Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
Many thanks for the info on touch typing on IOS 8. 

I vaguely recall reading some posts about bluetooth keyboards on IOS 8. IS 
there a problem there? I have been trying to use the iMac ASpp Type2Phone to my 
new iPhone 5S now running the latest IOS 8. Pressing the arrow keys on the iMac 
moves the cursor between fields on the iPhone but typing characters on the iMac 
does not enter them on the iPhone. 

Any thoughts….
Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8

[Sarah k Alawami]

You  need to turn off quick nav to get the typing to happen.  it is an ios8 
issue and happened durin the beta cycle. I did report it but email 
accessibil...@apple.com to see if they can fix it.
On Sep 25, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

> Hello, 
> Many thanks for the info on touch typing on IOS 8. 
> 
> I vaguely recall reading some posts about bluetooth keyboards on IOS 8. IS 
> there a problem there? I have been trying to use the iMac ASpp Type2Phone to 
> my new iPhone 5S now running the latest IOS 8. Pressing the arrow keys on the 
> iMac moves the cursor between fields on the iPhone but typing characters on 
> the iMac does not enter them on the iPhone. 
> 
> Any thoughts….
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Paul Hopewell
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Martin G. McCormick]

As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
these exploits even have the backing of governments.
So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
to IOS8 today.

Big mistake!
This is a copy of the message I sent to
accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
down. Message follows:

Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.


I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
mechanical things.
I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
platforms.
When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
real keys to hunting and tapping any day.

When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
there were no real show stoppers.

If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
when something new comes out but the following is beyond
ridiculous.
On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
was a huge mistake.
The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
for two very specific conditions:

1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
actually still work.

2.  The letters and numbers will still work
when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
is not loosing contact.
The Caps-Lock key always reports that "Caps lock is on"
each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.

Sincerely,

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

End of quoted message.

At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive
motors.
I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but
that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had
backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better
out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real
adults are in charge of much of anything any more.

Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. 

Martin
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Sarah k Alawami]

Tur on and off quick nav to get this to work.  This sithe work around.

Take care.
On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:27 PM, Martin G. McCormick 
 wrote:

>   As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
> networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
> operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
> art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
> crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
> older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
> around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
> they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
> to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
> these exploits even have the backing of governments.
>   So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
> to IOS8 today.
> 
>   Big mistake!
>   This is a copy of the message I sent to
> accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
> whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
> down. Message follows:
> 
> Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.
> 
> 
>   I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
> who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
> solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
> mechanical things.
>   I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
> have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
> platforms.
>   When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
> with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
> worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
> almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
> passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
> who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
> real keys to hunting and tapping any day.
> 
>   When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
> keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
> trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
> there were no real show stoppers.
> 
>   If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
> has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
> when something new comes out but the following is beyond
> ridiculous.
>   On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
> was a huge mistake.
>   The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
> for two very specific conditions:
> 
> 1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
> actually still work.
> 
> 2.  The letters and numbers will still work
> when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
> they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
> does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
> is not loosing contact.
>   The Caps-Lock key always reports that "Caps lock is on"
> each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
> text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
> codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
>   I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
> possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
> would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
>   I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
> 
> End of quoted message.
> 
>   At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
> very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
> watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
> longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
> that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
> ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive
> motors.
>   I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but
> that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had
> backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better
> out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real
> adults are in charge of much of anything any more.
> 
>   Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. 
> 
> Martin
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[trevor]

This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, 
for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when 
you start up the iPhone or iPad.
with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
space does nothing, nor, does enter.

It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
quickly.


Trevor
-Original Message- 
From: Martin G. McCormick

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
these exploits even have the backing of governments.
So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
to IOS8 today.

Big mistake!
This is a copy of the message I sent to
accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
down. Message follows:

Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.


I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
mechanical things.
I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
platforms.
When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
real keys to hunting and tapping any day.

When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
there were no real show stoppers.

If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
when something new comes out but the following is beyond
ridiculous.
On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
was a huge mistake.
The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
for two very specific conditions:

1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
actually still work.

2.  The letters and numbers will still work
when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
is not loosing contact.
The Caps-Lock key always reports that "Caps lock is on"
each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.

Sincerely,

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

End of quoted message.

At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive
motors.
I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but
that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had
backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better
out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real
adults are in charge of much of anything any more.

Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now.

