RE: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Henry Miller


Hi Ann

Many thanks for your comprehensive set of instructions-it is very kind of
you.  I am currently using Mountain lion and bearing in mind the threads on
this list with regards to Maverick, I intend to stay with ML for a while
smiles.

Best wishes

Henry
 


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 20 November 2013 22:01
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: please can someone advise?

Hello Henry,

Here are a few things you should know about. You should repair permissions
every time you install new software, and when your machine is behaving
erratically, you should reset the PRAM. Instructions follow.

You can shut down your computer tidily with Ctrl-Option-Command-Eject key
(or Power key if you have a MacBook Air).

Instructions for resetting the PRAM

Shut down your computer, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option,
R and P. With these held down, press the Power key once, keeping the four
keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times. Release the
four keys and the machine will boot normally.


Repairing permissions

Open the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u).
Open Disk Utility.
Select your HD in the table.
Make sure that First Aid is selected.
Navigate down to Repair Disk Permissions and click it.
You can follow the progress of the repair by going up to the Results table
and interacting with it.
You can press Cmd-q from within the table.

Your trackpad is reacting normally as that is the way a sighted person moves
the mouse pointer.

Which level of the OS are you using? Mountain Lion or Mavericks?

Cheers,

Anne


On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:27, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:

 
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
 keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.
 
 I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?
 
 Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with
one
 finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
 turn something else off?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry, eject is the key right to the right of the F12 key.  So you have
the
 escape key, then F1 through F12, then finally on the top top right most
 corner immediately to the right of the F12 key just directly above the
 delete/backspace key is the eject key.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 
 
 Hi Andy and Chris
 
 I have tried pressing command and the f5 key several times and no luck,
and
 I don't know where the eject key is onn my mac book pro.
 
 Can I carry out a forced shut down?
 
 Henry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
 Sent: 20 November 2013 20:46
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry - When I get this lock up with vO saying busy, no matter what I do,
I
 find the way out of it is to press command f5 about 5 times. This seems to
 give the system a kick up the . and things are ok again. Hope it works for
 you too -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 20:42, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk
wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi again
  
 I have now managed to return to the dock and VO is announcing pages is
 busy.
 When I arrow left to the finder and press VO plus M to get to the menu
bar
 so that I can find the apple menu to shut down, VO announces pages is
 busy-can I execute a forced shut down?
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 20:20
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 What apps have you been trying?  Can we please have a little more
 information?
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:15 PM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: please can someone advise?
 
 
 
 Hi 
 
 I have been trying out various apps on my mac, and at the moment all VO
is
 saying is busy when I either press a combinationb of keys with VO.  I
 cannot escape from an app by pressing command plus q, I want to shut down
 the mac  - I'm panicking a little smiles.
 Also, when I turn the trackpad 

RE: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Henry Miller


Hi Chris

Many thanks for your explanation, I'll stay with the existing preferences
settings-keeping it all simple for my benefit.

best wishes

Henry



 
-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: 20 November 2013 23:45
To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: please can someone advise?

It's not really so much correct nor is it incorrect.  It's just a
preference.  If you like it doing that, then great!  It could come in
helpful at times, as you can move your mouse and know what you're hoverring
over.  If you do want to turn it off, go into your voiceover preferences
with vo+F8, If that won't work, try fn+vo+F8.  Then interact with the
categories table, and go down to navigation.  There should be a setting in
here to disable that function.  If you need the absolute specifics, let me
know.  I haven't set any of my 3 macs up to do that, nor have I set my mom's
to do it, but I do remember seeing the option, so if you need me to, my mom
and I can look for ya and try to find the setting specificly.

Chris.
 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:27 PM
To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: please can someone advise?



Hi Chris

Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.

I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?

Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with one
finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
turn something else off?

best wishes

Henry
 




-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: please can someone advise?

Henry, eject is the key right to the right of the F12 key.  So you have the
escape key, then F1 through F12, then finally on the top top right most
corner immediately to the right of the F12 key just directly above the
delete/backspace key is the eject key.

Chris.
 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:07 PM
To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
Subject: RE: please can someone advise?



Hi Andy and Chris

I have tried pressing command and the f5 key several times and no luck, and
I don't know where the eject key is onn my mac book pro.

Can I carry out a forced shut down?

Henry

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
Sent: 20 November 2013 20:46
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: please can someone advise?

Henry - When I get this lock up with vO saying busy, no matter what I do, I
find the way out of it is to press command f5 about 5 times. This seems to
give the system a kick up the . and things are ok again. Hope it works for
you too -

Andy
On 20 Nov 2013, at 20:42, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:

 
 
 Hi again
   
 I have now managed to return to the dock and VO is announcing pages is
busy.
 When I arrow left to the finder and press VO plus M to get to the menu bar
 so that I can find the apple menu to shut down, VO announces pages is
 busy-can I execute a forced shut down?
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 20:20
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 What apps have you been trying?  Can we please have a little more
 information?
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:15 PM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: please can someone advise?
 
 
 
 Hi 
 
 I have been trying out various apps on my mac, and at the moment all VO is
 saying is busy when I either press a combinationb of keys with VO.  I
 cannot escape from an app by pressing command plus q, I want to shut down
 the mac  - I'm panicking a little smiles.
 Also, when I turn the trackpad commander off with VO plus a two finger
 anticlockwise rotation, if I touch the trackpad with one finger VO
announces
 what cell my finger is touching-is this correct?
 
