direct link to get pages on the app store

[meadowlark77]

Hey you guys,
Does anybody know the direct link to get pages on the App Store? There's 
at least ten thousand pages, and I need the exact link.

Thanks in advance,

Brenda

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Re: Logitech Bluetooth UE Boombox, I Eat My Words

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Okay, that's a different model from the UE Boombox I've described which has a 
button, a slider switch and 2 sockets on the left and the volume up/down on the 
right with no buttons or switches on the top or back.


On 18 Mar 2014, at 2:21 pm, Christopher Gilland  
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> Do they have multiple models of the U E mobile boombox?  Unless I'm just 
> dumb, I don't see a steel handle.  Mine simply has the speaker grill then all 
> around it is a rubber piece which the grill is seated inside.  I don't think 
> the rubber piece can be removed.  It looks permanently glued to the speaker.  
> On the top however of the rubber piece are little indentions for your buttons 
> vol down, discover mode which is a big round button in the center you hold in 
> for a few seconds, then volume up.  On the back of the one I have is the 
> micro USB charger, and a two-way slider switch to turn the unit on.  When you 
> power it up, you hear an electric guitar D mager chord being strummed, then 
> once it connects, you hear that same guitar very quickly and very staccato 
> striking that same D chord, to confirm.  The model I have comes in a few 
> different colors:  yellow, blue, black, red which is what mine is, and I 
> think maybe gray, and maybe silver.  In the states, I paid about $99 for mine.
   Does this sound like the same thing?  When I pare, it does show up as 
logitech U E mobile boombox, but, I tell you, nowhere at all do I see a steel 
handle on the top.  What am I missing?
> 
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Re: Logitech Bluetooth UE Boombox, I Eat My Words

[Christopher Gilland]

Do they have multiple models of the U E mobile boombox?  Unless I'm just 
dumb, I don't see a steel handle.  Mine simply has the speaker grill then 
all around it is a rubber piece which the grill is seated inside.  I don't 
think the rubber piece can be removed.  It looks permanently glued to the 
speaker.  On the top however of the rubber piece are little indentions for 
your buttons vol down, discover mode which is a big round button in the 
center you hold in for a few seconds, then volume up.  On the back of the 
one I have is the micro USB charger, and a two-way slider switch to turn the 
unit on.  When you power it up, you hear an electric guitar D mager chord 
being strummed, then once it connects, you hear that same guitar very 
quickly and very staccato striking that same D chord, to confirm.  The model 
I have comes in a few different colors:  yellow, blue, black, red which is 
what mine is, and I think maybe gray, and maybe silver.  In the states, I 
paid about $99 for mine.  Does this sound like the same thing?  When I pare, 
it does show up as logitech U E mobile boombox, but, I tell you, nowhere at 
all do I see a steel handle on the top.  What am I missing?


Chris.

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Re: Item Chooser turning VO off

[Kristeen Hughes]

Thanks for this info. I will report this. It happens a lot more to me than it 
should and it has from the start.

Kristeen
On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi,
> THis is a VoiceOver crash, and should not be happening. might I suggest using 
> the web rotor instead? It’s a sortable list of the elements on a web page, 
> and more focused than the Item CHooser. Try it with cmd-u.
> That being said, I’d report this one to Apple Accessibility. I don’t use the 
> Item CHoose at all myself, but I’m sure they’ll want to know about it. Their 
> adress is accessibil...@apple.com.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
>> When I am in Safari, not all but some times, if I want to use the item 
>> chooser, I will press vo+i and after a short time of busy, the Mac will say, 
>> "welcome to Mac OS 10; Voiceover is running." There is no item chooser list. 
>> I'm not sure if it makes a difference how many items are on a page, but I 
>> think the more items, the more likely it is to happen. Does anyone know why 
>> this is happening? It makes dealing with some very important sites on the 
>> web very difficult.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Logitech Bluetooth UE Boombox, I Eat My Words

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes I eat my words, after my previous experience with a Logitech Boombox system 
I made it clear that I'd never ever purchase another Logitech Boombox again, 
that product had serious design flaws.

I'm now in the possession of a Logitech UE Bluetooth Boombox and I have to 
admit that the sound out of this unit - given its small compact boombox size - 
is quite stunning.

No, the UE Boombox isn't the standard of some of the other pieces of equipment 
I have here but nor should one expect this given the price tag associated with 
the unit.

The Boombox can handle up to 8 pieces of equipment paired at the same time, you 
might for instance take the UE Boombox to a party where you and your friends 
can take it in terns to play their favorite tracks.

Build quality of the UE Boombox isn't lacking in any department, just damn good 
quality throughout with a nice metal grill all around for the speakers and a 
steel handle on the top.

UE by the way stands for Ultimate Ears, you may have heard of the Ultimate Ears 
brand of headphones.  In 2008 Logitech acquired the Ultimate Ears company and 
have since used the branding on many Logitech products, the Ultimate Ears Radio 
for example.

An Ultimate Ears Logitech Air Speaker is also available which is supposed to 
sound even better than the Boombox described here.


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Re: Item Chooser turning VO off

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
THis is a VoiceOver crash, and should not be happening. might I suggest using 
the web rotor instead? It’s a sortable list of the elements on a web page, and 
more focused than the Item CHooser. Try it with cmd-u.
That being said, I’d report this one to Apple Accessibility. I don’t use the 
Item CHoose at all myself, but I’m sure they’ll want to know about it. Their 
adress is accessibil...@apple.com.
Best,
Zack.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> When I am in Safari, not all but some times, if I want to use the item 
> chooser, I will press vo+i and after a short time of busy, the Mac will say, 
> "welcome to Mac OS 10; Voiceover is running." There is no item chooser list. 
> I'm not sure if it makes a difference how many items are on a page, but I 
> think the more items, the more likely it is to happen. Does anyone know why 
> this is happening? It makes dealing with some very important sites on the web 
> very difficult.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: Item Chooser turning VO off

[Sarah k Alawami]

What it is is a voice over crash. I've had this happen before but it's rare. 
Can you maybe just  find he text you are looking for by typing it in the box 
when you hit vo f, then hitting vo g until you get to the text,  or if the site 
is well layer out you can navigate by heading with the vo cmd h and vo cmd 
shift h. vo cmd m for same level you just hit and vo shift cmd m for the 
previous  same heading you were just on.

Take care.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> When I am in Safari, not all but some times, if I want to use the item 
> chooser, I will press vo+i and after a short time of busy, the Mac will say, 
> "welcome to Mac OS 10; Voiceover is running." There is no item chooser list. 
> I'm not sure if it makes a difference how many items are on a page, but I 
> think the more items, the more likely it is to happen. Does anyone know why 
> this is happening? It makes dealing with some very important sites on the web 
> very difficult.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kristeen
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Item Chooser turning VO off

[Kristeen Hughes]

When I am in Safari, not all but some times, if I want to use the item chooser, 
I will press vo+i and after a short time of busy, the Mac will say, "welcome to 
Mac OS 10; Voiceover is running." There is no item chooser list. I'm not sure 
if it makes a difference how many items are on a page, but I think the more 
items, the more likely it is to happen. Does anyone know why this is happening? 
It makes dealing with some very important sites on the web very difficult.