Martin
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Sarah k Alawami]

Acugtally qn is  quite useful. just turn it off if you don't like it. no big 
deal.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:21 AM, trevor  wrote:

> This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
> I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
> After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for 
> some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you 
> start up the iPhone or iPad.
> with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
> space does nothing, nor, does enter.
> It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
> Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
> quickly.
> 
> Trevor
> -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
> 
> As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
> networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
> operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
> art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
> crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
> older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
> around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
> they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
> to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
> these exploits even have the backing of governments.
> So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
> to IOS8 today.
> 
> Big mistake!
> This is a copy of the message I sent to
> accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
> whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
> down. Message follows:
> 
> Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.
> 
> 
> I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
> who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
> solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
> mechanical things.
> I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
> have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
> platforms.
> When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
> with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
> worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
> almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
> passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
> who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
> real keys to hunting and tapping any day.
> 
> When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
> keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
> trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
> there were no real show stoppers.
> 
> If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
> has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
> when something new comes out but the following is beyond
> ridiculous.
> On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
> was a huge mistake.
> The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
> for two very specific conditions:
> 
> 1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
> actually still work.
> 
> 2.  The letters and numbers will still work
> when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
> they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
> does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
> is not loosing contact.
> The Caps-Lock key always reports that "Caps lock is on"
> each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
> text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
> codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
> I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
> possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
> would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
> I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
> 
> End of quoted message.
> 
> At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
> very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
> watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
> longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
> that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
> ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or d

Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Diane Bomar]

I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the up/down 
arrows together to accomplish a vo-space?
Sent from my iPad

On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, "trevor"  wrote:

This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for 
some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start 
up the iPhone or iPad.
with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
space does nothing, nor, does enter.
It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
quickly.

Trevor
-Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
these exploits even have the backing of governments.
So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
to IOS8 today.

Big mistake!
This is a copy of the message I sent to
accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
down. Message follows:

Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Diane Bomar]

I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the up/down 
arrows together to accomplish a vo-space?
Sent from my iPad

On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, "trevor"  wrote:

This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for 
some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you start 
up the iPhone or iPad.
with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
space does nothing, nor, does enter.
It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
quickly.

Trevor
-Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
these exploits even have the backing of governments.
So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
to IOS8 today.

Big mistake!
This is a copy of the message I sent to
accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
down. Message follows:

Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[trevor scott]

Hi Diane,
Thank you for you help but I have got it fixed now.
I did what Martin 
suggested and everything is working fine.

Thanks again,

TrevorOn 1 Oct 2014, at 11:59, Diane Bomar  wrote:

> 
> I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the 
> up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space?
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, "trevor"  wrote:
> 
> This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
> I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
> After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for 
> some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you 
> start up the iPhone or iPad.
> with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
> space does nothing, nor, does enter.
> It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
> Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
> quickly.
> 
> Trevor
> -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
> 
> As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
> networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
> operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
> art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
> crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
> older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
> around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
> they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
> to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
> these exploits even have the backing of governments.
> So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
> to IOS8 today.
> 
> Big mistake!
> This is a copy of the message I sent to
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> down. Message follows:
> 
> Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Juanita Martin]

At least on the Apple BT keyboard, you can press the top right key and when VO 
says keyboard hidden, press any key and then the top right key again.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the 
> up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space?
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, "trevor"  wrote:
> 
> This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
> I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
> After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for 
> some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you 
> start up the iPhone or iPad.
> with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
> space does nothing, nor, does enter.
> It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
> Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
> quickly.
> 
> Trevor
> -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
> 
> As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
> networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
> operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
> art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
> crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
> older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
> around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
> they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
> to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
> these exploits even have the backing of governments.
> So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
> to IOS8 today.
> 
> Big mistake!
> This is a copy of the message I sent to
> accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
> whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
> down. Message follows:
> 
> Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.
> 
> 
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Sarah k Alawami]

Tha'ts the work around I've been doing since ios7 when that bug cropped up.  
and the same is true on my logitech k760 solar powered keyboard as well.

