Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Gordon Smith]

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On 9 Sep 2013, at 12:16, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Believe me I felt that way myself when I first got my computer, MacBook Pro 
> mid 2012. And no they're not stupid at all.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:
> 
>> Henry - Only just read your below message, and am glad to see from the 
>> thread that you have now been given the help you needed. These are not 
>> stupid questions you ask, or if they are, then I too am stupid, as I had to 
>> ask a lot on this list too, and with help on here, and doing my own research 
>> for podcasts etc, I feel I have made great strides forward in using this 
>> Mac. I certainly wouldn't go back to Windows now. There is a lot to learn, 
>> and because at times things can be inconsistent with Voice Over, it can seem 
>> like you are doing something wrong, that use to work,and this can feel very 
>> frustrating, so keep in mind that at times, when things do not work, it 
>> isn't always user error. Good luck, and keep asking for help, once you get 
>> use to doing things, just from repetition, it'll all feel much easier -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 9 Sep 2013, at 11:11, "Henry Miller"  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Andy
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around the
>>> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an item
>>> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started tutorial"
>>> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
>>> instructions are:
>>> 
>>> 1.When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
>>> 2.Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
>>> (this is where we are stuck)
>>> 3.Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
>>> 
>>> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know how
>>> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
>>> commands.
>>> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
>>> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work in
>>> this case for us.
>>> 
>>> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
>>> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any sighted
>>> assistance to help.
>>> 
>>> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry and Angela
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
>>> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>>> 
>>> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another
>>> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
>>> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
>>> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Sarah
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>>>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>>>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> 
>>>> Henry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
&

Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Sarah k Alawami]

Lol. I had no podcasts but I guess I'm just fast at learning the basics of mac 
osx. it helps if you have the hints on for a while and that's how I learned how 
to click the check box that customizes everything, I can't remember what it's 
called at the moment as my brain is not yet up and functioning. lol! Actually I 
had a drill sergeant teach the mac who gave me the best advice. Take your mac 
to school, if it's a laptop anyways, and use it, then use it some more, then 
use it some more until you can do all the commands in your sleep. Tha'ts the 
best advice I've gotten and do this for all pieces of equipment I use weather 
hardware  or sot wares.

Tc and hth.
On Sep 9, 2013, at 3:59 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Henry - Only just read your below message, and am glad to see from the thread 
> that you have now been given the help you needed. These are not stupid 
> questions you ask, or if they are, then I too am stupid, as I had to ask a 
> lot on this list too, and with help on here, and doing my own research for 
> podcasts etc, I feel I have made great strides forward in using this Mac. I 
> certainly wouldn't go back to Windows now. There is a lot to learn, and 
> because at times things can be inconsistent with Voice Over, it can seem like 
> you are doing something wrong, that use to work,and this can feel very 
> frustrating, so keep in mind that at times, when things do not work, it isn't 
> always user error. Good luck, and keep asking for help, once you get use to 
> doing things, just from repetition, it'll all feel much easier -
> 
> Andy
> On 9 Sep 2013, at 11:11, "Henry Miller"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Andy
>> 
>> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around the
>> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an item
>> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started tutorial"
>> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
>> instructions are:
>> 
>> 1.   When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
>> 2.   Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
>> (this is where we are stuck)
>> 3.   Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
>> 
>> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know how
>> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
>> commands.
>> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
>> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work in
>> this case for us.
>> 
>> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
>> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any sighted
>> assistance to help.
>> 
>> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Henry and Angela
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another
>> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
>> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
>> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarah
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>>> 
>>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
>> speech
>>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>>> settings there.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>

RE: new member of list with a basic question?

[Henry Miller]

Hi Andy

Thanks for your reassuring comments which are much appreciated.  It is
certainly a steep learning curve from using a Pc, but we both love the Mac
Book Pro.  

best wishes

Henry and Angela


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
Sent: 09 September 2013 11:59
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?

