Re: [Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Phil,

That’s right. I’m not sure they mention it in the tutorial but it’s possible to 
move the various sections around in the binder (that is, the sidebar which 
lists your various sections and sub-sections) using only the keyboard. Using 
the arrow keys together with command and control to be exact. This is one of my 
favourite features. The outline view is also a good one for VoiceOver.

My other favourite feature is that you can link to other sections within your 
Scrivener document. So you can cross reference another section of your paper, 
and if you later change the name of those sections, the corresponding 
references will update accordingly.

AS for tables, I haven’t tried them. I use Scrivener just for researching, 
making notes, organising text and writing my first draft. I use Pages and or 
Numbers for formatting, page layout and creating tables etc. I actually suspect 
that tables won’t work so well in Scrivener. But I have Numbers for that anyway.

for others that asked, its about $35 US I think. There’s often discounts on 
MacUpdate.com. They also offer a pretty generous demo version from their 
website.
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Re: [Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

How much is it then?
- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Halton" 

To: "Mac Access iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages


Nick,

I just downloaded and spendt an hour or so going through the free version of 
scrivener and its getting started tutorial.
Yep! it does look like a great app for serious, complex writing projects. 
And, it looks to be highly accessible with VO - one of those really VO 
friendly apps that are all too infrequent.
Unfortunately, I just don’t need that kind of power for my little writing 
projects and can’t justify the cost. BTW: how well does it handle tables? I’ll 
bet it’s great there too.
Pages does kind of fall short in a lot of areas - at least for me it does. 
That’s why I keep windows w/office 2010 in good order. there are very few 
Mac apps that I’ve come across that can compete with Word for word 
processing.



On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Actually what I did was I counted lines. I had 50 lines to select so I 
turned off voice over, selected 50 lines, hit cmd c, turned on voice over 
and moved the suction successfully.


Actually I hit cmd X but you get the idea.
On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
 wrote:


Hi Sarah,

Unfortunately I don’t think Pages is a good tool for what you want to do. 
I know of no way to do that in Pages apart from copying a paragraph or 
two at a time.


That’s why for that kind of writing I prefer to use Scrivener. It’s 
designed for just that type of thing. It’s great for writing theses or 
any long writing project. It’s means of re-ordering and restructuring 
documents works really well with VoiceOver.


Scrivener have a free trial which you might use to accomplish what you 
want. Even if it’s a bit too late for Scrivener this time, however, you 
should definitely check it out for your next writing project.


On 4 Jan 2014, at 3:04 pm, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Hello to all. I finally got the section figured out. I want to now take a 
section and paste it.  someware else. I cannot find a way to do this 
neatly as the selection bug still exists. I have confirmed this is a 
voice over bug  as I selected about 2-3 pages with voice over off. Ihave 
since written to apple about this wiht no results.


I need to move 2 pages  to near the top of my thesis.  so it flows better 
before I continue it. What is the easiest way to do this with out pulling 
out my hair.


I want this to look good, and it's nearly there content wise. lol!

Take care.
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Re: [Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages

[Sarah k Alawami]

Yeah as stated I got it to work. I just had to count lines. It worked like a 
charm and the section now looks beautiful. As you all can see, I'm very 
patient. lol!  and I did it all with out the use  of voice over and sighted 
help which I guess is a good thing. lol!
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Nick,
> 
> I just downloaded and spendt an hour or so going through the free version of 
> scrivener and its getting started tutorial.
> Yep! it does look like a great app for serious, complex writing projects. 
> And, it looks to be highly accessible with VO - one of those really VO 
> friendly apps that are all too infrequent.
> Unfortunately, I just don’t need that kind of power for my little writing 
> projects and can’t justify the cost. BTW: how well does it handle tables? 
> I’ll bet it’s great there too.
> Pages does kind of fall short in a lot of areas - at least for me it does. 
> That’s why I keep windows w/office 2010 in good order. there are very few Mac 
> apps that I’ve come across that can compete with Word for word processing.
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> Actually what I did was I counted lines. I had 50 lines to select so I 
>> turned off voice over, selected 50 lines, hit cmd c, turned on voice over 
>> and moved the suction successfully.
>> 
>> Actually I hit cmd X but you get the idea.
>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarah,
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately I don’t think Pages is a good tool for what you want to do. I 
>>> know of no way to do that in Pages apart from copying a paragraph or two at 
>>> a time.
>>> 
>>> That’s why for that kind of writing I prefer to use Scrivener. It’s 
>>> designed for just that type of thing. It’s great for writing theses or any 
>>> long writing project. It’s means of re-ordering and restructuring documents 
>>> works really well with VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Scrivener have a free trial which you might use to accomplish what you 
>>> want. Even if it’s a bit too late for Scrivener this time, however, you 
>>> should definitely check it out for your next writing project.
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jan 2014, at 3:04 pm, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello to all. I finally got the section figured out. I want to now take a 
>>> section and paste it.  someware else. I cannot find a way to do this neatly 
>>> as the selection bug still exists. I have confirmed this is a voice over 
>>> bug  as I selected about 2-3 pages with voice over off. Ihave since written 
>>> to apple about this wiht no results.
>>> 
>>> I need to move 2 pages  to near the top of my thesis.  so it flows better 
>>> before I continue it. What is the easiest way to do this with out pulling 
>>> out my hair. 
>>> 
>>> I want this to look good, and it's nearly there content wise. lol!
>>> 
>>> Take care. 
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Re: [Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages

[Phil Halton]

Nick,

I just downloaded and spendt an hour or so going through the free version of 
scrivener and its getting started tutorial.
Yep! it does look like a great app for serious, complex writing projects. And, 
it looks to be highly accessible with VO - one of those really VO friendly apps 
that are all too infrequent.
Unfortunately, I just don’t need that kind of power for my little writing 
projects and can’t justify the cost. BTW: how well does it handle tables? I’ll 
bet it’s great there too.
Pages does kind of fall short in a lot of areas - at least for me it does. 
That’s why I keep windows w/office 2010 in good order. there are very few Mac 
apps that I’ve come across that can compete with Word for word processing.
 

