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I don't know about the eu, but in the US, if you purchased applecare, you got a 3-year warrantee with the product, instead of the default 1 year you get just by buying the thing. Was it different in the EU? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http
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Agreed. And what is more scary is how many people who have no idea how an economy actually runs and think that every company supplying some sort of goods are cheating the consumers in some way shape or form. Many of them, however, also want to be paid the maximum for their own work, not considering who pays their salaries and how. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages
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Hi Jeff, Actually, what truly impacts the pricing of any product here are the tax rates, and at least last time I studied this, consumers and producers bargaining. They're usually price ratios which are determined by these two factors, while competition brings a tendency towards an equilibrium level. When taxes are levied, business are unable to immediately raise prices to forward the cost onto the consumer any more than before the tax was brought into action. It's a consumer/demand supply relationship. Of course, anyone can figure that out, since it's just common sense. It gets a bit more complicated, but I don't want to rant on here, since my primary knowledge is now in business ethics thanks to a friend. What Europeans know is that Apple violated the European consumer laws, which is the important factor. The price really is not, as long as Apple is in accordance with the laws set forth. In this case, they were not. From what I understand, U.S. consumer law provides one year of limited warranty, at least from what I can gather from the information off of Apple. Europeans generally also know that there's a rather big price difference in products from the U.S. as opposed to buying a similar product in Europe, at least in some cases. That's not only because of the 25%VAT implied in some countries, but it's definitely what plays the biggest part and what most consumers are going to know. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available
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Excuse me, could we stick to apple discussions and maybe save the tired right-wing rhetoric for the John Birch Society forum? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:21 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Agreed. And what is more scary is how many people who have no idea how an economy actually runs and think that every company supplying some sort of goods are cheating the consumers in some way shape or form. Many of them, however, also want to be paid the maximum for their own work, not considering who pays their salaries and how. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website
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Yes, sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. I forget the left tends to get jumpy when you start to talk about real economy issues. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Excuse me, could we stick to apple discussions and maybe save the tired right-wing rhetoric for the John Birch Society forum? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:21 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Agreed. And what is more scary is how many people who have no idea how an economy actually runs and think that every company supplying some sort of goods are cheating the consumers in some way shape or form. Many of them, however, also want to be paid the maximum for their own work, not considering who pays their salaries and how. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from
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Feel better? Now can we get back to Apple discussions? Thanks On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:55 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. I forget the left tends to get jumpy when you start to talk about real economy issues. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Excuse me, could we stick to apple discussions and maybe save the tired right-wing rhetoric for the John Birch Society forum? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:21 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Agreed. And what is more scary is how many people who have no idea how an economy actually runs and think that every company supplying some sort of goods are cheating the consumers in some way shape or form. Many of them, however, also want to be paid the maximum for their own work, not considering who pays their salaries and how. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
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I was going to ask you the same question, actually, as your response was not exactly called for. To get back on subject, I apologize for highjacking Geoff's original post. He was on topic. So, it's my fault for diverting it with my editorializing. I ran a business for several years and have family and friends who still do so in varying capacities, so this topic is a hot one for me personally. However, as I said, I am sorry for derailing the initial point. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Feel better? Now can we get back to Apple discussions? Thanks On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:55 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. I forget the left tends to get jumpy when you start to talk about real economy issues. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Excuse me, could we stick to apple discussions and maybe save the tired right-wing rhetoric for the John Birch Society forum? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:21 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Agreed. And what is more scary is how many people who have no idea how an economy actually runs and think that every company supplying some sort of goods are cheating the consumers in some way shape or form. Many of them, however, also want to be paid the maximum for their own work, not considering who pays their salaries and how. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012
