Re: [Mac-access]: IOS BT keyboards was re:: Iphone 5 or 4S

[Judy Pryor]

thank you so much for all that info it has been a great help.  Talking about 
the fingertip touch ID on iPhone 5s is it possible to turn that feature off so 
you can just use the Home button as in the older phones.
Judy
On 14 Apr 2015, at 23:24, Diane Bomare  wrote:

> I have the Amazon Basics keyboard, and an Apple bluetooth keyboard. Here are 
> advantages of each.
> Amazon Keyboard
> :
> less expensive;
> on/off switch
> separate button for pairing;
> smaller than Apple keyboard, so keys are smaller and there is not a vertical 
> T for arrow keys;
> Most of the keys are the same size;
> Up/down arrow keys are sandwiched between left/right arrow keys;
> Uses AAA batteries;
> Made of plastic;
> Apple bluetooth keyboard
> Aluminum;
> Nice spacing between keys
> Inverted T for arrow keys
> Good responsiveness
> Difficult to know when keyboard is turned off, after using;
> Toggle button to turn keyboard on/off is flush with one end of the back of 
> keyboard. It has to be pushed in for several seconds, to toggle on/off. There 
> is no tactile/audio feedback to know when this status changes. Tapping a key 
> will let you know if it is still on, but I have had times when I thought it 
> was off, then try to use the virtual keyboard from another room, and it won't 
> come up because the BT keyboard is still on. The Amazon keyboard has a slide 
> switch on the bottom, abd ut us easy to know if it is on or off.
> 
> Both keyboards have a key to turn the virtual keyboard on and off, in case 
> you want to use both of them.
> The batteries last a long time in each, and are easily replaced.
> Both keyboards have the apostrophe/double quote key to the right of the 
> simicolon/colon key. 
> Each have function, control, option, command keys, in that order to the  left 
> of the space bar. To the right are the command and option keys.
> 
> I prefer typing on the Apple keyboard, because of its responsivemess, but it 
> probably isn't worth the difference in price.
> 
> Regarding the phone choice, I would suggest that you get a 5s, rather than a 
> 5. It is a 64-bit phone with the touch ID feature, a faster processor, and 
> will support future versions of IOS longer than an iPhone 5.
> Diane Bomar
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Re: [Mac-access]: Iphone 5 or 4S

[Judy Pryor]

Many thanks the cheaper keyboard sounds fine.
Judy
On 14 Apr 2015, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> I use the BT keyboard by Amazon Basics and it works well. It cost under 
> £20.00 UK compared to an Apple BT keyboard which can cost under £60.00 UK.
> 
> On 14/04/2015 09:26, Judy Pryor wrote:
>> thanks Christopher I am so glad I asked peoples opinions.  Do you have any 
>> thoughts about BT keyboards?
>> Judy
>> On 13 Apr 2015, at 19:53, Christopher Hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> If I was to upgrade, which I have no plans to do at this time, I would go 
>>> for the 5s at least, especially if the next major release of iOS is only 
>>> going to work on 64 bit devices.
>>> 
>>> On 13/04/2015 11:27, Judy Pryor wrote:
 I have been offered an iPhone 5 for £80 is it much better than my 4S. 
 Would it be better to find a 5S.   I also wondered which are the best BT 
 keyboards to work with an iPhone and I presume the problems with iOS
 8  etc have been sorted out.
 Judy
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Re: [Mac-access]: IOS 8.3: double and triple characters using BT keyboards

[Juanita Martin]

I had a problem with the keyboard stuttering before the update.  Since the 
update, the problem has gone away.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2015, at 9:04 PM, barbara jones  wrote:
> 
> Me too! John said to turn quick nav on and off and this does seem to help.
>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m experiencing it too.
>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Diane Bomare  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since upgrading to IOS 8.3, I have been having 
>>> even more trouble with bluetooth keyboards typing double and even triple 
>>> letters. Unpairing and re-pairing the keyboard does not fix the problem. 
>>> Only rebooting the phone fixes it, temporarily. This has happened 3 times 
>>> today, and several times during each of the previous days.
>>> 
>>> I called Apple Access about this yesterday, and they set up a case, saying 
>>> that engineering is tracking how many are having this issue. It happened on 
>>> occasion since IOS 8 release, but not as much as it is now. It can start in 
>>> the midst of writing an email, or when left paired for several hours 
>>> without being used.
>>> Are others experiencing this problem?
>>> Diane Bomar
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 16:24, Diane Bomare  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the Amazon Basics keyboard, and an Apple bluetooth keyboard. Here 
>>> are advantages of each.
>>> Amazon Keyboard
>>> :
>>> less expensive;
>>> on/off switch
>>> separate button for pairing;
>>> smaller than Apple keyboard, so keys are smaller and there is not a 
>>> vertical T for arrow keys;
>>> Most of the keys are the same size;
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You've missed the one obvious thing, LOL!  Clean your actual finger.  Make 
sure it has no opened cuts, etc.  I know that sounds really obvious, but 
trust me.  It can make a difference.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Hopewell" 

To: "mac-access" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S



Hello,
I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
running IOS 8.3.


TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 days 
and then the finger print is no longer recognised.


Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to 
make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry 
cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if they 
were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in some 
other way?


Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!

Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID 
on iPhone 6 reliable?


Best regards….

Paul Hopewell
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Juanita Martin]

I have never gotten the touch ID to work. I have come to the conclusion that my 
fingers are just too small to cover the entire area that it needs to scan.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 15, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> You've missed the one obvious thing, LOL!  Clean your actual finger.  Make 
> sure it has no opened cuts, etc.  I know that sounds really obvious, but 
> trust me.  It can make a difference.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 
> To: "mac-access" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
> Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
>> running IOS 8.3.
>> 
>> TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
>> unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 days 
>> and then the finger print is no longer recognised.
>> 
>> Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
>> during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to make 
>> touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry cloth and 
>> also tried registering the same finger several times as if they were all 
>> different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in some other way?
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!
>> 
>> Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID on 
>> iPhone 6 reliable?
>> 
>> Best regards….
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That is so weird, I'm not having this issue on either my personal IPhone 6 
Plus, or my work IPhone 5S.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S


Actually I'm having this issuew with the latest of ios 8.3. It will work 
for like 2 days then stop and i have to re-add my finger. I did not have 
this issue with ios 8.2.


Take care.
On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Paul Hopewell  
wrote:


Hello,
I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
running IOS 8.3.


TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 
days and then the finger print is no longer recognised.


Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to 
make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry 
cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if they 
were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in 
some other way?


Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!

Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID 
on iPhone 6 reliable?


Best regards….

Paul Hopewell
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Heck, if you have young  kids who'd need it, don't even waist your time 
buying the  electronic wipes... even just a standard baby wipe will do the 
trick.  Just, if you use one, make sure you only do it on your finger. 
Don't do it on the home button itself.  Especially not if the type you're 
using has lotion or aloe etc. in it, as that most likely will make it worse.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Stores, Mary A." 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S



Hello,

My touch ID is kind of finicky, and I have a 5S running on iOS 8.3 as 
well. However, it was finicky before I upgraded. Sometimes I have to try 
three or four times before it registers. I have these electronic wipes, 
though. The packets come with one wet cloth and one dry cloth. And ever 
since I got those, I don't have as much trouble unless my fingers are cold 
or I've only recently washed and dried them. You can see an example of 
these cloths are 
http://www.amazon.com/Advantus-Kleen-Screen-Cleaner-REARR1205/dp/B0017D3O20/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429033646&sr=8-1&keywords=electronic+wet+and+dry+wipes .


Mary


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hopewell

Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
To: mac-access
Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

Hello,
I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
running IOS 8.3.


TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 days 
and then the finger print is no longer recognised.


Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to 
make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry 
cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if they 
were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in some 
other way?


Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!

Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID 
on iPhone 6 reliable?


Best regards….

Paul Hopewell
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Stores, Mary A.]

Well, I personally recommend the wipes because after I use them on the iPhone, 
they make my iPhone feel like it just came out of the Apple packaging. Believe 
me, Christopher, I do have my reasons for recommending it. It sucks to read 
messages like how it's weird we are having problems with our iPhones when you 
don’t have any. And hey, don't waste your time on those wipes, either.

Mary


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:54 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

Heck, if you have young  kids who'd need it, don't even waist your time buying 
the  electronic wipes... even just a standard baby wipe will do the trick.  
Just, if you use one, make sure you only do it on your finger. 
Don't do it on the home button itself.  Especially not if the type you're using 
has lotion or aloe etc. in it, as that most likely will make it worse.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Stores, Mary A." 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S