 Any help will be most appreciated
 best wishes
 Henry
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 19:55
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 

Re: Doing a word count in Text Edit

2013-11-21 Thread Andy Collins
Found it - in Mountain Lion it's in the Utilities folder in Applications -

Andy
On 21 Nov 2013, at 03:17, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

 I don't know about mavericks, but on earlier versions of osx, it was in the 
 applications folder.  Open the apple script folder, then open the applescript 
 application, and it comes up with the applescript editor.
 
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Re: help with setting up vm ware?

2013-11-21 Thread Phil Halton
Mathew, I use Jaws in windows7 in VMWare under mountain lion, and will probably 
not be upgrading anytime soon either. One thing you'll need to be aware of when 
installing and using Jaws is the need to modify some setting to have access to 
an insert key, or a caps lock key for jaws in laptop keyboard mode. If you have 
a full-sized apple keyboard, this is not a problem because that keyboard has an 
insert key, and you can run jaws in PC keyboard mode. The caps lock is 
unavailable because apple doesn't treat it like a key press but handles it 
differently, and it doesn't get passed along to windows - making it unavailable 
as a jaws modifier key.

What I've done, and what a lot of people do, is to use a freeware windows  
program called sharp keys to assign the grave accent key to act as a caps lock 
key, and then set jaws to run in laptop keyboard mode with the caps lock (now 
the grave accent key) as the jaws modifier key.
. 

another way, probably the better way, is to set up VMWare to substitute an 
insert key for the caps lock key, so that when you press capslock, vmware sends 
an insert key to windows. 
I've forgotten how that's done in vmware now, but it's fairly simple. probably 
a lot simpler than the sharp keys method and the third option that I won't 
mention here now.

The only drawback to the last method is that you lose one Jaws command, the 
command is insert+J, which has a conflict that causes it to be unusable. 
However, pressing control left arrow does the same thing as insert + j and so 
it doesn't really matter.

Sorry I can't give accurate directions on how to set up an insert key from 
within vmware, I'm sure someone here will tell you if you ask.
 
. 
On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hello all. I set up vmware 6.0 today on a macbook air. All seemed to go ok. 
 Does anyone have any tips on what I should et in it to make it work better? I 
 have been choosing single window mode and full window. I can get narrator to 
 start up but what would be better to use jaws or NVDA? I would rather use 
 jaws if possible because I know it better. Is there any good tutorials out 
 there? Thanks for any help.
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Re: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Andy Collins
Thanks Anne - Can you help me be clearer then on what is going on? Why do 
permissions need to be repaired? What might the consequences be if permissions 
were not repaired?

Thanks -

Andy
On 21 Nov 2013, at 14:00, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Andy,
 
 You should repair permissions after installing software whatever the source. 
 It doesn’t take long and it can save trouble later.
 
 What Chris had to say was, in the strictest sense accurate, but it’s still 
 worth repairing permissions while still booted into OS X. The thing you can’t 
 do is repair the disk, which has to be done from the recovery partition, but 
 I can’t remember the last time I needed to repair the disk.
 
 You may find, the first time you repair permissions, that the repairs run to 
 thousands of lines, but after that, you’ll only get a few repairs each time.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:59, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:
 
 Hi Anne -
 
 Thanks too for these instructions. I love the way you are always accurate 
 and detailed in your explanations.
 
 You'll have seen that Chris had something to say on repairing permissions 
 that for Mac novices like myself can leave us wondering what to do for the 
 best.
 
 Your recommendation is to repair permissions after every software 
 installation, is that regardless of where the software came from? For 
 example, I installed iText Express and Line in yesterday, the first of 
 course from the Mac app store, and the second from a third party provider, 
 will this be ok, or should I do a permissions repair?
 
 Thanks for any clarification -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:01, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Henry,
 
 Here are a few things you should know about. You should repair permissions 
 every time you install new software, and when your machine is behaving 
 erratically, you should reset the PRAM. Instructions follow.
 
 You can shut down your computer tidily with Ctrl-Option-Command-Eject key 
 (or Power key if you have a MacBook Air).
 
 Instructions for resetting the PRAM
 
 Shut down your computer, then hold down the following keys: Command, 
 Option, R and P. With these held down, press the Power key once, keeping 
 the four keys held down until you’ve heard the start up chime four times. 
 Release the four keys and the machine will boot normally.
 
 
 Repairing permissions
 
 Open the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u).
 Open Disk Utility.
 Select your HD in the table.
 Make sure that First Aid is selected.
 Navigate down to Repair Disk Permissions and click it.
 You can follow the progress of the repair by going up to the Results table 
 and interacting with it.
 You can press Cmd-q from within the table.
 
 Your trackpad is reacting normally as that is the way a sighted person 
 moves the mouse pointer.
 
 Which level of the OS are you using? Mountain Lion or Mavericks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:27, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
 keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.
 
 I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?
 
 Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with 
 one
 finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
 turn something else off?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry, eject is the key right to the right of the F12 key.  So you have the
 escape key, then F1 through F12, then finally on the top top right most
 corner immediately to the right of the F12 key just directly above the
 delete/backspace key is the eject key.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 
 
 Hi Andy and Chris
 
 I have tried pressing command and the f5 key several times and no luck, and
 I don't know where the eject key is onn my mac book pro.
 
