Mac App Deal: MacGourmet Deluxe has dropped in price:

[Sarah k Alawami]

I don't use this app as I have all of my recipes in a text file, Ok a few 
hundred text  files, but here enjoy for those that want a recipe app.


http://applevis.com/apps/deals/mac…

Tc all.
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Re: Safari Power Saver

[Travis Siegel]

On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Okay, what about today's SSD drives? I suspect the whole process  
would be pretty much instant.




SSd drives are disk storage, they have nothing more to do with memory  
than a standard harddrive does.  They're storage media, nothing more.
Sure, writing to and reading from them is extremely fast, compared to  
most other types of drives, but regardless, they're not memory such as  
what the computer uses to run your programs, and so wouldn't play into  
the whole compressing memory thing.


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Re: Assistance with the Calibre E-Book Library

[Travis Siegel]

I've fiddled with calibur a bit, but my version of osx is several  
versions behind the latest, and it doesn't work well for me at all.  I  
didn't know about the command-line options, I'll give them a try and  
see what (if anything) happens.


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Re: Python programming on the Mac.

[Zachary Kline]

Emacs or another programmer’s text editor will certainly be able to do this, 
but the problem of VoiceOVer accessibility will still be there.
I’ve managed to get Emacspeak working on the Mac, but it wasn’t the most 
intuitive process as far as I recall. I do recommend it though, contrary to the 
common perception I’ve found it a pretty great working environment once you get 
it running
Best,
Zack.
On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> Well, I don't use it, but from what I'm told, emacs can do this.  How you'd 
> set it up, or how well it works is unknown to me, but if you want to go that 
> route, let us know how it works out.  I honestly have no desire to use emacs, 
> (I've managed to avoid using it for the last 25+ years, and I certainly have 
> no desire to start using it now, so I can't help you in that endeavour should 
> you opt for it.
> The only way I know of to get indentation working properly is to set your tab 
> stops in text edit to be the number of spaces you want each indentation level 
> to be, then just pound away on the tab key the required number of times until 
> you're at the indentation level desired.
> I use a proprietary programming language to program diy hardware projects, 
> and it (like python) requires indentation to denote execution levels, and 
> it's a real pain for me to read someone else's code, though writing my own is 
> easy enough.  At one point, I'd considered writing a precompiler program that 
> would go through my source, and produce the proper indentation levels based 
> on tags I'd place in the code, but then I figured out it's easier (for me at 
> least) to just control the indentation levels myself, though I think it may 
> be useful for other people's code, so I may go ahead and write the thing 
> anyway, just so I can finally have a definite picture of unknown code and 
> indentation levels.
> On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
> 
>> Travis,
>> 
>> 
>> I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which 
>> means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only 
>> thing I would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents.  
>> Voice-Over doesn't give you this information.
>> 
>> 
>> Sean
>> On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>> 
>>> Heh.  Good luck with that.
>>> Python isn't a programming language per se.  It's really more of a 
>>> scripting language.  As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and 
>>> friends) won't work.  Really, you need to approach it the same way you 
>>> would if you were programming in an interpreted basic environment.  Put 
>>> print statements all over the place, and make it tell you what the 
>>> variables are at any given time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard 
>>> to know what's going on, especially if it's a production environment, and 
>>> error messages aren't printed (for security purposes of course) The only 
>>> thing you can do is springle print statements liberally through out the 
>>> code, and hope they tell you what you need to know.
>>> Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under 
>>> the circumstances.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>> 
 All.
 
 I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am 
 trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is 
 more then welcomed.
 
 
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Re: Python programming on the Mac.

[Travis Siegel]

Well, I don't use it, but from what I'm told, emacs can do this.  How  
you'd set it up, or how well it works is unknown to me, but if you  
want to go that route, let us know how it works out.  I honestly have  
no desire to use emacs, (I've managed to avoid using it for the last  
25+ years, and I certainly have no desire to start using it now, so I  
can't help you in that endeavour should you opt for it.
The only way I know of to get indentation working properly is to set  
your tab stops in text edit to be the number of spaces you want each  
indentation level to be, then just pound away on the tab key the  
required number of times until you're at the indentation level desired.
I use a proprietary programming language to program diy hardware  
projects, and it (like python) requires indentation to denote  
execution levels, and it's a real pain for me to read someone else's  
code, though writing my own is easy enough.  At one point, I'd  
considered writing a precompiler program that would go through my  
source, and produce the proper indentation levels based on tags I'd  
place in the code, but then I figured out it's easier (for me at  
least) to just control the indentation levels myself, though I think  
it may be useful for other people's code, so I may go ahead and write  
the thing anyway, just so I can finally have a definite picture of  
unknown code and indentation levels.