> Hello,
>
> My touch ID is kind of finicky, and I have a 5S running on iOS 8.3 as 
> well. However, it was finicky before I upgraded. Sometimes I have to try 
> three or four times before it registers. I have these electronic wipes, 
> though. The packets come with one wet cloth and one dry cloth. And ever 
> since I got those, I don't have as much trouble unless my fingers are cold 
> or I've only recently washed and dried them. You can see an example of 
> these cloths are 
> http://www.amazon.com/Advantus-Kleen-Screen-Cleaner-REARR1205/dp/B0017D3O20/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429033646&sr=8-1&keywords=electronic+wet+and+dry+wipes
>  .
>
> Mary
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
> To: mac-access
> Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S
>
> Hello,
> I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
> running IOS 8.3.
>
> TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
> unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 days 
> and then the finger print is no longer recognised.
>
> Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
> during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to 
> make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry 
> cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if they 
> were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in some 
> other way?
>
> Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!
>
> Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID 
> on iPhone 6 reliable?
>
> Best regards….
>
> Paul Hopewell
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That shouldn't most likely be the case.  It doesn't take much to scan it. 
Are you using the pad of your finger or your finger tip?  If your finger 
tip, then there's you're problem right there.  It needs to be the entire 
soft pad of the finger.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Juanita Martin" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S


I have never gotten the touch ID to work. I have come to the conclusion 
that my fingers are just too small to cover the entire area that it needs 
to scan.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


You've missed the one obvious thing, LOL!  Clean your actual finger. 
Make sure it has no opened cuts, etc.  I know that sounds really obvious, 
but trust me.  It can make a difference.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 


To: "mac-access" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S



Hello,
I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
running IOS 8.3.


TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 
days and then the finger print is no longer recognised.


Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to 
make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry 
cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if 
they were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button 
in some other way?


Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!

Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID 
on iPhone 6 reliable?


Best regards….

Paul Hopewell
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Mary, there is no need to get defensive.  I didn't say that they wouldn't 
work.  I just said there is no reason to buy them if you already have other 
resources.  I wasn't dismissing your suggestion, and if you took it that 
way, then you definitely read between the lines.  That was so! not what I 
was trying to say.  I'm sorry that you took it that way.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Stores, Mary A." 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S


Well, I personally recommend the wipes because after I use them on the 
iPhone, they make my iPhone feel like it just came out of the Apple 
packaging. Believe me, Christopher, I do have my reasons for recommending 
it. It sucks to read messages like how it's weird we are having problems 
with our iPhones when you don’t have any. And hey, don't waste your time 
on those wipes, either.


Mary


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:54 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

Heck, if you have young  kids who'd need it, don't even waist your time 
buying the  electronic wipes... even just a standard baby wipe will do the 
trick.  Just, if you use one, make sure you only do it on your finger.
Don't do it on the home button itself.  Especially not if the type you're 
using has lotion or aloe etc. in it, as that most likely will make it 
worse.


Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Stores, Mary A." 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S



Hello,

My touch ID is kind of finicky, and I have a 5S running on iOS 8.3 as
well. However, it was finicky before I upgraded. Sometimes I have to try
three or four times before it registers. I have these electronic wipes,
though. The packets come with one wet cloth and one dry cloth. And ever
since I got those, I don't have as much trouble unless my fingers are 
cold

or I've only recently washed and dried them. You can see an example of
these cloths are
http://www.amazon.com/Advantus-Kleen-Screen-Cleaner-REARR1205/dp/B0017D3O20/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1429033646&sr=8-1&keywords=electronic+wet+and+dry+wipes
 .

Mary


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
To: mac-access
Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

Hello,
I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently
running IOS 8.3.

TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now
unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 
days

and then the finger print is no longer recognised.

Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs
during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to
make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry
cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if they
were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in 
some

other way?

Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!

Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID
on iPhone 6 reliable?

Best regards….

Paul Hopewell
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[Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all,
some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad 
has allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small 
media streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to 
stream anything from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV 
shows and movies either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from 
a service like Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio 
description. The device costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply 
especially if you subscribe to services like Netflix which is 
£6.00/month UK. The second product to be considered is the Apple Watch. 
Dad is hinting I can do allsorts from my writs without getting my phone 
out of my pocket. But like I told him it is only compatible with the 
iPhone 5 and later so this will definitely be a future purchase whereas 
the Apple TV is a near future purchase. He sounds really excited that 
they both talk. If anyone has an Apple TV please tell me what you think 
of it. Thank you in advance! Both products were discussed during our 
pints this afternoon.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[william lomas]

well net flicks now has audio description 
i am going to see the apple watch next week

> On Apr 15, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad has 
> allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small media 
> streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream anything 
> from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and movies 
> either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service like 
> Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. The device 
> costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you subscribe to 
> services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second product to be 
> considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do allsorts from my writs 
> without getting my phone out of my pocket. But like I told him it is only 
> compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this will definitely be a future 
> purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near future purchase. He sounds really 
> excited that they both talk. If anyone has an Apple TV please tell me what 
> you think of it. Thank you in advance! Both products were discussed during 
> our pints this afternoon.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Juanita Martin]

