Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.
Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello all, The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. 1. navigation. I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to key-lock on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a table mode however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. All the best, Dónal Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.
Hello, It's actually both. It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore. hth. On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote: Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello all, The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. 1. navigation. I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to key-lock on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a table mode however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. All the best, Dónal Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.
Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? Any known issues? On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello, It's actually both. It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore. hth. On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote: Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello all, The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. 1. navigation. I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to key-lock on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a table mode however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. All the best, Dónal Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The
Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.
only started playing with it yesterday. Very straightforward. Whether it captures rich media well is open to debate. On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:35, Carolyn Wagner wrote: Have you had much experience with using it within the browser in the mac os? Any known issues? On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello, It's actually both. It comes as part of the OS which is installed on various netbooks etc but it's also a chrome extension available in the chrome webstore. hth. On 5 Oct 2011, at 16:22, Carolyn Wagner wrote: Can you confirm that Chrome Vox is part of the Chrome OS available on certain hardware devices, and not an add-on to the Chrome browser, which I occasionally use on my mac? On Oct 4, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hello all, The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. 1. navigation. I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to key-lock on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a table mode however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. All the best, Dónal Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive:
Re: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts.
Kevin C already brought a few of these issues to Google's attention on another list -- specifically the cumbersome table navigation and inability to save speech settings. This is why I wanted to give a little hat tip since I know good testing when I see it. It may be a good idea to join one of those lists and add your feedback to Kevin's though -- hey perhaps in the feedback department I can try practicing what I preach :). Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Dónal Fitzpatrick To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: Chrome Vox: preliminary thoughts. Hello all, The first thing to say about this is that it is a very very interesting concept indeed. However, given the person who designed it (T. V. Raman) it's not really a surprise. He has always been extraordinarily creative. Before proceeding, I should point out that the chrome add-on uses ctrl-alt as modifier keys. These are the same as the VO keys. 1. navigation. I like the way that a granularity of navigation exists. For those who haven't used Chrome Vox, you can essentially navigate a page by group, object, sentence word or character. So you can skim (metaphorically) over a page, find the portion you're looking for then zoom in (to plagiarise a phrase from the user-manual). 2. The use of keyboard mnemonics follows a fairly typical process. However, they've gone for letter sequences rather than single-keystrokes. So for example, to get to the next heading, you press ctrl-alt-n (followed by) ctrl-alt-h. On chrome-os netbooks, there is an equivalent to key-lock on VO. I haven't used it on the mac yet, though I'm assured it's there. 3. I find table navigation cumbersome. One can switch to a table mode however, while in this, in order to move to adjacent cells, one has to execute a command like ctrl-alt-t (followed by) ctrl-alt-(arrow); where arrow is the direction you wish to move to. Now I understand the logic, I'm just not a big fan. What I think is missing from this is the ability to limit verbosity. Chrome-vox uses earcons (like VO's sounds) to enhance the spoken utterance. I don't like them and can't find a way to turn them off. Secondly, each time I load chrome, the speech settings have adjusted themselves back to default rate, volume and pitch. Now I'd be amazed if they can't be set and stored, I just haven't come across the settings yet. All in all it is good and interesting software, and I think that in future iterations it will prove to be a good and viable alternative. For me, Safari does the job adequately, but I'll keep playing with it. I can easily see how people like Kevin would find it productive; I look forward to trying it with google-docs. All the best, Dónal Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