Thanks in advance.

Kristeen

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Re: need to delete a dropbox folder out of Voice Dream

[meadowlark77]

Thanks. Worked for me.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "isaac" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: need to delete a dropbox folder out of Voice Dream


Go to settings then dropbox then switch it to off then voice dream will no 
longer communicate with the corrupted dropbox folder.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:52 AM, meadowlark77  wrote:

> Hello y'all,
>
>I have a strange question. I had a folder that corrupted in dropbox and
> had to delete it. So, it went off my phone. But when I regained my 
> purchases
> and all and could restore Voice Dream to my iPad Mini, that folder is
> mentioned in Voice Dream, as my default dropbox folder that I decided to 
> put
> my books into. How do I delete it out of Voice Dream, when it is no longer
> in Dropbox? For some reason, it did not default to the present folder that
> my books from bookshare or gutenberg would go into.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Brenda
>
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Can't get some mail on Mac

[Juaanita Marttin]

Since this morning, I am not receiving all my mail on the MacBook Air.  I am 
getting gmail on it, and all mail from both accounts on the phone.  I can also 
receive mail on the Windows laptop.  I haven’t changed any settings that I know 
of.  I went into system preferences and I found that one of the internet 
accounts could not receive mail.  I was asked to enter the password for that 
account which I did.  The password was not recognized.  What do I try next?
I also restarted the Mac but that didn’t solve the problem.  I can send mail 
from the account, I just can’t receive mail.

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Re: need to delete a dropbox folder out of Voice Dream

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Thanks, will do that.

Take care,

Brenda

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From: "isaac" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: need to delete a dropbox folder out of Voice Dream


Go to settings then dropbox then switch it to off then voice dream will no 
longer communicate with the corrupted dropbox folder.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:52 AM, meadowlark77  wrote:

> Hello y'all,
>
>I have a strange question. I had a folder that corrupted in dropbox and
> had to delete it. So, it went off my phone. But when I regained my 
> purchases
> and all and could restore Voice Dream to my iPad Mini, that folder is
> mentioned in Voice Dream, as my default dropbox folder that I decided to 
> put
> my books into. How do I delete it out of Voice Dream, when it is no longer
> in Dropbox? For some reason, it did not default to the present folder that
> my books from bookshare or gutenberg would go into.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Brenda
>
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Re: Giraffe Reader

[Leo Bissonnette]

Hi Anne,

Thanks for the e-mail address and your thoughts on the Reader.

Will write to Sam for some more details, etc.

Leo



On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Leo,
> 
> Here’s the e-mail address for Sam Jewell:
>>> sam.jew...@gmail.com
> 
> The Giraffe Reader is not as good as the StandScan Pro as it doesn’t have its 
> own lighting. However, it can be used in situations where the StandScan would 
> not be feasible, such as in a restaurant to read the menu. The Giraffe Reader 
> is much smaller to carry, takes up less space when erected and only weighs 70 
> g.
> 
> The Giraffe Reader could be very helpful to anyone who has trouble 
> positioning the iPhone to take pictures of text. I have both the StandScan 
> Pro and the Giraffe Reader and consider them complementary.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 17 Mar 2014, at 20:34, Leo Bissonnette  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have been trying to find info on the vendor for the Giraffe Reader and 
>> have not had any success.
>> 
>> At this point could someone send me the e-mail for the vendor of Giraffe 
>> Reader. I am keen to see how well it would do in comparison to the 
>> StandScan, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for help in this matter.
>> 
>> Leo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> Just for clearification. I have got in contact with Sam. Giraffereader 
>>> works also with IPhone 5s.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>> Den 14/03/2014 kl. 21.03 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>> :
>>> 
 Hi Anne.
 
 I contacted Sam at once yesterday, because I will buy one and try it out, 
 but I have not got any answer. I asked him about the 5s too, but I have 
 heard nothing.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 14/03/2014 kl. 09.15 skrev Anne Robertson :
 
> Hello Annie,
> 
> I have an iPhone 5.
> 
> I’m sure Sam would be happy to test the Giraffe Reader with various 
> iPhones if you e-mail him about your concerns.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 13 Mar 2014, at 19:42, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne.
>> 
>> Are you using an IPhone 5 or a 5s. I am afraid that these two models 
>> needs different distances. I do not know if I am right or wrong. I am 
>> sure we need to think about light conditions.
>> 
>> I think I will order one of these giraffe readers. I am doing a lot of 
>> experiments taking the pictures with my phone, and recognizing with 
>> finereader for the mac.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 13/03/2014 kl. 17.34 skrev Anne Robertson :
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> My Giraffe Reader arrived today. It’s amazingly light and small, and is 
>>> easy to erect and fold away again. Below my signature is a paper I 
>>> scanned using TextGrabber with flash on. The paper is an English exam 
>>> for French nursing students.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2008, GP figures show. 1 his meanb 070 ui u. 
>>> 850,000 more have diabetes without knowing it. Diabetes UK says the 
>>> rise is largely fuelled by 
>>> type 2 diabetes, linked to obesity and unhealthy lifestyles. The survey 
>>> combined GP data from 
>>> England^Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to calculate the overall 
>>> figure of how many people 
>>> in the UK are diagnosed with diabetes. 
>>> Type 1 diabetes accounts for about a tenth of cases and occurs when the 
>>> insulin-producing cells in 
>>> the body have been destroyed. 
>>> Type 2 diabetes develops when the insutin-producing cells in the body 
>>> are unable to produce enough insulin, or when the insulin that is 
>>> produced does not work properly. 
>>> Insulin enables the body to use sugar as energy and store any excess in 
>>> the liver and muscle. 
>>> If this fails, blood sugar rises and this can cause long-term 
>>> complications, such as kidney damage. 
>>> The NHS spends 10% of its budget on diabetes and 80% of this goes on 
>>> treating consequences such as amputation, kidney failure, heart disease 
>>> and stroke. 
>>> TEXT 2: HiRh Blood Pressure 
>>> What Causes High Blood Pressure? 
>>> The exact causes of high blood pressure are not known, but several 
>>> factors and conditions may play a role in 
>>> its development, including: 
>>> Smoking 
>>> Being overweight or obese 
>>> Lack of physical activity 
>>> Too much salt in the diet 
>>> Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day) 
>>> Stress 
>>> Older age 
>>> Genetics 
>>> Family history of high blood pressure 
>>> Chronic kidney disease 
>>> Adrenal and thyroid disorders 
>>> If your blood pressure is extremely high, there may be certain symptoms 
>>> to look out for, including: 
>>> Severe h

