Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I dont have a backup, and even if I did, I'd personally rather stay up to 
date as much as I possibly can... especially with me being an IOS developer, 
that is crutial!


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- Original Message - 
From: Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Navigon North America



Hello,

I was wondering if you have a backup in iTunes of the last version? Since 
I have not updated to iOS 7 and still running 6.1.2, I am not having this 
problem. I also am using the last version and didn't update Navigon. May 
be you can roll back to the last version for now.


Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

I get that to but I just fight through it. I think it's refreshing the 
thing as you go along for some odd reason. This has been the issue for 
some weeks now, since ios7 and the navigon update was released. HOpe they 
will fix it.


Tc.
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in 
mind, I do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a 
change like using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.


Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon. 
I've also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in 
the latest update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your 
map  manager just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that before, 
I could flick through all the different states, then all I had to do was 
double tap the name of the state to select it, then go to the very 
bottom center of the screen and double tap on accept changes.  Then, all 
I had to do was double tap my clock in the status bar to jump back to 
the top of the screen, then I could flick down and monitor the download 
status.  When done, I could just again, double tap near the bottom 
center of the screen on start app. Unfortunately, now on my IPad, and my 
IPhone, in this case however specifically the IPad, although again I'm 
seeing this in both places, I'm hearing the little chirp sound you get 
when a Safari web page finishes loading/refreshing.  It only seems to do 
this as I flick through the states trying to find North Carolina.  If I 
just sit still, I'm fine.  I'm finding that when I hear that chirp and 
the map manager updates and refreshes, I completely lose focus.  This 
happens literally almost 2 seconds after flicking from one area of the 
screen to another, causing me to have to deadwrecken over and over and 
over and over until, god willing, I'll hit North Carolina, then can hall 
major butt and double tap before anything happens.  My timing has to be 
flawless, or it won't work anymore like it used to.  I'm starting to 
feel that Navigon is becoming not worth it.  I do wonder though one 
thing:  I noticed that when the map manager did! first come up, once I 
got to North Carolina and double tapped, once I accepted changes, it 
told me it was downloading somewhere in the ballpark of about 200 
something megs of  map data.  That sounds like a huge amount just for 
North Carolina.  I mean, we're a decent size state, yeah, but come on! 
We're not no California, or Texas for crying out loud!  So, my theory 
is, I wanted to ask you all, do you all suppose that what it's doing is 
downloading all of the maps from each state one by one?  Even the ones I 
don't really need per sé?  If that's what it's doing, then that 
definitely! would explain it losing focus and constantly updating every 
couple of seconds, plus would explain the reason it's saying over 200MB. 
Once that 200MB's done, it doesn't seem at that point to keep 
refreshing.  This is why I really stand strong on my theory.  I just 
wonder in this latest update, if anyone may know what is going on and 
can give me a concreet rock-solid answer.


Chris.
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What is Blind Square, was: Re: Question about Navigon North America

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Ester,

What exactly is Blind Square anyway?  I know it's a type of look around 
thing for I O S, but I've never exactly understood its purpose.  What makes 
it better than say, the Look Around app?


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- Original Message - 
From: Esther mori...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Question about Navigon North America



Hello Chris, Sarah, Eileen, and Others,

I'm also not updated to the latest version of Navigon or to iOS 7 on my 
iPhone, which is running 6.1.4. I usually try to post popular VoiceOver 
compatible apps that go on sale under the App Deals section of 
AppleVis.com.  I noticed that all the Navigon apps took large price drops 
just  1 week after a new version, 2.6, was released on September 19.  That 
sale price has remained in effect from September 26 to October 15. 
However, I also noticed that all the reviews for Navigon took an immediate 
dive, with many 1-star reviews stating that the last upgrade was terrible, 
that they can no longer establish connections with the server, and that 
(for the latest version 2.6.1 released on September 30) there are 
difficulties saving destinations as favorites.


Chris, a check just now of some of the most recent reviews by version 
2.6.1 users shows a few people complaining about the new map downloads.  I 
haven't run the map update, and North Carolina shows up as  49.7 MB 
download for me in the Map Manager.


Because of all the negative reviews, I refrained from posting an App Deal 
announcement, and I also haven't been updating this app.  Navigon is also 
working just fine for me, especially in combination with BlindSquare.


If anyone has an iTunes backup of an earlier version of Navigon, perhaps 
trying Eileen's suggestion of rolling back to that previous version might 
work.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:13 AM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hello,

I was wondering if you have a backup in iTunes of the last version? Since 
I have not updated to iOS 7 and still running 6.1.2, I am not having this 
problem. I also am using the last version and didn't update Navigon. May 
be you can roll back to the last version for now.


Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

I get that to but I just fight through it. I think it's refreshing the 
thing as you go along for some odd reason. This has been the issue for 
some weeks now, since ios7 and the navigon update was released. HOpe 
they will fix it.


Tc.
On Oct 18, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


Before anyone asks why I don't use Seeing Eye's GPS instead, keep in 
mind, I do! use it, actually quite regularly, but I just felt for a 
change like using Navigon today instead.  No particular reason.