Henry - Only just read your below message, and am glad to see from the
thread that you have now been given the help you needed. These are not
stupid questions you ask, or if they are, then I too am stupid, as I had to
ask a lot on this list too, and with help on here, and doing my own research
for podcasts etc, I feel I have made great strides forward in using this
Mac. I certainly wouldn't go back to Windows now. There is a lot to learn,
and because at times things can be inconsistent with Voice Over, it can seem
like you are doing something wrong, that use to work,and this can feel very
frustrating, so keep in mind that at times, when things do not work, it
isn't always user error. Good luck, and keep asking for help, once you get
use to doing things, just from repetition, it'll all feel much easier -

Andy
On 9 Sep 2013, at 11:11, "Henry Miller"  wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around
the
> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an
item
> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started
tutorial"
> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
> instructions are:
> 
> 1.When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
> 2.Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
> (this is where we are stuck)
> 3.Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
> 
> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know
how
> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
> commands.
> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work
in
> this case for us.
> 
> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any
sighted
> assistance to help.
> 
> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Henry and Angela
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys.
Another
> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
> 
> Andy
> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sarah
>> 
>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
> speech
>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>> settings there.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
>> Over
>>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
>> access
>>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings
within
>>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>>> 
>>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>

Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Josh Gregory]

Very good sanity is good :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:43 AM, "Henry Miller"  wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Josh
> 
> Thank you for your kind welcoming  comments.  Also, a big thank you for your
> clear instructions-we have now regained our sanity .
> 
> very best wishes
> 
> Henry and Angela
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory
> Sent: 09 September 2013 11:19
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> Good morning, let me first welcome you to the list, as I didn't do so
> before. Welcome. I'm sure you'll learn many things here. Secondly, when
> speech is highlighted in the table, all you need to do is stop interacting
> with voiceover plus shift plus up arrow, voiceover plus right arrow to the
> announcements tab and Press voice over plus space to activate it. It should
> be noted that the voiceover keys are the control and option keys, if you're
> not already aware of this, which I suspect you are, but just saying for
> clarification purposes. Hope this helps you somewhat, if you need any
> further instructions feel free to ask.
> Thanks,
> Josh
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:11 AM, "Henry Miller" 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Andy
>> 
>> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around
> the
>> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an
> item
>> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started
> tutorial"
>> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
>> instructions are:
>> 
>> 1.When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
>> 2.Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
>> (this is where we are stuck)
>> 3.Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
>> 
>> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know
> how
>> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
>> commands.
>> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
>> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work
> in
>> this case for us.
>> 
>> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
>> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any
> sighted
>> assistance to help.
>> 
>> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Henry and Angela
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys.
> Another
>> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
>> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
>> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarah
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>>> 
>>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
>> speech
>>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>>> settings there.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All
>>>> 
>>>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is 

Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Josh Gregory]

Believe me I felt that way myself when I first got my computer, MacBook Pro mid 
2012. And no they're not stupid at all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Henry - Only just read your below message, and am glad to see from the thread 
> that you have now been given the help you needed. These are not stupid 
> questions you ask, or if they are, then I too am stupid, as I had to ask a 
> lot on this list too, and with help on here, and doing my own research for 
> podcasts etc, I feel I have made great strides forward in using this Mac. I 
> certainly wouldn't go back to Windows now. There is a lot to learn, and 
> because at times things can be inconsistent with Voice Over, it can seem like 
> you are doing something wrong, that use to work,and this can feel very 
> frustrating, so keep in mind that at times, when things do not work, it isn't 
> always user error. Good luck, and keep asking for help, once you get use to 
> doing things, just from repetition, it'll all feel much easier -
> 
> Andy
> On 9 Sep 2013, at 11:11, "Henry Miller"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Andy
>> 
>> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around the
>> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an item
>> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started tutorial"
>> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
>> instructions are:
>> 
>> 1.When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
>> 2.Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
>> (this is where we are stuck)
>> 3.Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
>> 
>> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know how
>> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
>> commands.
>> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
>> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work in
>> this case for us.
>> 
>> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
>> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any sighted
>> assistance to help.
>> 
>> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Henry and Angela
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another
>> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
>> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
>> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
>> 
>> Andy
>> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sarah
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>>> 
>>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
>> speech
>>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>>> settings there.
>>> 
>>> Tc.
>>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All
>>>> 
>>>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>>>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
>>> Over
>>>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
>>> access
>>>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headi

Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Andy Collins]