Re: need to delete a dropbox folder out of Voice Dream

[isaac]

Go to settings then dropbox then switch it to off then voice dream will no 
longer communicate with the corrupted dropbox folder.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:52 AM, meadowlark77  wrote:

> Hello y'all,
> 
>I have a strange question. I had a folder that corrupted in dropbox and 
> had to delete it. So, it went off my phone. But when I regained my purchases 
> and all and could restore Voice Dream to my iPad Mini, that folder is 
> mentioned in Voice Dream, as my default dropbox folder that I decided to put 
> my books into. How do I delete it out of Voice Dream, when it is no longer 
> in Dropbox? For some reason, it did not default to the present folder that 
> my books from bookshare or gutenberg would go into.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net 
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Re: Updating HP Wireless Printer Software for Mavericks [was Re: Printing wireless with Mac]

[Esther]

Hello Juanita,

According to HP, all you need to do is run Apple's software update to get 
printer drivers for Mavericks.  If your computer is not having any trouble 
seeing the new router and downloading software updates, then after running 
software update from Apple, you just need to follow the procedures for 
replacing the router being used for the printer at the URL:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/wireless-printing-center/reconfiguring-system-help3.html

With those instructions you should either be able to use the original software 
CD, or to use setup software that is built into the printer's hardware control 
panel to set the new network. (This is the part that is not accessible, with no 
spoken feed back on the device control panel or indication where the control 
buttons are located.)

Good luck.  Best,

Esther

On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Juanita Martin wrote:

> It may be easier for her to just update the software.  After all, it is her 
> computer.  
> She said something about a control yesterday when she was trying to set up 
> the printer so she may be on the right track.
> 
> 
> sent from my phone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Juanita,
>> 
>> For VoiceOver on the MacBook Pro, if Command-F5 or Fn-Command-F5 does not 
>> work, you may need your daughter to set up a separate account for you, so 
>> VoiceOver can be configured to come up automatically, or else have her 
>> configure the system preference settings under Accessibility for her 
>> account, so that you can easily bring up VoiceOver with Command-F5.  As 
>> others have said, you may need to know where you are in the login process to 
>> get VoiceOver to turn on.
>> 
>> You asked:
>> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
>> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
>> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
>> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info. My sighted daughter 
>> will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc but 
>> it doesn't support 10.9.
>> 
>> For the HP-specific part of your question, there are support web pages on 
>> updating the printer drivers for Mavericks using Apple's Software Update, 
>> and also on replacing a router for their wireless printers.  Since the 
>> release of Mavericks, HP has been distributing drivers through Apple's 
>> Software Update.  I've read that for some all-in-one printers the Scanner 
>> drivers do not  yet resolve issues with Scanning that is done without using 
>> the HP-specific software.
>> 
>> Here is the link for OS X v10.9 Mavericks: Installing and Using the Printer 
>> on a Mac:
>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03967522&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en
>> 
>> HP has an instruction page on replacing a router for their wireless printers:
>> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/wireless-printing-center/reconfiguring-system-help3.html
>> 
>> After navigating to "heading level 2 Replacing Your Wireless Router", 
>> navigate to the in-page link for "Changing wireless settings" and activate 
>> it (double tap on an iOS device or VO-Space on a Mac).  Note that they say 
>> you may have to unplug the power cord from your modem and wait at least 30 
>> minutes for the modem to reset.  If you have difficulties you might have to 
>> set the device up as though it were a new printer, by connecting with an 
>> ethernet cable directly to the modem of your Internet Service Provider.  
>> Also, some HP printers like their newer AirPrint printers may have a 
>> Wireless Setup Wizard that can be accessed from the printer's control panel. 
>>   That process is not accessible, but your daughter should be able to run 
>> this, if necessary.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:35 AM, alberto wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, if she tells you where you are on the computer that may help.  If you 
>>> are somewhere like in the desk top you should be fine, but if she has 
>>> already set a password on the mac it will be a little tougher for you to 
>>> get VO to work if she didn’t enable voice over to work on the lock screen 
>>> when she set it up.
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Juanita Martin  
 wrote:
 
 I have no clue as to where I am in the log in process.  This is my sighted 
 daughter's computer and VO hasn't been tried on it until this morning.  I 
 will tell her to update the software though.  
 
 sent from my phone
 
 
 
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Rodney Haynie  
> wrote:
> 
> When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
> the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
> I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
> user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
> the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
>>

Re: Giraffe Reader

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Leo,

Here’s the e-mail address for Sam Jewell:
>> sam.jew...@gmail.com

The Giraffe Reader is not as good as the StandScan Pro as it doesn’t have its 
own lighting. However, it can be used in situations where the StandScan would 
not be feasible, such as in a restaurant to read the menu. The Giraffe Reader 
is much smaller to carry, takes up less space when erected and only weighs 70 g.

The Giraffe Reader could be very helpful to anyone who has trouble positioning 
the iPhone to take pictures of text. I have both the StandScan Pro and the 
Giraffe Reader and consider them complementary.

Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Mar 2014, at 20:34, Leo Bissonnette  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have been trying to find info on the vendor for the Giraffe Reader and have 
> not had any success.
> 
> At this point could someone send me the e-mail for the vendor of Giraffe 
> Reader. I am keen to see how well it would do in comparison to the StandScan, 
> etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance for help in this matter.
> 
> Leo
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> Just for clearification. I have got in contact with Sam. Giraffereader works 
>> also with IPhone 5s.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 14/03/2014 kl. 21.03 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen 
>> :
>> 
>>> Hi Anne.
>>> 
>>> I contacted Sam at once yesterday, because I will buy one and try it out, 
>>> but I have not got any answer. I asked him about the 5s too, but I have 
>>> heard nothing.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>> Den 14/03/2014 kl. 09.15 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>> 
 Hello Annie,
 
 I have an iPhone 5.
 