Actually, I was using my thumb and VO kept saying reposition your finger.  
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> That shouldn't most likely be the case.  It doesn't take much to scan it. Are 
> you using the pad of your finger or your finger tip?  If your finger tip, 
> then there's you're problem right there.  It needs to be the entire soft pad 
> of the finger.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Juanita Martin" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S
> 
> 
>> I have never gotten the touch ID to work. I have come to the conclusion that 
>> my fingers are just too small to cover the entire area that it needs to scan.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You've missed the one obvious thing, LOL!  Clean your actual finger. Make 
>>> sure it has no opened cuts, etc.  I know that sounds really obvious, but 
>>> trust me.  It can make a difference.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 
>>> 
>>> To: "mac-access" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
>>> Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S
>>> 
>>> 
 Hello,
 I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
 running IOS 8.3.
 
 TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
 unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 days 
 and then the finger print is no longer recognised.
 
 Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
 during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to 
 make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry 
 cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if they 
 were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in some 
 other way?
 
 Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!
 
 Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID 
 on iPhone 6 reliable?
 
 Best regards….
 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S

[Sarah k Alawami]

Actually for me it works for a few days if I readd my finger, then it quits 
very suddenly . I really thin  think it's an ios 8 bug of some kind. and my  
hands are very very clean.


Take care.
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Juanita Martin  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, I was using my thumb and VO kept saying reposition your finger.  
>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That shouldn't most likely be the case.  It doesn't take much to scan it. 
>> Are you using the pad of your finger or your finger tip?  If your finger 
>> tip, then there's you're problem right there.  It needs to be the entire 
>> soft pad of the finger.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Juanita Martin" 
>> 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S
>> 
>> 
>>> I have never gotten the touch ID to work. I have come to the conclusion 
>>> that my fingers are just too small to cover the entire area that it needs 
>>> to scan.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 15, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 You've missed the one obvious thing, LOL!  Clean your actual finger. Make 
 sure it has no opened cuts, etc.  I know that sounds really obvious, but 
 trust me.  It can make a difference.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 
 
 To: "mac-access" 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:29 PM
 Subject: [Mac-access]: Problems with touchID on iPhone 5S
 
 
> Hello,
> I have an iPhone 5S which is about 6 months old and which is currently 
> running IOS 8.3.
> 
> TouchID worked well for the first 4 months or so, but alas is now 
> unreliable. If I register a new fingerprint it works fine for about 2 
> days and then the finger print is no longer recognised.
> 
> Do any listers have tips on the best way to position fingers or thumbs 
> during the initial fingerprint registration or any other tips on how to 
> make touchID reliable. I have tried cleaning the home button with a dry 
> cloth and also tried registering the same finger several times as if they 
> were all different fingers. Would it help to clean the home button in 
> some other way?
> 
> Many thanks for any tips. TouchID is great while it works!
> 
> Do any other listers have problems with TouchID on iPhone 5S? Is TouchID 
> on iPhone 6 reliable?
> 
> Best regards….
> 
> Paul Hopewell
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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Sarah k Alawami]

Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england.  Just 
letting you know.

Take care. 
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad has 
> allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small media 
> streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream anything 
> from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and movies 
> either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service like 
> Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. The device 
> costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you subscribe to 
> services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second product to be 
> considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do allsorts from my writs 
> without getting my phone out of my pocket. But like I told him it is only 
> compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this will definitely be a future 
> purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near future purchase. He sounds really 
> excited that they both talk. If anyone has an Apple TV please tell me what 
> you think of it. Thank you in advance! Both products were discussed during 
> our pints this afternoon.
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Re: [Mac-access]: IOS 8.3: double and triple characters using BT keyboards

[Diane Bomare]

Turning quick nav on/off is not helping me, at all. Even unpairing and 
re-pairing does not help. Only rebooting the phone helps. Definitely not a 
keyboard problem, as it happens with both of my BT keyboards, Apple and Amazon 
basic. I don't know what triggers it, as sometimes it starts when the keyboard 
is first turned on, sometimes after it has been connected but not used for 
several hours, and, most annoyingly, in the middle of writing.

This problem was intermittent under 8.2, but happens several times a day, under 
8.3. 

I hate inconsistent problems! Some of us have it, and others don't. Also, this 
has happened whether my phone is charging or not.

