Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
I don’t know what you consider accessibility with Flash, but it is actually Adobe’s problem. They were gong to try to make Flash much more accessible at one point, but I think they abandoned that option. At this point, as the move to HTML5 is continuing, I doubt you are going to see anything happen with Flash accessibility. As far as I know, no screen reader handles flash well at all. Sometimes, if the developer is using the later versions of Flash with Text tags, you might find some success, but with JFW, Window-Eyes, System Access and VoiceOver, I have found Flash to be nothing less than a waste of time. Apple had good reason to not support it on iDevices. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Please disregard the below message. I started to write it, but people had responded before I finished it and I thought it was scrapped. However, in restarting mail, the system seemed to send two messages that I thought were deleted, but apparently were not and were somehow in my outbox. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:27 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: I don’t know what you consider accessibility with Flash, but it is actually Adobe’s problem. They were gong to try to make Flash much more accessible at one point, but I think they abandoned that option. At this point, as the move to HTML5 is continuing, I doubt you are going to see anything happen with Flash accessibility. As far as I know, no screen reader handles flash well at all. Sometimes, if the developer is using the later versions of Flash with Text tags, you might find some success, but with JFW, Window-Eyes, System Access and VoiceOver, I have found Flash to be nothing less than a waste of time. Apple had good reason to not support it on iDevices. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX Mountain Lion and LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hello Will, I'm going to post them on the cecimac site. Cheers, Anne On 28 Sep 2013, at 12:47, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote: You mind sending me the french instructions? Many thanks Will --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Thank you Anne. This sure looks like it needs some careful interaction with. Will spend some time on it and see how I go - Andy On 28 Sep 2013, at 14:23, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Everyone, Here's my ClickToFlash set up guide. Cheers, Anne ClickToFlash Having installed ClickToFlash, open Safari Preferences and select Extensions in the tool bar. Interact with the HTML content and make sure that the Enable Extensions check box is checked. In the list of extensions, select ClickToFlash. You'll probably have to bring the mouse and do a VO-Shift-Space on it. Stop interacting with the list and navigate to Extension Info group. Interact and make sure that the Enable ClickToFlash check box is checked. Navigate past the Uninstall button and check the Click this checkbox to access the settings check box. The ClickToFlash preferences window will open. Here you have five sets of preferences. VO gives no feedback when you select a preference pane but the selection does work. General: Placeholder opacity: purely a visual preference. Show Flash source as tooltip: This check box should be checked. Allow invisible Flash: leave this check box unchecked. Block Flash manually: leave this check box unchecked. sIFR text policy: leave as show text only. Flash to HTML5 conversion scripts: leave as use default. There follows a list of the default scripts. Load Flash if HTML5 conversion fails: uncheck this check box. Use HTML5 media fallbacks: leave this check box checked. Downloading: Use a download manager: leave this check box unchecked. AirPlay device hostname: apple-tv.local Insertion at end of text. AirPlay device hostname: here you can enter the name of any appropriate device you may have. AirPlay password: this will be the password for your device. Leave the rest as they are. Control lists: Here you can specify sites where you always want to allow flash or where you never want to allow flash. Media player: leave everything as it is. Shortcut menu: Leave everything as is except if you use an external media player such as AppleTV, in which case, check the Send via AirPlay check box. Keyboard shortcuts: Set the following short cuts: Option-f: Load all Flash in frontmost tab. Option-Click: Hide targeted Flash object. Option-Space: - Play/pause. Option-w: Enter fullscreen. Option-Up Arrow: - Volume up. Option-Down Arrow: Volume down. Option-Left Arrow: Previous track. Option-Right Arrow: Next track. Option-t: Show/hide track selector. Option-r: Toggle repeat. Option-Comma: - Open preferences. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hi Anne - This will be great if I can get it working. I just opened Safari, and clicked on Safari extentions from the menus, but just got taken back to the Apple store. So, do things like click2flash only show up in the menus when on a website that uses flash? - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
This is more of an adobe problem than a voiceover issue. Windows is a different platform, and Adobe has made flash somewhat accessible on that platform, but this has not been done on the mac. Fortunately, flash is slowly going away and being replaced by html 5 which provides all of the same features and is much more accessible, hopefully this site will move to html 5 soon. Original message: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hi Anne - I now seem to have got click2flash installed, or at least I found it and clicked install, and it appears to be saying on the webpage that it has installed, but as it wasn't a conventional download, it isn't in the downloads folder, so not sure what I'm supposed to do next? - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibility, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their suggestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Thanks for the info about HTML 5. I wasn't aware of it, or how it could replace Flash. I only mentioned other screen readers and Windows, because the reply from Apple said that Adobe had not done anything to make flash accessible to screen readers. This was not a correct statement in respect of JAWS and Window Eyes - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:40, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: This is more of an adobe problem than a voiceover issue. Windows is a different platform, and Adobe has made flash somewhat accessible on that platform, but this has not been done on the mac. Fortunately, flash is slowly going away and being replaced by html 5 which provides all of the same features and is much more accessible, hopefully this site will move to html 5 soon. Original message: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hello Andy, Extensions are not like normal apps. You don't see them in your Downloads folder. To set up Click2Flash to suit your needs, you open Safari preferences and select the Extensions tab. There, you'll find a table of installed extensions, interact with it and select Click2Flash. It has a long list of its own preferences for which you can set shortcuts. Some time over the weekend, I'll send you a private message with how to set up Click2Flash with shortcuts that don't clash with anything that's there by default. Sorry I can't do it tonight, but I'm falling asleep. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 22:41, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Anne - I now seem to have got click2flash installed, or at least I found it and clicked install, and it appears to be saying on the webpage that it has installed, but as it wasn't a conventional download, it isn't in the downloads folder, so not sure what I'm supposed to do next? - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibility, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their suggestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hi Anne, Could you please send your ClicktoFlash short cut recommendations to the list as well? I suspect several of us would be interested in them. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:59, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Extensions are not like normal apps. You don't see them in your Downloads folder. To set up Click2Flash to suit your needs, you open Safari preferences and select the Extensions tab. There, you'll find a table of installed extensions, interact with it and select Click2Flash. It has a long list of its own preferences for which you can set shortcuts. Some time over the weekend, I'll send you a private message with how to set up Click2Flash with shortcuts that don't clash with anything that's there by default. Sorry I can't do it tonight, but I'm falling asleep. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 22:41, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Anne - I now seem to have got click2flash installed, or at least I found it and clicked install, and it appears to be saying on the webpage that it has installed, but as it wasn't a conventional download, it isn't in the downloads folder, so not sure what I'm supposed to do next? - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibility, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their suggestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hello Paul, OK, I'll do that. I need to put them into English as I only have them documented in French at the moment. I'll try to get it done over the weekend. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 23:08, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote: Hi Anne, Could you please send your ClicktoFlash short cut recommendations to the list as well? I suspect several of us would be interested in them. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:59, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Extensions are not like normal apps. You don't see them in your Downloads folder. To set up Click2Flash to suit your needs, you open Safari preferences and select the Extensions tab. There, you'll find a table of installed extensions, interact with it and select Click2Flash. It has a long list of its own preferences for which you can set shortcuts. Some time over the weekend, I'll send you a private message with how to set up Click2Flash with shortcuts that don't clash with anything that's there by default. Sorry I can't do it tonight, but I'm falling asleep. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 22:41, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Anne - I now seem to have got click2flash installed, or at least I found it and clicked install, and it appears to be saying on the webpage that it has installed, but as it wasn't a conventional download, it isn't in the downloads folder, so not sure what I'm supposed to do next? - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibility, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their suggestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Right, they have not done anything to make it accessible on the mac. You might contactthe site and ask if they have any plans to move to html5. That's the way of the future, so if they have no plans for this, they are not keeping up to date with things. Original message: Thanks for the info about HTML 5. I wasn't aware of it, or how it could replace Flash. I only mentioned other screen readers and Windows, because the reply from Apple said that Adobe had not done anything to make flash accessible to screen readers. This was not a correct statement in respect of JAWS and Window Eyes - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:40, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: This is more of an adobe problem than a voiceover issue. Windows is a different platform, and Adobe has made flash somewhat accessible on that platform, but this has not been done on the mac. Fortunately, flash is slowly going away and being replaced by html 5 which provides all of the same features and is much more accessible, hopefully this site will move to html 5 soon. Original message: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Hi Anne - This is very kind of you. I've just had a look at it, and it does seem a bit complicated as I don't quite understand all that it's saying about how it functions etc. Looking forward to receiving your help. Thanks - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:59, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Extensions are not like normal apps. You don't see them in your Downloads folder. To set up Click2Flash to suit your needs, you open Safari preferences and select the Extensions tab. There, you'll find a table of installed extensions, interact with it and select Click2Flash. It has a long list of its own preferences for which you can set shortcuts. Some time over the weekend, I'll send you a private message with how to set up Click2Flash with shortcuts that don't clash with anything that's there by default. Sorry I can't do it tonight, but I'm falling asleep. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 22:41, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Anne - I now seem to have got click2flash installed, or at least I found it and clicked install, and it appears to be saying on the webpage that it has installed, but as it wasn't a conventional download, it isn't in the downloads folder, so not sure what I'm supposed to do next? - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibility, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their suggestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
I always thoughtit had to do with the lack of security that Adobe Flash Player has. At least, that's what I've been told by my store here. Take care, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 2:07 PM Subject: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
Oo! Cool! There is something like that? There was a tv station where I used to live, that, in order to see them, you had to have Flash. So, I couldn't access it and really wanted to. Maybe I can now. Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility
We would, indeed. Thanks, Brenda mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net - Original Message - From: Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility Hi Anne, Could you please send your ClicktoFlash short cut recommendations to the list as well? I suspect several of us would be interested in them. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:59, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Extensions are not like normal apps. You don't see them in your Downloads folder. To set up Click2Flash to suit your needs, you open Safari preferences and select the Extensions tab. There, you'll find a table of installed extensions, interact with it and select Click2Flash. It has a long list of its own preferences for which you can set shortcuts. Some time over the weekend, I'll send you a private message with how to set up Click2Flash with shortcuts that don't clash with anything that's there by default. Sorry I can't do it tonight, but I'm falling asleep. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 22:41, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Anne - I now seem to have got click2flash installed, or at least I found it and clicked install, and it appears to be saying on the webpage that it has installed, but as it wasn't a conventional download, it isn't in the downloads folder, so not sure what I'm supposed to do next? - Andy On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, Try the Safari extension Click2Flash. It's a bit of a struggle to configure but it really helps with flash content. Cheers, Anne On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:07, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I contacted Apple accessibility, below is there reply. It doesn't quite add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their suggestion of contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? - Andy Hello, Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below: http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash content accessible. Apple Accessibility --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please