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Know this is a new topic, but how do you start playing a DVD? I am trying to watch a movie and am stuck in the menu. All VO says imageand I can't interact with it. Any help is appreciated. TJ On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote: Feel better? Now can we get back to Apple discussions? Thanks On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:55 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. I forget the left tends to get jumpy when you start to talk about real economy issues. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Excuse me, could we stick to apple discussions and maybe save the tired right-wing rhetoric for the John Birch Society forum? Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:21 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net wrote: Agreed. And what is more scary is how many people who have no idea how an economy actually runs and think that every company supplying some sort of goods are cheating the consumers in some way shape or form. Many of them, however, also want to be paid the maximum for their own work, not considering who pays their salaries and how. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@mac-access.net On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time, which actually should have been the case as the article says. So, Apple deserves taking the heat for this one, though I'm kind of surprised their lawyers haven't acted on this to prevent the misleading claims. Since I'm into law, at least as a hobby, I've been rather upset when I've shown up with damaged equipment to find I wasn't covered, but my insurance company was perfectly able to replace the item if it was damaged beyond repair, at least if you include the coverage when signing insurance. Of course, I haven't had damaged items, but I like to test Apple since they've been rather troublesome, not just in this area but also when it comes to advertising. At any rate, I'm pretty happy to see Apple refining AppleCare and warranty now. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net
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Hi Nic and others, We agree that pricing is a function of many factors -- the most tangible of which you mentioned are sales taxes (AKA vat in Europe), and the existence of competition. Conceding your point that Apple failed to comply with EU consumer protection law does not alter my original argument that the mandated change will impact Apple's price to service the affected products. They may choose to absorb those costs internally by lowering employee pay scales, reducing dividend payments, etc, but the more likely outcome is that they will conclude that its costlier delivering products in EU member nations and price their products accordingly. Then most consumers will blame Apple rather than the EU!! Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi Jeff, Actually, what truly impacts the pricing of any product here are the tax rates, and at least last time I studied this, consumers and producers bargaining. They're usually price ratios which are determined by these two factors, while competition brings a tendency towards an equilibrium level. When taxes are levied, business are unable to immediately raise prices to forward the cost onto the consumer any more than before the tax was brought into action. It's a consumer/demand supply relationship. Of course, anyone can figure that out, since it's just common sense. It gets a bit more complicated, but I don't want to rant on here, since my primary knowledge is now in business ethics thanks to a friend. What Europeans know is that Apple violated the European consumer laws, which is the important factor. The price really is not, as long as Apple is in accordance with the laws set forth. In this case, they were not. From what I understand, U.S. consumer law provides one year of limited warranty, at least from what I can gather from the information off of Apple. Europeans generally also know that there's a rather big price difference in products from the U.S. as opposed to buying a similar product in Europe, at least in some cases. That's not only because of the 25%VAT implied in some countries, but it's definitely what plays the biggest part and what most consumers are going to know. Regards, Nicolai On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Amusing that they state: companies should offer a free two-year warranty. Do most Europeans actually believe its free of charge without even a modicum of impact on the pricing of a product? Its incredible that the vary people who applaud this sort of thing whine about the disparity in prices for identical products in their countries. Of course since the US President has been intentionally trashing this nations currency for over three years, y'all may have a more favorable exchange rate, but the reality is that all costs have a direct affect on a company's profit margin which must be offset by increasing revenue. The only method at a company's disposal to augment revenue is to price their goods and services accordingly. To be fair, the pro-EU faction of Europeans don't have a monopoly on believing politician's fairy tales of a free lunch. Its always amusing to watch supporters of our current President demand that these evil energy producers be taxed for various offenses having to do with being an evil corporation in general and the global warming hoax in particular. Ironically, those vary people complain when their electric bills skyrocket and they can't afford to fill their gas tanks, or purchase food (which generally requires transportation). To keep this topical, its probably fair to conclude that citizens of the affected EU nations shouldn't be surprised to discover that this will hit them directly in the pocket book, which would be identical to the affect of raising taxes on Apple. Corporations do not pay taxes you see -- they simply collect them from their customers. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: EU law forces Apple two-year warranty | Macworld Hi, Actually, this is perfectly justifiable. Before just now, you only got one year of warranty if you included AppleCare, which truthfully isn't any better than what the insurance any other company can provide. In a lot of countries, you have an insurance which covers all damages to electronic equipment, like computers, televisions, microwaves and so-forth regardless of the warranty provided by the manufacturer. And obviously, Apple misleads customers by suggesting that we pay for AppleCare for the second and third year when the two-year law in Europe didn't cover it at the time
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I'm not so sure what to think of this. but here's the article. the reader is available in this one. http://www.macworld.com/article/1166194/eu_law_forces_apple_twoyear_warranty.html#lsrc.rss_products_ipod --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
