Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Laurie Mehta]

Actually, those with vision report that if you turn screen curtain on in a 
darkened room you can easily see that there is light still on. Chris's 
explanation seems consistent with this observation.

On the other hand, I have had great battery life on my MacBookAir just keeping 
the screen brightness and keyboard brightness down to zero when using it on 
battery. This can be done by:
turn the screen brightness down by pressing and holding the F1 key (increase 
brightness by pressing and holding F2) 
and decrease the keyboard backlight to zero by pressing and holding down the F5 
key.

To share my own experience, I can use my Air which is several years old now for 
about 4 hours on battery.

I have not paid enough attention to my typical battery life on my iPod to make 
it worth trying to share that, though.

HTH,
Laurie

On Sat, 5/10/14, Glenn  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone
 To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
 Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014, 11:41 AM
 
 Chris,
 I believe that the screen curtain turns off the back-light,
 thus making it 
 black, like it is when there is no power to the phone.
 There is no "black" in terms of pixels, there are colored
 pixels that get 
 back-light, or no light behind them, thus causing
 blackness.
 Glenn
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 10:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone
 
 
 Bryan, I might be wrong on this, so please don't quote me
 here, but if I am
 understanding things correctly, I don't think it saves
 battery life, and
 here's why more specifically:
 
 All that really happens notably when you enable the screen
 curtain is that
 it virtually paints a black shadening (if that be a word,)
 over the screen.
 Think of it like this:  you have a pare of
 sunglasses.  Now, if you was to
 take those and paint black paint over their lenses, that's
 basically in a
 nutshell what you're doing with the screen curtain. 
 You're not really per
 sé making the screen power/brightness any less
 intense.  You're basically
 just drawing solid black highlight over the top of it,
 thus,
 nulling/blacking it out.
 
 If you really want to truely increase your battery life,
 your better bet
 would probably be to go into settings, and turn the screen
 brightness all
 the way down to 0%.  And no, doing that plus enabling
 the curtain really
 wouldn't probably have any ill effect, no, but I don't
 really think it would
 help matters either.  Now, that said, your screen
 brightness certainly would
 make a huge difference.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Bryan Jones" 
 To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone
 
 
 Yes, I’ve heard this anecdote from a number of different
 folks over the
 years. Unfortunately, AFAIK none of these folks have
 produced any hard
 evidence to show that turning the screen curtain on actually
 increases
 battery life. I’d love to see a controlled and replicable
 study to either
 prove or disprove the assertions of those of us including
 Apple who believe
 there’s no difference in battery life with or without
 screen curtain.
 
 Bryan
 
 On May 10, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Glenn 
 wrote:
 > I exclusively use the screen curtain, and the battery
 life on my phone
 > exceeds expectation.
 > I use the iPhone 5 with the latest update, and apps
 update automatically,
 > and my bluetooth and WIFI are always on.
 > Glenn
 > - Original Message - 
 > From: "Bryan Jones" 
 > To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
 > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:27 AM
 > Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone
 >
 >
 > Last I heard, the official word from Apple
 Accessibility was that the IOS
 > screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW,
 though I’ve done no
 > official testing, my personal experience leads me to
 believe this also
 > holds
 > true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.
 >
 > Bryan
 >
 > On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn 
 wrote:
 >> I would think that screen curtain being on would
 save more battery life,
 >> as
 >> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display
 processes are still
 >> being
 >> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on,
 I'm guessing that the
 >> processes are not calculated by the processor.
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Matthew Carello]

It is shift control option f11 to toggle screen curtain on and off.
On May 10, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

> how do I activate the Mac screen curtain
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 May 2014, at 15:27, Bryan Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS 
>> screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no 
>> official testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also holds 
>> true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>>> On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:
>>> I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life, as 
>>> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still 
>>> being 
>>> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the 
>>> processes are not calculated by the processor.
>>> Glenn
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Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: ScreencurtainoniPhone}

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wow, you learn something every day, dontcha!  That's one I didn't know 
about, admittedly.  You're right.  That does indeed work.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Collins" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: 
ScreencurtainoniPhone}



VO plus shift with f11 toggles the curtain on/off on this MBA -

Andy
On 10 May 2014, at 16:37, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


It's quite ok.  It happens to the best of us, and when you get a 
command/gesture that you don't do on a regular basis, it actually becomes 
easy to forget.