Diane Bomar
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 14, 2015, at 20:04, barbara jones  wrote:

Me too! John said to turn quick nav on and off and this does seem to help.
> On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I’m experiencing it too.
>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Diane Bomare  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Since upgrading to IOS 8.3, I have been having 
>> even more trouble with bluetooth keyboards typing double and even triple 
>> letters. Unpairing and re-pairing the keyboard does not fix the problem. 
>> Only rebooting the phone fixes it, temporarily. This has happened 3 times 
>> today, and several times during each of the previous days.
>> 
>> I called Apple Access about this yesterday, and they set up a case, saying 
>> that engineering is tracking how many are having this issue. It happened on 
>> occasion since IOS 8 release, but not as much as it is now. It can start in 
>> the midst of writing an email, or when left paired for several hours without 
>> being used.
>> Are others experiencing this problem?
>> Diane Bomar
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 16:24, Diane Bomare  wrote:
>> 
>> I have the Amazon Basics keyboard, and an Apple bluetooth keyboard. Here are 
>> advantages of each.
>> Amazon Keyboard
>> :
>> less expensive;
>> on/off switch
>> separate button for pairing;
>> smaller than Apple keyboard, so keys are smaller and there is not a vertical 
>> T for arrow keys;
>> Most of the keys are the same size;
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Re: [Mac-access]: IOS BT keyboards was re:: Iphone 5 or 4S

[Diane Bomare]

If you are asking about the Apple BT keyboard, it is the top rightmost key. It 
toggles between the virtual keyboard on/off.
The key location is different on some other BT keyboards. On the Amazon Basics 
keyboard, it is the key to the left of the rightmost key on the top row.Diane 
Bomar
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 14, 2015, at 23:51, Eleanor burke  wrote:

where is the key that turns on and off the virtual keyboard on the bluetooth 
keyboard for use with the iphone? 



> On 14 Apr 2015, at 23:24, Diane Bomare  wrote:
> 
> I have the Amazon Basics keyboard, and an Apple bluetooth keyboard. Here are 
> advantages of each.
> Amazon Keyboard
> :
> less expensive;
> on/off switch
> separate button for pairing;
> smaller than Apple keyboard, so keys are smaller and there is not a vertical 
> T for arrow keys;
> Most of the keys are the same size;
> Up/down arrow keys are sandwiched between left/right arrow keys;
> Uses AAA batteries;
> Made of plastic;
> Apple bluetooth keyboard
> Aluminum;
> Nice spacing between keys
> Inverted T for arrow keys
> Good responsiveness
> Difficult to know when keyboard is turned off, after using;
> Toggle button to turn keyboard on/off is flush with one end of the back of 
> keyboard. It has to be pushed in for several seconds, to toggle on/off. There 
> is no tactile/audio feedback to know when this status changes. Tapping a key 
> will let you know if it is still on, but I have had times when I thought it 
> was off, then try to use the virtual keyboard from another room, and it won't 
> come up because the BT keyboard is still on. The Amazon keyboard has a slide 
> switch on the bottom, abd ut us easy to know if it is on or off.
> 
> Both keyboards have a key to turn the virtual keyboard on and off, in case 
> you want to use both of them.
> The batteries last a long time in each, and are easily replaced.
> Both keyboards have the apostrophe/double quote key to the right of the 
> simicolon/colon key. 
> Each have function, control, option, command keys, in that order to the  left 
> of the space bar. To the right are the command and option keys.
> 
> I prefer typing on the Apple keyboard, because of its responsivemess, but it 
> probably isn't worth the difference in price.
> 
> Regarding the phone choice, I would suggest that you get a 5s, rather than a 
> 5. It is a 64-bit phone with the touch ID feature, a faster processor, and 
> will support future versions of IOS longer than an iPhone 5.
> Diane Bomar
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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Diane Bomare]

The current AppleTV model has been out for a few years, and a new one is 
expected to be released in late June or early July. No doubt, it will be more 
expensive, but it may have features that you can't live without, or make the 
current model drop even more.

I love my AppleTV, and have it connected via an optical cable to my stereo 
system. It is easy to use it with its remote or via the iPhone. There is no 
reason to have it connected to a television, if you cannot see the screen. 
VoiceOver is on by default, but, is difficult to turn on, if it is turned off 
at the beginning. At least, without sight, it is difficult to get it back, if 
it is bypassed at the beginning.  Diane Bomar
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2015, at 13:00, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england.  Just 
letting you know.

