Re: More on verbosity of numbers
Chris. Can we stay away from discussing Jaws please, it's OT for this group. I know you're expressing an opinion, but let's try and steer clear of anything Windows. On 29 Aug 2011, at 11:13, Chris Moore wrote: This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it handles numbers and is very smart about it. It can be set to recognise phone numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, such as 1 would be read out as nine teen etc. I was disappointed to see that number handling in VO had not been improved. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
Gordon, Wouldn't exploitation of the activities feature introduced in Lion possibly serve as a work-around? That way you can have the numbers read as words in the Mail app, but as digits everywhere else? Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:46 AM Subject: More on verbosity of numbers Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
Hello Geoff Nope, that's not going to help because you still get this problem, for instance, in the Finder when you happen to put focus on the app. But I'm not just referring to applications, I'm talking about screen interpretation in general. A screen-reader is supposed to read the screen's contents, not interpret them. Gordon On 29 Aug 2011, at 09:11, Geoff Waaler wrote: Gordon, Wouldn't exploitation of the activities feature introduced in Lion possibly serve as a work-around? That way you can have the numbers read as words in the Mail app, but as digits everywhere else? Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:46 AM Subject: More on verbosity of numbers Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it handles numbers and is very smart about it. It can be set to recognise phone numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, such as 1 would be read out as nine teen etc. I was disappointed to see that number handling in VO had not been improved. Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML. THis has proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS. On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:46, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: More on verbosity of numbers
Hi GOrdon, While I see and respect where you're coming from, in fairness I've not found too many odd examples like the one you posted. I generally appreciate VO's interpretation of dates and similar, especially in Lion, as it seems to have markedly improved. I'm willing to put up with the occasional oddity for better support overall, I think. Granted, an option of some kind might be advisable, but I'm quite happy with the way things are now. Yours, Zack. On Aug 29, 2011, at 3:13 AM, Chris Moore wrote: This is where I think JAWS excels over VO, JAWS has so many different ways it handles numbers and is very smart about it. It can be set to recognise phone numbers, and it can also read numbers out as pairs so they are spoken as words, such as 1 would be read out as nine teen etc. I was disappointed to see that number handling in VO had not been improved. Where VO does kick JAWS ass though is with title attribute in HTML. THis has proven to be a real headache for me with the default settings for JAWS. On 29 Aug 2011, at 08:46, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all I think I need to qualify my last post a little. I'm talking about the way screen interpretation is changed. I have the VO Utility Verbosity Text speak numbers as setting set to words. However, I did this because I don't want to hear, for instance in the mailbox messages list, one seven messages, one six unread. I prefer to hear seventeen messages, sixteen unread. But the version numbers of programmes etc. is being taken way too literally, and it's being translated into something totally different. The version number in Esther's message, for instance, with the above VO setting set to words is spoken as Version the first of February two thousand and twenty-eight. I think we need some sort of half-way house here. There shouldn't only be one rule which covers everything. I need to think about this one a little, before approaching Apple with a solution. But I just hate everything being read as digits so I will keep that setting set to words and, for now, I guess I'll just have to tolerate it. Gordon --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