 I’m sure Sam would be happy to test the Giraffe Reader with various 
 iPhones if you e-mail him about your concerns.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 13 Mar 2014, at 19:42, Annie Skov Nielsen  
 wrote:
 
> Hi Anne.
> 
> Are you using an IPhone 5 or a 5s. I am afraid that these two models 
> needs different distances. I do not know if I am right or wrong. I am 
> sure we need to think about light conditions.
> 
> I think I will order one of these giraffe readers. I am doing a lot of 
> experiments taking the pictures with my phone, and recognizing with 
> finereader for the mac.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> Den 13/03/2014 kl. 17.34 skrev Anne Robertson :
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> My Giraffe Reader arrived today. It’s amazingly light and small, and is 
>> easy to erect and fold away again. Below my signature is a paper I 
>> scanned using TextGrabber with flash on. The paper is an English exam 
>> for French nursing students.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2008, GP figures show. 1 his meanb 070 ui u. 
>> 850,000 more have diabetes without knowing it. Diabetes UK says the rise 
>> is largely fuelled by 
>> type 2 diabetes, linked to obesity and unhealthy lifestyles. The survey 
>> combined GP data from 
>> England^Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to calculate the overall 
>> figure of how many people 
>> in the UK are diagnosed with diabetes. 
>> Type 1 diabetes accounts for about a tenth of cases and occurs when the 
>> insulin-producing cells in 
>> the body have been destroyed. 
>> Type 2 diabetes develops when the insutin-producing cells in the body 
>> are unable to produce enough insulin, or when the insulin that is 
>> produced does not work properly. 
>> Insulin enables the body to use sugar as energy and store any excess in 
>> the liver and muscle. 
>> If this fails, blood sugar rises and this can cause long-term 
>> complications, such as kidney damage. 
>> The NHS spends 10% of its budget on diabetes and 80% of this goes on 
>> treating consequences such as amputation, kidney failure, heart disease 
>> and stroke. 
>> TEXT 2: HiRh Blood Pressure 
>> What Causes High Blood Pressure? 
>> The exact causes of high blood pressure are not known, but several 
>> factors and conditions may play a role in 
>> its development, including: 
>> Smoking 
>> Being overweight or obese 
>> Lack of physical activity 
>> Too much salt in the diet 
>> Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day) 
>> Stress 
>> Older age 
>> Genetics 
>> Family history of high blood pressure 
>> Chronic kidney disease 
>> Adrenal and thyroid disorders 
>> If your blood pressure is extremely high, there may be certain symptoms 
>> to look out for, including: 
>> Severe headaches 
>> Fatigue or confusion 
>> Vision problems 
>> Chest pain 
>> Difficulty breathing 
>> Irregular heartbeat 
>> Blood in the urine 
>> Pounding in your chest, neck, or ears > I ^ 
>> llfckfcfc^
>> 
>> Grabbed with TextGrabber
>> 
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
>>>

Re: Updating HP Wireless Printer Software for Mavericks [was Re: Printing wireless with Mac]

[Juanita Martin]

It may be easier for her to just update the software.  After all, it is her 
computer.  
She said something about a control yesterday when she was trying to set up the 
printer so she may be on the right track.


sent from my phone
 


> On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Esther  wrote:
> 
> Hello Juanita,
> 
> For VoiceOver on the MacBook Pro, if Command-F5 or Fn-Command-F5 does not 
> work, you may need your daughter to set up a separate account for you, so 
> VoiceOver can be configured to come up automatically, or else have her 
> configure the system preference settings under Accessibility for her account, 
> so that you can easily bring up VoiceOver with Command-F5.  As others have 
> said, you may need to know where you are in the login process to get 
> VoiceOver to turn on.
> 
> You asked:
> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info. My sighted daughter 
> will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc but 
> it doesn't support 10.9.
> 
> For the HP-specific part of your question, there are support web pages on 
> updating the printer drivers for Mavericks using Apple's Software Update, and 
> also on replacing a router for their wireless printers.  Since the release of 
> Mavericks, HP has been distributing drivers through Apple's Software Update.  
> I've read that for some all-in-one printers the Scanner drivers do not  yet 
> resolve issues with Scanning that is done without using the HP-specific 
> software.
> 
> Here is the link for OS X v10.9 Mavericks: Installing and Using the Printer 
> on a Mac:
> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03967522&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en
> 
> HP has an instruction page on replacing a router for their wireless printers:
> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/wireless-printing-center/reconfiguring-system-help3.html
> 
> After navigating to "heading level 2 Replacing Your Wireless Router", 
> navigate to the in-page link for "Changing wireless settings" and activate it 
> (double tap on an iOS device or VO-Space on a Mac).  Note that they say you 
> may have to unplug the power cord from your modem and wait at least 30 
> minutes for the modem to reset.  If you have difficulties you might have to 
> set the device up as though it were a new printer, by connecting with an 
> ethernet cable directly to the modem of your Internet Service Provider.  
> Also, some HP printers like their newer AirPrint printers may have a Wireless 
> Setup Wizard that can be accessed from the printer's control panel.   That 
> process is not accessible, but your daughter should be able to run this, if 
> necessary.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:35 AM, alberto wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, if she tells you where you are on the computer that may help.  If you 
>> are somewhere like in the desk top you should be fine, but if she has 
>> already set a password on the mac it will be a little tougher for you to get 
>> VO to work if she didn’t enable voice over to work on the lock screen when 
>> she set it up.
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Juanita Martin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have no clue as to where I am in the log in process.  This is my sighted 
>>> daughter's computer and VO hasn't been tried on it until this morning.  I 
>>> will tell her to update the software though.  
>>> 
>>> sent from my phone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
 
 When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
 the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
 I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
 user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
 the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
 does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
 enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
 start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
 Good luck.
 -Rodney
> 
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Re: Giraffe Reader

[Leo Bissonnette]

Hello,

I have been trying to find info on the vendor for the Giraffe Reader and have 
not had any success.

At this point could someone send me the e-mail for the vendor of Giraffe 
Reader. I am keen to see how well it would do in comparison to the StandScan, 
etc.

Thanks in advance for help in this matter.

Leo



On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> Just for clearification. I have got in contact with Sam. Giraffereader works 
> also with IPhone 5s.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> Den 14/03/2014 kl. 21.03 skrev Annie Skov Nielsen 
> :
> 
>> Hi Anne.
>> 
>> I contacted Sam at once yesterday, because I will buy one and try it out, 
>> but I have not got any answer. I asked him about the 5s too, but I have 
>> heard nothing.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>> Den 14/03/2014 kl. 09.15 skrev Anne Robertson :
>> 
>>> Hello Annie,
>>> 
>>> I have an iPhone 5.
>>> 
>>> I’m sure Sam would be happy to test the Giraffe Reader with various iPhones 
>>> if you e-mail him about your concerns.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 Mar 2014, at 19:42, Annie Skov Nielsen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Anne.
 
 Are you using an IPhone 5 or a 5s. I am afraid that these two models needs 
 different distances. I do not know if I am right or wrong. I am sure we 
 need to think about light conditions.
 