 Can I carry out a forced shut down?
 
 Henry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
 Sent: 20 November 2013 20:46
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry - When I get this lock up with vO saying busy, no matter what I do, I
 find the way out of it is to press command f5 about 5 times. This seems to
 give the system a kick up the . and things are ok again. Hope it works for
 you too -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 20:42, Henry Miller 

RE: iPhone docker

2013-11-21 Thread Chris Goodwin
Hi chris,

With the docking stations I've looked at, the phone is cradled in the near 
vertical.  I've assumed that this would smother the microphone.  That's why I 
wanted the docker to have its own microphone.  But I might be wrong of course.  
And as you say, the iPhone mike is pretty good.

does anyone have any direct experience?

And on a related but different point...

I've tried a few audio recording apps such as iTalk.  Voice Recorder just seems 
awful to me.  but when I use these other apps, as soon as I hit the record 
button, VO freezes and in fact, the phone seems to freeze up.  I had to do a 
hard reset to bring it back to life.

Does anyone have an audio recording app that is VO friendly on a 4S?

Cheers,

Chris 
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Re: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Andy,

You should repair permissions after installing software whatever the source. It 
doesn’t take long and it can save trouble later.

What Chris had to say was, in the strictest sense accurate, but it’s still 
worth repairing permissions while still booted into OS X. The thing you can’t 
do is repair the disk, which has to be done from the recovery partition, but I 
can’t remember the last time I needed to repair the disk.

You may find, the first time you repair permissions, that the repairs run to 
thousands of lines, but after that, you’ll only get a few repairs each time.

Cheers,

Anne


On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:59, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:

 Hi Anne -
 
 Thanks too for these instructions. I love the way you are always accurate and 
 detailed in your explanations.
 
 You'll have seen that Chris had something to say on repairing permissions 
 that for Mac novices like myself can leave us wondering what to do for the 
 best.
 
 Your recommendation is to repair permissions after every software 
 installation, is that regardless of where the software came from? For 
 example, I installed iText Express and Line in yesterday, the first of course 
 from the Mac app store, and the second from a third party provider, will this 
 be ok, or should I do a permissions repair?
 
 Thanks for any clarification -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:01, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Henry,
 
 Here are a few things you should know about. You should repair permissions 
 every time you install new software, and when your machine is behaving 
 erratically, you should reset the PRAM. Instructions follow.
 
 You can shut down your computer tidily with Ctrl-Option-Command-Eject key 
 (or Power key if you have a MacBook Air).
 
 Instructions for resetting the PRAM
 
 Shut down your computer, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, 
 R and P. With these held down, press the Power key once, keeping the four 
 keys held down until you’ve heard the start up chime four times. Release the 
 four keys and the machine will boot normally.
 
 
 Repairing permissions
 
 Open the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u).
 Open Disk Utility.
 Select your HD in the table.
 Make sure that First Aid is selected.
 Navigate down to Repair Disk Permissions and click it.
 You can follow the progress of the repair by going up to the Results table 
 and interacting with it.
 You can press Cmd-q from within the table.
 
 Your trackpad is reacting normally as that is the way a sighted person moves 
 the mouse pointer.
 
 Which level of the OS are you using? Mountain Lion or Mavericks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:27, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
 keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.
 
 I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?
 
 Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with one
 finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
 turn something else off?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry, eject is the key right to the right of the F12 key.  So you have the
 escape key, then F1 through F12, then finally on the top top right most
 corner immediately to the right of the F12 key just directly above the
 delete/backspace key is the eject key.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 
 
 Hi Andy and Chris
 
 I have tried pressing command and the f5 key several times and no luck, and
 I don't know where the eject key is onn my mac book pro.
 
 Can I carry out a forced shut down?
 
 Henry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
 Sent: 20 November 2013 20:46
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry - When I get this lock up with vO saying busy, no matter what I do, I
 find the way out of it is to press command f5 about 5 times. This seems to
 give the system a kick up the . and things are ok again. Hope it works for
 you too -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 20:42, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi again

 I have now managed to return to the dock and VO is announcing pages is
 busy.
 When I arrow left to the finder and press VO plus M to get to the menu bar
 so that I can find the apple menu to shut down, VO announces pages 

RE: iPhone docker

2013-11-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I've not found sound to be muffled/smothered in any way.  That's just me
though.  Others may have a totally different opinion.

Chris.
 

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:42 PM
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iPhone docker

Have a a look at the JBL Onbeat Air, its one of those docking stations that
has a rotating dock that can rotate 180 degrees.

Normally the microphone isn't smothered because its to one side of the dock
connector but I take your point, if the phone is in a horizontal position
then its most likely that the microphone will be exposed to more sound.


On 22 Nov 2013, at 7:34 am, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 Hi chris,
 
 With the docking stations I've looked at, the phone is cradled in the near
vertical.  I've assumed that this would smother the microphone.  That's why
I wanted the docker to have its own microphone.  But I might be wrong of
course.  And as you say, the iPhone mike is pretty good.
 
 does anyone have any direct experience?
 
 And on a related but different point...
 