On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Actually what I did was I counted lines. I had 50 lines to select so I turned 
> off voice over, selected 50 lines, hit cmd c, turned on voice over and moved 
> the suction successfully.
> 
> Actually I hit cmd X but you get the idea.
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sarah,
>> 
>> Unfortunately I don’t think Pages is a good tool for what you want to do. I 
>> know of no way to do that in Pages apart from copying a paragraph or two at 
>> a time.
>> 
>> That’s why for that kind of writing I prefer to use Scrivener. It’s designed 
>> for just that type of thing. It’s great for writing theses or any long 
>> writing project. It’s means of re-ordering and restructuring documents works 
>> really well with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Scrivener have a free trial which you might use to accomplish what you want. 
>> Even if it’s a bit too late for Scrivener this time, however, you should 
>> definitely check it out for your next writing project.
>> 
>> On 4 Jan 2014, at 3:04 pm, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello to all. I finally got the section figured out. I want to now take a 
>> section and paste it.  someware else. I cannot find a way to do this neatly 
>> as the selection bug still exists. I have confirmed this is a voice over bug 
>>  as I selected about 2-3 pages with voice over off. Ihave since written to 
>> apple about this wiht no results.
>> 
>> I need to move 2 pages  to near the top of my thesis.  so it flows better 
>> before I continue it. What is the easiest way to do this with out pulling 
>> out my hair. 
>> 
>> I want this to look good, and it's nearly there content wise. lol!
>> 
>> Take care. 
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Re: [Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages

[Sarah k Alawami]

Actually what I did was I counted lines. I had 50 lines to select so I turned 
off voice over, selected 50 lines, hit cmd c, turned on voice over and moved 
the suction successfully.

Actually I hit cmd X but you get the idea.
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sarah,
> 
> Unfortunately I don’t think Pages is a good tool for what you want to do. I 
> know of no way to do that in Pages apart from copying a paragraph or two at a 
> time.
> 
> That’s why for that kind of writing I prefer to use Scrivener. It’s designed 
> for just that type of thing. It’s great for writing theses or any long 
> writing project. It’s means of re-ordering and restructuring documents works 
> really well with VoiceOver.
> 
> Scrivener have a free trial which you might use to accomplish what you want. 
> Even if it’s a bit too late for Scrivener this time, however, you should 
> definitely check it out for your next writing project.
> 
> On 4 Jan 2014, at 3:04 pm, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> Hello to all. I finally got the section figured out. I want to now take a 
> section and paste it.  someware else. I cannot find a way to do this neatly 
> as the selection bug still exists. I have confirmed this is a voice over bug  
> as I selected about 2-3 pages with voice over off. Ihave since written to 
> apple about this wiht no results.
> 
> I need to move 2 pages  to near the top of my thesis.  so it flows better 
> before I continue it. What is the easiest way to do this with out pulling out 
> my hair. 
> 
> I want this to look good, and it's nearly there content wise. lol!
> 
> Take care. 
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Re: [Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Sarah,

Unfortunately I don’t think Pages is a good tool for what you want to do. I 
know of no way to do that in Pages apart from copying a paragraph or two at a 
time.

That’s why for that kind of writing I prefer to use Scrivener. It’s designed 
for just that type of thing. It’s great for writing theses or any long writing 
project. It’s means of re-ordering and restructuring documents works really 
well with VoiceOver.

Scrivener have a free trial which you might use to accomplish what you want. 
Even if it’s a bit too late for Scrivener this time, however, you should 
definitely check it out for your next writing project.

On 4 Jan 2014, at 3:04 pm, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Hello to all. I finally got the section figured out. I want to now take a 
section and paste it.  someware else. I cannot find a way to do this neatly as 
the selection bug still exists. I have confirmed this is a voice over bug  as I 
selected about 2-3 pages with voice over off. Ihave since written to apple 
about this wiht no results.

I need to move 2 pages  to near the top of my thesis.  so it flows better 
before I continue it. What is the easiest way to do this with out pulling out 
my hair. 

I want this to look good, and it's nearly there content wise. lol!

Take care. 
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[Mac-access]: rearanging sections in the latest pages

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hello to all. I finally got the section figured out. I want to now take a 
section and paste it.  someware else. I cannot find a way to do this neatly as 
the selection bug still exists. I have confirmed this is a voice over bug  as I 
selected about 2-3 pages with voice over off. Ihave since written to apple 
about this wiht no results.

I need to move 2 pages  to near the top of my thesis.  so it flows better 
before I continue it. What is the easiest way to do this with out pulling out 
my hair. 

I want this to look good, and it's nearly there content wise. lol!

Take care. 
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