On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:


Travis,


I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python  
which means I don't necessarily have to have all those print  
statements. Only thing I would like to find is a good editor that  
would tell me the indents.  Voice-Over doesn't give you this  
information.



Sean
On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:


Heh.  Good luck with that.
Python isn't a programming language per se.  It's really more of a  
scripting language.  As such, the typical tools used for debugging  
(gdb and friends) won't work.  Really, you need to approach it the  
same way you would if you were programming in an interpreted basic  
environment.  Put print statements all over the place, and make it  
tell you what the variables are at any given time. Php is like this  
too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, especially if  
it's a production environment, and error messages aren't printed  
(for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is  
springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope  
they tell you what you need to know.
Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do  
under the circumstances.


On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:


All.

I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac.  
I am trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help  
on this is more then welcomed.



Sean
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Re: Safari Power Saver

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay, what about today's SSD drives? I suspect the whole process would be 
pretty much instant.


On 13 Jan 2014, at 8:37 am, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> 
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> One of the things the Power Saver does is to compress memory on the fly when 
>> memory starts getting low thus providing more memory for other applications.
> 
> This is a terrible idea.  This was tried many years ago in the dos era, and 
> it failed miserably.  I expect it will do the same here.  IMO, compressing 
> data in memory is *not* the way to go.  most unix oses already swap out 
> unused programs, which is sometimes why when you switch back to a program 
> you've not been using for a while, it takes a short time before it comes up, 
> because it needs to swap the program back into memory before it can run.  
> This truly is the best way to handle memory management.  It's a proven and 
> reliable technology, and has been used for almost as many years as unix has 
> been around.  Compressing existing memory is just asking for trouble, because 
> of the multiple methods of accessing memory, if a program asks for a segment 
> of memory that is compressed, and it doesn't ask in a way the compressor 
> understands, then it's going to fail fantastically, and nobody's going to be 
> able to figure out why (for a while at least).  These sorts of things are 
> what make 
 neat ideas on paper, but have horrible results in practice.
> If it works for you, be happy, but I'd not expect it to work all the time for 
> everything, and eventually, one of those times it isn't going to work is when 
> you'll need it the most *not* to fail.
> I'd personally stay away from this feature, but that's just me.  I'm sure 
> apple tested this feature, and feel it's ready for primetime use, but when I 
> manage to upgrade to mavericks, That's one feature I won't be activating.
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Re: Safari Power Saver

[Travis Siegel]

On Jan 8, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:


One of the things the Power Saver does is to compress memory on the  
fly when memory starts getting low thus providing more memory for  
other applications.


This is a terrible idea.  This was tried many years ago in the dos  
era, and it failed miserably.  I expect it will do the same here.   
IMO, compressing data in memory is *not* the way to go.  most unix  
oses already swap out unused programs, which is sometimes why when you  
switch back to a program you've not been using for a while, it takes a  
short time before it comes up, because it needs to swap the program  
back into memory before it can run.  This truly is the best way to  
handle memory management.  It's a proven and reliable technology, and  
has been used for almost as many years as unix has been around.   
Compressing existing memory is just asking for trouble, because of the  
multiple methods of accessing memory, if a program asks for a segment  
of memory that is compressed, and it doesn't ask in a way the  
compressor understands, then it's going to fail fantastically, and  
nobody's going to be able to figure out why (for a while at least).   
These sorts of things are what make neat ideas on paper, but have  
horrible results in practice.
If it works for you, be happy, but I'd not expect it to work all the  
time for everything, and eventually, one of those times it isn't going  
to work is when you'll need it the most *not* to fail.
I'd personally stay away from this feature, but that's just me.  I'm  
sure apple tested this feature, and feel it's ready for primetime use,  
but when I manage to upgrade to mavericks, That's one feature I won't  
be activating.


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Re: ot: deleting all mail in gmail, a tutorial.