 I've tried a few audio recording apps such as iTalk.  Voice Recorder just
seems awful to me.  but when I use these other apps, as soon as I hit the
record button, VO freezes and in fact, the phone seems to freeze up.  I had
to do a hard reset to bring it back to life.
 
 Does anyone have an audio recording app that is VO friendly on a 4S?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Chris 
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Re: iPhone docker

2013-11-21 Thread Dane Trethowan
As I said you shouldn't and I've not found this either but every dock is 
different.


On 22 Nov 2013, at 12:28 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 I've not found sound to be muffled/smothered in any way.  That's just me
 though.  Others may have a totally different opinion.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:42 PM
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: iPhone docker
 
 Have a a look at the JBL Onbeat Air, its one of those docking stations that
 has a rotating dock that can rotate 180 degrees.
 
 Normally the microphone isn't smothered because its to one side of the dock
 connector but I take your point, if the phone is in a horizontal position
 then its most likely that the microphone will be exposed to more sound.
 
 
 On 22 Nov 2013, at 7:34 am, Chris Goodwin ckgoodwi...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
 Hi chris,
 
 With the docking stations I've looked at, the phone is cradled in the near
 vertical.  I've assumed that this would smother the microphone.  That's why
 I wanted the docker to have its own microphone.  But I might be wrong of
 course.  And as you say, the iPhone mike is pretty good.
 
 does anyone have any direct experience?
 
 And on a related but different point...
 
 I've tried a few audio recording apps such as iTalk.  Voice Recorder just
 seems awful to me.  but when I use these other apps, as soon as I hit the
 record button, VO freezes and in fact, the phone seems to freeze up.  I had
 to do a hard reset to bring it back to life.
 
 Does anyone have an audio recording app that is VO friendly on a 4S?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Chris 
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Re: iText Express And Other Text Editors

2013-11-21 Thread meadowlark77
Okay, cool.

Take care,

Brenda

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Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: iText Express And Other Text Editors


NO, that's why there are separate app stores, not all apps are designed to 
work across all platforms -

Andy
On 20 Nov 2013, at 15:51, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

 No. So I take it, then, that it won't go on the phone, right? I just was
 looking in the app store on the phone and that was all.

 Take care,

 Brenda

 mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
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 From: Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:37 AM
 Subject: Re: iText Express And Other Text Editors


 Are you looking in the Mac app store? -

 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 06:37, meadowlark77 meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

 Is that on the App Store? If it is, I'm not finding it, for some reason.

 Take care,

 Brenda

 mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
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 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:27 PM
 Subject: iText Express And Other Text Editors


 Hi!

 Playing around with iText got me wondering if the Bean word 
 processor/text
 editor was still being developed? That was a very nice handy, accessible
 and
 free text editing tool with many of the functions found in iText Express.



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Keyboard change problem.

2013-11-21 Thread Jim Noseworthy
Hi Gang:

I’ve asked this question before but not received any reply; consequently, I 
thought I would try it again.

Somehow, I’ve changed the command-q command to command-option-q. Can anyone 
tell me how that happened and how I would reset the command-q to the original 
state?

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Re: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Andy,

If you don’t repair permissions regularly, your Mac can start misbehaving such 
as losing the sounds in Mail, going busy too often, having short cuts stop 
working, and all kinds of other problems I’ve heard people complain about. I’ve 
been using Macs for 17 years, long before VoiceOver, and I rarely have problems 
but I also repair permissions regularly and reset the PRAM every month or so.

What you don’t need to do on a Mac is defrag the HD. Housekeeping is the first 
job a Mac does when powered on, or if left to sleep, sometime in the early 
hours of the morning.

Cheers,

Anne


On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:58, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:

 Thanks Anne - Can you help me be clearer then on what is going on? Why do 
 permissions need to be repaired? What might the consequences be if 
 permissions were not repaired?
 
 Thanks -
 
 Andy
 On 21 Nov 2013, at 14:00, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Andy,
 
 You should repair permissions after installing software whatever the source. 
 It doesn’t take long and it can save trouble later.
 
 What Chris had to say was, in the strictest sense accurate, but it’s still 
 worth repairing permissions while still booted into OS X. The thing you 
 can’t do is repair the disk, which has to be done from the recovery 
 partition, but I can’t remember the last time I needed to repair the disk.
 
 You may find, the first time you repair permissions, that the repairs run to 
 thousands of lines, but after that, you’ll only get a few repairs each time.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:59, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:
 
 Hi Anne -
 
 Thanks too for these instructions. I love the way you are always accurate 
 and detailed in your explanations.
 
 You'll have seen that Chris had something to say on repairing permissions 
 that for Mac novices like myself can leave us wondering what to do for the 
 best.
 
 Your recommendation is to repair permissions after every software 
 installation, is that regardless of where the software came from? For 
 example, I installed iText Express and Line in yesterday, the first of 
 course from the Mac app store, and the second from a third party provider, 
 will this be ok, or should I do a permissions repair?
 
 Thanks for any clarification -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:01, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Henry,
 
 Here are a few things you should know about. You should repair permissions 
 every time you install new software, and when your machine is behaving 
 erratically, you should reset the PRAM. Instructions follow.
 
 You can shut down your computer tidily with Ctrl-Option-Command-Eject key 
 (or Power key if you have a MacBook Air).
 