 I think I will order one of these giraffe readers. I am doing a lot of 
 experiments taking the pictures with my phone, and recognizing with 
 finereader for the mac.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 13/03/2014 kl. 17.34 skrev Anne Robertson :
 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My Giraffe Reader arrived today. It’s amazingly light and small, and is 
> easy to erect and fold away again. Below my signature is a paper I 
> scanned using TextGrabber with flash on. The paper is an English exam for 
> French nursing students.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 2008, GP figures show. 1 his meanb 070 ui u. 
> 850,000 more have diabetes without knowing it. Diabetes UK says the rise 
> is largely fuelled by 
> type 2 diabetes, linked to obesity and unhealthy lifestyles. The survey 
> combined GP data from 
> England^Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to calculate the overall 
> figure of how many people 
> in the UK are diagnosed with diabetes. 
> Type 1 diabetes accounts for about a tenth of cases and occurs when the 
> insulin-producing cells in 
> the body have been destroyed. 
> Type 2 diabetes develops when the insutin-producing cells in the body are 
> unable to produce enough insulin, or when the insulin that is produced 
> does not work properly. 
> Insulin enables the body to use sugar as energy and store any excess in 
> the liver and muscle. 
> If this fails, blood sugar rises and this can cause long-term 
> complications, such as kidney damage. 
> The NHS spends 10% of its budget on diabetes and 80% of this goes on 
> treating consequences such as amputation, kidney failure, heart disease 
> and stroke. 
> TEXT 2: HiRh Blood Pressure 
> What Causes High Blood Pressure? 
> The exact causes of high blood pressure are not known, but several 
> factors and conditions may play a role in 
> its development, including: 
> Smoking 
> Being overweight or obese 
> Lack of physical activity 
> Too much salt in the diet 
> Too much alcohol consumption (more than 1 to 2 drinks per day) 
> Stress 
> Older age 
> Genetics 
> Family history of high blood pressure 
> Chronic kidney disease 
> Adrenal and thyroid disorders 
> If your blood pressure is extremely high, there may be certain symptoms 
> to look out for, including: 
> Severe headaches 
> Fatigue or confusion 
> Vision problems 
> Chest pain 
> Difficulty breathing 
> Irregular heartbeat 
> Blood in the urine 
> Pounding in your chest, neck, or ears > I ^ 
> llfckfcfc^
> 
> Grabbed with TextGrabber
> 
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Updating HP Wireless Printer Software for Mavericks [was Re: Printing wireless with Mac]

[Esther]

Hello Juanita,

For VoiceOver on the MacBook Pro, if Command-F5 or Fn-Command-F5 does not work, 
you may need your daughter to set up a separate account for you, so VoiceOver 
can be configured to come up automatically, or else have her configure the 
system preference settings under Accessibility for her account, so that you can 
easily bring up VoiceOver with Command-F5.  As others have said, you may need 
to know where you are in the login process to get VoiceOver to turn on.

You asked:
We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
password.  The printer is trying to use our old info. My sighted daughter will 
be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc but it 
doesn't support 10.9.

For the HP-specific part of your question, there are support web pages on 
updating the printer drivers for Mavericks using Apple's Software Update, and 
also on replacing a router for their wireless printers.  Since the release of 
Mavericks, HP has been distributing drivers through Apple's Software Update.  
I've read that for some all-in-one printers the Scanner drivers do not  yet 
resolve issues with Scanning that is done without using the HP-specific 
software.

Here is the link for OS X v10.9 Mavericks: Installing and Using the Printer on 
a Mac:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03967522&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en

HP has an instruction page on replacing a router for their wireless printers:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/wireless-printing-center/reconfiguring-system-help3.html

After navigating to "heading level 2 Replacing Your Wireless Router", navigate 
to the in-page link for "Changing wireless settings" and activate it (double 
tap on an iOS device or VO-Space on a Mac).  Note that they say you may have to 
unplug the power cord from your modem and wait at least 30 minutes for the 
modem to reset.  If you have difficulties you might have to set the device up 
as though it were a new printer, by connecting with an ethernet cable directly 
to the modem of your Internet Service Provider.  Also, some HP printers like 
their newer AirPrint printers may have a Wireless Setup Wizard that can be 
accessed from the printer's control panel.   That process is not accessible, 
but your daughter should be able to run this, if necessary.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:35 AM, alberto wrote:

> Hi, if she tells you where you are on the computer that may help.  If you are 
> somewhere like in the desk top you should be fine, but if she has already set 
> a password on the mac it will be a little tougher for you to get VO to work 
> if she didn’t enable voice over to work on the lock screen when she set it up.
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Juanita Martin  
> wrote:
> 
>> I have no clue as to where I am in the log in process.  This is my sighted 
>> daughter's computer and VO hasn't been tried on it until this morning.  I 
>> will tell her to update the software though.  
>> 
>> sent from my phone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
>>> the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
>>> I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
>>> user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
>>> the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
>>> does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
>>> enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
>>> start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
>>> Good luck.
>>> -Rodney
>>> 

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Re: Zoom on the Mac verses Zoomtext

[Eleanor Burke]

thank you Brian unfortunately for me to text does not work in association with 
voice-over this is very disappointing however I shall endeavour to dry it out 
for the 60 day demo

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:
> 
> Yes, there are hotkeys for zoomtext mac. Google is your friend. A quick 
> search for keywords “zoomtext mac hotkeys” returned a long list of results, 
> the first of which is a youtube video with a well done audio track describing 
> zoomtext mac hotkeys.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfGub8jhXmg
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Eleanor Burke  
>> wrote:
>> Hi Brian, I wonder if there are any keyboard commands to control Zoomtext, 
>> e.g. increasing and decreasing the magnification and exiting Zoomtext.  I 
>> did resolve the mouse issue by increasing the speed.
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Re: Zoom on the Mac verses Zoomtext

[Bryan Jones]

Yes, there are hotkeys for zoomtext mac. Google is your friend. A quick search 
for keywords “zoomtext mac hotkeys” returned a long list of results, the first 
of which is a youtube video with a well done audio track describing zoomtext 
mac hotkeys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfGub8jhXmg

HTH,
Bryan

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> Hi Brian, I wonder if there are any keyboard commands to control Zoomtext, 
> e.g. increasing and decreasing the magnification and exiting Zoomtext.  I did 
> resolve the mouse issue by increasing the speed.

