Re: Safari questions
Well most of us have been in the same place, and will be so again at some point if we are all honest with ourselves. Might be matters of different apps and problems, but we've all been where you are. On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Margaret Booth wrote: I happen to agree with you all. Esther has been a great help to me as well as others on this list like Sarah. I am very grateful that everyone is patient and answers all of my questions. Margaret -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christo Thiardt Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012 7:56 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Safari questions Hello I entirely agree with Gordon. As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products: Esther has been a God sent! Thank you Esther and all . Christo On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote: Isn't she wonderful? I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her. Heartfelt thanks G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote: Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others, I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item to include category. For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their Campaign of the Month, I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then quickly type c a m to filter results in the menu for elements that match those letters, then quickly type l i n k to further filter those results for links. If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type b u t instead for the second match. By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, and I can arrow down to the match and press either Return or use VO-Space to be taken to my selection. Remember that item chooser menu only navigates you to an element. If there's a link or button that you're trying to activate yo u still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press. If you decide to amend your item chooser search terms, press the Delete key and start typing again. Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help find things. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either
Re: Safari questions
To all, I thank you so very much for all your help. I am indeed thankful, so can I ask some more questions? (grin) To you, Esther, I agree with all who have said that your knowledge and willingness to share it are absolutely phenomenal. Thank you and thank you all. kristeen On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote: Well most of us have been in the same place, and will be so again at some point if we are all honest with ourselves. Might be matters of different apps and problems, but we've all been where you are. On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Margaret Booth wrote: I happen to agree with you all. Esther has been a great help to me as well as others on this list like Sarah. I am very grateful that everyone is patient and answers all of my questions. Margaret -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christo Thiardt Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012 7:56 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Safari questions Hello I entirely agree with Gordon. As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products: Esther has been a God sent! Thank you Esther and all . Christo On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote: Isn't she wonderful? I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her. Heartfelt thanks G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote: Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others, I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item to include category. For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their Campaign of the Month, I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then quickly type c a m to filter results in the menu for elements that match those letters, then quickly type l i n k to further filter those results for links. If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type b u t instead for the second match. By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, and I can arrow down to the match and press either Return or use VO-Space to be taken to my selection. Remember that item chooser menu only navigates you to an element. If there's a link or button that you're trying to activate yo u still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press. If you decide to amend your item chooser search terms, press the Delete key and start typing again. Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help find things. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your
RE: Safari questions
I happen to agree with you all. Esther has been a great help to me as well as others on this list like Sarah. I am very grateful that everyone is patient and answers all of my questions. Margaret -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christo Thiardt Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012 7:56 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Safari questions Hello I entirely agree with Gordon. As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products: Esther has been a God sent! Thank you Esther and all . Christo On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote: Isn't she wonderful? I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her. Heartfelt thanks G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote: Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others, I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item to include category. For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their Campaign of the Month, I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then quickly type c a m to filter results in the menu for elements that match those letters, then quickly type l i n k to further filter those results for links. If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type b u t instead for the second match. By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, and I can arrow down to the match and press either Return or use VO-Space to be taken to my selection. Remember that item chooser menu only navigates you to an element. If there's a link or button that you're trying to activate yo u still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press. If you decide to amend your item chooser search terms, press the Delete key and start typing again. Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help find things. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari questions
In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow. If it's a link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by interacting you can get it letter by letter. As for the other questions, don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating instead. On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: I know I'm pestering all of you folks and making you think, but now that there is no PC, I have to learn some of the things that I was putting off. I do try and find the answers by looking, but sometimes it doesn't seem to work for me. If you are reading a link or any text for that matter, is there any way to see what you are reading letter by letter or word by word? Also, I am very frustrated by the find feature. When I use command+f it finds what I want wonderfully, but then it won't let me go there. And, is there a quick command for finding the next occurrence of something you've already searched for? Thanks. Kristeen Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari questions
I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and third press by phonetic spelling. It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow. Hope this helps G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote: In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow. If it's a link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by interacting you can get it letter by letter. As for the other questions, don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating instead. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari questions
That would do it, thanks for the reminder, had forgotten about do that, makes it a lot more simple huh? On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote: I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and third press by phonetic spelling. It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow. Hope this helps G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote: In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow. If it's a link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by interacting you can get it letter by letter. As for the other questions, don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating instead. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari questions
Thank you. It helped a lot. Kristeen On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote: I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and third press by phonetic spelling. It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow. Hope this helps G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote: In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow. If it's a link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by interacting you can get it letter by letter. As for the other questions, don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating instead. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari questions
Hi Kristeen, One tool that may help with searching is the item chooser (VO-i). Its functionality seems to have been abated in Lion, but its remains a way to quickly skip to elements on the web and elsewhere. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Kristeen Hughes To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Safari questions Thank you. It helped a lot. Kristeen On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote: I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and third press by phonetic spelling. It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow. Hope this helps G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote: In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow. If it's a link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by interacting you can get it letter by letter. As for the other questions, don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating instead. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari questions
Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others, I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item to include category. For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their Campaign of the Month, I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then quickly type c a m to filter results in the menu for elements that match those letters, then quickly type l i n k to further filter those results for links. If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type b u t instead for the second match. By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, and I can arrow down to the match and press either Return or use VO-Space to be taken to my selection. Remember that item chooser menu only navigates you to an element. If there's a link or button that you're trying to activate you still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press. If you decide to amend your item chooser search terms, press the Delete key and start typing again. Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help find things. Geoff, in what regards do feel item chooser's functionality has been abated in Lion? Also, which web item rotor settings do people find most helpful to use/add? (From the experience on the iPhone, surprisingly, images are very useful for navigation on the iOS screens). Cheers, Esther On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:48 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: Hi Kristeen, One tool that may help with searching is the item chooser (VO-i). Its functionality seems to have been abated in Lion, but its remains a way to quickly skip to elements on the web and elsewhere. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Kristeen Hughes To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Safari questions Thank you. It helped a lot. Kristeen On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote: I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and third press by phonetic spelling. It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow. Hope this helps G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote: In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow. If it's a link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by interacting you can get it letter by letter. As for the other questions, don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating instead. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Safari questions
To navigate letter-by-letter, use vo-shift-left/right arrow. That will move you a character at a time, as long as you're already interacting with the item in question. hth. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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Isn't she wonderful? I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her. Heartfelt thanks G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote: Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others, I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item to include category. For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their Campaign of the Month, I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then quickly type c a m to filter results in the menu for elements that match those letters, then quickly type l i n k to further filter those results for links. If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type b u t instead for the second match. By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, and I can arrow down to the match and press either Return or use VO-Space to be taken to my selection. Remember that item chooser menu only navigates you to an element. If there's a link or button that you're trying to activate yo u still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press. If you decide to amend your item chooser search terms, press the Delete key and start typing again. Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help find things. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