Here's one more tip I have for ya, actually.  Another thing you can do 
is... do you personally ever use keyboard commander?  If so, you actually 
can map your option key plus another key to toggle the curtain.  For 
example, I use my right option key as the keyboard commander modifier key, 
so for me, I've set right option key+R to enable/disable the curtain.  Why 
the letter R, I don't really know.  It just felt natural to me, so I kind 
a just went with it.  LOL!  :)


Anyway, if you want more specifics directions on how to set this up, let 
me know.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen 
curtainoniPhone}



Good point. Somehow I keep forgetting about the trackpad sitting right 
there under my thumbs. :)


Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Another way is to turn on trackpad commander, then 3 finger tripple tap 
on the trackpad.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:01 AM
Subject: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen 
curtain oniPhone}



Press VO+HH to get to the VoiceOver Commands help menu, then type screen 
curtain to narrow the results. At this point VO should announce the 
shortcut key VO+Shift+F11 and, if you’d like, you can press Return to 
toggle the screen curtain or press escape to exit the VO Commands Help 
menu.


HTH,
Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

how do I activate the Mac screen curtain


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Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtainoniPhone}

[Andy Collins]

VO plus shift with f11 toggles the curtain on/off on this MBA -

Andy
On 10 May 2014, at 16:37, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
wrote:

> It's quite ok.  It happens to the best of us, and when you get a 
> command/gesture that you don't do on a regular basis, it actually becomes 
> easy to forget.
> 
> Here's one more tip I have for ya, actually.  Another thing you can do is... 
> do you personally ever use keyboard commander?  If so, you actually can map 
> your option key plus another key to toggle the curtain.  For example, I use 
> my right option key as the keyboard commander modifier key, so for me, I've 
> set right option key+R to enable/disable the curtain.  Why the letter R, I 
> don't really know.  It just felt natural to me, so I kind a just went with 
> it.  LOL!  :)
> 
> Anyway, if you want more specifics directions on how to set this up, let me 
> know.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen 
> curtainoniPhone}
> 
> 
> Good point. Somehow I keep forgetting about the trackpad sitting right there 
> under my thumbs. :)
> 
> Bryan
> 
> On May 10, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Another way is to turn on trackpad commander, then 3 finger tripple tap on 
>> the trackpad.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:01 AM
>> Subject: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtain 
>> oniPhone}
>> 
>> 
>> Press VO+HH to get to the VoiceOver Commands help menu, then type screen 
>> curtain to narrow the results. At this point VO should announce the shortcut 
>> key VO+Shift+F11 and, if you’d like, you can press Return to toggle the 
>> screen curtain or press escape to exit the VO Commands Help menu.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Bryan
>> 
>> On May 10, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>  wrote:
>>> how do I activate the Mac screen curtain
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Glenn]

Chris,
I believe that the screen curtain turns off the back-light, thus making it 
black, like it is when there is no power to the phone.
There is no "black" in terms of pixels, there are colored pixels that get 
back-light, or no light behind them, thus causing blackness.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone


Bryan, I might be wrong on this, so please don't quote me here, but if I am
understanding things correctly, I don't think it saves battery life, and
here's why more specifically:

All that really happens notably when you enable the screen curtain is that
it virtually paints a black shadening (if that be a word,) over the screen.
Think of it like this:  you have a pare of sunglasses.  Now, if you was to
take those and paint black paint over their lenses, that's basically in a
nutshell what you're doing with the screen curtain.  You're not really per
sé making the screen power/brightness any less intense.  You're basically
just drawing solid black highlight over the top of it, thus,
nulling/blacking it out.