Henry - Only just read your below message, and am glad to see from the thread 
that you have now been given the help you needed. These are not stupid 
questions you ask, or if they are, then I too am stupid, as I had to ask a lot 
on this list too, and with help on here, and doing my own research for podcasts 
etc, I feel I have made great strides forward in using this Mac. I certainly 
wouldn't go back to Windows now. There is a lot to learn, and because at times 
things can be inconsistent with Voice Over, it can seem like you are doing 
something wrong, that use to work,and this can feel very frustrating, so keep 
in mind that at times, when things do not work, it isn't always user error. 
Good luck, and keep asking for help, once you get use to doing things, just 
from repetition, it'll all feel much easier -

Andy
On 9 Sep 2013, at 11:11, "Henry Miller"  wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around the
> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an item
> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started tutorial"
> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
> instructions are:
> 
> 1.When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
> 2.Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
> (this is where we are stuck)
> 3.Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
> 
> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know how
> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
> commands.
> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work in
> this case for us.
> 
> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any sighted
> assistance to help.
> 
> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Henry and Angela
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another
> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
> 
> Andy
> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sarah
>> 
>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
> speech
>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>> settings there.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
>> Over
>>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
>> access
>>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
>>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>>> 
>>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: new member of list with a basic question?

[Henry Miller]

Hi Josh

Thank you for your kind welcoming  comments.  Also, a big thank you for your
clear instructions-we have now regained our sanity .

very best wishes

Henry and Angela


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory
Sent: 09 September 2013 11:19
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?

Good morning, let me first welcome you to the list, as I didn't do so
before. Welcome. I'm sure you'll learn many things here. Secondly, when
speech is highlighted in the table, all you need to do is stop interacting
with voiceover plus shift plus up arrow, voiceover plus right arrow to the
announcements tab and Press voice over plus space to activate it. It should
be noted that the voiceover keys are the control and option keys, if you're
not already aware of this, which I suspect you are, but just saying for
clarification purposes. Hope this helps you somewhat, if you need any
further instructions feel free to ask.
Thanks,
Josh

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:11 AM, "Henry Miller" 
wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around
the
> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an
item
> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started
tutorial"
> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
> instructions are:
> 
> 1.When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
> 2.Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
> (this is where we are stuck)
> 3.Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
> 
> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know
how
> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
> commands.
> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work
in
> this case for us.
> 
> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any
sighted
> assistance to help.
> 
> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Henry and Angela
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys.
Another
> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
> 
> Andy
> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sarah
>> 
>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
> speech
>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>> settings there.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
>> Over
>>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
>> access
>>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings
within
>>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>>> 
>>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>> 

Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Josh Gregory]

Good morning, let me first welcome you to the list, as I didn't do so before. 
Welcome. I'm sure you'll learn many things here. Secondly, when speech is 
highlighted in the table, all you need to do is stop interacting with voiceover 
plus shift plus up arrow, voiceover plus right arrow to the announcements tab 
and Press voice over plus space to activate it. It should be noted that the 
voiceover keys are the control and option keys, if you're not already aware of 
this, which I suspect you are, but just saying for clarification purposes. Hope 
this helps you somewhat, if you need any further instructions feel free to ask.
Thanks,
Josh

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:11 AM, "Henry Miller"  wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around the
> screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an item
> to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started tutorial"
> Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
> instructions are:
> 
> 1.When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
> 2.Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
> (this is where we are stuck)
> 3.Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 
> 
> We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know how
> to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
> commands.
> This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
> "click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work in
> this case for us.
> 
> We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
> both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any sighted
> assistance to help.
> 
> Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Henry and Angela
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
> Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another
> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
> an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
> pitch, speed etc, on the fly -
> 
> Andy
> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sarah
>> 
>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
> speech
>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>> settings there.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
>> Over
>>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
>> access
>>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
>>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>>> 
>>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to
>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>>> 
>>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum
>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html>
>>> or at the public Mail Archive:
>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/m

RE: new member of list with a basic question?