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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[chris]

So there is! It is under Mavericks as well. The button is actually called 
assign commands button. Another awesome discovery I made with VoiceOver today!
Regards Chris
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:56, Red.Falcon  wrote:

> Ok Sorry Chris I'm not sure what OS your running but On mine running Mountain 
> Kitty there is a button but it is to see what keys are active and if needed a 
> option to add new ones!
> 
> And Eleanor!
> There is need to do anything unless one of the keys are not doing what it is 
> supposed too!
> But a good way to see the options without messing with the key settings is to 
> open VO+HH and arrow down to Quick Nav and go into that menu and all the keys 
> are listed and what they do!
> HTH Colin
> On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
> 
>> There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
>> start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard help 
>> press escape.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>> On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>>> Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
>>> anything I need to do with the button?
>>> 
>>> Eleanor
>>> - Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon"
>>> 
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi!
 Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
 And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
 6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
 If that is useful to you!
 Hi!
 OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
 2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
 3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
 4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
 and a button to show info about what key does what!
 HTH Colin.
 On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
 wrote:
 
> I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
> name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
> use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
> words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
> so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
> it one handed thanks to quicknav.
> 
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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[alberto]

Hi, if she tells you where you are on the computer that may help.  If you are 
somewhere like in the desk top you should be fine, but if she has already set a 
password on the mac it will be a little tougher for you to get VO to work if 
she didn’t enable voice over to work on the lock screen when she set it up.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Juanita Martin  wrote:

> I have no clue as to where I am in the log in process.  This is my sighted 
> daughter's computer and VO hasn't been tried on it until this morning.  I 
> will tell her to update the software though.  
> 
> sent from my phone
> 
> 
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>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>> 
>> When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
>> the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
>> I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
>> user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
>> the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
>> does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
>> enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
>> start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
>> Good luck.
>> -Rodney
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/17/14, isaac  wrote:
>>> To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover
>>> will come on.
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
 How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's
 computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.
 
 
 sent from my phone
 
 
 
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
> 
> Try updating the software.
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new
>> router.  Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know
>> it has to do with changing the network name.  How do you change the
>> network name and password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.
>> My sighted daughter will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run
>> the software from disc but it doesn't support 10.9.
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>> When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
>> the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
>> I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
>> user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
>> the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
>> does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
>> enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
>> start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
>> Good luck.
>> -Rodney
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/17/14, isaac  wrote:
>>> To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover
>>> will come on.
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
 How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's
 computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.
 
 
 sent from my phone
 
 
 
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
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> Try updating the software.
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin
>>  wrote:
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>> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new
>> router.  Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know
>> it has to do with changing the network name.  How do you change the
>> network name and password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.
>> My sighted daughter will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run
>> the software from disc but it doesn't support 10.9.
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Re: VO not announcingfolders in mail

[Sarah k Alawami]

You can do that in the view mini, yes, even set up a keyboard hsotcut, but I 
would not recommend doing this. it would just make a big mess of things and 
probably take up mor system resources then I care to know at this point in time.

take care.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:44 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Look in the view menu I saw option to expand or collapse in there.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
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> 
> On 16/03/2014 23:15, JAKE JOEHL wrote:
>> I am getting the “expanded” and collapsed” messages spoken by VoiceOver. But 
>> what I’m wondering is this. Is there a setting that will permanently expand 
>> the messages conversations? I’ve looked but can’t find anything to that 
>> effect.
>> Jake
>> JAKE JOEHL
>> jajo...@att.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> Are you sure it is not saying expanded and collapsed? normally if it odes 
>>> that you know there are subfolders and stuff.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Mark Furness  wrote:
>>> 
 Running Mavericks,
 as I go through my mail boxes it does not announce if there are sub boxes 
 within the boxes or folders.
 
 Fortunately, I know which ones do then I right arrow to open it up.
 left arrow to close.
 
 How can I get this info each timeas not all mail boxes do this?
 
 Mark
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Re: Adium as of today

[Sarah k Alawami]

Well, for some reason I can't report a ticket as it errors out with a field I 
already filled in.

I might or might not try again. We'llsee what happens.

Take care.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 12:57 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> That's not good enough. Three months without a fix? Surely this can be fixed 
> quicker than that.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
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> 
> On 17/03/2014 01:53, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> Oh trust me they are quite broken, have been for the past 3 months worth of 
>> nightly builds. I have not done a complete reset of the app  to see if that 
>> would clear it, but here you go.
>> 
>> http://audioboo.fm/boos/1996585
>> 
>> I hope this can get looked at.
>> 
>> Take care to all and enjoy.
>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Christopher gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> What are you having issues with within the prefs?  They read perfectly fine 
>>> here last I looked, but then again, I'm not on the nightly build.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Adium as of today
>>> 
>>> 
 it works, how ever the prefs don't read well at all. I'm using the nightly 
 build btw. but yeah it works even  better then before.
 
 Take care.
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> How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't 
> like the system voice announcing when someone is connected then online. 
> If they're connected then to me they're online or in some other status 
> other than offline so don't need to know whether they're connected as 
> well as their actual status. As a result I gave up on it. Any comments 
> greatly appreciated.
> --
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Re: voice over speed hack for osx

[Sarah k Alawami]

Lol. I've seen them, for me XCode is a lot easier and I can't make a my stake 
and brake things as badly. and it might be easier for the intermiaded user 
which I am.

Take care.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:40 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> Actually, it isn't necessary to install Xcode, though it does give you 
> dashboard which organizes the plist files nicely, and let's you see what goes 
> where.
> These plist files are plain text files.  Simply open them in text edit or 
> something similar, and edit away.  Just be sure not to overwrite any of the 
> xml tags, or the settings won't be understood by vo, and all your hard work 
> would be in vane.
> hth.
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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[Juanita Martin]

I have no clue as to where I am in the log in process.  This is my sighted 
daughter's computer and VO hasn't been tried on it until this morning.  I will 
tell her to update the software though.  

sent from my phone
 


> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
> 
> When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
> the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
> I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
> user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
> the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
> does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
> enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
> start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
> Good luck.
> -Rodney
> 
> 
>> On 3/17/14, isaac  wrote:
>> To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover
>> will come on.
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
>>> How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's
>>> computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> sent from my phone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
 
 Try updating the software.
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new
> router.  Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know
> it has to do with changing the network name.  How do you change the
> network name and password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.
> My sighted daughter will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run
> the software from disc but it doesn't support 10.9.
> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
> When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
> the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
> I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
> user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
> the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
> does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
> enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
> start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
> Good luck.
> -Rodney
> 
> 
>> On 3/17/14, isaac  wrote:
>> To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover
>> will come on.
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
>>> How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's
>>> computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> sent from my phone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
 
 Try updating the software.
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new
> router.  Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know
> it has to do with changing the network name.  How do you change the
> network name and password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.
> My sighted daughter will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run
> the software from disc but it doesn't support 10.9.
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Great Colin, much appreciate that.  Like you I have a button there but will 
leave alone and take other advice given re exploring what the commands do 
with vo hh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Red.Falcon" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


Ok Sorry Chris I'm not sure what OS your running but On mine running 
Mountain Kitty there is a button but it is to see what keys are active and 
if needed a option to add new ones!


And Eleanor!
There is need to do anything unless one of the keys are not doing what it 
is supposed too!
But a good way to see the options without messing with the key settings is 
to open VO+HH and arrow down to Quick Nav and go into that menu and all 
the keys are listed and what they do!

HTH Colin
On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Chris Apple boy  
wrote:


There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard 
help press escape.


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
anything I need to do with the button?

Eleanor
- Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
and a button to show info about what key does what!
HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
wrote:


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris


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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Excellent thanks Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


To use the rotor press up-left arrows or up-right arrows together until it 
says words or characters. To navigate simply use the up or down arrow 
keys, not together but individually.