[Josh Gregory]

I have the same results, what settings are you using  this Devin?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> I tried  that, and it didn't work in chrome.  The empty trash  thing was not 
> able to be clicked and the select all thing was not there. I got out of the 
> table and vo left once and never found a select all. Using the latest of os, 
> safari nd chrome here.
>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you. And to the person that said vo doesn't say "all 100 messages are 
>> selected", after pressing star a, it won't, unless you use chrome, I think. 
>> After pressing star a, stop interacting with the table, go left, and you'll 
>> see a heading, go right from there, and you'll see the option to select all 
>> mail and such. And yes, this works with any folder in gmail, including the 
>> lovely trash folder.
>> Sent from my braille plus 18
>> 
>> "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello
>>> 
>>> Just for future reference, If you know something is off topic for this 
>>> group, please do not post it to the group without first asking the list 
>>> owners, i.e., Mac Access Support, if it’s alright to do so.  However, since 
>>> your post is very specifically related to Apple’s platform, it is not, in 
>>> actual fact, off topic at all.  :)
>>> 
>>> So, there’s no issue.  The tutorial is very specific and that’s fine, 
>>> postings like this which directly deal with Apple’s hardware/software are 
>>> perfectly acceptable and, indeed, very much welcomed within the group.  We 
>>> would certainly not wish to deny the members of this group the opportunity 
>>> of trying your recommendations.  So, thanks for the post.
>>> 
>>> On 12 Jan 2014, at 04:40, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. After doing this, I thought I’d share with you all who I managed 
>>> this. Yes this is off topic, but you all can spread it around, I’m sure. 
>>> First, I go to gmail.google.com, with standard view. I press left and right 
>>> arrows to turn quick nag off, and press up and down arrows to focus  on the 
>>> table of messages. Er, that’s Quick Nav, not quick nag. Anyway, I press 
>>> star, that’s shift 8, then A. This selects all the messages on the page. 
>>> Then, I press number, or hash, or pound, which is shift 3. That deletes all 
>>> selected messages. Now, this is in the inbox, and while it will be helpful 
>>> on android devices and gmail web views, Apple mail, apparently, shows all 
>>> mail that is not from you or in its trash folder. So, you’ll have to go to 
>>> all mail. So, press right or left arrow until you hear something like inbox 
>>> link. Keep quick Nav off throughout this whole thing. While these are 
>>> links, which you can click on with VO space, you arrow down through them, 
>>> like menu options. Then, when you’ve reached All Mail, press enter. You’ll 
>>> be placed in the list of all your mail, every last one, including google 
>>> chats and such. Here, select all as described above, star then A. Then, 
>>> move out of the table, and you’ll find “all X of the messages on this page 
>>> are selected. Click to select all Y in all mail.” X being the number of 
>>> messages you have set to display per page, and Y being the total. So then, 
>>> click the link, and you have all 8 or so emails and chats selected. 
>>> Then, press the hash/pound/number, and you’ll be presented with a dialog. 
>>> Click okay. Another dialogue will proceed it, click okay. Then, close the 
>>> tag and wait for an hour or so, and your gmail will be cleansed of all the 
>>> mutterings of a long-abandoned email list and exs and all the other 
>>> memories you’d prefer not to have lingering around.
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Re: ot: deleting all mail in gmail, a tutorial.

[Sarah k Alawami]

