Re: Safari questions

[Kristeen Hughes]

To all,
I thank you so very much for all your help. I am indeed thankful, so can I ask 
some more questions? (grin)

To you, Esther, I agree with all who have said that your knowledge and 
willingness to share it are absolutely phenomenal. Thank you and thank you all.

kristeen

On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote:

> Well most of us have been in the same place, and will be so again at some 
> point if we are all honest with ourselves.  Might be matters of different 
> apps and problems, but we've all been where you are.  
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Margaret Booth wrote:
> 
>> I happen to agree with you all. Esther has been a great help to me as well
>> as others on this list like Sarah. I am very grateful that everyone is
>> patient and answers all of my questions. 
>> 
>> Margaret 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christo Thiardt
>> Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012 7:56 PM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Safari questions
>> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> I entirely agree with Gordon.
>> 
>> As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products:  Esther has been a
>> God sent!
>> 
>> Thank  you Esther and all .
>> 
>> Christo
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote:
>> 
>>> Isn't she wonderful?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a
>> BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her.
>>> 
>>> Heartfelt thanks
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
>>> On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others,
>>>> 
>>>> I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for
>> both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A
>> nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an
>> item to include category.  For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a
>> web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their
>> "Campaign of the Month", I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then
>> quickly type "c a m" to filter results in the menu for elements that match
>> those letters, then quickly type "l i n k" to further filter those results
>> for links.  If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type "b u t" instead
>> for the second match.  By then, there are only a few matches on the menu,
>> and I can arrow down to the match and press either "Return" or use VO-Space
>> to be taken to my selection.  Remember that item chooser menu only navigates
>> you to an element.  If there's a link or button that you're trying to
>> activate yo
>>> u 
>>>> still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press.  If you decide
>> to amend your item chooser search terms, press the "Delete" key and start
>> typing again.  Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help
>> find things.
>>>> 
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Re: Safari questions

[Thomas McMahan]

Well most of us have been in the same place, and will be so again at some point 
if we are all honest with ourselves.  Might be matters of different apps and 
problems, but we've all been where you are.  
On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Margaret Booth wrote:

> I happen to agree with you all. Esther has been a great help to me as well
> as others on this list like Sarah. I am very grateful that everyone is
> patient and answers all of my questions. 
> 
> Margaret 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christo Thiardt
> Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012 7:56 PM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Safari questions
> 
> Hello
> 
> I entirely agree with Gordon.
> 
> As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products:  Esther has been a
> God sent!
> 
> Thank  you Esther and all .
> 
> Christo
> 
> 
> On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote:
> 
>> Isn't she wonderful?
>> 
>> 
>> I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a
> BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her.
>> 
>> Heartfelt thanks
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
>> On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others,
>>> 
>>> I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for
> both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A
> nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an
> item to include category.  For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a
> web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their
> "Campaign of the Month", I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then
> quickly type "c a m" to filter results in the menu for elements that match
> those letters, then quickly type "l i n k" to further filter those results
> for links.  If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type "b u t" instead
> for the second match.  By then, there are only a few matches on the menu,
> and I can arrow down to the match and press either "Return" or use VO-Space
> to be taken to my selection.  Remember that item chooser menu only navigates
> you to an element.  If there's a link or button that you're trying to
> activate yo
>> u 
>>> still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press.  If you decide
> to amend your item chooser search terms, press the "Delete" key and start
> typing again.  Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help
> find things.
>>> 
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RE: Safari questions

[Margaret Booth]

I happen to agree with you all. Esther has been a great help to me as well
as others on this list like Sarah. I am very grateful that everyone is
patient and answers all of my questions. 

Margaret 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christo Thiardt
Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012 7:56 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Safari questions

Hello

I entirely agree with Gordon.

As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products:  Esther has been a
God sent!

Thank  you Esther and all .

Christo


On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote:

> Isn't she wonderful?
> 
> 
> I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a
BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her.
> 
> Heartfelt thanks
> 
> G
> 
> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
> On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others,
>> 
>> I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for
both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A
nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an
item to include category.  For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a
web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their
"Campaign of the Month", I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then
quickly type "c a m" to filter results in the menu for elements that match
those letters, then quickly type "l i n k" to further filter those results
for links.  If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type "b u t" instead
for the second match.  By then, there are only a few matches on the menu,
and I can arrow down to the match and press either "Return" or use VO-Space
to be taken to my selection.  Remember that item chooser menu only navigates
you to an element.  If there's a link or button that you're trying to
activate yo
> u 
>> still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press.  If you decide
to amend your item chooser search terms, press the "Delete" key and start
typing again.  Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help
find things.
>> 
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Re: Safari questions

[Thomas McMahan]

Even for those who aren't novices she is.  