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 11:03, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can
only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial 
and

error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the
voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Zoom on the Mac verses Zoomtext

[Eleanor Burke]

Hi Brian, I wonder if there are any keyboard commands to control Zoomtext, 
e.g. increasing and decreasing the magnification and exiting Zoomtext.  I 
did resolve the mouse issue by increasing the speed.
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zoom on the Mac verses Zoomtext



Hello Eleanor,

Yes, I think this might be a feature request worth posting to the Apple 
Accessibility Team. They can be reached via email at 
accessibil...@apple.com


HTH,
Bryan


On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Eleanor Burke  
wrote:
for Zoom.  However, one thing I do notice is that as I use reverse 
colours, black background and white text, the mouse is white too, however, 
unless I have the window maxamised, then the white mouse can get lost in 
the area of the screen below a window that is not maxamised.  This however 
is something that Apple could alter I am sure if in accessability they 
provided different colour mouse pointers.


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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[Rodney Haynie]

When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
Good luck.
-Rodney


On 3/17/14, isaac  wrote:
> To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover
> will come on.
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
>> How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's
>> computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.
>>
>>
>> sent from my phone
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
>>>
>>> Try updating the software.
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin
  wrote:

 We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new
 router.  Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know
 it has to do with changing the network name.  How do you change the
 network name and password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.
 My sighted daughter will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run
 the software from disc but it doesn't support 10.9.
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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[alberto]

Hi, have you tried fn command f5>?
On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:27 AM, Juanita Martin  wrote:

> Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
> How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's 
> computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.  
> 
> 
> sent from my phone
> 
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>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
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>> Try updating the software.
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
>>> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
>>> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
>>> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted daughter 
>>> will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc 
>>> but it doesn’t support 10.9.  
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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[Red.Falcon]

It might be that under Accessibility in System pref's the voiceover check box 
is not checked so Command+f5 would not work, so [forgive pun] have a look 
there! *smile*
Colin

On 17 Mar 2014, at 15:03, "wayne17a"  wrote:

>   Hi try using the fn key with f5and see if that works 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 10:33 AM
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> Subject: Re: Printing wireless with Mac
> 
> To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover
> will come on.
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin 
> wrote:
> 
>> Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
>> How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's
> computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.  
>> 
>> 
>> sent from my phone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try updating the software.
 On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin
>  wrote:
 
 We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new
> router.  Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it
> has to do with changing the network name.  How do you change the network
> name and password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted
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RE: Printing wireless with Mac

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Hi try using the fn key with f5and see if that works 

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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 10:33 AM
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Subject: Re: Printing wireless with Mac

To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover
will come on.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin 
wrote:

> Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
> How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's
computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.  
> 
> 
> sent from my phone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>> Try updating the software.
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new
router.  Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it
has to do with changing the network name.  How do you change the network
name and password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted
daughter will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from
disc but it doesn't support 10.9.  
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need to delete a dropbox folder out of Voice Dream

[meadowlark77]

Hello y'all,

I have a strange question. I had a folder that corrupted in dropbox and 
had to delete it. So, it went off my phone. But when I regained my purchases 
and all and could restore Voice Dream to my iPad Mini, that folder is 
mentioned in Voice Dream, as my default dropbox folder that I decided to put 
my books into. How do I delete it out of Voice Dream, when it is no longer 
in Dropbox? For some reason, it did not default to the present folder that 
my books from bookshare or gutenberg would go into.

Thanks in advance,

Brenda

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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[isaac]

To get vo to work with the mac book pro just press command f 5 and voiceover 
will come on.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Juanita Martin  wrote:

> Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
> How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's 
> computer.  I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.  
> 
> 
> sent from my phone
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>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>> Try updating the software.
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin  
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>>> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
>>> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
>>> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
>>> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted daughter 
>>> will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc 
>>> but it doesn’t support 10.9.  
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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[Juanita Martin]

Okay.  I'll try that but here's another question:
How do I get VO to work with the MacBook Pro?  This is my daughter's computer.  
I tried the command F5 but the computer just made this cord.  


sent from my phone
 


> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:59 AM, isaac  wrote:
> 
> Try updating the software.
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin  
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>> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
>> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
>> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted daughter 
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Re: Zoom on the Mac verses Zoomtext

[Bryan Jones]

Hello Eleanor,

Yes, I think this might be a feature request worth posting to the Apple 
Accessibility Team. They can be reached via email at accessibil...@apple.com

HTH,
Bryan


On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Eleanor Burke  wrote:
for Zoom.  However, one thing I do notice is that as I use reverse colours, 
black background and white text, the mouse is white too, however, unless I have 
the window maxamised, then the white mouse can get lost in the area of the 
screen below a window that is not maxamised.  This however is something that 
Apple could alter I am sure if in accessability they provided different colour 
mouse pointers. 

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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

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Try updating the software.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Juaanita Marttin  wrote:

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> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted daughter 
> will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc but 
> it doesn’t support 10.9.  
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Re: Printing wireless with Mac

[isaac]

Is there a update to the software.
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> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted daughter 
> will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc but 
> it doesn’t support 10.9.  
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RE: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[David Griffith]

You don't turn quick nav off for that.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 17 March 2014 11:04
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


> I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. I

> also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
> VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
> characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
> and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
> thanks to quicknav.
>
> Regards Chris
>
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>
> On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>>
>>
>>> You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
>>> where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
>>> what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
>>> elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
>>> VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.
>>>
>>> Regards Chris
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
 are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only 
 get
 to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
 error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
 - Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"
 
 To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


> Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
> them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
> To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
> left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.
>
> Regards Chris
>
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> On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
>> open my
>> Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the 
>> voice
>> over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
>> where it requires both hands?
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Re: voice over speed hack for osx

[Travis Siegel]

Actually, it isn't necessary to install Xcode, though it does give you  
dashboard which organizes the plist files nicely, and let's you see  
what goes where.
These plist files are plain text files.  Simply open them in text edit  
or something similar, and edit away.  Just be sure not to overwrite  
any of the xml tags, or the settings won't be understood by vo, and  
all your hard work would be in vane.

hth.

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Printing wireless with Mac

[Juaanita Marttin]

We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
password.  The printer is trying to use our old info.  My sighted daughter will 
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doesn’t support 10.9.  
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Red.Falcon]

Ok Sorry Chris I'm not sure what OS your running but On mine running Mountain 
Kitty there is a button but it is to see what keys are active and if needed a 
option to add new ones!