Take care. 
> On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad has 
> allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small media 
> streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream anything 
> from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and movies 
> either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service like 
> Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. The device 
> costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you subscribe to 
> services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second product to be 
> considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do allsorts from my writs 
> without getting my phone out of my pocket. But like I told him it is only 
> compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this will definitely be a future 
> purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near future purchase. He sounds really 
> excited that they both talk. If anyone has an Apple TV please tell me what 
> you think of it. Thank you in advance! Both products were discussed during 
> our pints this afternoon.
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[Mac-access]: Touch ID was: Re: IOS BT keyboards was re:: Iphone 5 or 4S

[Diane Bomare]

You don't have to set it up, but, it is certainly easier than typing in 
passcode and/or password. 
It is pretty easy to set up, and it is normal for it to ask you to reposition 
your finger during setup. It wants an image of various ways you may touch the 
home button.
You can set up to 5 fingerprints, and edit the names of each.
Diane Bomar
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2015, at 02:40, Judy Pryor  wrote:

thank you so much for all that info it has been a great help.  Talking about 
the fingertip touch ID on iPhone 5s is it possible to turn that feature off so 
you can just use the Home button as in the older phones.
Judy
> On 14 Apr 2015, at 23:24, Diane Bomare  wrote:
> 
> I have the Amazon Basics keyboard, and an Apple bluetooth keyboard. Here are 
> advantages of each.
> Amazon Keyboard
> :
> less expensive;
> on/off switch
> separate button for pairing;
> smaller than Apple keyboard, so keys are smaller and there is not a vertical 
> T for arrow keys;
> Most of the keys are the same size;
> Up/down arrow keys are sandwiched between left/right arrow keys;
> Uses AAA batteries;
> Made of plastic;
> Apple bluetooth keyboard
> Aluminum;
> Nice spacing between keys
> Inverted T for arrow keys
> Good responsiveness
> Difficult to know when keyboard is turned off, after using;
> Toggle button to turn keyboard on/off is flush with one end of the back of 
> keyboard. It has to be pushed in for several seconds, to toggle on/off. There 
> is no tactile/audio feedback to know when this status changes. Tapping a key 
> will let you know if it is still on, but I have had times when I thought it 
> was off, then try to use the virtual keyboard from another room, and it won't 
> come up because the BT keyboard is still on. The Amazon keyboard has a slide 
> switch on the bottom, abd ut us easy to know if it is on or off.
> 
> Both keyboards have a key to turn the virtual keyboard on and off, in case 
> you want to use both of them.
> The batteries last a long time in each, and are easily replaced.
> Both keyboards have the apostrophe/double quote key to the right of the 
> simicolon/colon key. 
> Each have function, control, option, command keys, in that order to the  left 
> of the space bar. To the right are the command and option keys.
> 
> I prefer typing on the Apple keyboard, because of its responsivemess, but it 
> probably isn't worth the difference in price.
> 
> Regarding the phone choice, I would suggest that you get a 5s, rather than a 
> 5. It is a 64-bit phone with the touch ID feature, a faster processor, and 
> will support future versions of IOS longer than an iPhone 5.
> Diane Bomar
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Re: [Mac-access]: IOS 8.3: double and triple characters using BT keyboards

[barbara jones]

Sorry it is not helping. I don’t know how to help, sorry.
I’m having an issue with FB so that I can’t read comments or share or a half 
dozen other things and this upgrade did not help nor did the FB upgrade. Apple 
says it’s a VO problem on FB’s end. I’ve reported but no changes!

It’s all so frustrating when things don’t work as expected.
Barbara

On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:45 PM, Diane Bomare  wrote:

> Turning quick nav on/off is not helping me, at all. Even unpairing and 
> re-pairing does not help. Only rebooting the phone helps. Definitely not a 
> keyboard problem, as it happens with both of my BT keyboards, Apple and 
> Amazon basic. I don't know what triggers it, as sometimes it starts when the 
> keyboard is first turned on, sometimes after it has been connected but not 
> used for several hours, and, most annoyingly, in the middle of writing.
> 
> This problem was intermittent under 8.2, but happens several times a day, 
> under 8.3. 
> 
> I hate inconsistent problems! Some of us have it, and others don't. Also, 
> this has happened whether my phone is charging or not.
> 
> Diane Bomar
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 14, 2015, at 20:04, barbara jones  wrote:
> 
> Me too! John said to turn quick nav on and off and this does seem to help.
>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m experiencing it too.
>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Diane Bomare  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since upgrading to IOS 8.3, I have been having 
>>> even more trouble with bluetooth keyboards typing double and even triple 
>>> letters. Unpairing and re-pairing the keyboard does not fix the problem. 
>>> Only rebooting the phone fixes it, temporarily. This has happened 3 times 
>>> today, and several times during each of the previous days.
>>> 
>>> I called Apple Access about this yesterday, and they set up a case, saying 
>>> that engineering is tracking how many are having this issue. It happened on 
>>> occasion since IOS 8 release, but not as much as it is now. It can start in 
>>> the midst of writing an email, or when left paired for several hours 
>>> without being used.
>>> Are others experiencing this problem?
>>> Diane Bomar
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2015, at 16:24, Diane Bomare  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the Amazon Basics keyboard, and an Apple bluetooth keyboard. Here 
>>> are advantages of each.
>>> Amazon Keyboard
>>> :
>>> less expensive;
>>> on/off switch
>>> separate button for pairing;
>>> smaller than Apple keyboard, so keys are smaller and there is not a 
>>> vertical T for arrow keys;
>>> Most of the keys are the same size;
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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Leo Bissonnette]