If you really want to truely increase your battery life, your better bet
would probably be to go into settings, and turn the screen brightness all
the way down to 0%.  And no, doing that plus enabling the curtain really
wouldn't probably have any ill effect, no, but I don't really think it would
help matters either.  Now, that said, your screen brightness certainly would
make a huge difference.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Jones" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone


Yes, I’ve heard this anecdote from a number of different folks over the
years. Unfortunately, AFAIK none of these folks have produced any hard
evidence to show that turning the screen curtain on actually increases
battery life. I’d love to see a controlled and replicable study to either
prove or disprove the assertions of those of us including Apple who believe
there’s no difference in battery life with or without screen curtain.

Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Glenn  wrote:
> I exclusively use the screen curtain, and the battery life on my phone
> exceeds expectation.
> I use the iPhone 5 with the latest update, and apps update automatically,
> and my bluetooth and WIFI are always on.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bryan Jones" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone
>
>
> Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS
> screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no
> official testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also
> holds
> true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.
>
> Bryan
>
> On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:
>> I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life,
>> as
>> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still
>> being
>> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the
>> processes are not calculated by the processor.
>> Glenn
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Glenn]

The thing about any testimonials is they are all subjective.  Someone else 
using the screen curtain exclusively may not get as good of battery life 
because of battery care, or the lack there of.
I drain my battery probably every other week and plug it in at bedtime.  I 
never, never unplug the phone unless it has charged to 100%.
I think that the only ones who can conclusively say which is better are the 
folks who are responsible for writing the IOS.
But it still seems logical to me that the screen curtain is more of a 
complete shut-off as apposed to a fade-out of the screen.
Glenn
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To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone


Yes, I’ve heard this anecdote from a number of different folks over the 
years. Unfortunately, AFAIK none of these folks have produced any hard 
evidence to show that turning the screen curtain on actually increases 
battery life. I’d love to see a controlled and replicable study to either 
prove or disprove the assertions of those of us including Apple who believe 
there’s no difference in battery life with or without screen curtain.

Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Glenn  wrote:
> I exclusively use the screen curtain, and the battery life on my phone
> exceeds expectation.
> I use the iPhone 5 with the latest update, and apps update automatically,
> and my bluetooth and WIFI are always on.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bryan Jones" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone
>
>
> Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS
> screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no
> official testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also 
> holds
> true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.
>
> Bryan
>
> On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:
>> I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life,
>> as
>> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still
>> being
>> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the
>> processes are not calculated by the processor.
>> Glenn
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Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtainoniPhone}

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It's quite ok.  It happens to the best of us, and when you get a 
command/gesture that you don't do on a regular basis, it actually becomes 
easy to forget.


Here's one more tip I have for ya, actually.  Another thing you can do is... 
do you personally ever use keyboard commander?  If so, you actually can map 
your option key plus another key to toggle the curtain.  For example, I use 
my right option key as the keyboard commander modifier key, so for me, I've 
set right option key+R to enable/disable the curtain.  Why the letter R, I 
don't really know.  It just felt natural to me, so I kind a just went with 
it.  LOL!  :)


Anyway, if you want more specifics directions on how to set this up, let me 
know.


Chris.

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To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen 
curtainoniPhone}



Good point. Somehow I keep forgetting about the trackpad sitting right there 
under my thumbs. :)


Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Another way is to turn on trackpad commander, then 3 finger tripple tap on 
the trackpad.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:01 AM
Subject: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtain 
oniPhone}



Press VO+HH to get to the VoiceOver Commands help menu, then type screen 
curtain to narrow the results. At this point VO should announce the 
shortcut key VO+Shift+F11 and, if you’d like, you can press Return to 
toggle the screen curtain or press escape to exit the VO Commands Help 
menu.


HTH,
Bryan

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how do I activate the Mac screen curtain


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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Bryan, I might be wrong on this, so please don't quote me here, but if I am 
understanding things correctly, I don't think it saves battery life, and 
here's why more specifically:


All that really happens notably when you enable the screen curtain is that 
it virtually paints a black shadening (if that be a word,) over the screen. 
Think of it like this:  you have a pare of sunglasses.  Now, if you was to 
take those and paint black paint over their lenses, that's basically in a 
nutshell what you're doing with the screen curtain.  You're not really per 
sé making the screen power/brightness any less intense.  You're basically 
just drawing solid black highlight over the top of it, thus, 
nulling/blacking it out.