Take care.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Juanita Martin  wrote:

> At least on the Apple BT keyboard, you can press the top right key and when 
> VO says keyboard hidden, press any key and then the top right key again.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am not having this particular problem, but have you tried pushing the 
>> up/down arrows together to accomplish a vo-space?
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:21 AM, "trevor"  wrote:
>> 
>> This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
>> I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
>> After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, 
>> for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when 
>> you start up the iPhone or iPad.
>> with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
>> space does nothing, nor, does enter.
>> It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
>> Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
>> quickly.
>> 
>> Trevor
>> -----Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick
>> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
>> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
>> 
>> As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
>> networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
>> operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
>> art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
>> crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
>> older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
>> around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
>> they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
>> to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
>> these exploits even have the backing of governments.
>> So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
>> to IOS8 today.
>> 
>> Big mistake!
>> This is a copy of the message I sent to
>> accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
>> whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
>> down. Message follows:
>> 
>> Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.
>> 
>> 
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to 
>> mac-access@mac-access.net
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>> unpredictable happen.
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix

[Martin G. McCormick]

I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty
things I said about Apple?
Not in the least because this is big business at it's
worst.
Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the
fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad
just fine.
As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear
to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's
status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have
learned so far.
From:Sarah k Alawami 
She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that
by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously.
The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your
arrows back but I would call this "teaser mode" because you
can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are
tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth.
Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when
one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things.
The system goes silent briefly and you here "Voiceover on" and
find that you are now back at the start of the list of available
links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow
through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less
often. Time to go down another rabbit hole.
One of the google searches I did turned up the following
set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The
following words are not mine but lifted from the email being
referenced.
Quoting:

   AppleVis
   If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a
   few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the issue.
   Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you change
   the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language & Region. To make
   the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps:

   1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an arbitrary
   one in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard.
   2. Open the Notes app.
   3. Create a new note.
   4. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
   turn off the quick navigation option.
   5. Hold down the command key and press the space key several times to
   cycle through the list of software keyboards.
   6. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
   turn on the quick navigation option.
   7. Now your Bluetooth keyboard should work fine except other iOS bugs.
   8. You may delete the software keyboard temporarily added at Settings,
   General, Keyboard, Keyboards.

   This is a copy of the email sent to RiVO customers to resolve the issue
   (http://goo.gl/GiBvWy) since it should also resolve the problem for
   other Bluetooth keyboards as well.

End of quote

This is Martin speaking now. After activating notes from
the touch screen, I selected compose and did as the instructions
said. I had selected a Spanish keyboard as the software keyboard so I typed
Command+Space and heard Espaniole then English and then
Espaniole again as there were now two software keyboards.
I left it on English. You then just get out of notes and
the BT KB now works as well as it did in IOS6.

The IOS8 accessibility stack was simply not ready for
prime time. While I do not have any inside knowledge of how the
OS works, it appears that various parts of the system are not
speaking to each other during installation and setup. If your
are using an English or Russian or Chinese locale, all important
modules such as the keyboard translator should understand which
character sets to use without the end user having to essentially
initialize them. In unix, we call this the environment and make
use of environmental variables and it generally works
beautifully. IOS is not unix but the concept is an old and
tested one. We are using XYZ language so everything that deals
with text and fonts knows this and behaves accordingly unless
specifically told otherwise.
I hope this helps somebody. Knowledge is worth a lot
more when it is concentrated in one place. Treasure hunts are
fun and challenging but sometimes, we just want stuff to work.

Martin
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Martin,

You didn’t have to upgrade. Your choice. Why not wait for a few weeks and see 
how the people who have non-production devices test the new releases.

Gena

On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:32, Martin G. McCormick  
wrote:

>   I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty
> things I said about Apple?
>   Not in the least because this is big business at it's
> worst.
>   Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the
> fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad
> just fine.
>   As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear
> to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's
> status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have
> learned so far.
> From:Sarah k Alawami 
>   She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that
> by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously.
> The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your
> arrows back but I would call this "teaser mode" because you
> can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are
> tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth.
>   Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when
> one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things.
> The system goes silent briefly and you here "Voiceover on" and
> find that you are now back at the start of the list of available
> links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow
> through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less
> often. Time to go down another rabbit hole.
>   One of the google searches I did turned up the following
> set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The
> following words are not mine but lifted from the email being
> referenced.
> Quoting:
> 
>   AppleVis
>   If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a
>   few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the issue.
>   Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you change
>   the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language & Region. To make
>   the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps:
> 
>   1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an arbitrary
>   one in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard.
>   2. Open the Notes app.
>   3. Create a new note.
>   4. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
>   turn off the quick navigation option.
>   5. Hold down the command key and press the space key several times to
>   cycle through the list of software keyboards.
>   6. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
>   turn on the quick navigation option.
>   7. Now your Bluetooth keyboard should work fine except other iOS bugs.
>   8. You may delete the software keyboard temporarily added at Settings,
>   General, Keyboard, Keyboards.
> 
>   This is a copy of the email sent to RiVO customers to resolve the issue
>   (http://goo.gl/GiBvWy) since it should also resolve the problem for
>   other Bluetooth keyboards as well.
> 
> End of quote
> 
>   This is Martin speaking now. After activating notes from
> the touch screen, I selected compose and did as the instructions
> said. I had selected a Spanish keyboard as the software keyboard so I typed
> Command+Space and heard Espaniole then English and then
> Espaniole again as there were now two software keyboards.
>   I left it on English. You then just get out of notes and
> the BT KB now works as well as it did in IOS6.
>   
>   The IOS8 accessibility stack was simply not ready for
> prime time. While I do not have any inside knowledge of how the
> OS works, it appears that various parts of the system are not
> speaking to each other during installation and setup. If your
> are using an English or Russian or Chinese locale, all important
> modules such as the keyboard translator should understand which
> character sets to use without the end user having to essentially
> initialize them. In unix, we call this the environment and make
> use of environmental variables and it generally works
> beautifully. IOS is not unix but the concept is an old and
> tested one. We are using XYZ language so everything that deals
> with text and fonts knows this and behaves accordingly unless
> specifically told otherwise.
>   I hope this helps somebody. Knowledge is worth a lot
> more when it is concentrated in one place. Treasure hunts are
> fun and challenging but sometimes, we just want stuff to work.
> 
> Martin
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix

[Travis Siegel]

You know, this is one thing (not just on this list, but everywhere)  
where folks get ribbed because they upgrade, then have issues.  Yet,  
if anyone mentions that they're not running the latest release (such  
as I've done on a number of occasions) because of issues with that  
release, you get ribbed, because you're not upgrading and taking the  
issues, because they can and will be worked around.  Honestly, I find  
it a bit irritating.  I have learned to ignore it, mostly because I  
don't care about tech support, rarely call for it, and have no issue  
fixing my own hardware (most of the time), so for me, having 10 or  
even 20 year old equipment doesn't bother me in the least, but when I  
mention to someone that I have a computer running windows xp pro, that  
is 10 years old, or that I have an iphone 3gs, or 4s, or that I'm  
running osx 10.5 or 10.6, the response is nearly always, "You need to  
upgrade"  That's all well and good if someone can afford to do so, and/ 
or if they want to do so, but some folks are perfectly happy with what  
they have, and don't want or need the latest and greatest, and perhaps  
have other equipment in addition to what's being discussed, yet, it  
seems to be antisocial, or anti technology, if someone doesn't want to  
upgrade for whatever reason.  Could we please stop casting aspersions  
on the versions of hardware/software folks are using, and just offer  
help where possible, and keep quiet otherwise?  Honestly, I don't care  
if someone is running 10.4 tiger, or 10.9 mavericks, if they have a  
problem, and I know how to fix it, then I'm always willing to assist,  
and the version of their hardware/software should have no bearing on  
that issue.  Sure, sometimes, problems are fixed in later releases,  
and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out, but it really needs  
to be done in a friendly optional manner, not in a rude direct  
confrontation method, as I've seen all too often here and elsewhere.   
I'm not a moderator, and I have nothing to do with the running of any  
portion of the mac-access sites or anything else relating to the list  
or equipment running it, I'm simply a list user who has withdrawn, and  
participated less and less as time goes on, because frankly, the level  
of snobbery on this list has truly astounded me.  I realize this isn't  
really a matter for me to raise directly on list, but sorry folks,  
it's just finally gotten on my nerves one too many times.  Responses  
like the below do nothing to help, and often cause antagonism, which  
really isn't necessary.  Can we please keep things civil, and stop  
with the sniping at folks who aren't running the versions others have?  
Please?



On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:


Hello Martin,

You didn’t have to upgrade. Your choice. Why not wait for a few  
weeks and see how the people who have non-production devices test  
the new releases.


Gena

On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:32, Martin G. McCormick > wrote:



I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty
things I said about Apple?
Not in the least because this is big business at it's
worst.
Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the
fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad
just fine.
As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear
to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's
status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have
learned so far.
From:Sarah k Alawami 
She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that
by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously.
The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your
arrows back but I would call this "teaser mode" because you
can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are
tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth.
Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when
one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things.
The system goes silent briefly and you here "Voiceover on" and
find that you are now back at the start of the list of available
links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow
through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less
often. Time to go down another rabbit hole.
One of the google searches I did turned up the following
set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The
following words are not mine but lifted from the email being
referenced.
Quoting:

 AppleVis
 If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a
 few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the  
issue.
 Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you  
change

 the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language & Region. To make
 the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps:

 1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an  
arbitrary

 one in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add