Anyway, today was the first time on my IPad that I launched Navigon. 
I've also noticed this however on my IPhone as well.  It seems that in 
the latest update, when it first opens initially, you're taken to your 
map  manager just like normal.  What I however am seeing is that 
before, I could flick through all the different states, then all I had 
to do was double tap the name of the state to select it, then go to the 
very bottom center of the screen and double tap on accept changes. 
Then, all I had to do was double tap my clock in the status bar to jump 
back to the top of the screen, then I could flick down and monitor the 
download status.  When done, I could just again, double tap near the 
bottom center of the screen on start app. Unfortunately, now on my 
IPad, and my IPhone, in this case however specifically the IPad, 
although again I'm seeing this in both places, I'm hearing the little 
chirp sound you get when a Safari web page finishes loading/refreshing. 
It only seems to do this as I flick through the states trying to find 
North Carolina.  If I just sit still, I'm fine.  I'm finding that when 
I hear that chirp and the map manager updates and refreshes, I 
completely lose focus.  This happens literally almost 2 seconds after 
flicking from one area of the screen to another, causing me to have to 
deadwrecken over and over and over and over until, god willing, I'll 
hit North Carolina, then can hall major butt and double tap before 
anything happens.  My timing has to be flawless, or it won't work 
anymore like it used to.  I'm starting to feel that Navigon is becoming 
not worth it.  I do wonder though one thing:  I noticed that when the 
map manager did! first come up, once I got to North Carolina and double 
tapped, once I accepted changes, it told me it was downloading 
somewhere in the ballpark of about 

Retreating a wify password from an iOS device?

2013-10-18 Thread Matthew Dyer
Hi all. Today I got my 21 inch iMac and have set up my user, but have a 
question about getting the wify code on my phone. Is this possible. I have it 
on a sheet of paper, but I am using a 3GS and OCR is not my friend at this time.

Thanks.



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Re: Retreating a wify password from an iOS device?

2013-10-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Hmm interesting question. someone correct me but as far as I know there is no 
way to do this. Again someone correct me if I'm wrong as I love to learn new 
techniques.

Tc.
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 Hi all. Today I got my 21 inch iMac and have set up my user, but have a 
 question about getting the wify code on my phone. Is this possible. I have it 
 on a sheet of paper, but I am using a 3GS and OCR is not my friend at this 
 time.
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 
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smtp and pop imap settings

2013-10-18 Thread George Cham
I have had to configure my email account settings a few times.
I have found server settings that are not in use under the connection doctor.
How do I remove the unwanted settings from the mac ?
George Cham
george.c...@mac-access.net



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Re: smtp and pop imap settings

2013-10-18 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Go to the prefs in mail, then go to accounts, then go to the troublesome 
account. Now, vo all the way to the smtp pop up button and activate it, then go 
to edit. You will then be presented with a table  of your smtp settings for 
that account. Remove the ones you don't want by selecting and then vo right to 
the remove button. HOpe this helps.
On Oct 18, 2013, at 2:46 PM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:

 I have had to configure my email account settings a few times.
 I have found server settings that are not in use under the connection doctor.
 How do I remove the unwanted settings from the mac ?
 George Cham
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Re: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Eileens Misrahi
HI Christopher,

I too am in the same boat as you. I recently am a proud owner of a Mac Air, but 
I do truely miss MS office 2010 on the Air. Since my PC is still functioning, I 
use it for all of the apps and tasks that are not accessible on the Mac. I'm 
toying with installing a virtual machine on the backside of it,, so I have 
everything on one machine. Currently, I am trying to master iText Express. It's 
a free app, but I'm not sure it will be powerful enough for your needs. You may 
want to check it out. 

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 Anne,
 
 Can you e-mail me off list about your Pages training over Skype with a price 
 etc?  Also have you got a syllabus you could send me that outlines the things 
 you'd be coverring with me?  If it isn't to much, and you have any openings, 
 I may very very possibly look into next month having you train me. I really! 
 desperetly! need to get a better handle on using it, as that is one of the 
 huge things keeping me from totally switching over to the Mac from a Windows 
 environment, is I need access to a very powerful word processor, and someone 
 who can work one on one with teaching it to me.
 
 Anyway, my E-mail address to send me some information to is:
 
 ch...@clgproductions.com
 
 I'd be delighted if you could try to maybe set  something up with me.  Due to 
 my recent surgery, I couldn't do much now over $100, but again, let's talk 
 off list.  Maybe we can negotiate something.
 
 Chris.
 
 
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 - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:16 PM
 Subject: Re: Creating EPub books
 
 
 Hello Chris,
 
 In Pages, as long as you set the paragraph styles correctly for the body text 
 and headings, you can create a table of contents automatically using the 
 appropriate command in the Insert menu.
 