If you really want to truely increase your battery life, your better bet 
would probably be to go into settings, and turn the screen brightness all 
the way down to 0%.  And no, doing that plus enabling the curtain really 
wouldn't probably have any ill effect, no, but I don't really think it would 
help matters either.  Now, that said, your screen brightness certainly would 
make a huge difference.


Chris.

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To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone


Yes, I’ve heard this anecdote from a number of different folks over the 
years. Unfortunately, AFAIK none of these folks have produced any hard 
evidence to show that turning the screen curtain on actually increases 
battery life. I’d love to see a controlled and replicable study to either 
prove or disprove the assertions of those of us including Apple who believe 
there’s no difference in battery life with or without screen curtain.


Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Glenn  wrote:

I exclusively use the screen curtain, and the battery life on my phone
exceeds expectation.
I use the iPhone 5 with the latest update, and apps update automatically,
and my bluetooth and WIFI are always on.
Glenn
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To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone


Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS
screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no
official testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also 
holds

true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.

Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:

I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life,
as
I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still
being
sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the
processes are not calculated by the processor.
Glenn

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Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtain oniPhone}

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Good point. Somehow I keep forgetting about the trackpad sitting right there 
under my thumbs. :)

Bryan

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 wrote:

> Another way is to turn on trackpad commander, then 3 finger tripple tap on 
> the trackpad.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:01 AM
> Subject: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtain 
> oniPhone}
> 
> 
> Press VO+HH to get to the VoiceOver Commands help menu, then type screen 
> curtain to narrow the results. At this point VO should announce the shortcut 
> key VO+Shift+F11 and, if you’d like, you can press Return to toggle the 
> screen curtain or press escape to exit the VO Commands Help menu.
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
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>> how do I activate the Mac screen curtain
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Bryan Jones]

Yes, I’ve heard this anecdote from a number of different folks over the years. 
Unfortunately, AFAIK none of these folks have produced any hard evidence to 
show that turning the screen curtain on actually increases battery life. I’d 
love to see a controlled and replicable study to either prove or disprove the 
assertions of those of us including Apple who believe there’s no difference in 
battery life with or without screen curtain.

Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Glenn  wrote:
> I exclusively use the screen curtain, and the battery life on my phone 
> exceeds expectation.
> I use the iPhone 5 with the latest update, and apps update automatically, 
> and my bluetooth and WIFI are always on.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bryan Jones" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone
> 
> 
> Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS 
> screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no 
> official testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also holds 
> true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:
>> I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life, 
>> as
>> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still 
>> being
>> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the
>> processes are not calculated by the processor.
>> Glenn
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Re: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtain oniPhone}

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Another way is to turn on trackpad commander, then 3 finger tripple tap on 
the trackpad.


Chris.

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To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:01 AM
Subject: How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtain 
oniPhone}



Press VO+HH to get to the VoiceOver Commands help menu, then type screen 
curtain to narrow the results. At this point VO should announce the shortcut 
key VO+Shift+F11 and, if you’d like, you can press Return to toggle the 
screen curtain or press escape to exit the VO Commands Help menu.


HTH,
Bryan

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how do I activate the Mac screen curtain


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How to activate the MacOS screen curtain {Was: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone}

[Bryan Jones]

Press VO+HH to get to the VoiceOver Commands help menu, then type screen 
curtain to narrow the results. At this point VO should announce the shortcut 
key VO+Shift+F11 and, if you’d like, you can press Return to toggle the screen 
curtain or press escape to exit the VO Commands Help menu.

HTH,
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> how do I activate the Mac screen curtain

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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

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I exclusively use the screen curtain, and the battery life on my phone 
exceeds expectation.
I use the iPhone 5 with the latest update, and apps update automatically, 
and my bluetooth and WIFI are always on.
Glenn
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To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Screen curtain on iPhone


Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS 
screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no 
official testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also holds 
true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.

Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:
> I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life, 
> as
> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still 
> being
> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the
> processes are not calculated by the processor.
> Glenn
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

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how do I activate the Mac screen curtain

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 May 2014, at 15:27, Bryan Jones  wrote:
> 
> Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS 
> screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no 
> official testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also holds 
> true for the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.
> 
> Bryan
> 
>> On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:
>> I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life, as 
>> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still being 
>> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the 
>> processes are not calculated by the processor.
>> Glenn
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Bryan Jones]

Last I heard, the official word from Apple Accessibility was that the IOS 
screen curtain has no effect on battery life. BTW, though I’ve done no official 
testing, my personal experience leads me to believe this also holds true for 
the MacOS screen curtain on Macbooks.

Bryan

On May 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Glenn  wrote:
> I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life, as 
> I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still being 
> sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the 
> processes are not calculated by the processor.
> Glenn
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

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I would think that screen curtain being on would save more battery life, as 
I'm sure that even when it is set to zero, display processes are still being 
sent to the screen, and when screen curtain is on, I'm guessing that the 
processes are not calculated by the processor.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Hopewell" 
To: "mac-access" 
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 4:48 AM
Subject: Screen curtain on iPhone


Hello,
I am concerned about battery life on my ageing iPhone 3GS running the latest 
level of IOS 6 (IOS 7 does not work on the 3GS).
I know that reducing screen brightness increases battery life. If I set 
screen curtain on does that have the same effect as setting screen 
brightness to 0? If I set brightness to say 40% and normally run with screen 
curtain on I can easily toggle screen curtain off to show the phone content 
to a sighted person. However if normally setting screen curtain on in this 
scenario does not improve battery life then there is no point in doing this. 
Instead I would have to run with screen brightness normally set to 0 and to 
remember to temporarily increase screen brightness to show the phone to a 
sighted person.
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

[Chris Apple boy]

I would put the screen brightness to 0 then adjust it where necessary. 
Screen curtain only puts a virtual curtain around your screen and 
doesn't affect how it contrasts.


On 10/05/2014 10:48, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello,
I am concerned about battery life on my ageing iPhone 3GS running the latest 
level of IOS 6 (IOS 7 does not work on the 3GS).
I know that reducing screen brightness increases battery life. If I set screen 
curtain on does that have the same effect as setting screen brightness to 0? If 
I set brightness to say 40% and normally run with screen curtain on I can 
easily toggle screen curtain off to show the phone content to a sighted person. 
However if normally setting screen curtain on in this scenario does not improve 
battery life then there is no point in doing this. Instead I would have to run 
with screen brightness normally set to 0 and to remember to temporarily 
increase screen brightness to show the phone to a sighted person.
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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Screen curtain on iPhone

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am concerned about battery life on my ageing iPhone 3GS running the latest 
level of IOS 6 (IOS 7 does not work on the 3GS). 
I know that reducing screen brightness increases battery life. If I set screen 
curtain on does that have the same effect as setting screen brightness to 0? If 
I set brightness to say 40% and normally run with screen curtain on I can 
easily toggle screen curtain off to show the phone content to a sighted person. 
However if normally setting screen curtain on in this scenario does not improve 
battery life then there is no point in doing this. Instead I would have to run 
with screen brightness normally set to 0 and to remember to temporarily 
increase screen brightness to show the phone to a sighted person. 
Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell
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Re: curtain

[Danny Noonan]

If things aren't working with the trackpad commander, I'll do a vo right roter 
as even if it's still on, I'll get a verbal comfimation. What still catches me 
at times is when I have to have it turned off when rowting  the VO curser or 
something. I'll wonder why the VO shift f5 etc isn't working. 

Glad you sorted it out.