 Instructions for resetting the PRAM
 
 Shut down your computer, then hold down the following keys: Command, 
 Option, R and P. With these held down, press the Power key once, keeping 
 the four keys held down until you’ve heard the start up chime four times. 
 Release the four keys and the machine will boot normally.
 
 
 Repairing permissions
 
 Open the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u).
 Open Disk Utility.
 Select your HD in the table.
 Make sure that First Aid is selected.
 Navigate down to Repair Disk Permissions and click it.
 You can follow the progress of the repair by going up to the Results table 
 and interacting with it.
 You can press Cmd-q from within the table.
 
 Your trackpad is reacting normally as that is the way a sighted person 
 moves the mouse pointer.
 
 Which level of the OS are you using? Mountain Lion or Mavericks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:27, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
 keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.
 
 I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?
 
 Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with 
 one
 finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
 turn something else off?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry, eject is the key right to the right of the F12 key.  So you have 
 the
 escape key, then F1 through F12, then finally on the top top right most
 corner immediately to the right of the F12 key just directly above the
 delete/backspace key is the eject key.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 
 
 Hi Andy and Chris
 
 I have tried pressing command and the 

Re: Keyboard change problem.

2013-11-21 Thread Red.Falcon
Hi!
The only thing I can think of is if you've been setting up your own shortcuts 
in keyboard shortcuts in system pref's!
And set up one by mistake for to quit!
But if you've not been doing that then I'm stuck on how you changed it!
For example I've changed the default to send a Email from the original to F3 so 
that's all I press to send a Email Now!
Colin

On 21 Nov 2013, at 12:35, Jim Noseworthy jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com 
wrote:

 Hi Gang:
 
 I’ve asked this question before but not received any reply; consequently, I 
 thought I would try it again.
 
 Somehow, I’ve changed the command-q command to command-option-q. Can anyone 
 tell me how that happened and how I would reset the command-q to the original 
 state?
 
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Re: Keyboard change problem.

2013-11-21 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I think there is a setting in system prefs  but frankly I don’t know where it 
is. You can start by looking under key board and see if it is there.

Take care.
On Nov 21, 2013, at 4:35 AM, Jim Noseworthy 
jim.nosewor...@compuconference.com wrote:

 Hi Gang:
 
 I’ve asked this question before but not received any reply; consequently, I 
 thought I would try it again.
 
 Somehow, I’ve changed the command-q command to command-option-q. Can anyone 
 tell me how that happened and how I would reset the command-q to the original 
 state?
 
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RE: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Personally, I think doing this after every single installation definitely!
is way! way! way! overkill!  OK, it won't hurt anything to do so, but,
frankly... in my opinion, why?  I mean ok, I see Anne's [point, don't get me
wrong here, but, every installation?  That just seems a bit barbaric.  If
you install something and start to see things gradually go haywire, then
yeah! obviously! repair and check permissions, again, making sure you do so
from another startup disk than the one you're checking/repairing if at all
possible, but I see no point unless someone can explain to me why, you
should have to do this after every God forsaken instalation.  Again, I sit
on the ledge of the fence here.  I see Ann's point of reasoning, but also, I
feel that is overkill by far and away.  No hard feelings meant whatsoever.
This isn't meant to call down on Anne.  She offers extremely good
information, and I'm incredibly grateful for her help.  All I'm saying is
that I don't understand her logic.  Definitely, absolutely! no hard feelings
what so ever intended, and I genuinely hope that my message doesn't come
across arigantly or rudely, as I promise, that is not at all my intentions.

Chris.


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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 6:00 AM
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: please can someone advise?

Hi Anne -

Thanks too for these instructions. I love the way you are always accurate
and detailed in your explanations.

You'll have seen that Chris had something to say on repairing permissions
that for Mac novices like myself can leave us wondering what to do for the
best.

Your recommendation is to repair permissions after every software
installation, is that regardless of where the software came from? For
example, I installed iText Express and Line in yesterday, the first of
course from the Mac app store, and the second from a third party provider,
will this be ok, or should I do a permissions repair?

Thanks for any clarification -

Andy
On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:01, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Henry,
 
 Here are a few things you should know about. You should repair permissions
every time you install new software, and when your machine is behaving
erratically, you should reset the PRAM. Instructions follow.
 
 You can shut down your computer tidily with Ctrl-Option-Command-Eject key
(or Power key if you have a MacBook Air).
 
 Instructions for resetting the PRAM
 
 Shut down your computer, then hold down the following keys: Command,
Option, R and P. With these held down, press the Power key once, keeping the
four keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times.
Release the four keys and the machine will boot normally.
 
 
 Repairing permissions
 
 Open the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u).
 Open Disk Utility.
 Select your HD in the table.
 Make sure that First Aid is selected.
 Navigate down to Repair Disk Permissions and click it.
 You can follow the progress of the repair by going up to the Results table
and interacting with it.
 You can press Cmd-q from within the table.
 
 Your trackpad is reacting normally as that is the way a sighted person
moves the mouse pointer.
 
 Which level of the OS are you using? Mountain Lion or Mavericks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:27, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
 keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.
 
 I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?
 
 Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with
one
 finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
 turn something else off?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry, eject is the key right to the right of the F12 key.  So you have
the
 escape key, then F1 through F12, then finally on the top top right most
 corner immediately to the right of the F12 key just directly above the
 delete/backspace key is the eject key.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:07 PM
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 
 
 Hi Andy and Chris
 
 I have tried pressing command and the f5 key several times and no luck,
and
 I don't know where the eject key is onn my mac book pro.
 
 Can I carry out a forced shut down?
 
 Henry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 

sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread krystal watson
Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics can 
any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



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Re: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Andy Collins
Thanks Anne - I'll make it my business then to do this maintenance -

Andy
On 21 Nov 2013, at 17:54, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Andy,
 
 If you don’t repair permissions regularly, your Mac can start misbehaving 
 such as losing the sounds in Mail, going busy too often, having short cuts 
 stop working, and all kinds of other problems I’ve heard people complain 
 about. I’ve been using Macs for 17 years, long before VoiceOver, and I rarely 
 have problems but I also repair permissions regularly and reset the PRAM 
 every month or so.
 
 What you don’t need to do on a Mac is defrag the HD. Housekeeping is the 
 first job a Mac does when powered on, or if left to sleep, sometime in the 
 early hours of the morning.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:58, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Anne - Can you help me be clearer then on what is going on? Why do 
 permissions need to be repaired? What might the consequences be if 
 permissions were not repaired?
 
 Thanks -
 
 Andy
 On 21 Nov 2013, at 14:00, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Andy,
 
 You should repair permissions after installing software whatever the 
 source. It doesn’t take long and it can save trouble later.
 
 What Chris had to say was, in the strictest sense accurate, but it’s still 
 worth repairing permissions while still booted into OS X. The thing you 
 can’t do is repair the disk, which has to be done from the recovery 
 partition, but I can’t remember the last time I needed to repair the disk.
 
 You may find, the first time you repair permissions, that the repairs run 
 to thousands of lines, but after that, you’ll only get a few repairs each 
 time.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:59, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote:
 
 Hi Anne -
 
 Thanks too for these instructions. I love the way you are always accurate 
 and detailed in your explanations.
 
 You'll have seen that Chris had something to say on repairing permissions 
 that for Mac novices like myself can leave us wondering what to do for the 
 best.
 
 Your recommendation is to repair permissions after every software 
 installation, is that regardless of where the software came from? For 
 example, I installed iText Express and Line in yesterday, the first of 
 course from the Mac app store, and the second from a third party provider, 
 will this be ok, or should I do a permissions repair?
 
 Thanks for any clarification -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:01, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Henry,
 
 Here are a few things you should know about. You should repair 
 permissions every time you install new software, and when your machine is 
 behaving erratically, you should reset the PRAM. Instructions follow.
 
 You can shut down your computer tidily with Ctrl-Option-Command-Eject key 
 (or Power key if you have a MacBook Air).
 
 Instructions for resetting the PRAM
 
 Shut down your computer, then hold down the following keys: Command, 
 Option, R and P. With these held down, press the Power key once, keeping 
 the four keys held down until you’ve heard the start up chime four times. 
 Release the four keys and the machine will boot normally.
 
 
 Repairing permissions
 
 Open the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u).
 Open Disk Utility.
 Select your HD in the table.
 Make sure that First Aid is selected.
 Navigate down to Repair Disk Permissions and click it.
 You can follow the progress of the repair by going up to the Results 
 table and interacting with it.
 You can press Cmd-q from within the table.
 
 Your trackpad is reacting normally as that is the way a sighted person 
 moves the mouse pointer.
 
 Which level of the OS are you using? Mountain Lion or Mavericks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:27, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
 keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.
 
 I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?
 
 Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with 
 one
 finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
 turn something else off?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry, eject is the key right to the right of the F12 key.  So you have 
 the
 escape key, then F1 through F12, then finally on the top top right most
 corner immediately to the right of the F12 key just directly above the
 delete/backspace key is the eject key.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Henry Miller
 Sent: 

RE: sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Specifically, what type sd card are you trying to use?  There are several
different specifications.  Also, before you updated to Mavericks, did it
read the exact same card?  Are you at a position where you can try the card
in another system not running Mavericks to see if the card is dammaged or
not?  Can you try it in another system also running Mavericks to see the
results you get?

Once all this is tested, if another mac won't see it in Mavericks, yet a
system not running Mavericks sees it, I'll file it for you as a bug, being I
am an Apple dev, thus have access to the Bug reporter.  I'd rather if at all
possible, you try those other things first.  If it isn't feezable to do
those things, we'll wait and see if anyone else on lsit also has the issue.
If so, I'll file it.

Chris.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:18 PM
To: mac access group
Subject: sd cards not loading in new mac o s 

Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics can
any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



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Re: sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread krystal watson
i know its not the card it works on a braille note it loads really well first 
try so its not that and i can’t try it on another mac as i only have one mac 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



On 22 Nov 2013, at 2:29 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:

 Specifically, what type sd card are you trying to use?  There are several
 different specifications.  Also, before you updated to Mavericks, did it
 read the exact same card?  Are you at a position where you can try the card
 in another system not running Mavericks to see if the card is dammaged or
 not?  Can you try it in another system also running Mavericks to see the
 results you get?
 
