Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hi Andy, I haven’t noticed this issue on Mac, then. As far as I’m aware you should be able to use the same keyboard commands as you do in other text editing. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hello Andy, When filling in text fields on the web, always interact so that you can use just the arrow keys to navigate as you would anywhere else. And make sure that Quick Nav is off! Cheers, Anne On 3 Nov 2013, at 20:15, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hi Zack and Andy, I suspect the reason that Andy is having issues with the insertion point location and that Zack isn't, is that Andy configured his VoiceOver cursor to behave more like JAWS by changing his VoiceOver Utility configuration. When this discussion came up some months ago, Anne posted the information on how to get VoiceOver to speak text to the right of the cursor instead of its default behavior of announcing the insertion point at its actual position, which is between letters. When you move over existing text for editing purposes, the letters or words that you hear depend on the direction of movement, and it is always the last character or word that you move over that is announced. I haven't switched from the default VoiceOver reporting for the cursor, but I suspect that Andy switched his settings by going to VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity, Text, When moving the cursor: click the button and select Speak text to the right of the cursor. I can imagine that this might lead to his confusion in editing existing text on web pages on the Mac. Not sure what a good solution is if he wants to keep using this setting. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, I haven’t noticed this issue on Mac, then. As far as I’m aware you should be able to use the same keyboard commands as you do in other text editing. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Andy Collins wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hi Esther - Thanks for trying to help, but I decided when I got this Mac to try and learn the Mac way, so I have the text setting in verbosity to speak text the cursor passes over. This works ok in applications, but not on the web for some reason, it's as if the VO cursor and the insertion point are in different places - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 19:46, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Zack and Andy, I suspect the reason that Andy is having issues with the insertion point location and that Zack isn't, is that Andy configured his VoiceOver cursor to behave more like JAWS by changing his VoiceOver Utility configuration. When this discussion came up some months ago, Anne posted the information on how to get VoiceOver to speak text to the right of the cursor instead of its default behavior of announcing the insertion point at its actual position, which is between letters. When you move over existing text for editing purposes, the letters or words that you hear depend on the direction of movement, and it is always the last character or word that you move over that is announced. I haven't switched from the default VoiceOver reporting for the cursor, but I suspect that Andy switched his settings by going to VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity, Text, When moving the cursor: click the button and select Speak text to the right of the cursor. I can imagine that this might lead to his confusion in editing existing text on web pages on the Mac. Not sure what a good solution is if he wants to keep using this setting. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, I haven’t noticed this issue on Mac, then. As far as I’m aware you should be able to use the same keyboard commands as you do in other text editing. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Andy Collins wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hi Anne - Even when I interact and have Quick Nav off, I still have to use VO with the cursor keys to move the cursor. I do find at times that the cursor keys do not always do what I expect, and I have to turn Quick Nav on and off to get them performing correctly again. An example of this can be in the email programme, where I open a message to read, and the cursor keys read the text virtically instead of by line. By this I mean that the letters of each word have been put on separate lines like this: t h i s f o r e x a m p l e After turning Quick Nav on and off, the words revert back to reading line by line. Sometimes when in text fields, VO will say things like insertion point at beginning of text. Perhaps this is something to do with my problem, as when it comes to wanting to add text in an existing text area on a web page, I need the insertion point at the end of what is already there - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 19:40, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, When filling in text fields on the web, always interact so that you can use just the arrow keys to navigate as you would anywhere else. And make sure that Quick Nav is off! Cheers, Anne On 3 Nov 2013, at 20:15, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Andy, It sounds like you may not be interacting with the text box before setting your insertion point and beginning to type. I just tried to replicate using Mavricks but was not able to do so. Just make sure you interact with the text box, and I bet you will get better results. Let us know. Good luck. Rodney Hi Esther - Thanks for trying to help, but I decided when I got this Mac to try and learn the Mac way, so I have the text setting in verbosity to speak text the cursor passes over. This works ok in applications, but not on the web for some reason, it's as if the VO cursor and the insertion point are in different places - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 19:46, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Zack and Andy, I suspect the reason that Andy is having issues with the insertion point location and that Zack isn't, is that Andy configured his VoiceOver cursor to behave more like JAWS by changing his VoiceOver Utility configuration. When this discussion came up some months ago, Anne posted the information on how to get VoiceOver to speak text to the right of the cursor instead of its default behavior of announcing the insertion point at its actual position, which is between letters. When you move over existing text for editing purposes, the letters or words that you hear depend on the direction of movement, and it is always the last character or word that you move over that is announced. I haven't switched from the default VoiceOver reporting for the cursor, but I suspect that Andy switched his settings by going to VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity, Text, When moving the cursor: click the button and select Speak text to the right of the cursor. I can imagine that this might lead to his confusion in editing existing text on web pages on the Mac. Not sure what a good solution is if he wants to keep using this setting. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, I haven’t noticed this issue on Mac, then. As far as I’m aware you should be able to use the same keyboard commands as you do in other text editing. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Andy Collins wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hi Rodney - Thanks. I am in fact interacting. I'll try and explain a bit more. If I do a search on the Google home page, I don't need to interact, I just type in the search terms and VO across to the search button. That works fine. However, I have admin rights to a website that sometimes needs updating by adding text to that that is already there. I VO to the text area, and interract with it, if I didn't, then I wouldn't be able to write any text in there at all. I find the final full stop on the last line of the existing text, and begin to type, but when I check this back, the new text isn't where it should be, and that is why I'm querying the relationship between the VO cursor and the insertion point - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 20:34, Rodney Haynie rodney.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, It sounds like you may not be interacting with the text box before setting your insertion point and beginning to type. I just tried to replicate using Mavricks but was not able to do so. Just make sure you interact with the text box, and I bet you will get better results. Let us know. Good luck. Rodney Hi Esther - Thanks for trying to help, but I decided when I got this Mac to try and learn the Mac way, so I have the text setting in verbosity to speak text the cursor passes over. This works ok in applications, but not on the web for some reason, it's as if the VO cursor and the insertion point are in different places - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 19:46, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Zack and Andy, I suspect the reason that Andy is having issues with the insertion point location and that Zack isn't, is that Andy configured his VoiceOver cursor to behave more like JAWS by changing his VoiceOver Utility configuration. When this discussion came up some months ago, Anne posted the information on how to get VoiceOver to speak text to the right of the cursor instead of its default behavior of announcing the insertion point at its actual position, which is between letters. When you move over existing text for editing purposes, the letters or words that you hear depend on the direction of movement, and it is always the last character or word that you move over that is announced. I haven't switched from the default VoiceOver reporting for the cursor, but I suspect that Andy switched his settings by going to VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity, Text, When moving the cursor: click the button and select Speak text to the right of the cursor. I can imagine that this might lead to his confusion in editing existing text on web pages on the Mac. Not sure what a good solution is if he wants to keep using this setting. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, I haven’t noticed this issue on Mac, then. As far as I’m aware you should be able to use the same keyboard commands as you do in other text editing. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Andy Collins wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Andy, It sounds as if you might be dealing with what we could call a rich edit control. Are their many toolbars, etc, for things like text formatting prior to your actual text field? If so, I suggest pressing the tab key once or twice beforehand, which should bring your browser’s focus to the text area and let you use normal cursor keys to move things around. The handling of these kinds of controls could be better. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Rodney - Thanks. I am in fact interacting. I'll try and explain a bit more. If I do a search on the Google home page, I don't need to interact, I just type in the search terms and VO across to the search button. That works fine. However, I have admin rights to a website that sometimes needs updating by adding text to that that is already there. I VO to the text area, and interract with it, if I didn't, then I wouldn't be able to write any text in there at all. I find the final full stop on the last line of the existing text, and begin to type, but when I check this back, the new text isn't where it should be, and that is why I'm querying the relationship between the VO cursor and the insertion point - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 20:34, Rodney Haynie rodney.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, It sounds like you may not be interacting with the text box before setting your insertion point and beginning to type. I just tried to replicate using Mavricks but was not able to do so. Just make sure you interact with the text box, and I bet you will get better results. Let us know. Good luck. Rodney Hi Esther - Thanks for trying to help, but I decided when I got this Mac to try and learn the Mac way, so I have the text setting in verbosity to speak text the cursor passes over. This works ok in applications, but not on the web for some reason, it's as if the VO cursor and the insertion point are in different places - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 19:46, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Zack and Andy, I suspect the reason that Andy is having issues with the insertion point location and that Zack isn't, is that Andy configured his VoiceOver cursor to behave more like JAWS by changing his VoiceOver Utility configuration. When this discussion came up some months ago, Anne posted the information on how to get VoiceOver to speak text to the right of the cursor instead of its default behavior of announcing the insertion point at its actual position, which is between letters. When you move over existing text for editing purposes, the letters or words that you hear depend on the direction of movement, and it is always the last character or word that you move over that is announced. I haven't switched from the default VoiceOver reporting for the cursor, but I suspect that Andy switched his settings by going to VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity, Text, When moving the cursor: click the button and select Speak text to the right of the cursor. I can imagine that this might lead to his confusion in editing existing text on web pages on the Mac. Not sure what a good solution is if he wants to keep using this setting. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, I haven’t noticed this issue on Mac, then. As far as I’m aware you should be able to use the same keyboard commands as you do in other text editing. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Andy Collins wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to an existing text field on a web page. I want to just continue from the last sentence, but even though with VO it looks like I am in the right place, after I enter the text, it appears at the top of the screen, above the existing text. I imagine I need to change a setting for the insertion point, but don't know where to look for this. Thanks - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own
Re: How to change where the insertion point is when entering text
Hi Zack - It is a bit of a messy page, with a menu pain and the main pain. I have encountered what you are talking about when using the Wordpress website, and I've had to use the tab key to get to the right area for text, this is after interacting first, so I know about that one, but it doesn't but the text in the wrong place, it's more that I have to do a double interact to get to the correct area. But I'll have a look at using the tab key when back on this troublesome website, so thanks for the idea - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 21:20, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Andy, It sounds as if you might be dealing with what we could call a rich edit control. Are their many toolbars, etc, for things like text formatting prior to your actual text field? If so, I suggest pressing the tab key once or twice beforehand, which should bring your browser’s focus to the text area and let you use normal cursor keys to move things around. The handling of these kinds of controls could be better. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi Rodney - Thanks. I am in fact interacting. I'll try and explain a bit more. If I do a search on the Google home page, I don't need to interact, I just type in the search terms and VO across to the search button. That works fine. However, I have admin rights to a website that sometimes needs updating by adding text to that that is already there. I VO to the text area, and interract with it, if I didn't, then I wouldn't be able to write any text in there at all. I find the final full stop on the last line of the existing text, and begin to type, but when I check this back, the new text isn't where it should be, and that is why I'm querying the relationship between the VO cursor and the insertion point - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 20:34, Rodney Haynie rodney.hay...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, It sounds like you may not be interacting with the text box before setting your insertion point and beginning to type. I just tried to replicate using Mavricks but was not able to do so. Just make sure you interact with the text box, and I bet you will get better results. Let us know. Good luck. Rodney Hi Esther - Thanks for trying to help, but I decided when I got this Mac to try and learn the Mac way, so I have the text setting in verbosity to speak text the cursor passes over. This works ok in applications, but not on the web for some reason, it's as if the VO cursor and the insertion point are in different places - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 19:46, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Zack and Andy, I suspect the reason that Andy is having issues with the insertion point location and that Zack isn't, is that Andy configured his VoiceOver cursor to behave more like JAWS by changing his VoiceOver Utility configuration. When this discussion came up some months ago, Anne posted the information on how to get VoiceOver to speak text to the right of the cursor instead of its default behavior of announcing the insertion point at its actual position, which is between letters. When you move over existing text for editing purposes, the letters or words that you hear depend on the direction of movement, and it is always the last character or word that you move over that is announced. I haven't switched from the default VoiceOver reporting for the cursor, but I suspect that Andy switched his settings by going to VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity, Text, When moving the cursor: click the button and select Speak text to the right of the cursor. I can imagine that this might lead to his confusion in editing existing text on web pages on the Mac. Not sure what a good solution is if he wants to keep using this setting. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, I haven’t noticed this issue on Mac, then. As far as I’m aware you should be able to use the same keyboard commands as you do in other text editing. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Andy Collins wrote: Zack - Sorry, but I'm meaning when using a Mac. I find the final fullstop, and begin typing after it, only to find the text has been put in front of what was there instead of following it. This isn't an issue when writing mail or using text editor, but is when using certain text fields on the web - Andy On 3 Nov 2013, at 18:59, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Andy, You need to double tap on the text field, and generally use the rotor to navigate to wherever you want to continue typing. Note that this was made a bit harder under iOS 7, as VO seems to move in text fields if you accidentally tap them. I presume you’re talking about iOS here, and not mac. :) Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - Having a problem when needing to insert extra text in to