Hi,

As a follow up on the Apple TV and NetFlicks, can anyone confirm its 
availability in Canada….

David Woodbridge did a great tutorial on AppleVis today and I followed it 
through. Sadly—unless I missed a step in his instructions, I have the feeling 
that Canada is not making audio descriptions available…. Would, as I say, 
really want to confirm this.

Leo


> On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england.  
> Just letting you know.
> 
> Take care. 
>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad has 
>> allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small media 
>> streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream anything 
>> from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and movies 
>> either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service like 
>> Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. The device 
>> costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you subscribe to 
>> services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second product to be 
>> considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do allsorts from my 
>> writs without getting my phone out of my pocket. But like I told him it is 
>> only compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this will definitely be a 
>> future purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near future purchase. He sounds 
>> really excited that they both talk. If anyone has an Apple TV please tell me 
>> what you think of it. Thank you in advance! Both products were discussed 
>> during our pints this afternoon.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I would hurt! anyone who touches my Apple TV.  LOL!  Just kidding. 
Seriously though, I have mine going through my high def Yamaha 5.1 surround 
sound receiver, and God do I love it!  Probably one of the best investments 
I've ever made!  I can't wait! to hear what Apple does with the new Apple 
TV.  Do we even have rumor speculations of some of the improvements, even if 
they are not really official?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Diane Bomare" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news




The current AppleTV model has been out for a few years, and a new one is 
expected to be released in late June or early July. No doubt, it will be 
more expensive, but it may have features that you can't live without, or 
make the current model drop even more.


I love my AppleTV, and have it connected via an optical cable to my stereo 
system. It is easy to use it with its remote or via the iPhone. There is 
no reason to have it connected to a television, if you cannot see the 
screen. VoiceOver is on by default, but, is difficult to turn on, if it is 
turned off at the beginning. At least, without sight, it is difficult to 
get it back, if it is bypassed at the beginning.  Diane Bomar

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 15, 2015, at 13:00, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england. 
Just letting you know.


Take care.
On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 wrote:


Hi all,
some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad 
has allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small 
media streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream 
anything from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and 
movies either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service 
like Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. 
The device costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you 
subscribe to services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second 
product to be considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do 
allsorts from my writs without getting my phone out of my pocket. But 
like I told him it is only compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this 
will definitely be a future purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near 
future purchase. He sounds really excited that they both talk. If anyone 
has an Apple TV please tell me what you think of it. Thank you in 
advance! Both products were discussed during our pints this afternoon.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wuh huhho!  Now that! is something I didn't know!  Is that for the 3rd gen? 
God! if it's that cheap, I'm buying my friend Ben one next month!  He's 
still got the 2nd gen.


Chris.

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To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news


Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england. 
Just letting you know.


Take care.
On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 wrote:


Hi all,
some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad 
has allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small 
media streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream 
anything from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and 
movies either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service 
like Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. 
The device costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you 
subscribe to services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second 
product to be considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do 
allsorts from my writs without getting my phone out of my pocket. But 
like I told him it is only compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this 
will definitely be a future purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near 
future purchase. He sounds really excited that they both talk. If anyone 
has an Apple TV please tell me what you think of it. Thank you in 
advance! Both products were discussed during our pints this afternoon.

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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I've not heard the podcast.  What exactly did he demonstrate?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Leo Bissonnette" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news



Hi,

As a follow up on the Apple TV and NetFlicks, can anyone confirm its 
availability in Canada….


David Woodbridge did a great tutorial on AppleVis today and I followed it 
through. Sadly—unless I missed a step in his instructions, I have the 
feeling that Canada is not making audio descriptions available…. Would, as 
I say, really want to confirm this.