Danny:

On 09/01/2013, at 6:44 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:

> ah thanks it is back.
> Wonder how it got turned off.
> Lovette
> 
> On 2013-01-07, at 9:47 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:
> 
>> Have you made sure track pad commander is both still checked in commanders 
>> in voiceover utility and that its turned on with vo right/clockwise roter 
>> gesture? An easy way to test is to try another vo gesture like 2 finger 
>> double tap on left side of touchpad to open I think app chooser but any vo 
>> gesture will work.  
>> 
>> Danny. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my phone
>> 
>> On 08/01/2013, at 4:36 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes that is what is not working any more.
>>> Lovette
>>> 
>>> On 2013-01-07, at 8:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's actually a triple tap with 3 fingers in track pad mode. 
>>>> 
>>>> good luck.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there I can turn it off with shiftVO f11 but cannot do it iwth double 
>>>>> tap on the front pannel any more.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-01-07, at 2:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tha'ts odd. Can yyou activate keyboard help? The reason I ask this is 
>>>>>> because when my keyboard started to die  I did the same thing and I 
>>>>>> could not access keyboard help. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does your control key work and can you try again with a different 
>>>>>> keyboard?
>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on 
>>>>>>>> and off? if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that 
>>>>>>>> Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys is checked.
>>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>>>>> I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain 
>>>>>>>>> will not work any ideas?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> Lovette
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Re: curtain

[Lovette Yewchan]

ah thanks it is back.
Wonder how it got turned off.
Lovette

On 2013-01-07, at 9:47 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:

> Have you made sure track pad commander is both still checked in commanders in 
> voiceover utility and that its turned on with vo right/clockwise roter 
> gesture? An easy way to test is to try another vo gesture like 2 finger 
> double tap on left side of touchpad to open I think app chooser but any vo 
> gesture will work.  
> 
> Danny. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my phone
> 
> On 08/01/2013, at 4:36 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
> 
>> Yes that is what is not working any more.
>> Lovette
>> 
>> On 2013-01-07, at 8:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> It's actually a triple tap with 3 fingers in track pad mode. 
>>> 
>>> good luck.
>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi there I can turn it off with shiftVO f11 but cannot do it iwth double 
>>>> tap on the front pannel any more.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-01-07, at 2:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Tha'ts odd. Can yyou activate keyboard help? The reason I ask this is 
>>>>> because when my keyboard started to die  I did the same thing and I could 
>>>>> not access keyboard help. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does your control key work and can you try again with a different 
>>>>> keyboard?
>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and 
>>>>>>> off? if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use 
>>>>>>> all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys is checked.
>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>>>> I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain will 
>>>>>>>> not work any ideas?
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> Lovette
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Re: curtain

[Danny Noonan]

Have you made sure track pad commander is both still checked in commanders in 
voiceover utility and that its turned on with vo right/clockwise roter gesture? 
An easy way to test is to try another vo gesture like 2 finger double tap on 
left side of touchpad to open I think app chooser but any vo gesture will work. 
 

Danny. 



Sent from my phone

On 08/01/2013, at 4:36 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:

> Yes that is what is not working any more.
> Lovette
> 
> On 2013-01-07, at 8:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> 
>> It's actually a triple tap with 3 fingers in track pad mode. 
>> 
>> good luck.
>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there I can turn it off with shiftVO f11 but cannot do it iwth double 
>>> tap on the front pannel any more.
>>> 
>>> On 2013-01-07, at 2:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tha'ts odd. Can yyou activate keyboard help? The reason I ask this is 
>>>> because when my keyboard started to die  I did the same thing and I could 
>>>> not access keyboard help. 
>>>> 
>>>> Does your control key work and can you try again with a different keyboard?
>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and 
>>>>>> off? if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use 
>>>>>> all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys is checked.
>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>>> I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain will 
>>>>>>> not work any ideas?
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Lovette
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Re: curtain

[Lovette Yewchan]