I tried  that, and it didn't work in chrome.  The empty trash  thing was not 
able to be clicked and the select all thing was not there. I got out of the 
table and vo left once and never found a select all. Using the latest of os, 
safari nd chrome here.
On Jan 12, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Thank you. And to the person that said vo doesn't say "all 100 messages are 
> selected", after pressing star a, it won't, unless you use chrome, I think. 
> After pressing star a, stop interacting with the table, go left, and you'll 
> see a heading, go right from there, and you'll see the option to select all 
> mail and such. And yes, this works with any folder in gmail, including the 
> lovely trash folder.
> Sent from my braille plus 18
> 
> "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy"  wrote:
> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> Just for future reference, If you know something is off topic for this 
>> group, please do not post it to the group without first asking the list 
>> owners, i.e., Mac Access Support, if it’s alright to do so.  However, since 
>> your post is very specifically related to Apple’s platform, it is not, in 
>> actual fact, off topic at all.  :)
>> 
>> So, there’s no issue.  The tutorial is very specific and that’s fine, 
>> postings like this which directly deal with Apple’s hardware/software are 
>> perfectly acceptable and, indeed, very much welcomed within the group.  We 
>> would certainly not wish to deny the members of this group the opportunity 
>> of trying your recommendations.  So, thanks for the post.
>> 
>> On 12 Jan 2014, at 04:40, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. After doing this, I thought I’d share with you all who I managed 
>> this. Yes this is off topic, but you all can spread it around, I’m sure. 
>> First, I go to gmail.google.com, with standard view. I press left and right 
>> arrows to turn quick nag off, and press up and down arrows to focus  on the 
>> table of messages. Er, that’s Quick Nav, not quick nag. Anyway, I press 
>> star, that’s shift 8, then A. This selects all the messages on the page. 
>> Then, I press number, or hash, or pound, which is shift 3. That deletes all 
>> selected messages. Now, this is in the inbox, and while it will be helpful 
>> on android devices and gmail web views, Apple mail, apparently, shows all 
>> mail that is not from you or in its trash folder. So, you’ll have to go to 
>> all mail. So, press right or left arrow until you hear something like inbox 
>> link. Keep quick Nav off throughout this whole thing. While these are links, 
>> which you can click on with VO space, you arrow down through them, like menu 
>> options. Then, when you’ve reached All Mail, press enter. You’ll be placed 
>> in the list of all your mail, every last one, including google chats and 
>> such. Here, select all as described above, star then A. Then, move out of 
>> the table, and you’ll find “all X of the messages on this page are selected. 
>> Click to select all Y in all mail.” X being the number of messages you have 
>> set to display per page, and Y being the total. So then, click the link, and 
>> you have all 8 or so emails and chats selected. Then, press the 
>> hash/pound/number, and you’ll be presented with a dialog. Click okay. 
>> Another dialogue will proceed it, click okay. Then, close the tag and wait 
>> for an hour or so, and your gmail will be cleansed of all the mutterings of 
>> a long-abandoned email list and exs and all the other memories you’d prefer 
>> not to have lingering around.
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Re: Assistance with the Calibre E-Book Library

[Christian Schoepplein]

Hi James  and all,

to convert a book from a format to another with the Calibre command line tools, 
do the following:

1. Open a terminal.
2. Insert the following command to convert a book from one format into another, 
but be sure to use the right file suffix for the source and destination file. 
and keep in mind the upper and lower case letters in the command, MacOS isn’t 
case insensitive in the terminal. The ebook-convert command recognizes the 
source and destination format via the file suffix which is given in the 
command. So use the following command to convert an epub file into a pdf:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert file.epub file.pdf

To convert a pdf into an epub just tell the command the source and destination 
format via the file suffixes:

/Applications/calibre.app/Contents/MacOS/ebook-convert file.pdf file.epub

The source file will not be overwritten and the command examples above will 
search the source file in your home directory and the destination file will be 
stored also in the home dir.

Ciao and let me know, if it is working or if oyu have problems to execute the 
command,

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Re: Assistance with the Calibre E-Book Library

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi Christian

That would be very useful please.

Thanks
James 
On 12 Jan 2014, at 17:49, Christian Schoepplein  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am 12.01.2014 um 16:53 schrieb JAMES AUSTIN :
>> 
>> Has anyone had any luck in using the Calibre E-Book Library Manager? 
> 
> The graphical frontend isn’t useable with VO, some elements are spoken, but 
> as you mensioned the content of the window is not accessible.
> 
> However: Books can be converted via the terminal and the regarding command. 
> If this is interesting for you or someone else, let me know, I can post the 
> command.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
>  Christian
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Re: Assistance with the Calibre E-Book Library

[Christian Schoepplein]

Hi,

Am 12.01.2014 um 16:53 schrieb JAMES AUSTIN :
> 
> Has anyone had any luck in using the Calibre E-Book Library Manager? 

The graphical frontend isn’t useable with VO, some elements are spoken, but as 
you mensioned the content of the window is not accessible.

However: Books can be converted via the terminal and the regarding command. If 
this is interesting for you or someone else, let me know, I can post the 
command.

Ciao,

  Christian



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Re: New Commands in Safari?

[Chris H]

Hi
this only works if Quicknav is turned on, to do this press left and 
right arrows together.