On Feb 16, 2012, at 2:56 AM, Christo Thiardt wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I entirely agree with Gordon.
> 
> As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products:  Esther has been a 
> God sent!
> 
> Thank  you Esther and all …
> 
> Christo
> 
> 
> On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote:
> 
>> Isn't she wonderful?
>> 
>> 
>> I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a 
>> BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her.
>> 
>> Heartfelt thanks
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
>> On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others,
>>> 
>>> I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for 
>>> both current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). 
>>> A nice feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for 
>>> an item to include category.  For example, if I'm using item chooser menu 
>>> on a web page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for 
>>> their "Campaign of the Month", I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser 
>>> menu, then quickly type "c a m" to filter results in the menu for elements 
>>> that match those letters, then quickly type "l i n k" to further filter 
>>> those results for links.  If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type 
>>> "b u t" instead for the second match.  By then, there are only a few 
>>> matches on the menu, and I can arrow down to the match and press either 
>>> "Return" or use VO-Space to be taken to my selection.  Remember that item 
>>> chooser menu only navigates you to an element.  If there's a link or button 
>>> that you're trying to activate yo
>> u 
>>> still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press.  If you decide 
>>> to amend your item chooser search terms, press the "Delete" key and start 
>>> typing again.  Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help 
>>> find things.
>>> 
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Re: Safari questions

[Christo Thiardt]

Hello

I entirely agree with Gordon.

As a complete novice with Mac and other Apple products:  Esther has been a God 
sent!

Thank  you Esther and all …

Christo


On 15 Feb 2012, at 19:15, Gordon Keen wrote:

> Isn't she wonderful?
> 
> 
> I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a 
> BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her.
> 
> Heartfelt thanks
> 
> G
> 
> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
> On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others,
>> 
>> I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both 
>> current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice 
>> feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item 
>> to include category.  For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web 
>> page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their 
>> "Campaign of the Month", I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then 
>> quickly type "c a m" to filter results in the menu for elements that match 
>> those letters, then quickly type "l i n k" to further filter those results 
>> for links.  If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type "b u t" instead 
>> for the second match.  By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, 
>> and I can arrow down to the match and press either "Return" or use VO-Space 
>> to be taken to my selection.  Remember that item chooser menu only navigates 
>> you to an element.  If there's a link or button that you're trying to 
>> activate yo
> u 
>> still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press.  If you decide to 
>> amend your item chooser search terms, press the "Delete" key and start 
>> typing again.  Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help 
>> find things.
>> 
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Re: Safari questions

[Gordon Keen]

Isn't she wonderful?


I've learnt so much from Esther's helpful posts, it's a pity there's not a 
BAFTA, Golden Globe or Oscar we can award her.

Heartfelt thanks

G

>From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
On 15 Feb 2012, at 17:20, Esther wrote:

> Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others,
> 
> I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both 
> current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice 
> feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item 
> to include category.  For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web 
> page like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their 
> "Campaign of the Month", I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then 
> quickly type "c a m" to filter results in the menu for elements that match 
> those letters, then quickly type "l i n k" to further filter those results 
> for links.  If I'm looking for a button I might quickly type "b u t" instead 
> for the second match.  By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, and 
> I can arrow down to the match and press either "Return" or use VO-Space to be 
> taken to my selection.  Remember that item chooser menu only navigates you to 
> an element.  If there's a link or button that you're trying to activate yo
 u 
> still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press.  If you decide to 
> amend your item chooser search terms, press the "Delete" key and start typing 
> again.  Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help find 
> things.
> 

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Re: Safari questions

[Travis Siegel]

To navigate letter-by-letter, use vo-shift-left/right arrow.  That  
will move you a character at a time, as long as you're already  
interacting with the item in question.

hth.
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Re: Safari questions

[Esther]

Hi Geoff, Kristeen, Gordon, and Others,

I still use item chooser menu a lot, especially since it works well for both 
current and earlier versions of Mac OS X (all the way back to Tiger). A nice 
feature of item chooser menu is that you can refine your search for an item to 
include category.  For example, if I'm using item chooser menu on a web page 
like the one for Applevis, and I want to find the links for their "Campaign of 
the Month", I can type VO-I to bring up item chooser menu, then quickly type "c 
a m" to filter results in the menu for elements that match those letters, then 
quickly type "l i n k" to further filter those results for links.  If I'm 
looking for a button I might quickly type "b u t" instead for the second match. 
 By then, there are only a few matches on the menu, and I can arrow down to the 
match and press either "Return" or use VO-Space to be taken to my selection.  
Remember that item chooser menu only navigates you to an element.  If there's a 
link or button that you're trying to activate you 
 still need to do another VO-Space, etc. to actually press.  If you decide to 
amend your item chooser search terms, press the "Delete" key and start typing 
again.  Item chooser menu is a simple yet very powerful tool to help find 
things.