Yes that is what is not working any more.
Lovette

On 2013-01-07, at 8:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> It's actually a triple tap with 3 fingers in track pad mode. 
> 
> good luck.
> On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there I can turn it off with shiftVO f11 but cannot do it iwth double tap 
>> on the front pannel any more.
>> 
>> On 2013-01-07, at 2:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Tha'ts odd. Can yyou activate keyboard help? The reason I ask this is 
>>> because when my keyboard started to die  I did the same thing and I could 
>>> not access keyboard help. 
>>> 
>>> Does your control key work and can you try again with a different keyboard?
>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and 
>>>>> off? if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use all 
>>>>> F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys is checked.
>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>> I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain will 
>>>>>> not work any ideas?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Lovette
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Re: curtain

[Sarah k Alawami]

It's actually a triple tap with 3 fingers in track pad mode. 

good luck.
On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:

> Hi there I can turn it off with shiftVO f11 but cannot do it iwth double tap 
> on the front pannel any more.
> 
> On 2013-01-07, at 2:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Tha'ts odd. Can yyou activate keyboard help? The reason I ask this is 
>> because when my keyboard started to die  I did the same thing and I could 
>> not access keyboard help. 
>> 
>> Does your control key work and can you try again with a different keyboard?
>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.
>>> 
>>> On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and 
>>>> off? if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use all 
>>>> F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys is checked.
>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>> I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain will 
>>>>> not work any ideas?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Lovette
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Re: curtain

[Lovette Yewchan]

Hi there I can turn it off with shiftVO f11 but cannot do it iwth double tap on 
the front pannel any more.

On 2013-01-07, at 2:12 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> Tha'ts odd. Can yyou activate keyboard help? The reason I ask this is because 
> when my keyboard started to die  I did the same thing and I could not access 
> keyboard help. 
> 
> Does your control key work and can you try again with a different keyboard?
> On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
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>> Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.
>> 
>> On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
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>>> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and 
>>> off? if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use all 
>>> F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys is checked.
>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
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>>>> I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain will not 
>>>> work any ideas?
>>>> Thanks.
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Re: curtain

[Sarah k Alawami]

Tha'ts odd. Can yyou activate keyboard help? The reason I ask this is because 
when my keyboard started to die  I did the same thing and I could not access 
keyboard help. 

Does your control key work and can you try again with a different keyboard?
On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:

> Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.
> 
> On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> 
>> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and off? 
>> if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use all F1, F2, 
>> etc. keys as standard function keys is checked.
>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
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>>> Hi there.
>>> I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain will not 
>>> work any ideas?
>>> Thanks.
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Re: curtain

[Lovette Yewchan]

Nothing happens with the key strokes and f1 etc. is on.

On 2013-01-07, at 11:41 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and off? 
> if not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use all F1, F2, 
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> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
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>> work any ideas?
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Re: curtain

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What happens if you hit  vo shift 11, do you hear screen curtain on and off? if 
not go to system prefs and to keyboard and make sure that Use all F1, F2, etc. 
keys as standard function keys is checked.
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curtain

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Hi there.
I am running a mac with voice over and all of a sudden my curtain will not work 
any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: Screen Curtain

[Sarah Alawami]

lol. Yeah I do every time my sis needs my phone or one of our family friends 
needs to borrow mine. it's quick and almost painless. lol!

Take care and be blessed.
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> iPhone without having to listen to all that stuff as she's very quick at 
> navigating.  I should probably just triple clicked the home button and turn 
> off VoiceOver in future.
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Re: Screen Curtain

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Hi

I think I must have had a mental blackout there or something.  Yeah, that's 
what was wrong.  We turned off speech yesterday so that Lynne could use the 
iPhone without having to listen to all that stuff as she's very quick at 
navigating.  I should probably just triple clicked the home button and turn off 
VoiceOver in future.

Thanks.

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Ah gordon you have the screen curtain turned on, just 3 finger treble tap
the screen and all will be back to normall

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Re: Screen Curtain Turned on by accident; I turn it off by?

[André Nuno Soares]

Hello,

Just for completion sake, you can also do VO Shift F11, to toggle Screen 
Curtain on or off.


HTH,
André

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Thank you Chris

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