[Henry Miller]

Hi Andy

Many thanks for your suggestions.  We have learnt how to navigate around the
screen with VO plus right or left arrow etc.  Our problem is opening an item
to adjust the settings. for example, in the apple "getting started tutorial"
Chapter 2, under the heading of "Hear when modifier keys are pressed" the
instructions are:
 
1.  When VoiceOver is on, open VoiceOver Utility by pressing VO-F8.
2.  Click Verbosity in the category table, and then click Announcements.
(this is where we are stuck)
3.  Select the "Announce when a modifier key is pressed" checkbox. 

We can interact with the table and highlight Verbosity, but do not know how
to reach "announcements" from this point-despite trying numerous VO
commands.
This tutorial was obviously written by a sighted person: for we  assume to
"click" an item we either use VO plus spacebar or enter which do not work in
this case for us.

We are obviously missing something very simple and feel embarrased, we are
both total and rely completely on what we hear,  and do not have any sighted
assistance to help.
   
Any step by step set of instructions will be greatly appreciated.

best wishes

Henry and Angela


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andy Collins
Sent: 08 September 2013 22:23
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?

Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another
place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in
an application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice,
pitch, speed etc, on the fly -

Andy
On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Sarah
> 
> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional
speech
> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
> settings there.
> 
> Tc.
> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
> Over
>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
> access
>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>> 
>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
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> Sub

Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Sarah k Alawami]

That and vo plus v will let you adjust a bit more, but if you only could make 
finer  grain adjustments via that menu. I did email accessibil...@apple.com 
regarding that issue but got no response from them and that was a few years ago.

Tc.
On Sep 8, 2013, at 2:22 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another 
> place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in an 
> application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice, pitch, 
> speed etc, on the fly -
> 
> Andy
> On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sarah
>> 
>> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
>> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
>> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
>> 
>> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional speech
>> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
>> settings there.
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
>> Over
>>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
>> access
>>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
>>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>>> 
>>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to
>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>>> 
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Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Andy Collins]

Henry - To navigate, use the VO keys with right and left arrow keys. Another 
place you can make some VO customised adjustments is by using VO v when in an 
application, and VO cmd with the arrow keys will let you adjust voice, pitch, 
speed etc, on the fly -

Andy
On 8 Sep 2013, at 20:47, Henry Miller  wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Sarah
> 
> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional speech
> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
> settings there.
> 
> Tc.
> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
> Over
>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
> access
>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>> 
>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to
> mac-access@mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum
> at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
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Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Sarah k Alawami]

Hello. aFter you hit cmd numrow 2 to get to verbosity vo right to the check box 
indicated in my last post and check it. Now just vo right to the table and 
interact with it. and then adjust the settings in the pop up buttons to the 
right of every choice.

Tc and be blessed.
On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "Henry Miller"  wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi Sarah
> 
> Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
> instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
> Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?
> 
> vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional speech
> verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
> settings there.
> 
> Tc.
> On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
>> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
> Over
>> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
> access
>> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
>> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
>> 
>> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --->
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to
> mac-access@mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum
> at either the list's own dedicated web archive:
>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html>
>> or at the public Mail Archive:
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> that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and
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> strategy.  We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something
> unpredictable happen.
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RE: new member of list with a basic question?

[Henry Miller]

Hi Sarah

Many thanks for your reply.  Unfortunately, I am not understanding your
instructions.  How do I navigate around the screen to reach the options?
Sorry if I appear an idiot, but Mac is a steep learning curve from a PC.

Best wishes

Henry

 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 08 September 2013 20:19
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: new member of list with a basic question?

vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional speech
verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your
settings there.

Tc.
On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller 
wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi All
> 
> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice
Over
> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to
access
> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
> 
> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Henry
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Re: new member of list with a basic question?

[Sarah k Alawami]

vo f8 to open the utility, then cmd numrow 2. then  check additional speech 
verbosity options check box then head over to the table. and modify your 
settings there.

Tc.
On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Henry Miller  wrote:

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> My wife has just bought a mac book pro and is gradually working her way
> through the "getting started guide".  We are trying to customise voice Over
> within the voice over utility and wish to open the Verbosity icon to access
> the settings-although we can navigate around the category headings within
> the table we cannot open verbosity to change settings.  
> 
> Please could someone explain the keystrokes to open Verbosity?
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> Best wishes
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