Re: Navigating to the end of word
David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com I think I can answer my own question. You do indeed have to turn off the option for voiceover to read the word or character to the right. This is a feature which was introduced to make VO more familiar to Windows Screen Readers but I now now know that it has serious limitation. If you turn this off VO will travel obediently to the end of a word rather than jumping over line breaks punctuation and spaces to the next word. I will try and get used to the default way of editing documents with the cursor passing over either side of characters and words. , at 14:43, David Griffith wrote: How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or Voiceover commands? I know that option right and left arrow will navigate word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word. The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake. So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and needed to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take me to the next word which is actually my name David. However it is a period, 3 carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word transformer. Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t of transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of transformer. I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought that this makes a difference. David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Navigating to the end of word
Hi all, I've wondered this as David but he has raised a point, how do I set VO to read one side of the cursor as presently mine seems to read one then the another at another time. Also, is there a key on the macbook to delete character to the right of the cursor? Many thanks Roger - Original Message - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Navigating to the end of word How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or Voiceover commands? I know that option right and left arrow will navigate word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word. The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake. So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and needed to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take me to the next word which is actually my name David. However it is a period, 3 carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word transformer. Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t of transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of transformer. I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought that this makes a difference. David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Navigating to the end of word
You do this via the voice over utilities. I believe it is under speech but I migrated my settings from snl when I did my lion install so I cannot be of much help lol! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Roger Woolgrove wrote: Hi all, I've wondered this as David but he has raised a point, how do I set VO to read one side of the cursor as presently mine seems to read one then the another at another time. Also, is there a key on the macbook to delete character to the right of the cursor? Many thanks Roger - Original Message - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Navigating to the end of word How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or Voiceover commands? I know that option right and left arrow will navigate word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word. The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake. So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and needed to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take me to the next word which is actually my name David. However it is a period, 3 carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word transformer. Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t of transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of transformer. I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought that this makes a difference. David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Navigating to the end of word
Hi Roger, VoiceOver's default behavior is to read the character you just navigated past, so if you're using your right arrow key to navigate, then the character read out is to the left of the cursor, and if you were using your left arrow key to navigate, this would be the character to the right of the cursor. The same thing applies to navigating by words. If I use Option+Right arrow to move over the phrase Hi Roger by pressing the Option key and tapping my Right arrow key, the first tap will give me Hi and the second tap will give me Roger. At that point, my insertion point is just after the final r in Roger. If I now continue to press the Option key and tap the Left arrow key, I'll hear Roger, and a second tap will produce Hi. My insertion point is just before the initial letter H in Hi. Tapping the Right arrow key gives me H, and places my insertion point just after the initial letter H. If I were to tap the Left arrow key, I'd also hear H, as my cursor traverses the letter in the opposite direction, moving to the left from just after the letter to just before the letter. On Mac laptops, the way to perform a forward delete of the character to the right of the insertion point is to press Fn+Delete. Also, although most of the same keyboard combinations for moving and editing that you use for text on the Mac will also work using Bluetooth keyboards paired to iOS devices, because the Fn key is not enabled for use under iOS, you'd have to forward delete characters by selecting them and then pressing the Delete key. Specifically, hold down the shift key and tap your right arrow to select one or more characters, then press the Delete key. For example, let's say I wanted to change the phrase: show this is true to change it to how is this true and my insertion point is before the s in show. I'd press the Shift key to start my selection, then tap the Right arrow key to select the s. Than I would press the delete key. Of course, you can also continue to select words, lines, and characters while still holding down the Shift key, before pressing the delete key to delete all your selected text. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Dec 7, 2011, at 05:26, Roger Woolgrove wrote: Hi all, I've wondered this as David but he has raised a point, how do I set VO to read one side of the cursor as presently mine seems to read one then the another at another time. Also, is there a key on the macbook to delete character to the right of the cursor? Many thanks Roger - Original Message - From: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:43 PM Subject: Navigating to the end of word How is it possible to navigate to the end of a word using either Mac OS or Voiceover commands? I know that option right and left arrow will navigate word by word but the focus always seems to be at the beginning of a word. The problem is that this function ignores spaces punctuation and line brake. So for example I have been trying to edit a document in text edit and needed to edit the end of transformer. Pressing option right arrow will take me to the next word which is actually my name David. However it is a period, 3 carriage returns and several spaces beyond the end of the word transformer. Pressing option left arrow will jump me back to the beginning t of transformer but where I want to be is on the final r of transformer. I halve VO set to read character to the right but would not have thought that this makes a difference. David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