Geoff, in what regards do feel item chooser's functionality has been abated in 
Lion?  Also, which web item rotor settings do people find most helpful to 
use/add?  (From the experience on the iPhone, surprisingly, images are very 
useful for navigation on the iOS screens).

Cheers,

Esther


On Feb 15, 2012, at 6:48 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Hi Kristeen,
> 
> One tool that may help with searching is the item chooser (VO-i).  Its 
> functionality seems to have been abated in Lion, but its remains a way to 
> quickly skip to elements on the web and elsewhere.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Kristeen Hughes 
>  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:49 AM
>  Subject: Re: Safari questions
> 
> 
>  Thank you. It helped a lot.
> 
>  Kristeen
> 
>  On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote:
> 
>> I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus 
>> w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and 
>> third press by phonetic spelling.
>> 
>> It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with 
>> vo plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.  
>> On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote:
>> 
>>> In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it 
>>> is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow.  If 
>>> it's a link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it 
>>> over into a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar 
>>> itself, then by interacting you can get it letter by letter.  As for the 
>>> other questions, don't know because I don't use the find very often simply 
>>> because I want to be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will 
>>> put up with navigating instead.
>> 

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Re: Safari questions

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Kristeen,

One tool that may help with searching is the item chooser (VO-i).  Its 
functionality seems to have been abated in Lion, but its remains a way to 
quickly skip to elements on the web and elsewhere.

Best regards.
Geoff

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kristeen Hughes 
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:49 AM
  Subject: Re: Safari questions


  Thank you. It helped a lot.

  Kristeen

  On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote:

  > I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo 
plus w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character 
and third press by phonetic spelling.
  > 
  > It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with 
vo plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow.
  > 
  > Hope this helps
  > 
  > G
  > 
  > From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.  
  > On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote:
  > 
  >> In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it 
is is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow.  If it's a 
link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a 
new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by 
interacting you can get it letter by letter.  As for the other questions, don't 
know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at 
where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating instead.
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Re: Safari questions

[Kristeen Hughes]

Thank you. It helped a lot.

Kristeen

On Feb 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote:

> I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus 
> w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and 
> third press by phonetic spelling.
> 
> It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo 
> plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> G
> 
> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.  
> On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote:
> 
>> In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is 
>> is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow.  If it's a 
>> link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into 
>> a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then 
>> by interacting you can get it letter by letter.  As for the other questions, 
>> don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to 
>> be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with 
>> navigating instead.
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Re: Safari questions

[Thomas McMahan]

That would do it, thanks for the reminder, had forgotten about do that, makes 
it a lot more simple huh?

On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:58 AM, Gordon Keen wrote:

> I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus 
> w toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and 
> third press by phonetic spelling.
> 
> It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo 
> plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> G
> 
> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.  
> On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote:
> 
>> In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is 
>> is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow.  If it's a 
>> link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into 
>> a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then 
>> by interacting you can get it letter by letter.  As for the other questions, 
>> don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to 
>> be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with 
>> navigating instead.
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Re: Safari questions

[Gordon Keen]

I would also suggest that once interacting with the link you use the vo plus w 
toggle to read on the first press the word, second press by character and third 
press by phonetic spelling.

It is also very useful to explore the potential of the web item rotor with vo 
plus u then moving the options with vo plus right arrow.

Hope this helps

G

>From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.  
On 15 Feb 2012, at 10:37, Thomas McMahan wrote:

> In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is 
> is text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow.  If it's a 
> link though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into 
> a new document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then 
> by interacting you can get it letter by letter.  As for the other questions, 
> don't know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to 
> be at where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating 
> instead.

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Re: Safari questions

[Thomas McMahan]

In answer to your first question, yes v o shift down thus interact, if it is is 
text then you can read letter by letter with v o right arrow.  If it's a link 
though, no, so if you want the letters of a link then copy it over into a new 
document or in a new mail, unless it's in the address bar itself, then by 
interacting you can get it letter by letter.  As for the other questions, don't 
know because I don't use the find very often simply because I want to be at 
where I am hearing what is spoken anyway so will put up with navigating 
instead.  
On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

> I know I'm pestering all of you folks and making you think, but now that 
> there is no PC, I have to learn some of the things that I was putting off. I 
> do try and find the answers by looking, but sometimes it doesn't seem to work 
> for me.
> 
> If you are reading a link or any text for that matter, is there any way to 
> see what you are reading letter by letter or word by word?
> 
> Also, I am very frustrated by the find feature. When I use command+f it finds 
> what I want wonderfully, but then it won't let me go there. And, is there a 
> quick command for finding the next occurrence of something you've already 
> searched for?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> Kristeen Hughes
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