Regards Chris

On 12/01/2014 16:10, Matthew Chao wrote:

Hi, Folks.  I'm using Mac OSX Mountain Lion version 10.8.5, and I'm noticing 
that when I'm in Safari and hold down the down arrow and right arrows 
simultaneously, I can't get into HTML mode like I used to in earlier versions 
of Mountain Lion.  How do I navigate in HTML mode now?  Thanks in advance.

Matthew Chao

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New Commands in Safari?

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Hi, Folks.  I'm using Mac OSX Mountain Lion version 10.8.5, and I'm noticing 
that when I'm in Safari and hold down the down arrow and right arrows 
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Re: ot: deleting all mail in gmail, a tutorial.

[Devin Prater]

Thank you. And to the person that said vo doesn't say "all 100 messages are 
selected", after pressing star a, it won't, unless you use chrome, I think. 
After pressing star a, stop interacting with the table, go left, and you'll see 
a heading, go right from there, and you'll see the option to select all mail 
and such. And yes, this works with any folder in gmail, including the lovely 
trash folder.
Sent from my braille plus 18

"Gordon, Lynne & Tracy"  wrote:

>Hello
>
>Just for future reference, If you know something is off topic for this group, 
>please do not post it to the group without first asking the list owners, i.e., 
>Mac Access Support, if it’s alright to do so.  However, since your post is 
>very specifically related to Apple’s platform, it is not, in actual fact, off 
>topic at all.  :)
>
>So, there’s no issue.  The tutorial is very specific and that’s fine, postings 
>like this which directly deal with Apple’s hardware/software are perfectly 
>acceptable and, indeed, very much welcomed within the group.  We would 
>certainly not wish to deny the members of this group the opportunity of trying 
>your recommendations.  So, thanks for the post.
>
>On 12 Jan 2014, at 04:40, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
>Hi all. After doing this, I thought I’d share with you all who I managed this. 
>Yes this is off topic, but you all can spread it around, I’m sure. First, I go 
>to gmail.google.com, with standard view. I press left and right arrows to turn 
>quick nag off, and press up and down arrows to focus  on the table of 
>messages. Er, that’s Quick Nav, not quick nag. Anyway, I press star, that’s 
>shift 8, then A. This selects all the messages on the page. Then, I press 
>number, or hash, or pound, which is shift 3. That deletes all selected 
>messages. Now, this is in the inbox, and while it will be helpful on android 
>devices and gmail web views, Apple mail, apparently, shows all mail that is 
>not from you or in its trash folder. So, you’ll have to go to all mail. So, 
>press right or left arrow until you hear something like inbox link. Keep quick 
>Nav off throughout this whole thing. While these are links, which you can 
>click on with VO space, you arrow down through them, like menu options. Then, 
>when you’ve reached All Mail, press enter. You’ll be placed in the list of all 
>your mail, every last one, including google chats and such. Here, select all 
>as described above, star then A. Then, move out of the table, and you’ll find 
>“all X of the messages on this page are selected. Click to select all Y in all 
>mail.” X being the number of messages you have set to display per page, and Y 
>being the total. So then, click the link, and you have all 8 or so emails 
>and chats selected. Then, press the hash/pound/number, and you’ll be presented 
>with a dialog. Click okay. Another dialogue will proceed it, click okay. Then, 
>close the tag and wait for an hour or so, and your gmail will be cleansed of 
>all the mutterings of a long-abandoned email list and exs and all the other 
>memories you’d prefer not to have lingering around.
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Assistance with the Calibre E-Book Library

[JAMES AUSTIN]

Hi everyone,

Has anyone had any luck in using the Calibre E-Book Library Manager? 

VO is able to read the titles of the windows and the menu bar, but not the 
content of the windows themselves. 

I have however managed to convert some books into EPUB by pure chance. So 
hopefully this might be of use to someone.

After you first open the app the first screen is the welcome wizard. By 
continuously pressing Enter you will eventually get to the Calibre main window. 
By default the Calibre Library where your converted books are stored is placed 
in your Home folder. I have no idea what the other defaults are, except that 
EPUB is the default output.

To add a book you can either locate it in Finder and use "open with" to add it 
to Calibre or you can add it directly from the "Add Books" option in the menu 
bar. Your new book will be at the top of the list, though conveniently, the 
list is not spoken. Once you select to convert the book (from the menu bar, VO 
will read you the title of the book. You can convert more than one, at the same 
time, but I've not tried this.