 Once all this is tested, if another mac won't see it in Mavericks, yet a
 system not running Mavericks sees it, I'll file it for you as a bug, being I
 am an Apple dev, thus have access to the Bug reporter.  I'd rather if at all
 possible, you try those other things first.  If it isn't feezable to do
 those things, we'll wait and see if anyone else on lsit also has the issue.
 If so, I'll file it.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:18 PM
 To: mac access group
 Subject: sd cards not loading in new mac o s 
 
 Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics can
 any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
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Re: sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread krystal watson
it worked fine in mountain lion 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



On 22 Nov 2013, at 2:29 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:

 Specifically, what type sd card are you trying to use?  There are several
 different specifications.  Also, before you updated to Mavericks, did it
 read the exact same card?  Are you at a position where you can try the card
 in another system not running Mavericks to see if the card is dammaged or
 not?  Can you try it in another system also running Mavericks to see the
 results you get?
 
 Once all this is tested, if another mac won't see it in Mavericks, yet a
 system not running Mavericks sees it, I'll file it for you as a bug, being I
 am an Apple dev, thus have access to the Bug reporter.  I'd rather if at all
 possible, you try those other things first.  If it isn't feezable to do
 those things, we'll wait and see if anyone else on lsit also has the issue.
 If so, I'll file it.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:18 PM
 To: mac access group
 Subject: sd cards not loading in new mac o s 
 
 Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics can
 any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
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Re: please can someone advise?

2013-11-21 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Actually I do this after every install and every major update like the one 
coming up in a few months.  I also do it once a month as well and do notice a 
speed difference in this old clunker  I have here.  I just make it a habit. 
Have been doing this since I have owned snow lepherd. and i suggested this and 
teach this for the advanced users who want to keep their mac running in almost 
tip top shape with out buying any extra software.  I also scan and repair any 
errors on the disk every month as well. and I do see permission errors every 
month, not many but when a major install and update comes the table can be 
thousands of lines long. 

Take care.
On Nov 21, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 Personally, I think doing this after every single installation definitely!
 is way! way! way! overkill!  OK, it won't hurt anything to do so, but,
 frankly... in my opinion, why?  I mean ok, I see Anne's [point, don't get me
 wrong here, but, every installation?  That just seems a bit barbaric.  If
 you install something and start to see things gradually go haywire, then
 yeah! obviously! repair and check permissions, again, making sure you do so
 from another startup disk than the one you're checking/repairing if at all
 possible, but I see no point unless someone can explain to me why, you
 should have to do this after every God forsaken instalation.  Again, I sit
 on the ledge of the fence here.  I see Ann's point of reasoning, but also, I
 feel that is overkill by far and away.  No hard feelings meant whatsoever.
 This isn't meant to call down on Anne.  She offers extremely good
 information, and I'm incredibly grateful for her help.  All I'm saying is
 that I don't understand her logic.  Definitely, absolutely! no hard feelings
 what so ever intended, and I genuinely hope that my message doesn't come
 across arigantly or rudely, as I promise, that is not at all my intentions.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 6:00 AM
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: please can someone advise?
 
 Hi Anne -
 
 Thanks too for these instructions. I love the way you are always accurate
 and detailed in your explanations.
 
 You'll have seen that Chris had something to say on repairing permissions
 that for Mac novices like myself can leave us wondering what to do for the
 best.
 
 Your recommendation is to repair permissions after every software
 installation, is that regardless of where the software came from? For
 example, I installed iText Express and Line in yesterday, the first of
 course from the Mac app store, and the second from a third party provider,
 will this be ok, or should I do a permissions repair?
 
 Thanks for any clarification -
 
 Andy
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:01, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Henry,
 
 Here are a few things you should know about. You should repair permissions
 every time you install new software, and when your machine is behaving
 erratically, you should reset the PRAM. Instructions follow.
 
 You can shut down your computer tidily with Ctrl-Option-Command-Eject key
 (or Power key if you have a MacBook Air).
 
 Instructions for resetting the PRAM
 
 Shut down your computer, then hold down the following keys: Command,
 Option, R and P. With these held down, press the Power key once, keeping the
 four keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times.
 Release the four keys and the machine will boot normally.
 
 
 Repairing permissions
 
 Open the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u).
 Open Disk Utility.
 Select your HD in the table.
 Make sure that First Aid is selected.
 Navigate down to Repair Disk Permissions and click it.
 You can follow the progress of the repair by going up to the Results table
 and interacting with it.
 You can press Cmd-q from within the table.
 
 Your trackpad is reacting normally as that is the way a sighted person
 moves the mouse pointer.
 
 Which level of the OS are you using? Mountain Lion or Mavericks?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:27, Henry Miller he...@henryandangela.co.uk wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi Chris
 
 Many thanks, I have now managed to shut down and restart my Mac using the
 keystrokes you kindly suggested without turning the power off.
 
 I wonder if you or someone on the list could answer Another question?
 
 Although the trackpad commander is turned off, when I touch the pad with
 one
 finger VO announces what is beneath my finger-is this correct or should I
 turn something else off?
 
 best wishes
 
 Henry
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
 Gilland
 Sent: 20 November 2013 21:11
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility'
 Subject: RE: please can someone advise?
 
 Henry, eject is the key right to the right 

Re: sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Check your switch not he card to see if it is locked. If it is locked you will 
not be able to read the card at all.