 Before putting much text into your document, you should set hotkeys for all 
 the paragraph styles you'll need. The hotkeys are F1 to F8 and all you have 
 to do to apply a style is be in the paragraph and press the hotkey.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 18 Oct 2013, at 17:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
 wrote:
 
 So then, if I do it in Pages, how easy I wonder is it to add a table of 
 contents, my dedication/copyright pages, and section/chapter marks?
 
 Chris.
 
 
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 - Original Message - From: JAMES AUSTIN 
 james.aus...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Creating EPub books
 
 
 You can create Epub books in both Pages and Nisus Writer Pro, but I have not 
 had need to try this yet. There was a post some time ago on the list about 
 creating such a book using Pages however.
 On 17 Oct 2013, at 20:04, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 What is the best way for someone to create an EPub ebook?  I’m considering 
 writing a book, which eventually I want in IBooks, which means it’s going 
 to have to be in EPub eventually.  Even if that’s not the case though, I’d 
 still like to make an EPub version.  I tried IBooks Author from the app 
 store, and it looks sort of, ish, accessible, but I can’t seem to get my 
 head around where I type my data into the document, as there isn’t really a 
 text entry field from what I can tell.  I just wonder, thus, aside from 
 this app, what else may be out there that could help me with this.
 
 Chris.
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Re: Creating EPub books

2013-10-18 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I've tried IText, and yes, you're correct, it is nowhere near as feature 
rich as the things I need to be able to do.


Thanks though.

Chris.

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- Original Message - 
From: Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Creating EPub books



HI Christopher,

I too am in the same boat as you. I recently am a proud owner of a Mac 
Air, but I do truely miss MS office 2010 on the Air. Since my PC is still 
functioning, I use it for all of the apps and tasks that are not 
accessible on the Mac. I'm toying with installing a virtual machine on the 
backside of it,, so I have everything on one machine. Currently, I am 
trying to master iText Express. It's a free app, but I'm not sure it will 
be powerful enough for your needs. You may want to check it out.


Best,
Eileen

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On Oct 18, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:



Anne,

Can you e-mail me off list about your Pages training over Skype with a 
price etc?  Also have you got a syllabus you could send me that outlines 
the things you'd be coverring with me?  If it isn't to much, and you have 
any openings, I may very very possibly look into next month having you 
train me. I really! desperetly! need to get a better handle on using it, 
as that is one of the huge things keeping me from totally switching over 
to the Mac from a Windows environment, is I need access to a very 
powerful word processor, and someone who can work one on one with 
teaching it to me.


Anyway, my E-mail address to send me some information to is:

ch...@clgproductions.com

I'd be delighted if you could try to maybe set  something up with me. 
Due to my recent surgery, I couldn't do much now over $100, but again, 
let's talk off list.  Maybe we can negotiate something.


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to follow 
me on Twitter.


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- Original Message - From: Anne Robertson 
a...@anarchie.org.uk

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Creating EPub books


Hello Chris,

In Pages, as long as you set the paragraph styles correctly for the body 
text and headings, you can create a table of contents automatically using 
the appropriate command in the Insert menu.


Before putting much text into your document, you should set hotkeys for 
all the paragraph styles you'll need. The hotkeys are F1 to F8 and all 
you have to do to apply a style is be in the paragraph and press the 
hotkey.


Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Oct 2013, at 17:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:


So then, if I do it in Pages, how easy I wonder is it to add a table of 
contents, my dedication/copyright pages, and section/chapter marks?


Chris.


Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.

http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland

For updates to my Audioboo page, you also are more than welcome to 
follow me on Twitter.


http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic
- Original Message - From: JAMES AUSTIN 
james.aus...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Creating EPub books


You can create Epub books in both Pages and Nisus Writer Pro, but I have 
not had need to try this yet. There was a post some time ago on the list 
about creating such a book using Pages however.
On 17 Oct 2013, at 20:04, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


What is the best way for someone to create an EPub ebook?  I’m 
considering writing a book, which eventually I want in IBooks, which 
means it’s going to have to be in EPub eventually.  Even if that’s not 
the case though, I’d still like to make an EPub version.  I tried 
IBooks Author from the app store, and it looks sort of, ish, 
accessible, but I can’t seem to get my head around where I type my data 
into the document, as there isn’t really a text entry field from what I 
can tell.  I just wonder, thus, aside from this app, what else may be 
out there that could help me with this.


Chris.
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Re: smtp and pop imap settings

2013-10-18 Thread George Cham
Done that . 
When i go to connection doctor ,the unwanted server names are still there .

George 

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 On 19 Oct 2013, at 8:53 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Go to the prefs in mail, then go to accounts, then go to the troublesome 
 account. Now, vo all the way to the smtp pop up button and activate it, then 
 go to edit. You will then be presented with a table  of your smtp settings 
 for that account. Remove the ones you don't want by selecting and then vo 
 right to the remove button. HOpe this helps.
 On Oct 18, 2013, at 2:46 PM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 I have had to configure my email account settings a few times.
 I have found server settings that are not in use under the connection doctor.
 How do I remove the unwanted settings from the mac ?
 George Cham
 george.c...@mac-access.net
 
 
 
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