In the new window, pressing Shift+Tab followed by Enter will start the 
conversion, with VO announcing its commencement. VO will not announce when it's 
finished, but you'll find the converted book in your Calibre Library folder 
which as I said is in your Home folder by default.

if anyone knows of any more accessible software please let me know. I hope this 
is useful to someone.

Take care
James 
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Re: ot: deleting all mail in gmail, a tutorial.

[Gordon, Lynne & Tracy]

Hello

Just for future reference, If you know something is off topic for this group, 
please do not post it to the group without first asking the list owners, i.e., 
Mac Access Support, if it’s alright to do so.  However, since your post is very 
specifically related to Apple’s platform, it is not, in actual fact, off topic 
at all.  :)

So, there’s no issue.  The tutorial is very specific and that’s fine, postings 
like this which directly deal with Apple’s hardware/software are perfectly 
acceptable and, indeed, very much welcomed within the group.  We would 
certainly not wish to deny the members of this group the opportunity of trying 
your recommendations.  So, thanks for the post.

On 12 Jan 2014, at 04:40, Devin Prater  wrote:

Hi all. After doing this, I thought I’d share with you all who I managed this. 
Yes this is off topic, but you all can spread it around, I’m sure. First, I go 
to gmail.google.com, with standard view. I press left and right arrows to turn 
quick nag off, and press up and down arrows to focus  on the table of messages. 
Er, that’s Quick Nav, not quick nag. Anyway, I press star, that’s shift 8, then 
A. This selects all the messages on the page. Then, I press number, or hash, or 
pound, which is shift 3. That deletes all selected messages. Now, this is in 
the inbox, and while it will be helpful on android devices and gmail web views, 
Apple mail, apparently, shows all mail that is not from you or in its trash 
folder. So, you’ll have to go to all mail. So, press right or left arrow until 
you hear something like inbox link. Keep quick Nav off throughout this whole 
thing. While these are links, which you can click on with VO space, you arrow 
down through them, like menu options. Then, when you’ve reached All Mail, press 
enter. You’ll be placed in the list of all your mail, every last one, including 
google chats and such. Here, select all as described above, star then A. Then, 
move out of the table, and you’ll find “all X of the messages on this page are 
selected. Click to select all Y in all mail.” X being the number of messages 
you have set to display per page, and Y being the total. So then, click the 
link, and you have all 8 or so emails and chats selected. Then, press the 
hash/pound/number, and you’ll be presented with a dialog. Click okay. Another 
dialogue will proceed it, click okay. Then, close the tag and wait for an hour 
or so, and your gmail will be cleansed of all the mutterings of a 
long-abandoned email list and exs and all the other memories you’d prefer not 
to have lingering around.

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Spanish dictionary

[Chris Goodwin]

Hi all,

I'm lucky enough to be going off to a Spanish speaking country next week and 
would like to know if anyone has experience with a good but VoiceOver 
compatible iPhone English Spanish dictionary app?

I'm after a dictionary primarily, but don't mind learning about translaters too.

Many thanks,

Chris 
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Re: Python programming on the Mac.

[Sean Murphy]

Travis,


I have managed to work out how to do proper debugging with in python which 
means I don't necessarily have to have all those print statements. Only thing I 
would like to find is a good editor that would tell me the indents.  Voice-Over 
doesn't give you this information. 


Sean 
On 06/01/2014, at 3:42 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> Heh.  Good luck with that.
> Python isn't a programming language per se.  It's really more of a scripting 
> language.  As such, the typical tools used for debugging (gdb and friends) 
> won't work.  Really, you need to approach it the same way you would if you 
> were programming in an interpreted basic environment.  Put print statements 
> all over the place, and make it tell you what the variables are at any given 
> time. Php is like this too, sometimes it's hard to know what's going on, 
> especially if it's a production environment, and error messages aren't 
> printed (for security purposes of course) The only thing you can do is 
> springle print statements liberally through out the code, and hope they tell 
> you what you need to know.
> Not what you wanted to hear I'm sure, but it's the best you can do under the 
> circumstances.
> 
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Sean Murphy wrote:
> 
>> All.
>> 
>> I am seeking for people who are programming in Python on the Mac. I am 
>> trying to find a method of debugging Python script. Any help on this is more 
>> then welcomed.
>> 
>> 
>> Sean
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