Take care.
On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:56 PM, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
wrote:

 it worked fine in mountain lion 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
 On 22 Nov 2013, at 2:29 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Specifically, what type sd card are you trying to use?  There are several
 different specifications.  Also, before you updated to Mavericks, did it
 read the exact same card?  Are you at a position where you can try the card
 in another system not running Mavericks to see if the card is dammaged or
 not?  Can you try it in another system also running Mavericks to see the
 results you get?
 
 Once all this is tested, if another mac won't see it in Mavericks, yet a
 system not running Mavericks sees it, I'll file it for you as a bug, being I
 am an Apple dev, thus have access to the Bug reporter.  I'd rather if at all
 possible, you try those other things first.  If it isn't feezable to do
 those things, we'll wait and see if anyone else on lsit also has the issue.
 If so, I'll file it.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:18 PM
 To: mac access group
 Subject: sd cards not loading in new mac o s 
 
 Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics can
 any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
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Re: sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread krystal watson
i don’t know but its the usual card that the braille notes are shipped with and 
yes this card did work in mountain lion no i do not have another mac and i 
don’t have any one here to test it on another mac but the card is working fine 
on other computer like braille note and the same card worked fine on the same 
mac with old o s there is nothing wrong with the card its a known bug on apple 
suport site so its not me or my mac 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



On 22 Nov 2013, at 2:29 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:

 Specifically, what type sd card are you trying to use?  There are several
 different specifications.  Also, before you updated to Mavericks, did it
 read the exact same card?  Are you at a position where you can try the card
 in another system not running Mavericks to see if the card is dammaged or
 not?  Can you try it in another system also running Mavericks to see the
 results you get?
 
 Once all this is tested, if another mac won't see it in Mavericks, yet a
 system not running Mavericks sees it, I'll file it for you as a bug, being I
 am an Apple dev, thus have access to the Bug reporter.  I'd rather if at all
 possible, you try those other things first.  If it isn't feezable to do
 those things, we'll wait and see if anyone else on lsit also has the issue.
 If so, I'll file it.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:18 PM
 To: mac access group
 Subject: sd cards not loading in new mac o s 
 
 Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics can
 any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
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Re: sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread krystal watson
where is the switch i dout it would be as i have used the card before 
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com



On 22 Nov 2013, at 4:11 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check your switch not he card to see if it is locked. If it is locked you 
 will not be able to read the card at all.
 
 Take care.
 On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:56 PM, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it worked fine in mountain lion 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
 On 22 Nov 2013, at 2:29 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Specifically, what type sd card are you trying to use?  There are several
 different specifications.  Also, before you updated to Mavericks, did it
 read the exact same card?  Are you at a position where you can try the card
 in another system not running Mavericks to see if the card is dammaged or
 not?  Can you try it in another system also running Mavericks to see the
 results you get?
 
 Once all this is tested, if another mac won't see it in Mavericks, yet a
 system not running Mavericks sees it, I'll file it for you as a bug, being I
 am an Apple dev, thus have access to the Bug reporter.  I'd rather if at all
 possible, you try those other things first.  If it isn't feezable to do
 those things, we'll wait and see if anyone else on lsit also has the issue.
 If so, I'll file it.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:18 PM
 To: mac access group
 Subject: sd cards not loading in new mac o s 
 
 Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics can
 any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
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Re: sd cards not loading in new mac o s

2013-11-21 Thread Sarah k Alawami
It is I believe past the corner on the rectangular side. It’s  a movable switch 
that is used to lock the card and it’s tiny and sometimes easy to move. I can’t 
remember which is which though in terms of locking and unlocking the card. It’s 
been years since I used an sd card. 

Tc.
On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:27 PM, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
wrote:

 where is the switch i dout it would be as i have used the card before 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
 On 22 Nov 2013, at 4:11 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Check your switch not he card to see if it is locked. If it is locked you 
 will not be able to read the card at all.
 
 Take care.
 On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:56 PM, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it worked fine in mountain lion 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
 On 22 Nov 2013, at 2:29 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 Specifically, what type sd card are you trying to use?  There are several
 different specifications.  Also, before you updated to Mavericks, did it
 read the exact same card?  Are you at a position where you can try the card
 in another system not running Mavericks to see if the card is dammaged or
 not?  Can you try it in another system also running Mavericks to see the
 results you get?
 
 Once all this is tested, if another mac won't see it in Mavericks, yet a
 system not running Mavericks sees it, I'll file it for you as a bug, being 
 I
 am an Apple dev, thus have access to the Bug reporter.  I'd rather if at 
 all
 possible, you try those other things first.  If it isn't feezable to do
 those things, we'll wait and see if anyone else on lsit also has the issue.
 If so, I'll file it.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson
 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:18 PM
 To: mac access group
 Subject: sd cards not loading in new mac o s 
 
 Hi i can not get a s d card to load or show up using the new o s mavrics 
 can
 any one help please thanks i think its a bug 
 krystal watson
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
 
 
 
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step by step guide to reformatting the mac

2013-11-21 Thread Michael Marshall
hey listers,
because i’m a person who likes to know all he can about the mac i would like to 
ask about the steps needed to reformat the system.
could someone please giv me a step by step guide on what to do?
i know how to cleen install and all of that stuff but i’m just interested in 
this.

thanks

Michael
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