And Eleanor!
There is need to do anything unless one of the keys are not doing what it is 
supposed too!
But a good way to see the options without messing with the key settings is to 
open VO+HH and arrow down to Quick Nav and go into that menu and all the keys 
are listed and what they do!
HTH Colin
On 17 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
> start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard help 
> press escape.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
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> On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
>> anything I need to do with the button?
>> 
>> Eleanor
>> - Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon"
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
>>> And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
>>> 6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
>>> If that is useful to you!
>>> Hi!
>>> OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
>>> 2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
>>> 3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
>>> 4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
>>> and a button to show info about what key does what!
>>> HTH Colin.
>>> On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
 name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
 use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
 words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
 so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
 it one handed thanks to quicknav.
 
 Regards Chris
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard 
help press escape.


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
anything I need to do with the button?

Eleanor
- Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
and a button to show info about what key does what!
HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy 
wrote:


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris


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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

To use the rotor press up-left arrows or up-right arrows together until 
it says words or characters. To navigate simply use the up or down arrow 
keys, not together but individually.


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 11:03, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can
only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the
voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. I 
also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
thanks to quicknav.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only 
get

to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the 
voice

over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Eleanor Burke]

Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there 
anything I need to do with the button?


Eleanor
- Original Message - 
From: "Red.Falcon" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to 6 
will move through heading levels 1 to 6!

If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation and a 
button to show info about what key does what!

HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy  
wrote:


I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. 
I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
thanks to quicknav.


Regards Chris


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RE: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[David Griffith]

That is it precisely.
Remember also that you can interact with quick nav down and right arrow.
Un interact  down and left arrow.
Up and down arrow together is the same as vo space.

However The voiceover  lock keys are useful if you are also using lots of
other voiceover  commands in a sequence of tasks as well as navigation.  For
example a powerful feature of Voiceover is its ability to copy not just text
but any content spoken through Voiceover . you may repeatedly want to use VO
C to copy last phrase spoken to clipboard.  This becomes simply shift C.
Also it helps if you are doing lots of virtual mouse clicks then you can use
shift spacebar rather than shift vo spacebar.   However for straightforward
navigation purposes Quick Nav is far simpler and far more powerful on the
web.

David Griffith 


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 16 March 2014 23:33
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Apple boy" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys


> You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages 
> where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see what I 
> mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web elements 
> but these are off by default but can be turned on in VoiceOver Utility, 
> commanders, quicknav tab.
>
> Regards Chris
>
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>
> On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:
>> OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
>> are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
>> to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
>> error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys
>>
>>
>>> Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
>>> them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
>>> To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
>>> left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.
>>>
>>> Regards Chris
>>>
>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open 
 my
 Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
 over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
 where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Red.Falcon]

Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to 6 will 
move through heading levels 1 to 6!
If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation and a 
button to show info about what key does what!
HTH Colin.
On 17 Mar 2014, at 08:40, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. I 
> also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the VoiceOver 
> rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or characters even 
> if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome and makes using the 
> mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed thanks to quicknav.
> 
> Regards Chris

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Re: VO not announcingfolders in mail

[Chris Apple boy]

Look in the view menu I saw option to expand or collapse in there.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 23:15, JAKE JOEHL wrote:

I am getting the “expanded” and collapsed” messages spoken by VoiceOver. But 
what I’m wondering is this. Is there a setting that will permanently expand the 
messages conversations? I’ve looked but can’t find anything to that effect.
Jake
JAKE JOEHL
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On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:


Are you sure it is not saying expanded and collapsed? normally if it odes that 
you know there are subfolders and stuff.

Take care.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Mark Furness  wrote:


Running Mavericks,
as I go through my mail boxes it does not announce if there are sub boxes 
within the boxes or folders.

Fortunately, I know which ones do then I right arrow to open it up.
left arrow to close.

How can I get this info each timeas not all mail boxes do this?

Mark
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

[Chris Apple boy]

I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. 
I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
thanks to quicknav.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Adium as of today

[Chris Apple boy]

It's sorted now thanks to my own messing. Turned out I had it speak when 
contact returns from away and or idle causing it to say "contact become 
active" which I didn't really want. What I'd like to see though is the 
ability to preview what will be spoken for that event. It's all very 
well having it speak the event aloud but what will it actually say? We 
don't know till it actually happens. Now as for sounds they play just 
fine in the events table. Otherwise I like it and consider using it full 
time if I choose not to use Skype.


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 00:44, Christopher gilland wrote:

I never have had that problem, ever.  You have to be sure that you set
your events up correctly, but as long as you do that, it works very very
well.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:13 AM
Subject: Adium as of today



How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't
like the system voice announcing when someone is connected then
online. If they're connected then to me they're online or in some
other status other than offline so don't need to know whether they're
connected as well as their actual status. As a result I gave up on it.
Any comments greatly appreciated.
--
Regards Chris

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Re: Adium as of today

[Chris Apple boy]

You're never going to believe this but Firefox on the other platform 
called this website untrusted. Lol!


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 00:46, Christopher gilland wrote:

It's free, and no.

go to:

http://www.adiumx.com

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eleanor Burke"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Adium as of today



Is Adium available through the Mac app store?  How much does it cost?
- Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy"

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Adium as of today



Adium I use all the time. I have it set up so when a new chat comes in
from a different person, I am alerted. Since I can have up to 5 to 8
conversations going a time. It is important I know who has just
updated or
pinged me. No other IM does this sort of thing.

It is all configurable and is one of the best IM chats on the market.

Sean


On 16/03/2014 8:35 am, "Chris Apple boy" 
wrote:


True and yes I probably did. Will have to do some more investigating I
guess. Now I'm not so new to the mac I may just give it another go.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/03/2014 08:18, Josh Gregory wrote:

No offense meant but you must've set that up yourself, it doesn't come
like that by default

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Chris Apple boy
 wrote:

How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but
didn't
like the system voice announcing when someone is connected then
online.
If they're connected then to me they're online or in some other
status
other than offline so don't need to know whether they're connected as
well as their actual status. As a result I gave up on it. Any
comments
greatly appreciated.
--
Regards Chris

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Re: Adium as of today

[Chris Apple boy]

That's not good enough. Three months without a fix? Surely this can be 
fixed quicker than that.


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On 17/03/2014 01:53, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh trust me they are quite broken, have been for the past 3 months worth of 
nightly builds. I have not done a complete reset of the app  to see if that 
would clear it, but here you go.

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1996585

I hope this can get looked at.

Take care to all and enjoy.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Christopher gilland  
wrote:


What are you having issues with within the prefs?  They read perfectly fine 
here last I looked, but then again, I'm not on the nightly build.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Adium as of today



it works, how ever the prefs don't read well at all. I'm using the nightly 
build btw. but yeah it works even  better then before.

Take care.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:


How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't like the 
system voice announcing when someone is connected then online. If they're 
connected then to me they're online or in some other status other than offline 
so don't need to know whether they're connected as well as their actual status. 
As a result I gave up on it. Any comments greatly appreciated.
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