Leo



On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england. 
Just letting you know.


Take care.
On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 wrote:


Hi all,
some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad 
has allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small 
media streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to 
stream anything from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV 
shows and movies either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from 
a service like Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio 
description. The device costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply 
especially if you subscribe to services like Netflix which is 
£6.00/month UK. The second product to be considered is the Apple Watch. 
Dad is hinting I can do allsorts from my writs without getting my phone 
out of my pocket. But like I told him it is only compatible with the 
iPhone 5 and later so this will definitely be a future purchase whereas 
the Apple TV is a near future purchase. He sounds really excited that 
they both talk. If anyone has an Apple TV please tell me what you think 
of it. Thank you in advance! Both products were discussed during our 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Sean Murphy]

Apple TV has been accessible for ages. 

How do you verify if Netflix has audio describe on it?

Sean 
> On 16 Apr 2015, at 7:49 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I've not heard the podcast.  What exactly did he demonstrate?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Leo Bissonnette" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As a follow up on the Apple TV and NetFlicks, can anyone confirm its 
>> availability in Canada….
>> 
>> David Woodbridge did a great tutorial on AppleVis today and I followed it 
>> through. Sadly—unless I missed a step in his instructions, I have the 
>> feeling that Canada is not making audio descriptions available…. Would, as I 
>> say, really want to confirm this.
>> 
>> Leo
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england. 
>>> Just letting you know.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
 On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad 
 has allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small 
 media streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream 
 anything from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and 
 movies either purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service 
 like Netflix which as of yesterday is now providing audio description. The 
 device costs £99.00 UK but extra charges may apply especially if you 
 subscribe to services like Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second 
 product to be considered is the Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do 
 allsorts from my writs without getting my phone out of my pocket. But like 
 I told him it is only compatible with the iPhone 5 and later so this will 
 definitely be a future purchase whereas the Apple TV is a near future 
 purchase. He sounds really excited that they both talk. If anyone has an 
 Apple TV please tell me what you think of it. Thank you in advance! Both 
 products were discussed during our pints this afternoon.
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Re: [Mac-access]: reliable braille translation software.

[Travis Siegel]

This depends on how much work you want to do when formatting your output.
nfbtrans does what I need quite nicely, and I've never used anything else for 
my braille translation needs, and I've used it on dos, linux, osx, and even 
compiled a version for bsd (although I never used it).
It's not as automatic as something like duxbury, but if you're willing to spend 
the time to do your own formatting, it can easily be used for commercial 
quality production.
And, the fact that it's free doesn't hurt either.

On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

> Hi Folks:
> 
> 
> 
> Is there a good relyable Braille translation software package out there for
> the mac?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks all over the place gang.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news

[Dane Trethowan]

A simple Google search verifies the statement regarding Netflix though 
it would appear that Audio Description is restricted to the U.S. and 
Canada at this point.




On 16/04/2015 7:55 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:

Apple TV has been accessible for ages.

How do you verify if Netflix has audio describe on it?

Sean

On 16 Apr 2015, at 7:49 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

I've not heard the podcast.  What exactly did he demonstrate?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Leo Bissonnette" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Some Apple news



Hi,

As a follow up on the Apple TV and NetFlicks, can anyone confirm its 
availability in Canada….

David Woodbridge did a great tutorial on AppleVis today and I followed it 
through. Sadly—unless I missed a step in his instructions, I have the feeling 
that Canada is not making audio descriptions available…. Would, as I say, 
really want to confirm this.

Leo



On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Actually the apple tv now cost $69 us. That might be cheaper in england. Just 
letting you know.

Take care.

On Apr 15, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi all,
some Apple news. Some products will be purchased in the future which dad has 
allowed me to consider. The first is an Apple TV which is a small media 
streaming box that is connected to your TV and allows you to stream anything 
from media stored in iTunes either for PC or Mac to TV shows and movies either 
purchased from the iTunes Store or streamed from a service like Netflix which 
as of yesterday is now providing audio description. The device costs £99.00 UK 
but extra charges may apply especially if you subscribe to services like 
Netflix which is £6.00/month UK. The second product to be considered is the 
Apple Watch. Dad is hinting I can do allsorts from my writs without getting my 
phone out of my pocket. But like I told him it is only compatible with the 
iPhone 5 and later so this will definitely be a future purchase whereas the 
Apple TV is a near future purchase. He sounds really excited that they both 
talk. If anyone has an Apple TV please tell me what you think of it. Thank you 
in advance! Both products were discussed during our pints this afternoon.
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