Re: Why VoiceOver is cool for the sighted
Hello Ed Speaking as a visually abled person, (I hate the term Sighted, I found a lot of his comments extremely odd. I was actually tempted to leave a comment or two on MacWorld but thought better of it. This person clearly has absolutely no perception of what VoiceOver is, what it can do and how it can help even those of us with vision. My own vision is excellent, according to the opticians I visit once a year for an eye test. Nevertheless I still find VoiceOver a valuable and useful tool. Yes, the appearance does take on a more graphical form without VoiceOver and yes, it does sometimes slow one down when VoiceOver is present. But those are just small considerations and once you get used to it the overall effect is actually quite pleasant and the tools that you have available are quite easy to use. So in summary I would say that the author of this article really needs to be educated. Vision impairment does not, nor should it ever, make it necessary for those of us with vision to work in a totally different environment, I often work alongside Gordon, who needs VoiceOver. But it really doesn't present a problem to me. It's just a little different, that's all. Lynne On 2 Jun 2012, at 17:23, Ed Worrell blindworr...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with you, this article isn't that usefull for anyone, he just jumps to a bunch of assumtions what is useful to the sighted. Forgranted my wife doesn't use Voiceover unless I have questions, but she doesn't find things like character navigation or rotor settings useless, thats the way we do things that the sighted users can do by looking at the screen, my wife wishes she had some of the rotor options available to the sighted too. Pourly researched article. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Why VoiceOver is cool for the sighted
Yes that is what I do just wondered if there was so meting else. On 2012-06-03, at 8:55 PM, Timothy J. Meloy wrote: I know one thing you could do is have voice over set not to come on automatically. Or you could turn it off when your sighted friend is using the computer by using the command F5 key stroke to toggle VO on and off. HTH T.J. On Jun 3, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan wrote: I am curious if there is things to do with voice over so a sighted person can use the computer at the same time if helping someone etc. My sighted friends get annoyed with voice over. Thanks. Lovette On 2012-06-03, at 7:11 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello Ed Speaking as a visually abled person, (I hate the term Sighted, I found a lot of his comments extremely odd. I was actually tempted to leave a comment or two on MacWorld but thought better of it. This person clearly has absolutely no perception of what VoiceOver is, what it can do and how it can help even those of us with vision. My own vision is excellent, according to the opticians I visit once a year for an eye test. Nevertheless I still find VoiceOver a valuable and useful tool. Yes, the appearance does take on a more graphical form without VoiceOver and yes, it does sometimes slow one down when VoiceOver is present. But those are just small considerations and once you get used to it the overall effect is actually quite pleasant and the tools that you have available are quite easy to use. So in summary I would say that the author of this article really needs to be educated. Vision impairment does not, nor should it ever, make it necessary for those of us with vision to work in a totally different environment, I often work alongside Gordon, who needs VoiceOver. But it really doesn't present a problem to me. It's just a little different, that's all. Lynne On 2 Jun 2012, at 17:23, Ed Worrell blindworr...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with you, this article isn't that usefull for anyone, he just jumps to a bunch of assumptions what is useful to the sighted. Forgranted my wife doesn't use Voiceover unless I have questions, but she doesn't find things like character navigation or rotor settings useless, thats the way we do things that the sighted users can do by looking at the screen, my wife wishes she had some of the rotor options available to the sighted too. Pourly researched article. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's
Re: Why VoiceOver is cool for the sighted
I agree with you, this article isn't that usefull for anyone, he just jumps to a bunch of assumtions what is useful to the sighted. Forgranted my wife doesn't use Voiceover unless I have questions, but she doesn't find things like character navigation or rotor settings useless, thats the way we do things that the sighted users can do by looking at the screen, my wife wishes she had some of the rotor options available to the sighted too. Pourly researched article. Ed --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Why VoiceOver is cool for the sighted
I haven't read the link but I want to add something. As far as the iPad goes, my sighted daughter uses VoiceOver with the screen curtain off in iBooks. She has the speed set to the slowest setting, and she listens and reads whatever book she's interested in. (Currently, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.) She also uses it when she wants to play iFarkle, which is a dice game. This is a almost eight-year-old girl who has been raised with braille and screen readers of one sort or another around from birth. She thinks VoiceOver is cool. She, like me, is mad though because the games like Touch Cats (wher eyou can care for a virtual pet) aren't accessible once you adopt the pet. Yes, I know, it's a silly thing to do, but I've always wanted one of those. :) So there's how my sighted kid uses VoiceOver on the iPad. She doesn't use it on the Mac Mini--she hardly uses that right now--but she likes having the screen reader on the iPad. (Besides, she knows she has to leave it set so I can toggle it on or off any time to check on her!) Jane On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:21 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all here is a link to an article on why VoiceOver is cool for the sighted. http://decadentwaste.net/2011/03/navigate-using-a-bluetooth-keyboard-on-your-ios-device/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Why VoiceOver is cool for the sighted
Hello Chris Speaking as somebody with vision, this article came across to me as really patronising to those without vision. He makes a lot of assumptions regarding what is and what is not useful to those of us with sight. It seems obvious to me that this person is not interested in the least in accessibility and definitely has no idea of what being vision impaired really means. Yes, he's sort of promoting VoiceOver; but I think he's done nothing to persuade the visually abled community to take it seriously. I'm biassed, of course, because I have a visually impaired spouse. Nevertheless, I do not believe this article is particularly helpful. OK, he lists a few gestures and commands; but really he seems to be under the impression that VoiceOver is just a toy. He makes a lot of assertions that various functions are useless to the non-vision impaired. I take issue with a lot of them. I have full vision but still find VoiceOver to be an incredibly useful tool under both iOS and Mac OS. Lynne On 1 Jun 2012, at 22:21, chris hallsworth chris.hallswo...@techno-chat.net wrote: Hello all here is a link to an article on why VoiceOver is cool for the sighted. http://decadentwaste.net/2011/03/navigate-using-a-bluetooth-keyboard-on-your-ios-device/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
